fhomess Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 What on earth? I tracked Daniel again last night after he sent me a bunch of PM's asking for more detail about the various night claims. He was particularly interested in Jasper's claim and lo and behold he ended up targeting Jasper last night. This investigation business is complete nonsense. Jasper, I presume you ended up watching one of us to see who targeted us?
Dragonfire Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Sorry, haven't got any time to reply/reread and very busy. Hope to be back before the day ends, but just in case, Vote: David Leffel (fhomess).
Tariq j Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Good that we've caught a scum: Vote: David Leffel (fhomess).
Piratedave84 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Everyone with power roles really should start thinking with their brains and be more strategic about who they tell about their roles, and how.... While conversation helps, the goal is to get the Scum to mess up so we can figure out who they are... not the other way around. With that said, I am glad we have a lead. Vote: David Leffel I agree that holding off was probably smart to offer a chance for conversation and not just bandwagoning, but now we will see how the rest of the day and night play out now... My suspicion was peaked a little by James Cunningham's (Bob's) recent posts. It seemed to me like he tried hard to provide analysis (with out really providing anything of much significance - from what I saw) and also tried hard to tie himself to successful Scum killings (while also giving himself the cover of plausibility by highlighting some mistakes). It just read weird to me and I will continue to assess... Just to ensure proper formatting.... Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) You're alive!!! We can safely assume this wilL be your only contribution today, right?? What on earth? I tracked Daniel again last night after he sent me a bunch of PM's asking for more detail about the various night claims. He was particularly interested in Jasper's claim and lo and behold he ended up targeting Jasper last night. This investigation business is complete nonsense. Jasper, I presume you ended up watching one of us to see who targeted us? I was blocked last night ... from watching you .... how convenient When you told him about this, how did he reply??
mostlytechnic Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 My apologies Mr Fury, I started the voting too soon. Got all excited by catching a blasted Hydra... Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) David, you're flat lying when you say you tracked me last night and saw me target Jasper. Alas, I am not permitted to quote my PM from Mr. Fury, but I assure everyone it says that David is Hydra. And that will be proven in the morning when we get the results from your lynch. Nice try, flailing like that though. Now, did you already know that Jasper was blocked when you picked him as my supposed target? For the record, Jasper told me he had been blocked about 6 hours after the day began - just a few minutes after I made the large post at the start of the day in fact. And funny thing - David was one of the people I sent the info to during the night, and he hasn't responded to a single one of my messages since. He knew I was investigating him and he was busted, so he's ignored me. He certainly didn't tell me this story that I checked someone else in private before posting it here, probably because he was discussing with his scumbuddies who to claim I was seen visiting.
mostlytechnic Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 As for suspects, there was one person blocked the night of a probable no-kill for scum. That would be Jeffrey, and so far nobody has had him answer for that as far as I can tell. Oh, I haven't forgotten that. We have a good lynch today, and we can look at Jeffrey tomorrow. Nothing wrong with discussing now though. Why are you SO convinced that night 1 had no scum kill? A smart vig would have stayed home (assuming we have one, and I'm not wanting to assume ANYTHING at the moment), the scum can kill anyone they want, and we don't know that there's a SK. In fact, it's definitely possible that there's no SK given the size of the group. Jeffrey, if you have anything to add, please do. Bigger picture, If there is a vig or SK, then we're missing a kill each night. And last night wasn't a scum kill, so there definitely is either a vig or SK (or both, but I'm doubting that frankly). Last night we know that Jasper was blocked and I'm confident that he's not the scum killer. So that means the scum were prevented by some other means, so there's a protector as well then. Quite possible that the protector is why we didn't see a scum kill last night. The simplest explanation is that night 1 was a scum kill and night 2 was a vig or SK and the scum target was protected.
Umbra-Manis Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Ok, voting is open! Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) What on earth? I tracked Daniel again last night after he sent me a bunch of PM's asking for more detail about the various night claims. He was particularly interested in Jasper's claim and lo and behold he ended up targeting Jasper last night. This investigation business is complete nonsense. Jasper, I presume you ended up watching one of us to see who targeted us? Ah, the I know nothing about what's going on claim.
