Why don't they just buy brick buckets?

Or maybe even the nice DACTA sets?

i think it is because people would prefer that lego would kepp the standard pieces and not keep making big pieces that are hard to use in MOCs

just my 2cents

Well because there's no real need for juniorization. You just mentioned yourself "why not just buy brick buckets?", well that shows the problem right there. They're making their sets unappealing towards the MOCing audience...hell, the entire audience! Sure, they're 'easier' and faster to build, but at what cost? Sound construction? Sturdy structures? Unnecessary new molds which are not only harder to incorporate into a MOC but take away from new, potentially useful new molds, are another factor.

We tend to dislike juniorization because it takes away from the heart and soul of what LEGO is, and that's building and using your imagination and creativity in new ways, rather than just building the picture on the box and calling it a day.

You answered your own question.

Why don't they just buy brick buckets?

You see, we shouldn't have to buy brick buckets to create new things, but rather use the same elements from a set.

Myself, I dont see why juniorization is needed, fast building is if anything a dissapointment - I love building new sets, its exciting and rather relaxing. I could say Im almost addicted to building the sets, cracking open the new crinkly bags, dumping out the peices..

Yum..

Myself, I dont see why juniorization is needed, fast building is if anything a dissapointment - I love building new sets, its exciting and rather relaxing. I could say Im almost addicted to building the sets, cracking open the new crinkly bags, dumping out the peices..

Yum..

Too true... tomorrow will be heaven for that! :-D

I for one find 'juniorisation' i.e. the use of BURPs and other large singular pieces instead of brick built things to be quite slack. I remember getting the Royal Knights Castle (or something like that) when I was, like, 7, and I had tons of fun with that. Then last year I got Mistlands Tower, which was cool, but all the BURPs really let it down. Good to see the new Castle has got hardly any BURPs at all.

The most annoying/ridiculous thing (or rather brick) I find about juniorisation is the 1x2x2 brick. Why not just use two 1x2 bricks stacked atop of each other? Ridiculous, in my opinion.

~Peace

Too true... tomorrow will be heaven for that! :-D

just use two 1x2 bricks stacked atop of each other? Ridiculous, in my opinion.

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Thats a peice I despise too, but even more I hate the 1x2x6 peice *n*

And yes, tommorow is building heaven! *wub*

On a related note:

I think TLC is definitely going back to its roots now, the main threat of juniorisation in over I think :-)

Nothnig to Say, but Batbrick Away! >:-)

That's a piece I despise too, but even more I hate the 1x2x6 piece *n*

Remember, i before e!

Anyway, I for one actually like the 1x2x6. Think about it, if you were to make a massive wall out of 1x2x6 pieces instead of heaps of 1x2's, it would be stronger. Unless you crossed the 1x2's over, making it stronger, er...

I guess I just don't not like the 1x2x6 because it was in that first castle I got, before juniorisation. That, and it's not really a waste, whereas the 1x2x2 can easily be replaced by two 1x2's, I mean that's just ridiculous. But a 1x2x6 is better and stronger than six 1x2's. I don't know, it's just my feelings and opinions towards the topic. I'll stop now. *wacko* :-P X-D

~Peace

Edited December 24, 200717 yr by iamded

Remember, i before e!

Anyway, I for one actually like the 1x2x6. Think about it, if you were to make a massive wall out of 1x2x6 pieces instead of heaps of 1x2's, it would be stronger. Unless you crossed the 1x2's over, making it stronger, er...

I guess I just don't not like the 1x2x6 because it was in that first castle I got, before juniorisation. That, and it's not really a waste, whereas the 1x2x2 can easily be replaced by two 1x2's, I mean that's just ridiculous. But a 1x2x6 is better and stronger than six 1x2's. I don't know, it's juts my feelings and opinions towards the topic. I'll stop now. *wacko* :-P X-D

~Peace

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And just is not spelled JUTS! :-P

You make a good point, but I guess what I hate about the peice is the way its used, even you have to admit that. In many sets its just lazily placed there, rather than proper usage of it. That said, I have come around to your thinking of this piece, the 1x2x2 is definitely worse.

I actually don't mind BURPs too much, as seen in that awesome Batcave WIP, they are useful for largescale projects and such. Again, the problem for me is the usage of them, as they pop-up in sets where they are not needed.

Could someone give me an example of a CRAPP please? I am not familiar with which piece ( :-P ) this is.

Nothing to Say, but Batbrick Away! >:-)

Starwars4J said it best! *wub*

Could someone give me an example of a CRAPP please? I am not familiar with which piece ( :-P ) this is.

