Sick of Shrek

[Derek]

I like Shrek. I do understand where you guys are coming from, but arent you being a little harsh? Ask any little kid if they like Shrek and they will prolly say yes. I think you are forgetting who these movies are for. Kids and Families. For crying out loud its a cartoon people. |-/

[Batbrick]

I like Shrek. I do understand where you guys are coming from, but arent you being a little harsh? Ask any little kid if they like Shrek and they will prolly say yes. I think you are forgetting who these movies are for. Kids and Families. For crying out loud its a cartoon people. |-/

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Yes I understand, but just because its aimed at kids and is a cartoon (actually a digital animation :-P ) doesn't mean that it doesn't matter if it aint good. My favourite cartoon of alltime was Batman: The Animated Series, that was aimed at kids, yet it managed to have superb stories and excellent writing anyway. And that was on a low budget. Shrek 3 had who knows how many millions of dollars, yet not a decent script in sight. Directors should pride themselves in the fact they can make a great story for kids, but no, instead they just think that as long as it has movie references no one will understand five years down the track, and horrible slapstick, then its fine |-/

Batbrick Away! >:-)

[Zarkan]

The 3rd was really like the Indestructables (or whatever crap from Pixar) in the way that it was minimum service with a bad script and poor writing

Are you kidding me? That is my second favorite Pixar movie, and the writing and script didn't sound bad to me at all! *wacko*

Actually, I love all the Pixar movies, especially the above, Ratatouille, and of course the Toy Story series. Now, before you go "Fanboy!" I have enjoyed several Dreamworks movies as well. Over the Hedge and Robots were decent, and I love the claymation hits that their substudio brings out (Chicken Run for the WIN! *sweet* ). I just am getting tired of Dreamworks focusing on lame sequels instead of making lots of new stuff like Pixar. >:-(

[Batbrick]

Actually, I love all the Pixar movies, especially the above, Ratatouille, and of course the Toy Story series. Now, before you go "Fanboy!" I have enjoyed several Dreamworks movies as well. Over the Hedge and Robots were decent, and I love the claymation hits that their substudio brings out (Chicken Run for the WIN! *sweet* ). I just am getting tired of Dreamworks focusing on lame sequels instead of making lots of new stuff like Pixar. >:-(

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Actually Dreamworks "substudio" is actually Aardman Animations, who only made films with Dreamworks for a short time, and are actually a separate business! :-P

But in all seriousness, I too have enjoyed several Dreamworks movies, but Pixar is perfection in my book *wub*

Batbrick Away! >:-)

[Freddie]

I too think that Dreamworks is, by making Shrek a quintology and giving Puss-In-Boots his own movie, taking it way too far. The first Shrek movie was original because it was just that, original. I've seen the second one, which I frankly was less impressed with, and I had absolutely no interest in the third movie.

I don't necessarily believe that Dreamworks should make originals instead of sequels, though. If there is a script for a sequel that makes it worth it, go for it.

Pixar on the other hand (hopefully now also Disney after they acquired Pixar - with key Pixar personell now controlling Disney, no less!) have been good at making great movies - not children movies, but family movies that the entire family can watch without getting bored. IMO, the only let down from Pixar was Cars (altough I still think it was good), and I am yet to watch Ratatouille. Disney also seems to have been improving (Meet the Robinsons was great) and it looks like they have a few great new films up their sleeves.

[Lt. Veers]

Unfortunatly, the world is running out of fresh ideas. Their solution? More sequels.

[Corvus]

Which reminds me--has anyone seen "The Bee Movie" yet? We're trying to decide if we're going to take our boys to it.

It was all right. It started out nice and original, with a bee who doesn't want to spend the rest of his life working... Anyway, it's all right.

[5150 Lego]

I like Shrek. I do understand where you guys are coming from, but arent you being a little harsh? Ask any little kid if they like Shrek and they will prolly say yes. I think you are forgetting who these movies are for. Kids and Families. For crying out loud its a cartoon people. |-/

Thank you. I think many people are looking into movies like these way to much.