Lady K Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 What on earth? I tracked Daniel again last night after he sent me a bunch of PM's asking for more detail about the various night claims. He was particularly interested in Jasper's claim and lo and behold he ended up targeting Jasper last night. This investigation business is complete nonsense. Jasper, I presume you ended up watching one of us to see who targeted us? Did you really now? Or are you trying to sow the seeds of mistrust in the town block? Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) Sorry, haven't got any time to reply/reread and very busy. Hope to be back before the day ends, but just in case, Vote: David Leffel (fhomess). Yes, please do as you haven't addressed the concerns about you yet.
fhomess Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Daniel, I didn't reply to the additional PM's because I haven't been around, and there was no point in telling you in private first after I saw what was stated publicly. You know that very well. Jasper, if you're implying that I could've known you were going to watch me and that I could've relayed that to some scum teammates I don't have, then you're not thinking about it logically. Unless you told someone you were going to target me, then no one could've known. If you were indeed blocked by the scum, then I'm sure they picked you because you told everyone your role and they figured you were dangerous. Robert and Margaret, you're both just seeing what you want to see in this. I don't blame you... investigation results are always tested. I get that. It's just been completely fabricated this time around. Since you're clearly lying. Vote: Daneil Bartell (mostlytechnic)
JackJonespaw Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Good work on everybody. Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) All I can think to say is, if you have not claimed to either Daniel or Jasper, get it done. We are not looking too bad now.
Piratedave84 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Sorry, haven't got any time to reply/reread and very busy. Hope to be back before the day ends, but just in case, Vote: David Leffel (fhomess). Don't forget to come back and address our concerns ... after you consulted your team, obviously. My apologies Mr Fury, I started the voting too soon. Got all excited by catching a blasted Hydra... Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) David, you're flat lying when you say you tracked me last night and saw me target Jasper. Alas, I am not permitted to quote my PM from Mr. Fury, but I assure everyone it says that David is Hydra. And that will be proven in the morning when we get the results from your lynch. Nice try, flailing like that though. Now, did you already know that Jasper was blocked when you picked him as my supposed target? For the record, Jasper told me he had been blocked about 6 hours after the day began - just a few minutes after I made the large post at the start of the day in fact. And funny thing - David was one of the people I sent the info to during the night, and he hasn't responded to a single one of my messages since. He knew I was investigating him and he was busted, so he's ignored me. He certainly didn't tell me this story that I checked someone else in private before posting it here, probably because he was discussing with his scumbuddies who to claim I was seen visiting. Wait ... He knew you were investigating him ... and you weren't blocked ... that can't be possible. unles I was blocked by the town blocker ... which I was not ... soooooo .... Jasper, if you're implying that I could've known you were going to watch me and that I could've relayed that to some scum teammates I don't have, then you're not thinking about it logically. Unless you told someone you were going to target me, then no one could've known. If you were indeed blocked by the scum, then I'm sure they picked you because you told everyone your role and they figured you were dangerous. I did not tell anyone of my intentions, which makes my above comment even weirder Then again ... I don't think a scummo would be enclined to pull a gambit at this point .. realisticly speaking, Daniel will for sure 100% be lynched and then the other tracker as well if you turn up town ... so it's not likely IMO. Occam's Razor Vote: David Leffel (fhomess)
Bob Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Unvote: Dick Fury (Host) Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) Let's try this again, after I was denied earlier today.
Dragonfire Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 A thought: So far we all assumed that Jeffrey was saved by a block and given a pineapple .... Right? Now what if HE was the one being blocked? Discuss! How would I have been saved by a block? And no, I'm not sure whether the pineapple was a joke or a sign of me being blocked. Pineapples don't exactly scream "blocker!" to me.... I'm not scum. I don't think you are either, but it's a really empty accusation. I have been doing what I can to help and even called out the scumminess of one dead scum before it was reveled he was dead scum, though that was in PM not thread. As for suspects, there was one person blocked the night of a probable no-kill for scum. That would be Jeffrey, and so far nobody has had him answer for that as far as I can tell. You're very quick to accuse, aren't you? What do you mean, answer for it? What on earth? I tracked Daniel again last night after he sent me a bunch of PM's asking for more detail about the various night claims. He was particularly interested in Jasper's claim and lo and behold he ended up targeting Jasper last night. This investigation business is complete nonsense. Jasper, I presume you ended up watching one of us to see who targeted us? Either you or Daniel is lying here. I see no reason for Daniel to be lying, seeing as he'd just get lynched instantly tomorrow if he was. Besides, we almost certainly have an investigator, so unless Kinjobby was the investigator and the scum somehow knew that and killed him for it (Steven claimed vanilla so it couldn't have been him), then we've had no counterclaim, so Daniel is telling the truth. You're not fooling me.