CRAPP: Crummy Ramp and Pit Plate... but I don't know if it refers to this one...

...or this one...

CRAPP: Crummy Ramp and Pit Plate... but I don't know if it refers to this one...

...or this one...

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Ah, thanks for that Sinner, I thought it might be those, but there was another peice i thought it might be too.

And I too think SW4J said it best, lego is a toy for the imagination, why limit that with a peice with limited uses?

Nothing to Say, but Batbrick Away! >:-)

1x2x2 :-X The first time I saw this piece in King Leo's Castle (along with all the other <insert that tiresome argument> parts, especially the back "wall" *n* )...well, y'know...

And Sinner, you missed this one:

From Royal Knight's castle; I actually don't agree with CRAPPs - they make a set great and are very useful - I mean, c'mon, if it's used in Eldorado Fortress and IMTP, it can't be that <insert that tiresome argument>...

Juniorization is horrible because it destroys the heart of a model - BURPs are useful in bigger sets, but not in small ones...

Edit: I also have problems with:

- why not an arch and 2 bricks?

Just classic of KK2...

Pointless...

SlyOwl

Edited January 5, 200817 yr by SlyOwl

And Sinner, you missed this one:

Indeed I did! :-D I don't mind them... but I have only one. If I had several I would probably feel different.

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Thats a peice I despise too, but even more I hate the 1x2x6 peice *n*

And yes, tommorow is building heaven! *wub*

On a related note:

I think TLC is definitely going back to its roots now, the main threat of juniorisation in over I think :-)

Nothnig to Say, but Batbrick Away! >:-)

Well for you, right now it's Christmas, it's still the 24th here >:-(

Thanks for the answers, guys.

i actually like them CRAPP or crepes. :-P it was put to good use in the eldorado. i really like that set. the sunken hole was put to good use as a cellar for those treasure and port wine! :-P

before getting some of the classic sets from fleabay (i have very few classics during my childhood, the beta 1 command, 924 transport ship, some space police, etc) i wasn't sure what makes a classic a classic. that is until i got a few of them. the yellow castle, the wolfman pack, the eldorado, the caribbean clipper. and BSB, SES. those really took a while to build even with few parts. not only that, they are good as display models too. and playable too. well, not much to do for the castles :-P maybe that's because i haven't won a good set like 6086 yet. but i can see why the pirates sets are so good. looks beautiful as a legorized ship, playable (shooting cannons), and all brick built. my son has an awesome time making them walk the plank. :-P staging mutiny, had cannon fights between the eldorado, clipper and BSB. BSB is particularly beautiful. it has real cabin doors, and galley below the deck. clipper is a little hollow. haven't build the SES yet, but if it is like the BSB, it should be fantastic too.

i would imagine if they were to create pirates today, it would have that large thingy as cannon. yuck!

i don't think the 70-80s are the golden age. i think the 90s are the golden age. the 90s are way better in terms of design, playability and build. i kept a few classic spacemen and knights (btw, the visor feels like cheap plastics, not the hard ABS like the pointy visor. is this right? don't know if i got a crap pirated version or not). but visually they aren't as stunning as the pointy visor knights or the space police/mtron/blacktrons. same with the castle and spacecraft designs. of course, some would argue the 90s have more moulds. nevertheless, the completed sets are just so stunning, visually.

i am going to look for some of these obscure sets from the pirates, castle and space themes. :-P they are soooo good. :-D

And just is not spelled JUTS! :-P

Uh, I don't know what you're talking about. 8-| X-D

And Sinner, you missed this one:

*wub* I love that set! *wub*

Anywho, I'm not as opposed to CRAPPs, except when you need to store them. And if you accidentally, say, stand on one, it can get a big crack right along the edge. :'-( Other than that, they can be put to good use (unlike those stupid 1x2x2's!! >:-( :-P), for example, in Castles. :-D

*wub*

Merry Christmas!

~Peace

Wait, is the 1x2x2 piece the right angle one?

If so, I LOVE that piece!

8-

Wait, is the 1x2x2 piece the right angle one?

If so, I LOVE that piece!

8-

Edited December 25, 200717 yr by Nebsirob

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The most annoying/ridiculous thing (or rather brick) I find about juniorisation is the 1x2x2 brick. Why not just use two 1x2 bricks stacked atop of each other? Ridiculous, in my opinion.