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Yes I understand, but just because its aimed at kids and is a cartoon (actually a digital animation :-P ) doesn't mean that it doesn't matter if it aint good. My favourite cartoon of alltime was Batman: The Animated Series, that was aimed at kids, yet it managed to have superb stories and excellent writing anyway. And that was on a low budget. Shrek 3 had who knows how many millions of dollars, yet not a decent script in sight. Directors should pride themselves in the fact they can make a great story for kids, but no, instead they just think that as long as it has movie references no one will understand five years down the track, and horrible slapstick, then its fine |-/

Batbrick Away! >:-)

I fail to see how Batman the animated series had an more "superb" writing and script than shrek did. But to be fair, though there both amied at kids, there still both very differnt type of cartoons.

Personally, when i watch a cartoon, (or any animated tv show/movie) is it must make me laugh. Shrek does a preety good job of that. I'll admit that yes certain characters can get old ofter a bit, but ones things for certain...

I don't want a masterfull writed script, i don't want some important envirormental message, or anything that i have to keep up on, or makes me think. If i want that, i'll watch 24 or CSI.

personally, i think Sponge bob is one of the best cartoons period. Its funny, and i always end up busting out laughing after every episode. Just what a cartoon should do. *y*

[Batbrick]

I fail to see how Batman the animated series had an more "superb" writing and script than shrek did. But to be fair, though there both amied at kids, there still both very differnt type of cartoons.

Personally, when i watch a cartoon, (or any animated tv show/movie) is it must make me laugh. Shrek does a preety good job of that. I'll admit that yes certain characters can get old ofter a bit, but ones things for certain...

I don't want a masterfull writed script, i don't want some important envirormental message, or anything that i have to keep up on, or makes me think. If i want that, i'll watch 24 or CSI.

personally, i think Sponge bob is one of the best cartoons period. Its funny, and i always end up busting out laughing after every episode. Just what a cartoon should do. *y*

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Well no offense, but everything you just stated was simply YOUR opinion. Thats like me saying: "Serious cartoons are alright, but they have to be funny to be good!". Exaggerated yes, but you get the gist of what I'm saying. No one is looking way too far into it, quite the opposite, they are simply stating that what could have been a great comedy was letdown by a lacklustre script. Cartoons are a medium just like digital animation and live action filming, and have the power to be funny, serious, powerful, moral or absurd.

I too think Spongebob is a great show, and I also love the Simpsons, but just because something is drawn 2d or 3d, doesn't mean it can't evoke the same power as anything else. Which is why I can watch the hilarity of Spongebob, and the brilliant Batman: TAS.

PS: I still don't understand your comment on Batman TAS's superb writing.

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[JINZONINGEN73]

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Sadly true that is :'-( ......

I dislike Shrek immensely because Dreamworks think he has a right to be in every part of our live through advertising >:-( I am getting sick of seeing Shrek plush toys, yogurts and such!

The third movie in particular was bad :-X

I have a large problem with dreamworks in general actually.

Problem one: Sequels galore!

Shrek 2, Shrek 3, Shrek 4, Shrek 5, puss in Boots, Madagascar 2, Madagascar 3 and the proposed Shark Tale 2 and Over the Hedge 2 :-X

Problem two: Humour

I hate references as the basis of comedies! HATE! >:-( Grow some wit will you dreamworks!

Problem three: Quality

Who cares about quality when we can have quantity by churning out crap after crap!

Problem four: Marketing

Still looking for an ogre free zone! |-/

Overall I think that the marketing team of Dreamworks are a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes! (who can guess this reference?)

Pixar on the other hand *wub* ..................

Rant Over.

Batbrick Away! >:-)

Compared to Disney, I'd say Dreamworks is the lesser of the media-whores. You can NOT go out shopping and not see something Disney, even if it's characters they haven't had in a feature for 5 years!

Same with most of your other arguments, where Disney's gone before to the highest degree.

