Lucio Switch Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Stunning model! The aesthetic is very well made! Instantly recognizable! Even technically, it's very well made! Great MOC!! Quote
Francisco Hartley Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Hi everyone: I generally don't comment on this website, but after seeing this moc, I felt compelled to. Personally, I think that not only is this a masterpiece, but it settles a new bar for the "large scale technic supercar community" Esthetics and functions meet at the same level of perfection. This is even more impressive considering the intricate functions of the Koenisgsegg. This model is absolutely superb on every possible way and sets a new standard for us all, making this a benchmark MOC........IMHO. Can't wait fore the video. !!!! Congrats !!!!! http://www.moc-pages.../home.php/74438 Quote
nerdsforprez Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Just a joy to look at and study. Models like this will grab others by the bootstraps and elevate the mocing game for a long time to come. Great job. Quote
Paul Boratko Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 @Meatman: on Crowkiller's hotrod there is a simple push rod mechanism, with linear movement. Pvdb achieved a more sofisticated mechanism, where 3 directional movement happens in the same time. It is better to see in the WIP topic, and hopefully in a video soon. While not as sophisticated as Pvdb's mechanism here, mine actually has 2 directional movements at the same time.. When the door pivots forward, a tan bevel gear rolls along the turntable changing the door's forward position.. By the way, the Koenigsegg turned out great...! :thumbup: Quote
agrof Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 OFF: Aham, I didn't notice that tan bevel gear, and what it does... my appologies! It also wasn't meant as degradation of Your great model Paul, hope it is clear. ON. Quote
Paul Boratko Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 OFF: Aham, I didn't notice that tan bevel gear, and what it does... my appologies! It also wasn't meant as degradation of Your great model Paul, hope it is clear. ON. Is no problem.. Many people didn't see or quite understand what was happening here becasue it was in one smooth motion.. Quote
Madoca 1977 Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Truly masterpiece! :wub: This is better than 42056 Porsche. A great achievement in Technic history! Quote
BusterHaus Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Excellent MOC! The lines are very well done. I especially like the hood and the fact that the rear lid opens up the same way as the real car. Bravo. Quote
brunojj1 Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Yesterday I´ve spent a couple of hours to rebuild this delicious piece of Technic design. I built the rear part with the gearbox to understand how it works, first not as shown here, but with the new driving rings and clutch gears. Side note: If somebody else is about to rebuild it, on the picture one 16 th gear is missing – the connection between the left side behind the black 12 teeth to the upper gears where the fake engine has to be attached. After adding the front part with the switching mechanism (including a tight rubber band which is not shown here) and the shifting levers, I soon realized it wouldn´t work at all. The main problem was the high friction on the 3L joiners and the new driving rings. To make them move more smoothly I did something “illegal” – I pressed the white joiners through the driving rings the false way, took them out and after this painful procedure they moved easier (nothing destroyed yet). But still the switch function didn´t operate well. The 2 red bionicle teeth went off again and again due to high pressure. Changing the driving rings finally did the job: the old driving rings in combination with the old clutch gears and smooth 2L axle joiners instead of the ribbed ones are the best and safest way to make this mechanism work. By the way: the new Porsche from TLC might include something very different and foolproof mechanism behind the "shifting pedals" to make the switching work with the newer driving rings. All in all it is very enjoyable and fun to play with when everything is in place as designed by Paul and really inspiring to me. Big applause again and thanks for sharing! Edited February 11, 2016 by brunojj1 Quote
Lipko Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Yes, that was my experience too: too much force is required to operate the new driving rings both during engaging and disengaging. An due to the nature of the crank mechanism, this often resulted in both driving rings being engaged. I didn't dare to use the old rings with smooth connectors, because the consensus (as far as I know) is that this technique is not really legal. Maybe I was wrong, but I dumped the whole project because of that... Quote
Pvdb Posted February 11, 2016 Author Posted February 11, 2016 Thanks for all of the comments guys. It means a lot especially when coming from other great MOC builders. When building this gearbox and after experimenting a bit with the older driving rings (red) and smooth connectors I discovered that it matters which way the connector is orientated through the driving ring. If you look closely at the connectors you will see two flat edges and two more rounded edges. If the connector is placed into the driving ring with the flat edges lined up with the small driving ring catches, then this enables smooth movement and without the slight deformation of the catch on the driving ring which does occur if you line up the slightly rounded edges with the catches (and which I guess could constitute an “illegal” use of the part) The smoother the movement of the driving rings, the better the gearbox works. All built into the model, the gear change is very reliable. Quote
