Dragonfire Posted April 4, 2016 Posted April 4, 2016 Re: PM-less games, DD's Scooby game had no PMs and def and I as scum totally took advantage of that - that was a main reason for our victory. No PMs cripples the town IMO. Also DD, fun fact, this is the second time that you've killed town-me on N3...
mostlytechnic Posted April 4, 2016 Posted April 4, 2016 Umbra - I really argued against killing you. You didn't seem scum to me at all and the insistence on it was just one more thing that made me think MT had been converted. I did it because I was hoping they might actually work with me and stop keeping so much secrets, but they still didn't. MT - you never begged me for a claim, you simply asked and I told you. You were expecting me to just come claim on my own with no other contact before? That would be a silly and scumlike thing to do IMO. I really enjoyed that the scum put up such good defenses from being lynched, it's nice when people really try and don't give up. I wish the lynched and nearly lynched townies had bothered to defend themselves at all. Thanks for the feedback. You're right, I didn't beg. You responded pretty quick. I guess by that point I'd gotten claims from everyone else, so given that I'd already gotten a scum lynched, I should have been trusted enough for people to claim without being asked. Plenty of people did - including townies. In fact, I thnk the only people I had to ask were you, jluck, and DF/CC. Sorry we didn't trust you more - but when you claimed vig we just weren't sure that you were a vig and not scum/SK claiming vig. If you had been one of those, you probably could have claimed vig at that point since there'd only been 1 kill a night and gotten away with it. You being scum was unlikely with the forresto kill, but heck, I killed off a scum in Kingdoms as the scum killer since we were a divided scum team. So it does happen. Without that game in the back of my mind I might have trusted you more. MT, I pushed for the vanilla lynch because, while dangerous, it was the only scenario that would possibly work. If I was lynched and lady k survived she'd be investigated as town. It was clear that I was going to die that day anyway so I really wanted to push that I was a townie early in the day, willing to die to win, and then shift the narrative to the block being infiltrated. It worked fairly well, but the odds were just too stacked. Honestly, I was happy with the attempt. That's true - it was a desperate and gutsy play that almost worked. I was definitely weighing it heavily in my mind, and it was being discussed on the block PM. You even got ladyK to start the voting on you to ensure her townieness... if it had worked, I probably wouldn't have investigated her that night. I would have started checking the block. What lost it for you was Tariq sending me this PM: "Actually now that I think about, this can't be right. JJP was blocked last night, meaning the last scum has a blocking ability, if we assume there is only one scum left then it can't be Lady K - because I blocked her. Which means she can't have blocked JJP last night. Or done anything for that matter. But this does give us more room for elimination as too who blocked him: It can't be you because you tracked DD It can't be me because I blocked Lady K It can't be DD because he killed Umbra It can't be CMP because he guarded you It can't be Lady K because I blocked her It can't be PD because he watched CMP targeting you So it must be Jluck surely... Unless of course JJP has been converted and is lying about being blocked but I doubt that." As I looked at that I knew he was right. I had it narrowed down that you or ladyK had to be scum. SLIGHT chance of the block being infiltrated, but I couldn't find any way one of them could be. All had done stuff that either caught scum or was cross-checked enough that I mostly trusted everyone. But tariq's logic made sense - I'd been too focused on the kills and not enough on JJP being blocked. I am really surprised that I wasn't investigated early on as I was person D in Dave's play. MT you did a good job leading town, even though I did try to add some stress into it with playing up the possibility of a traitor in the town block. Oh, believe me, you stressed the crap out of me! I'm surprised I wasn't seeing my spreadsheet in my sleep!
mediumsnowman Posted April 4, 2016 Author Posted April 4, 2016 I'm surprised I wasn't seeing my spreadsheet in my sleep! Ah, good. You haven't gone full-blown Hinckley on us... yet.
mostlytechnic Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Oh don't scare me... I don't plan on ever getting that bad. It's just a game. It's just a game. It's not real. It's just a game....
jluck Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Oh don't scare me... I don't plan on ever getting that bad. It's just a game. It's just a game. It's not real. It's just a game.... What's a game??? Mafia is the only thing that's real! Everything is just an act...
Darkdragon Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Re: PM-less games, DD's Scooby game had no PMs and def and I as scum totally took advantage of that - that was a main reason for our victory. No PMs cripples the town IMO. Also DD, fun fact, this is the second time that you've killed town-me on N3... Yeah, and I have to say that a PM-less game does not help at all with people talking more in day threads. I have to say, I do not recommend it. Maybe you just seem more and more scummy to me as the days go on.
fhomess Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 I think if you want people to play more in the day threads you have to reduce the amount of information people have behind the scenes... i.e. fewer roles or fewer things worth keeping private somehow. I will say that I think mafia games are less appealing to newcomers when too much of the game is played behind the scenes. I was actually a bit disappointed that the two tracker claims in this game didn't become public with us voting for one of us.