And once again, Disney are the kings of ripping other people's intellectual properties off and getting away with it by crushing the competition with their high-priced lawyers.

Buuuuut anyway, I agree that over-saturation with promoting characters is annoying.

I LOVED the first Shrek movie... but didn't see it at first. Same with How the Grinch Stole Christmas.

WHY?

Because I'd be there on my drive to work, hearing incessant advertising on the radio.

I'd be at work, and all the electronics flyers had their freaking faces plastered on every page and on every monitor in the ads.

THEN you go home and it's all over the tv... ugh.

It's just too much.

Truthfully, I saw Shrek and Grinch (months later) ONLY because my wife dl'ed them because they were "new" movies lol.

To this day, I know people who haven't seen one or the other for the same reason I almost didn't.

Disney will do media blitzes for CRAP movies, and people get suckered into viewing them. Inevitably, this makes it so other movie companies have to jack up the advertising even further just to get a chance to be seen inside the tidal wave of Disney's advertising budget. Also, you have to realize the costs associated in making films like these... they have to pull out the stops on advertising or heads are gonna' roll when the numbers don't come back to validate making any more.

Shrek 2 was a decent sequel to the first (as in, it didn't take the franchise down a notch like in a Ghostbusters 2 kind of way).

The third did pretty much blow... seemed too... I dunno. Something felt bland and wrong about it. The physical landscapes didn't feel quite on par with the first two, being maybe TOO realistic.

And the whole absent-minded wizard thing is the cliche' junk you'd get in any crappy cartoon... something / someone REALLY powerful, but faulty. **yawn**

Now, that's not to say a 4th, 5th and 6th movie would also blow... but 3 sure did.

(And yet, still better than most movies that come out any given year).

[Lasse D]

I thought the first Shrek movie was pretty funny to watch first time. The only good moment I remember in Shrek 2 was the one where you hear "Holding out for a hero" which reminded me about my favorite movie where that song is used in a similar way.

I couldn't get bothered with the third installment, but I can't really have anything against them whoring out their own product.

[5150 Lego]

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Well no offense, but everything you just stated was simply YOUR opinion. Thats like me saying: "Serious cartoons are alright, but they have to be funny to be good!". Exaggerated yes, but you get the gist of what I'm saying. No one is looking way too far into it, quite the opposite, they are simply stating that what could have been a great comedy was letdown by a lacklustre script. Cartoons are a medium just like digital animation and live action filming, and have the power to be funny, serious, powerful, moral or absurd.

I too think Spongebob is a great show, and I also love the Simpsons, but just because something is drawn 2d or 3d, doesn't mean it can't evoke the same power as anything else. Which is why I can watch the hilarity of Spongebob, and the brilliant Batman: TAS.

PS: I still don't understand your comment on Batman TAS's superb writing.

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Your right, it is my opinion. I'm not saying that serious cartoons aren't good, just not what i'm looking for in a cartoon. But as faar as humor goes, i personally think that shrek hit that mark. I also still fail to see how the script was as bad as you say. Again, i'm only going on the first two movies as there the only ones i've seen. It does seem that people have enjoyed the 3rd less than the first 2. Maybe it was the story line, maybe shrek is just lost the impactit did as when it first came out. One thing is for certain though. Little kids really seem to enjoy it. And as long as the kids keep enjoying it, the producers will keep on doing what there doing. Time will tell how long it lasts.

[Batbrick]

Your right, it is my opinion. I'm not saying that serious cartoons aren't good, just not what i'm looking for in a cartoon. But as faar as humor goes, i personally think that shrek hit that mark. I also still fail to see how the script was as bad as you say. Again, i'm only going on the first two movies as there the only ones i've seen. It does seem that people have enjoyed the 3rd less than the first 2. Maybe it was the story line, maybe shrek is just lost the impactit did as when it first came out. One thing is for certain though. Little kids really seem to enjoy it. And as long as the kids keep enjoying it, the producers will keep on doing what there doing. Time will tell how long it lasts.

