[PORSCHE] LEGO Technic Porsche of Your Dreams

[offroadcreations]

@Jim, is it at all possible to get my score back? I would like some feedback to improve upon next time.

I would also like to get my scores back, if possible.

[Jonfensu]

Many notes on the lack of originality in the list of semi-finalists and I think I have to agree with them. If the contest would have been about building a replica of an existing model, the lack of originality would have been perfectly normal. But the contest was as open as could possibly be: build your dream Porsche. I had expected to see a mix of original models in all kinds of shapes and sizes as semi-finalists. All breathing the Porsche signature - which is something different from 'looking like an existing Porsche' or 'coming most close to the original functions'.

This.

Exactly, the title "Build the Porsche of your dreams" cover many possibilities like an existing or no existing car, but if we look carefully at the rules, criteria and description of contest we can find some interesting things, precisely the ones that Didumos is pointing  out

Let's star with the slogan. "I couldn't find the car I dreamt of, so I decided to build it myself". OK, so Why existing cars were allowed? ...

Now lets see the criteria points. "Overall coolness and originality" Quite self explanatory, you can't be original if you pretend to build an existing model, (or TLG meant to say "originality" in the way how the pieces were used? Oh well )" Most inspired details and functions on the model ". The same as the previous point. "Understanding of the Porsche brand design and competition theme" This is the most critical point. When you are building an existing model basically you don't have to 'understand' a design at all. Why? Because you only have to follow the existing design lines. ( When I write 'only' I don't mean to say that is an easy task) To understand something you have to learn first. So in this case you have to learn and then understand for example, what is the difference between a Carrera, Turbo, Cayman and Targa madel. You have to know why some models are S, 4S, GT2 , GT3, RS, RSR. When you are building an existing car you only have to see some pictures and blueprints of the real car. But in this case, that "Understanding" criteria point persuaded you to search and read some pages like this https://www.carthrottle.com/post/an-idiots-guide-to-understanding-the-porsche-911-range/ or this https://www.stuttcars.com/technical/glossary/. Obviously you do that because you want a car that follows the Porsche design.

So we could conclude that the initial fate of the contest was build a car that resembles a Porsche and existing cars were not considered. I think that TLG assumed that we would understand that and a formal statement was not necessary . Wrong! That explain why there were questions about building existing cars or not. (Even the judges didn't know). So seems like TLG rushed "on the way" the option of allow existing cars and as a consequence the fate of the contest was ruined. It's not fair to put a great existing car model against a great no one. For example what would be more appealing : a MOC with steering geometry, sequential gearbox dual clutch with paddle shifters, AWD etc in a great non existing car, or a simple independent suspension setup, 2-4 speed gearbox, RWD in a MClaren P1 body? (I'm tired of see Porsche in my soup ) The answer is obvious. Please take in mind that I'm not blaming the judges and the entries of existing cars either. Even most of my favorite ones are existing cars

Well, I don't know, but TLG should compensate in any way some of the participants due the confusion generated by them and their misleading and ambiguous rules, description and criteria.. I mean, it was a WORLDWIDE (!) contest and such thing should not happen, especially if you are an important company like TLG or Porsche. Yep, I mentioned Porsche because they are part of the judges line.

PS. I could write about LDD entries but it would make this post longer

[Anio]

And almost as always, Technic contests organised by TLG failed in a way...

The contest about 9398/41999 is the only exception.

[Jim]

Jim, maybe stupid question.but why we have to wait 3 weeks for the anouncement? :)

I have no idea. Maybe due to Holidays or something.

I have explained the judging procedure earlier in this topic. Let's leave it at that. When you join the next EB contest (about to start) you will get full disclosure afterwards

[Charbel]

Jim, in which points do you consider this : http://www.lego.com/en-us/rebrick/view-entry?c_id=%7BD776AFA5-00A1-4F55-A7B3-6A07F5795B68%7D&a_id=d05a08af-d1d1-44e4-9be1-a5aa83f3e345&sortEntry=false better than this : http://www.lego.com/en-us/rebrick/view-entry?c_id=%7BD776AFA5-00A1-4F55-A7B3-6A07F5795B68%7D&a_id=21812d9c-df06-43a8-9ddd-9565f0bf2788&sortEntry=true

I really want to know, it would let me do better for the next contest.