fhomess Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Then again ... I don't think a scummo would be enclined to pull a gambit at this point .. realisticly speaking, Daniel will for sure 100% be lynched and then the other tracker as well if you turn up town ... so it's not likely IMO. A gambit is pulled only when needed. Timing becomes adjustable when you are already in the thick of things on night 1. Either you or Daniel is lying here. I see no reason for Daniel to be lying, seeing as he'd just get lynched instantly tomorrow if he was. Besides, we almost certainly have an investigator, so unless Kinjobby was the investigator and the scum somehow knew that and killed him for it (Steven claimed vanilla so it couldn't have been him), then we've had no counterclaim, so Daniel is telling the truth. You're not fooling me. Based on what I know, I don't think we have a traditional investigator. They certainly would've counterclaimed by now, most likely through someone they've cleared. The scum, having found a tracker and a watcher could have extrapolated in a group this size that there may not be one and it would be a safe risk to take. Particularly if they don't have a godfather and already knew the other roles.
mostlytechnic Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Wait ... He knew you were investigating him ... and you weren't blocked ... that can't be possible. He knew he was being investigated when I sent the info out just a couple hours before the start of the day - so AFTER any night actions would have been in. That's why I dind't send that info out (to several people) until the last minute before I went to bed, to make sure that the scum couldn't act on it. I meant he knew at the start of the day I had sent in an investigation on him, so as long as that succeeded, he was busted.
Dragonfire Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 A gambit is pulled only when needed. Timing becomes adjustable when you are already in the thick of things on night 1. I highly doubt that Daniel, if scum, would sacrifice two, possibly three scum for the price of one town PR. Based on what I know, I don't think we have a traditional investigator. They certainly would've counterclaimed by now, most likely through someone they've cleared. The scum, having found a tracker and a watcher could have extrapolated in a group this size that there may not be one and it would be a safe risk to take. Particularly if they don't have a godfather and already knew the other roles. No investigator = extremely unlikely. I have to give you credit for putting up a defense - usually when a scum is investigated, they just give up. So nice try. He knew he was being investigated when I sent the info out just a couple hours before the start of the day - so AFTER any night actions would have been in. That's why I dind't send that info out (to several people) until the last minute before I went to bed, to make sure that the scum couldn't act on it. I meant he knew at the start of the day I had sent in an investigation on him, so as long as that succeeded, he was busted. Why did you send him the information if you thought he was scum? Was it because you were afraid that Jafar and Todd were scum and they would kill you, causing you to take the information to your grave?
mostlytechnic Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Based on what I know, I don't think we have a traditional investigator. They certainly would've counterclaimed by now, most likely through someone they've cleared. The scum, having found a tracker and a watcher could have extrapolated in a group this size that there may not be one and it would be a safe risk to take. Particularly if they don't have a godfather and already knew the other roles. Wow, that's a load of crap. When has there ever been a game here with no normal investigator? I don't remember any (doesn't mean there haven't been, but I sure can't recall one). Take the Kingdoms adventure that I was reading recently - fewer people than here, with just an investigator and blocker, but that was with 3 (split up) scum and an independent survivor. I'm guessing 3 or 4 united scum here, so a little more investigative ability makes sense. No investigator would be brutal on the town - sure, watcher and tracker are interesting, but they don't give you any real info towards alignment until you start to combine their results with other info. The town almost HAS to have an investigator to start getting a few people together that trust each other. Why did you send him the information if you thought he was scum? Was it because you were afraid that Jafar and Todd were scum and they would kill you, causing you to take the information to your grave? Correct - I was concerned that Jafar could be a godfather, and so sharing it with just "that side" of the conflicting claims risked my death taking all the knowledge down with me. David had actual tracker results on me, whereas Jafar/David could have faked their claims easier. But since I wasn't sure which side I could trust, I held the info until it was hopefully too late for the scum to change their night actions based on it.