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It seems that I what I meant came out all wrong :-$ I didn't like Shrek even when it came out, twists-on-fairytales just aren't my thing, but I do recognise it as having a good script and being a good movie still, I just don't like it. Thats the critic in me, if I was to review it, I would recommend it, but that doesn't mean I enjoy it. But what the critic in me says is bad, and my opinion says is bad, is Shrek the Third.

So I'm glad you liked Shrek, because even though it wasn't my cup of tea it is a good movie, but I just think that twists-on-fairytale stories get repetitive with sequels.

So I hope we can agree on that :-)

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[maiq the liar]

I would say something, but my opinion is based on...

A) the original book

2) 1/3 of the first movie

[Zarkan]

Compared to Disney, I'd say Dreamworks is the lesser of the media-whores. You can NOT go out shopping and not see something Disney, even if it's characters they haven't had in a feature for 5 years!

Same with most of your other arguments, where Disney's gone before to the highest degree.

And your point? Seriously, it's not wrong to make merchandise and sell it. You act like it's a crime that Disney is so powerful in the market, when the fact is that they have been around so long that it's nearly impossible for them not to have a major claim in the movie market. I mean, Disney has been around, say 80 years, so why do you act like they have no right to be more powerful than Dreamworks, who has been around, like, 20 years.

Also, I really don't buy all this "rip-off" stuff as much as you do. The Lion King, maybe, The Wild, most assuredly, but movies like Ratoullie and A Bugs life aren't ripoffs of Flushed Away and Antz because aside from animal species, they have basically nothing in common. I mean, even the animation style can't be compared! And also, I think Disney did a far better job on them than Dreamworks did. Not surprising considering they were made by Pixar. :-)

Disney will do media blitzes for CRAP movies, and people get suckered into viewing them. Inevitably, this makes it so other movie companies have to jack up the advertising even further just to get a chance to be seen inside the tidal wave of Disney's advertising budget. Also, you have to realize the costs associated in making films like these... they have to pull out the stops on advertising or heads are gonna' roll when the numbers don't come back to validate making any more.

The third did pretty much blow... seemed too... I dunno. Something felt bland and wrong about it. The physical landscapes didn't feel quite on par with the first two, being maybe TOO realistic.

And the whole absent-minded wizard thing is the cliche' junk you'd get in any crappy cartoon... something / someone REALLY powerful, but faulty. **yawn**

Now, that's not to say a 4th, 5th and 6th movie would also blow... but 3 sure did.

(And yet, still better than most movies that come out any given year).

I don't get what you're saying. You act like it's wrong for Disney to make lots of sequels and advertise characters again and again, and yet you are fine with 3 more Shrek sequels. *wacko*

Seriously, you can't say that it's wrong for Disney to advertise their movies like crazy. They're paying for the advertisements, so they have the right to show them as much as they want. And it's not like Dreamworks doesn't do the same thing. I mean, a MC'D's Shrek happy meal to celebrate a DVD LAUNCH? Give me a break. :-|

Also, who says the movies Disney makes are CRAP? You say, but you're opinion is not FACT, and neither is mine, which personally loves many of the Disney movies (especially ones made by Pixar). Really though, when you go to a Disney movie, you shouldn't always expect it to make perfect sense or to be actually serious. Meet the Robinsons, for example, is a lighthearted movie with little realism, so moviegoers who like their movies either total comedy or total epic won't like it. But a lot of moviegoers don't care, and thus Meet the Robinsons has gotten good reviews overall. Suckered? How can they be suckered if they said they enjoyed it and gave it 77/100? :-/

On the other hand, mass advertising of obviously mature films to pre-adolsecents is totally wrong to me. Take Transformers, for example. The movie has a lot of stuff most wouldn't want their 8 year old seeing, and yet we have action figures, coloring books, stickers, voice changers, and so many other things aimed at the young audience. Obviously the moviemakers hoped that kids would take their children to the movie and get hooked on their toys as well, but in the process they saw a ton of swearing, dirty jokes, and other stuff that parents shouldn't be actively encouraging their kids to see and use.