Kumbbl Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Have i already said that this car is incredible... indeed, seems to be the new benachmark for lego supercars, kudos to you, Pvdb! BTW: would pay almost every prize for building instructions of this marvel and beauty...... ;-) Quote
Appie Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Everything's already been said, so let's just say this: Grats on the HOF! Quote
Lox Lego Posted February 13, 2016 Posted February 13, 2016 Have i already said that this car is incredible... indeed, seems to be the new benachmark for lego supercars, kudos to you, Pvdb! BTW: would pay almost every prize for building instructions of this marvel and beauty...... ;-) Agreed! Would love to see how this was put together. It seems no piece was out of place, each one well thought out for function and Aesthetics Quote
yoyo08190 Posted February 13, 2016 Posted February 13, 2016 hello , your car is really great. have immediately recognize in relation to the real . will make you record ? Quote
Pvdb Posted February 17, 2016 Author Posted February 17, 2016 For those who have asked, The CAD is coming on slowly but surely. Thanks to Brunojj1 I may have a collaboration to help make proper instructions. Quote
deehtha Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Yes, that was my experience too: too much force is required to operate the new driving rings both during engaging and disengaging. An due to the nature of the crank mechanism, this often resulted in both driving rings being engaged. I didn't dare to use the old rings with smooth connectors, because the consensus (as far as I know) is that this technique is not really legal. Maybe I was wrong, but I dumped the whole project because of that... Other than never being done by TLG, I don't see why using the smooth connectors with the old driving rings would be anymore illegal than using partially compressed shocks to keep a bogie type suspension level. Beautiful model. your transmission is brilliant. Quote
Paul Boratko Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Other than never being done by TLG, I don't see why using the smooth connectors with the old driving rings would be anymore illegal than using partially compressed shocks to keep a bogie type suspension level. Beautiful model. your transmission is brilliant. There are little clips in the driving ring that constantly have pressure pushing them outwards when the new style axle joiners are slid through them.. Quote
MacKaiwer Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Marvelous This goes straight to top ten all time technic super cars, maybe even higher...It is on level or exceed my favourites aka Predator, X19 and Mistress... I think those looks are near to original car and that's not easy to receive with lego car Gear changing and door mechanisms are just superb, I think I like it a lot, very very well done, cool! Quote
Pvdb Posted February 18, 2016 Author Posted February 18, 2016 There are little clips in the driving ring that constantly have pressure pushing them outwards when the new style axle joiners are slid through them.. That depends how you slide them through. The smooth joiners have two opposing rounded off edges and two opposing flat edges. If the flat edges are lined up with the catches then there is no pressure on them. Quote
Blakbird Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 That depends how you slide them through. The smooth joiners have two opposing rounded off edges and two opposing flat edges. If the flat edges are lined up with the catches then there is no pressure on them. There is still some interference on the flat edges, just not as much. I think the notion that allowing any sustained interference in a LEGO part is "illegal" is silly. Interference is what holds every stud to every mating part and what holds every friction pin into its hole. Virtually all of LEGO construction relies on sustained assembly stress to stay together. There is nothing wrong with using a driving ring on a smooth axle connector. Quote
Paul Boratko Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) That depends how you slide them through. The smooth joiners have two opposing rounded off edges and two opposing flat edges. If the flat edges are lined up with the catches then there is no pressure on them. Yes, I was fully aware of that, but there is still just a tiny bit of pressure... There is nothing wrong with using a driving ring on a smooth axle connector. I agree.. The interference is very very minimal.. Some connectors I've experimented with over the years slid through more easily than others.. Lego most likely never used this technique purely based on the fact that when kids play with the toys and engage the driving rings, they want to make sure that they stayed engaged and didn't slip out, so they used the older style ones with the bumps.. Edited February 18, 2016 by Paul Boratko Quote
brunojj1 Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) I think the notion that allowing any sustained interference in a LEGO part is "illegal" is silly. Interference is what holds every stud to every mating part and what holds every friction pin into its hole. Virtually all of LEGO construction relies on sustained assembly stress to stay together. There is nothing wrong with using a driving ring on a smooth axle connector. I´m glad you´ve said this. For me personally such "illegal" issues don´t exist at all. If a part works for me, it´s fine, the better if I discover a new way to use parts and nobody had "invented" it yet before. In this gearbox where the shifted gears are kind of locked by the mechanism, the smooth connectors work perfectly. Besides this I remember somebody complaining that the use of rubber bands for the switch mechanism is also "illegal". Now the new Porsche seems to use rubberbads too for this purpose. (EDIT: the use of smooth connectors instead of the ribbed ones has been "invented" a very long time ago) Edited February 18, 2016 by brunojj1 Quote
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