[Jim]

Jim, in which points do you consider this : http://www.lego.com/en-us/rebrick/view-entry?c_id=%7BD776AFA5-00A1-4F55-A7B3-6A07F5795B68%7D&a_id=d05a08af-d1d1-44e4-9be1-a5aa83f3e345&sortEntry=false better than this : http://www.lego.com/en-us/rebrick/view-entry?c_id=%7BD776AFA5-00A1-4F55-A7B3-6A07F5795B68%7D&a_id=21812d9c-df06-43a8-9ddd-9565f0bf2788&sortEntry=true

Who says I did?!

[Charbel]

So why this model is semi finalist and not my car ? Is there any logical reason ?

[Anio]

Jim, in which points do you consider this : http://www.lego.com/...sortEntry=false better than this : http://www.lego.com/...&sortEntry=true

No one does.

My point :

And almost as always, Technic contests organised by TLG failed in a way...

[Jim]

Okay guys, I think it's time to quit the "why is my entry not in the finals?". I have tried to explain the procedure and some simply didn't make it. I'm not the only jury so it wasn't just my decision. I understand that some of you are disappointed, but that's part of being in a contest. I'm really sorry, but I think it's time to move on.

By the way; this is a good example of why I seldomly cast my vote in an EB contest

[Techniccrack]

Quote: Okay guys, I think it's time to quit the "why is my entry not in the finals?". I have tried to explain the procedure and some simply didn't make it. I'm not the only jury so it wasn't just my decision. I understand that some of you are disappointed, but that's part of being in a contest".......

Right Jim.i totally agree

Edited August 9, 2016 by Techniccrack

[Victor Imaginator]

Agreed with Jim too. By the way, I'm not so disappointed. I got much support here on this forum while building, I'm glad that I finished my model and participate) It's fun contest, not a racing.

[brunojj1]

Agreed with Jim too. By the way, I'm not so disappointed. I got much support here on this forum while building, I'm glad that I finished my model and participate) It's fun contest, not a racing.

That´t the right approach with the right competitive spirit ! If I can´t win - I`m either not taking part at all or accept the decision and try do better next time. Let´s always try to derive something positive for ourself - the experience, exchange with others and encouragement of each other to not give away our dreams and visions to be fullfilled by our own beautiful minds and ugly hands !

[syclone]

What I can't understand is why a car without fenders and with tires streched around another type of wheel is better than a more realistic model made using legal techniques?? And both are 919 hybrid but the one that doesn't looks right is better than a more realistic one .

No offense, just my opinion.

[braker23]

Well, it's good to know I am not the only one that feels this competition took a wrong turn.

I built the only hybrid car in this contest, the only using a solar panel, one of the few prototypes, fully motorized, with loads of functions, good proportions and accurate details, yet it was not chosen in the final 20.

Can anyone tell me why?

See my topic here, pls share your thoughts: http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=138334

[technic_addict]

So why this model is semi finalist and not my car ? Is there any logical reason ?

Sometimes the world is not logical.

If you make some instructions, I would gladly pay a fee to build one for myself.

[brickphisto]

Sometimes the world is not logical.

If you make some instructions, I would gladly pay a fee to build one for myself.

And so would I!

[TheMindGarage]

I've really liked the unique usage of an element as a gear for the headlight. But in all fairness, the Porsche 914 is modeled after an existing vehicle, not as original as the 6 wheeler racer: OTR-666 for example! That one should be a top 5, if not the winner. The OTR-666, V8, Cayenne concept, Mission E, Black & grey Prototype were my favorites, but I am not a judge. For the sake of full disclosure: my entry was the Roadster - completely different from the others, but still carrying the design elements of a Porsche - original, demonstrating an understanding of Porsche brand design, fitting the competition theme and have a Technic look.