Okay, that's enough for now from me. :-P

Edited November 28, 2007 by Grevious

[5150 Lego]

And your point? Seriously, it's not wrong to make merchandise and sell it. You act like it's a crime that Disney is so powerful in the market, when the fact is that they have been around so long that it's nearly impossible for them not to have a major claim in the movie market. I mean, Disney has been around, say 80 years, so why do you act like they have no right to be more powerful than Dreamworks, who has been around, like, 20 years.

I think the main point that he was geting at was that though yes, every company has the right to advertise, but i think he feels that disney does it a bit more than dreamworks or any other company for that matter. But i do agree with you that there's nothing wrong with that. Even if they haven't realsed a movie of that character, thats how you keep them alive without having to spend millions on a movie.

Seriously, you can't say that it's wrong for Disney to advertise their movies like crazy. They're paying for the advertisements, so they have the right to show them as much as they want. And it's not like Dreamworks doesn't do the same thing. I mean, a MC'D's Shrek happy meal to celebrate a DVD LAUNCH? Give me a break. :-|

Disneys done that exact same thing many times before with there DVD realses as well. So i don't thik its fair oh you to knock shrek for it.

Really though, when you go to a Disney movie, you shouldn't always expect it to make perfect sense or to be actually serious.

I think this could be for any animated movie weather it be made by Disney, Dreamworks or whoever. Not just limited to Disney.

On the other hand, mass advertising of obviously mature films to pre-adolsecents is totally wrong to me. Take Transformers, for example. The movie has a lot of stuff most wouldn't want their 8 year old seeing, and yet we have action figures, coloring books, stickers, voice changers, and so many other things aimed at the young audience. Obviously the moviemakers hoped that kids would take their children to the movie and get hooked on their toys as well, but in the process they saw a ton of swearing, dirty jokes, and other stuff that parents shouldn't be actively encouraging their kids to see and use.

Okay, that's enough for now from me. :-P

Considering that ive seen the movie more than a few times, i fail to see where all this "tons"of swearing is in the movie. A couple times yes, but but clearly not as much as you sugjest. Dirty jokes? Yep. Can't deny that, but in all honesty, its nothing that my 9yr old nephew hasn't heard from his class mates. Other than that there really isn't anything eles other than violence (whitch you just can't make transformers with it) that would prevent me from taking my 8yr old (if i had one) to see.

And lets say that i did agree with you, you don't need to see the movie to have intrest in the movie toys. A parent can buy the comic book, or video game for there kid and could get hooked on them from that.

Edited November 29, 2007 by 5150 Lego

[Corvus]

Considering that ive seen the movie more than a few times, i fail to see where all this "tons"of swearing is in the movie. A couple times yes, but but clearly not as much as you sugjest. Dirty jokes? Yep. Can't deny that, but in all honesty, its nothing that my 9yr old nephew hasn't heard from his class mates. Other than that there really isn't anything eles other than violence (whitch you just can't make transformers with it) that would prevent me from taking my 8yr old (if i had one) to see.

And lets say that i did agree with you, you don't need to see the movie to have intrest in the movie toys. A parent can buy the comic book, or video game for there kid and could get hooked on them from that.

You're forgetting one MAJOR quote- "Were you mastervating?!" I would never want my kids, or, (which is what happened), my twelve-year old sister, until they/she was at least sixteen...

9yr old nephew hasn't heard from his class mates.

His classmates have probably heard this from movies just like Transformers. It's horrible seeing what mass media does to kids- when fifth-graders start cursing like adults, and, indeed, laughing at R-rated jokes, we REALLY need to be worried. :-/

[Batbrick]

You're forgetting one MAJOR quote- "Were you mastervating?!" I would never want my kids, or, (which is what happened), my twelve-year old sister, until they/she was at least sixteen...