I don't have a problem with that piece. I don't think Lego overuse it and it is far more usable than the 1x2x5 piece, which I think is overused. :-/

I hate ones like the slave 1's cocpit peice, you can't use it for anythin, also the Jedi starfighter's is almost as bad. I HATE 1x2x2 peices too, and CRAPPs can be okay.

People don't like Jouniorized peices for a very good reason: they are made specificly for 1 or 2 sets, and are hard to fit into MOCs or other creations. They also are big and anoying.

Well because there's no real need for juniorization. You just mentioned yourself "why not just buy brick buckets?", well that shows the problem right there. They're making their sets unappealing towards the MOCing audience...hell, the entire audience! Sure, they're 'easier' and faster to build, but at what cost? Sound construction? Sturdy structures? Unnecessary new molds which are not only harder to incorporate into a MOC but take away from new, potentially useful new molds, are another factor.

We tend to dislike juniorization because it takes away from the heart and soul of what LEGO is, and that's building and using your imagination and creativity in new ways, rather than just building the picture on the box and calling it a day.

But you see, mocing is all in the person creating the moc. i remeber when every complained about how <insert that tiresome argument> the airliner plane hull was and that it was commpletely usless. then someone on brickshelf posted pics of it being used as a train hull. I've also seen some preety good space ship mocs with them.Worked really well in that moc. You might not see it as being as usefull of a peice, but for some, it might be just what they were looking for.

Not everyone mocs. Some need to remeber than many of the "<insert that tiresome argument>" pieces your refering to are made to please kids, and not AFOL. My nephew absolutly loves his airliner. One of his favorite sets. *sweet*

Also, i've noticed alot lately that many coment that a set is too "<insert that tiresome argument>" because of there size, and nothing to do with it using large parts. Many people are stuck in there old building ways, and are to quick to pass off some of these larger sets as being <insert that tiresome argument> simply because its to big to fit in there city.

I just realised a use for the 1x2x2 brick. Stickers. :-/ I'd rather have a sticker on one of those bricks than 2 1x2's. Stickers that cross bricks are just wrong. :-P

~Peace

post removed due to bad joke.

steel...

Edited January 2, 200817 yr by steelharbingerofdeath

But you see, mocing is all in the person creating the moc. i remeber when every complained about how <insert that tiresome argument> the airliner plane hull was and that it was commpletely usless. then someone on brickshelf posted pics of it being used as a train hull. I've also seen some preety good space ship mocs with them.Worked really well in that moc. You might not see it as being as usefull of a peice, but for some, it might be just what they were looking for.

Well, that is only partially true. Juniorization isn't simply a question of one or two specialized bricks. The trend towards juniorization (particularly in the late 90s/early 2000s) was disconcerting to fans simply because there was a growing trend towards specialized single purpose bricks. Even if you can find a few more uses for such bricks, it doesn't change the fact that the uses for such bricks are very limited. This is even more distressing when you consider that young fans in that period simply weren't able to collect a sufficient collection of basic bricks to adequately MOC.

Specialized elements are definitely a part of LEGO. They have been around since the dawn of the minifig. that being said, it is important to maintain a healthy balance between ordinary bricks and highly specialized (single use) bricks to foster creative play. A pretty good space ship or train may utilize some very specific bricks, but they also rely on the basic bricks we have come to know and love.

Not everyone mocs. Some need to remeber than many of the "<insert that tiresome argument>" pieces your refering to are made to please kids, and not AFOL. My nephew absolutly loves his airliner. One of his favorite sets. *sweet*

There are countless toys available for people who don't MOC. Heck, if you take juniorization to its natural conclusion you end up with... Playmobile :-D .

If you strip LEGO of its versatility you essentially remove the one quality that has defined this brand for decades. The trend away from juniorization in recent years also suggests that that particular trend wasn't favourable to begin with. The majority of today's sets are as complex as anything we've seen from LEGO. Isolated juniorization like the airliner is fine. It's when the entire line starts to simplify things to such levels that fans many grow frustrated.

Also, i've noticed alot lately that many coment that a set is too "<insert that tiresome argument>" because of there size, and nothing to do with it using large parts. Many people are stuck in there old building ways, and are to quick to pass off some of these larger sets as being <insert that tiresome argument> simply because its to big to fit in there city.

The size of a model has nothing to do with juniorization. Simplified building and design on the other hand do. Heck, alot of sets in the late 90s were actually colour-coded to ensure kids didn't confuse a 1x3, 1x4 or any other similarly sized bricks. Do you remember the 90s city sets where cars and trucks had no doors? Juniorization isn't simply a matter of being 'stuck in old ways'.

Edited January 1, 200817 yr by blueandwhite