It wasn't modelled after the 914. It was a cross between the 911 and 918, both in appearance and in functionality. So I averaged the model numbers.

I would probably have picked OTR-666 and Mission E as part of the list myself. But I'm not the judge...

My conclusion „functions above looks“ may not be correct in general, but was made regarding digital entries which did not qualify for next round because of their functions which were claimed to be „working“ and none of the judges can prove it.

Example:

Most inspired details and functions on the model (25%) real model X: 8/10; digital model Y: 0/10 (can´t be proven)

Overall coolness and originality (25%) real: 4/10; digital: 10/10

Summ up: real: 12 points; digital 10 points. Winner: real model.

My opinion about your 914.5 SpyTarg: your MOC doesn´t have more functions than any others, maybe you should take a second look at some others. “Understanding of the Porsche brand design and competition theme” can be found nowhere in the rough and squarish shapes of your car. Putting 2 different wheel caps / designs on one side of the car isn´t amazing at all, same for the headlights.

Anyway – many other people and I appreciated your contribution to the contest. You´re a winner if you have learned something!

Are you sure you've checked all the functions? 8 speed paddle-shift gearbox? Tuneable suspension? Full suspension geometry? 4-wheel steering? I can't remember any entry that exceeded that, but I might be wrong.

About the looks, I didn't have nearly enough pieces for 4 identical wheel caps, better headlights than a 24-tooth clutch gear or rounded shapes. That's what happens when you try to build from a collection made from a small TECHNIC excavator (42006?), a MINDSTORMS 31313, a MINDSTORMS Education Expansion Set, a 42043 and a couple of random old parts. No flex axles in that list, and very few curved panels. The most "Porsche" I could go is using a flat-6 engine in the rear, making the targa roof and approximating the headlights. Getting a 42056 would fix that, but since there's no way I can win one, I'll save the struggle (and money) of purchasing one and opt for the 42055 instead.

Well, it's good to know I am not the only one that feels this competition took a wrong turn.

I built the only hybrid car in this contest, the only using a solar panel, one of the few prototypes, fully motorized, with loads of functions, good proportions and accurate details, yet it was not chosen in the final 20.

Can anyone tell me why?

See my topic here, pls share your thoughts: http://www.eurobrick...howtopic=138334

Mine was also a hybrid (PF motor driving the front, piston engine in the rear). I think the judges had something against prototypes/concepts - not a single one got chosen in the top 20. If it was up to me, I'd FAVOUR prototype models (sticking to the "Dream Porsche" in the competition title).

[nk4002r]

I agree with Jim. I think it is fair to discuss the competition rules and judging process in general, but time has come to accept that the judges decision is final. Jim has gone above and beyond to assist us to gain closure, he has demonstrated that all judges acted in good faith and done their best to be fair and impartial.

I personally feel that Lego as a company has let us down, they have provided too little guidance and clarity in their rules. Watch the

again, they spoke about a dream car, but then mentioned that any historical car, existing or future cars qualify, entirely up to you. I've misinterpreted the criteria and concluded that an original car design would rate higher on 2 points and didn't realize from the rules that digital models receive a mandatory mark down. I feel that if I had taken the time to build, photograph and upload an entry, it should have been formally assessed, scored against all 4 criteria and I would have liked to receive a score back to know, how to improve in the future.

“In the beginning I looked around but couldn’t find the car I dreamed of, so I decided to build it myself.” - Ferry Porsche

Now you can go in the legendary footsteps of Ferry Porsche and build the Porsche of your dreams using LEGO bricks.

We are giving you complete creative freedom to build within the Porsche brand design and LEGO Technic look and feel.

Whether you prefer to build a sports car, a race car, a historical Porsche tractor, or another Porsche model we invite you to build the Porsche of your dreams with no limitation to a specific era or model type.

The judgement will be done in two stages, where first a panel of 3 expert LEGO Technic guest judges will select 20 semi-finalists, and later a panel of judges from LEGO Technic and Porsche will select one grand prize winner and nine runner-ups from the 20 semi-finalists.