His classmates have probably heard this from movies just like Transformers. It's horrible seeing what mass media does to kids- when fifth-graders start cursing like adults, and, indeed, laughing at R-rated jokes, we REALLY need to be worried. :-/

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I would agree with Mr. Mandalorian in saying that kids that think that swearing in movies have no effect because people already do, is ignoring the fact that media is causing a lot of these people to swear.

However, I do think that this topic has gone a bit off-topic, as we were discussing Shrek and Dreamworks in general, not movie ratings.

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[5150 Lego]

You're forgetting one MAJOR quote- "Were you mastervating?!" I would never want my kids, or, (which is what happened), my twelve-year old sister, until they/she was at least sixteen...

Ya, what you want,and what really happens are to completly differnt things. It would be very ignorant to think that you couldshelteryour child till the ageof 16 from sexual coments, and swearing. Sorrry there bub. But at this day in age, it just isn't going to happen.

His classmates have probably heard this from movies just like Transformers. It's horrible seeing what mass media does to kids- when fifth-graders start cursing like adults, and, indeed, laughing at R-rated jokes, we REALLY need to be worried. :-/

This is where the parents need to get involved and explain to there kids thatit isn't right to repet everything they here on TV/movies. It is not mass media's fault for this.

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I would agree with Mr. Mandalorian in saying that kids that think that swearing in movies have no effect because people already do, is ignoring the fact that media is causing a lot of these people to swear.

Again, this comes down to the parents/gardians of the child. It is THE PARENTS/GARDIANS responsibility to teach there children right from wrong. Just cause you took your kids to a PG-13 movie and heard a few swear words does not give you the right to blame the media. People are way to quick to blame the media when there child does somthing wrong, not wanting to take responsibility for themselfs.

Ok, i'm done for now. Back to our regularly scheduled program. :-)

[Commander Andrew of 501 st]

Ya, what you want,and what really happens are to completly differnt things. It would be very ignorant to think that you couldshelteryour child till the ageof 16 from sexual coments, and swearing. Sorrry there bub. But at this day in age, it just isn't going to happen.

i was taught the way that mr mandalorian suggested when i was a kid guess what i didnt curse or tell dirty jokes until my 15th birthday ;-)

You sir have a very strong opinon about this, i think you should let the man decide how he wants to teach his kids/siblings :-/

[5150 Lego]

i was taught the way that mr mandalorian suggested when i was a kid guess what i didnt curse or tell dirty jokes until my 15th birthday ;-)

You sir have a very strong opinon about this, i think you should let the man decide how he wants to teach his kids/siblings :-/

I'm not sugjesting that kids be taught a certain way, not am i insisting that his way of upbringing is wrong. Re read my post. What i was suggjesting, is that it is ignorant to think that you can completly shelter a teenager till the age of 16 from hereing sexual coments, or swearwords. Now i'm not saying to just go and let your kids watch anything they want ant any age, but blaming the media becasue your 12 year old says a bad word rediculous.

My parents for the most part, never really sheltered me from movies or TV. They would bring me to movies, even they knew would have swear words. They did this because i knew that at my age it was wrong to say those words at my age, so just cause i heard it in a movie doesn't make it ok for me to say.

And yes, i am very opionated on this subject cause a good friend of mine was in the Columbine high school shooting many years ago. Those of you not familar the Comlumbine high school shooting was considered one of the worst high school shooting in history. My frined was very fortunute to survive, but many were not. After doing some investigating my the local police it was found that the kids who performed the shootings played games like "DOOM", and listened to heavy metal music. Instead of pursuing the parents, many tried to sue ID Software, (the creator of the game "DOOM") and various other game makers and record labels claiming they were the sole reason that these kids did the horrible things they did. The goverment dropped the law suit after research proved that the many other reasons contributed to the killers actions and not the fact that they played violent video games.