fhomess Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 I highly doubt that Daniel, if scum, would sacrifice two, possibly three scum for the price of one town PR. I think it was a few lies built on each other. It was never intended for it to go this deep and it wasn't until it became clear that investigator was a relatively safe gambit that he actually claimed it. Why did you send him the information if you thought he was scum? Was it because you were afraid that Jafar and Todd were scum and they would kill you, causing you to take the information to your grave? Exactly. This doesn't make any sense. I would bet that if Daniel and Jafar are scum, that Todd is not. That's why Daniel has concocted this. Todd knew too much already so they had to start making claims and Jafar had already committed on the tracker claim. No investigator would be brutal on the town - sure, watcher and tracker are interesting, but they don't give you any real info towards alignment until you start to combine their results with other info. The town almost HAS to have an investigator to start getting a few people together that trust each other. This is nonsense. Town can very easily start to clear people without a true investigator based on actions, claims, and counterclaims... and of course, based on seeing people's alignment after they die. For evidence of this, all you need to look at are games where investigators died early. It's not hard. Correct - I was concerned that Jafar could be a godfather, and so sharing it with just "that side" of the conflicting claims risked my death taking all the knowledge down with me. David had actual tracker results on me, whereas Jafar/David could have faked their claims easier. But since I wasn't sure which side I could trust, I held the info until it was hopefully too late for the scum to change their night actions based on it. No... revealing investigator to the person you're going to investigate based on a potential godfather who claimed tracker isn't a sound approach. It's covering your rear.
mostlytechnic Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 No... revealing investigator to the person you're going to investigate based on a potential godfather who claimed tracker isn't a sound approach. It's covering your rear. But that's not what I did (and like Jeffrey, kudos on fighting on even when you're a sure lynch and will be outed tomorrow, and you'd make a great politician with how you twisted reality and selectively mentioned just certain parts to "prove" your point...). I revealed to you only very slightly before revealing to EVERYONE, on the chance that I was wrong. If I'd been wrong and not revealed to you, then the town would have been left in massive chaos since the conflicting claims would not have been explained and people wouldn't have know who I was investigating each night. Normally I wouldn't out the investigator on day 3, but in this case, it was worth it since I knew that a scum would get caught whether I lived or died and a good chance more than one as the claims were sorted through.
Dragonfire Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Wow, that's a load of crap. When has there ever been a game here with no normal investigator? I don't remember any (doesn't mean there haven't been, but I sure can't recall one). Take the Kingdoms adventure that I was reading recently - fewer people than here, with just an investigator and blocker, but that was with 3 (split up) scum and an independent survivor. I'm guessing 3 or 4 united scum here, so a little more investigative ability makes sense. Just fyi, Kingdoms had a vengeful vig on the town's side too. But I've never seen a game without an investigator, so it wouldn't make sense for there not to be one. I think it was a few lies built on each other. It was never intended for it to go this deep and it wasn't until it became clear that investigator was a relatively safe gambit that he actually claimed it. You're convincing no-one. and you'd make a great politician with how you twisted reality and selectively mentioned just certain parts to "prove" your point...)
CMP Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) So, am I to understand Jasper was blocked last night?
Dragonfire Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Vote: David Leffel (fhomess) So, am I to understand Jasper was blocked last night? He was blocked, but I'm not sure whether it was by Todd or by a potential scum blocker.
Darkdragon Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Why are you SO convinced that night 1 had no scum kill? A smart vig would have stayed home (assuming we have one, and I'm not wanting to assume ANYTHING at the moment), the scum can kill anyone they want, and we don't know that there's a SK. In fact, it's definitely possible that there's no SK given the size of the group. As I've already stated before, it's because of what Eugene said at the start of Day 1.
fhomess Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 But that's not what I did (and like Jeffrey, kudos on fighting on even when you're a sure lynch and will be outed tomorrow, and you'd make a great politician with how you twisted reality and selectively mentioned just certain parts to "prove" your point...). I revealed to you only very slightly before revealing to EVERYONE, on the chance that I was wrong. If I'd been wrong and not revealed to you, then the town would have been left in massive chaos since the conflicting claims would not have been explained and people wouldn't have know who I was investigating each night. Normally I wouldn't out the investigator on day 3, but in this case, it was worth it since I knew that a scum would get caught whether I lived or died and a good chance more than one as the claims were sorted through. It's exactly what you did. You claimed investigator to the person you were investigating during the night. That's exactly what you did. It's not a sound approach even if you did it after the night action deadline. Let's say that you really are town, which you're not, then even if the scum had killed you and your role had not been made public, the scum would've known it. They could focus on other town PR's from that point on. Where are the more than one scum? Yourself and Jafar, you mean? I don't see how you've revealed anyone.
mostlytechnic Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 The "more than one scum" thing is like I said, as we sort through all the claims that have come in, thanks to me claiming publicly.
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