Dragonfire Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 In fact, I thnk the only people I had to ask were you, jluck, and DF/CC. You didn't ask me, you just contacted me because DD was suspicious of me in-thread. Too bad she didn't know that Tariq was a jailkeeper, then CC and I would be alive.
Piratedave84 Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Pdave - why the claims on day 2 to people that weren't involved (ie ladyK?) I have to say, I never 100% trusted you. The way the whole thing went down, I spent much time over the rest of the game trying to figure out if you could possibly be scum and how to test you. Well after talking to you, JJP and Fhomess I was freaked out and I knew I spoke to at least one too many person. I had already calimed to Fhomess and you at that point so I had nothing to lose really. Lady K was my back up ... a bad one ... but since you knew I reached out to her (I told you right?) if she had lied she would have outed herself. There was a lot of talk about how Dave's early claim to folks in private was a poor play, but I'm beginning to come around to the idea that an early town claim isn't necessarily a bad thing. He put a lot of pressure on me to claim, and I took a gamble that with a watcher and investigative role, there would be no town tracker. Didn't work out, obviously. I'm really surprised it took the town block so long to trust Dave. I was clearly scum and had proven that we had a tracker claim. Dave's watcher claim should've been trusted from the moment there were two tracker claims. I think the town played things very well in terms of methodically going through those claims. I'm a little surprised that Tariq claimed early and that his claim was trusted. Jailkeeper is usually implemented as a scum role. Anyway... very nice job to the town. You guys systematically confirmed each other and went about the business as needed. Well deserved victory. I was happy with my claim and really stoked when I realized that in targetting MT I had found another NA which indirectly led to JJP and we had a "block" going on day one; not so bad! BUT... I know I was rash on my claiming and in trying to mend things I jeopardize MT and JJP's trust. All and all though we managed to work together pretty efficiently and things worked out well. I have to admit I was always surprised that MT and I were alive when the days started; I fully expected one of us to die any day. Yeah, and I have to say that a PM-less game does not help at all with people talking more in day threads. I have to say, I do not recommend it. I think if you want people to play more in the day threads you have to reduce the amount of information people have behind the scenes... i.e. fewer roles or fewer things worth keeping private somehow. I will say that I think mafia games are less appealing to newcomers when too much of the game is played behind the scenes. I was actually a bit disappointed that the two tracker claims in this game didn't become public with us voting for one of us. Someone floated the idea of a writeboard for the town block. I like the idea where we can only communicate at night as town. Maybe it could be an experiment for the next game; give a "leader", the cop maybe, a link to a writeboard and they are then free to invite people, at their own risk, to the board which can only be used at night.
Forresto Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Thanks everyone for a great game! This was highly enjoyable. I think if you want people to play more in the day threads you have to reduce the amount of information people have behind the scenes... i.e. fewer roles or fewer things worth keeping private somehow. I will say that I think mafia games are less appealing to newcomers when too much of the game is played behind the scenes. I was actually a bit disappointed that the two tracker claims in this game didn't become public with us voting for one of us. I'm not going to lie all the behind the scenes stuff was really confusing to a newcomer. At a certain point it seemed most of the game was being played elsewhere. That said the early claiming did not help either. As scum, even though we did make some poor decisions after night one, it felt like the game was over by day 3. Not because I died but because the scum was basically picked off one by one due to an early town block. Not to mention the fact that all of us newcomers were for the most part taken out back to back. I am not complaining at all, this was really fun and I had a great time playing I just think for all the twists the game had the end result started to become very predictable fairly early on. Edited April 5, 2016 by Forresto
fhomess Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 I am not complaining at all, this was really fun and I had a great time playing I just think for all the twists the game had the end result started to become very predictable fairly early on. FWIW, this is not normal. The games here are rarely as predictable as this game was. It really was a unique combination of things that led to a quick expected outcome this time around. Conversely, it is fairly common for Eurobricks games to have a large behind-the-scenes PM component.
Darkdragon Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Too bad she didn't know that Tariq was a jailkeeper, then CC and I would be alive. This is very true, at least you would have been alive. I asked people in the town block about you and the "i protected him" .. " i mean i blocked him" claim and instead of anything useful was only told 'let's see what happens if it's brought up in the day thread'.
Comrade Commander Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Thanks for the fun game! As mentioned in the dead board, I wasn't a huge fan of the "majority vote" but it worked out so I cannot complain. I still cannot understand all the role claims! Haha
Junior Shark Posted April 22, 2016 Posted April 22, 2016 Late to the party, but thanks for the fun game! Is it a game if you barely last a day?
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