Anyways, bottom line is if you don't want your 10 year old tohear swaering or perverted remarks in a movie/tv show, then don't take them to anything with higher than a PG rating. Thats why they have these movie rating in the first place. And if you still decide to take them, and they hear somthing that itsn't to your liking, don't female canine and complain about it, and blaim the media.

[tedbeard]

Just in time for Christmas, Shrek the Halls! X-D

Yep, here in N. America they just broadcast this holiday special featuring Shrek and all the gang. I $#1t you not. :-$

[Freddie]

Just in time for Christmas, Shrek the Halls! X-D

Yep, here in N. America they just broadcast this holiday special featuring Shrek and all the gang. I $#1t you not. :-$

At least they didn't crack and broadcast it in early november. ;-)

[Zarkan]

Just in time for Christmas, Shrek the Halls!

Yep, here in N. America they just broadcast this holiday special featuring Shrek and all the gang

Yeah, I mentioned that in my rant on the first page. ;-) Seriously, though, how much more can they do with Shrek without making it stupid and/or pointless? Oh, I forgot, they already did do that with Shrek 3. :-P

And yes, i am very opionated on this subject

I think that's a given on Eurobricks. Everyone here basically has very strong opinions, which is not wrong at all. What varries is HOW strong they get when talking to other people.... :-P

Anyways, bottom line is if you don't want your 10 year old tohear swaering or perverted remarks in a movie/tv show, then don't take them to anything with higher than a PG rating. Thats why they have these movie rating in the first place.

Truth is, I really have a grudge against Transformers because they really could have shown some restraint in terms of what the characters said, and what was shown. Seriously, it's been done before. Look at the Spiderman movies. These movies were awesome to watch and yet there was barely any swearing, sex, or other junk. Basically they only got PG-13 ratings because of violence. With that way of handling it, they made them suitable for young and old, and I wouldn't be upset at all about showing my 10 year old son them if I had one.

What's more is that making Transformers much more mature kind of betrayed the goodness all the classic cartoons had. Since when before this did you hear the S word ten times or hear dirty jokes in Transformers shows and movies? They seriously could have not put all that stuff in it, and I'm sure that would have made a lot of people happier, especially parents that had to disapoint their kids by not allowing them to see the movie due to bad content. :-/

[5150 Lego]

Truth is, I really have a grudge against Transformers because they really could have shown some restraint in terms of what the characters said, and what was shown. Seriously, it's been done before. Look at the Spiderman movies. These movies were awesome to watch and yet there was barely any swearing, sex, or other junk. Basically they only got PG-13 ratings because of violence. With that way of handling it, they made them suitable for young and old, and I wouldn't be upset at all about showing my 10 year old son them if I had one.

I'll aagree that having Jazz say Bi$#h was over the top,and shouldn't have been done. And yes there were morethan a few sexual referance jokes. Again, my 11 year old nephew saw it,and beilve me, that was the last thing he remembers. As far as the swearing goes, sorry, i still don't feel there was as much as your making out.

What's more is that making Transformers much more mature kind of betrayed the goodness all the classic cartoons had. Since when before this did you hear the S word ten times or hear dirty jokes in Transformers shows and movies? They seriously could have not put all that stuff in it, and I'm sure that would have made a lot of people happier, especially parents that had to disapoint their kids by not allowing them to see the movie due to bad content. :-/

Having swearing and dirty jokes in no way "betrays" the "classic goodness" of the cartoon. If anything, the few comlaints that the G1 fans had was that they felt the movie was to soft for there liking. Also, the movie was never intended to play omange to the original series. The script writers did put a few scences and lines to make G1 fan happy "I live to serve you lord megatron!" and of course "You fail me yet again starscream!" are good examples, but the they made it clear in interviews that this was not G1. And not all of the TF series was full of goodness. The comic book to my understanding was quite dark, and was aimed at an older crowd.

Well, bottom line is your going to have your opinion, and i'll have mine. I respect your opinion on the matter and apreciate the fact that you have respected mine. :-) I'm already looking forward to the debate when TF2 comes out! X-D