In both stages, the judgement criteria will be:

• Overall coolness and originality (25%)
  
• Most inspired details and functions on the model (25%)
  
• Understanding of the Porsche brand design and competition theme (25%)
  
• Overall LEGO Technic look and feel of the model (25%)
  

Edited August 10, 2016 by nk4002r

[zux]

About the looks, I didn't have nearly enough pieces for 4 identical wheel caps, better headlights than a 24-tooth clutch gear or rounded shapes. That's what happens when you try to build from a collection made from a small TECHNIC excavator (42006?), a MINDSTORMS 31313, a MINDSTORMS Education Expansion Set, a 42043 and a couple of random old parts. No flex axles in that list, and very few curved panels. The most "Porsche" I could go is using a flat-6 engine in the rear, making the targa roof and approximating the headlights. Getting a 42056 would fix that, but since there's no way I can win one, I'll save the struggle (and money) of purchasing one and opt for the 42055 instead.

I understand you have limited amount of parts that came with the sets you have. But then there is Bricklink/BrickOwl you can use to purchase the parts you need/missing. It is not that hard these. In fact, for me it doesn't matter how many parts I have each MOC tends to require some parts I don't have.

[Techniccrack]

I did anything to get the parts i need for my model,

Like ZUX said. Brickowl, bricklink, ebay, a and a distrubitor in my area. indeed its not that hard.

[folo]

Thanks for the contest

Edited August 10, 2016 by folo

[Techniccrack]

it was nice yeah:)

Edited August 10, 2016 by Techniccrack

[Charbel]

If you make some instructions, I would gladly pay a fee to build one for myself.

Thanks ! I will try to do intructions before the end of August. Free for sure.

[Buddy010702]

I would probably have picked OTR-666 and Mission E as part of the list myself. But I'm not the judge...

What Mission E, mine?

About the looks, I didn't have nearly enough pieces for 4 identical wheel caps, better headlights than a 24-tooth clutch gear or rounded shapes. That's what happens when you try to build from a collection made from a small TECHNIC excavator (42006?), a MINDSTORMS 31313, a MINDSTORMS Education Expansion Set, a 42043 and a couple of random old parts. No flex axles in that list, and very few curved panels. The most "Porsche" I could go is using a flat-6 engine in the rear, making the targa roof and approximating the headlights. Getting a 42056 would fix that, but since there's no way I can win one, I'll save the struggle (and money) of purchasing one and opt for the 42055 instead.

I was at that point at one time too, although I've build up my collection since that time. My collection is relatively new (nothing older than 2000, most above 2010) but just buy the sets that interest you, and you will slowly build up your collection. Brick built sets arn't bad either, my Mission E used quite a few bionicle teeth from the set 7978, a Atlantis set! But you also need to realise what your speciality is, some people like super cars, if your one of those people, the Porsche set would help, but if your more construction equipment, buy more of those sets. Don't fully base your Lego buys off your budget, sometime waiting to buy a certain set is better!

These are things I've learned, I hope this would help you!

[Jonfensu]

I thought the same as nk4002r when I saw that existing cars were allowed (it happened when Jim posted it here in the 2nd or 3rd page). The only thing that TLG should do, is make a formal statement apologizing for the confusion generated by misleading and ambiguous contest (I'm not getting tired to write those two words, misleading and ambiguous )

Also everyone deserve to know their final score, but that's for future contest.

About the looks, I didn't have nearly enough pieces for 4 identical wheel caps, better headlights than a 24-tooth clutch gear or rounded shapes. That's what happens when you try to build from a collection made from a small TECHNIC excavator (42006?), a MINDSTORMS 31313, a MINDSTORMS Education Expansion Set, a 42043 and a couple of random old parts. No flex axles in that list, and very few curved panels. The most "Porsche" I could go is using a flat-6 engine in the rear, making the targa roof and approximating the headlights. Getting a 42056 would fix that, but since there's no way I can win one, I'll save the struggle (and money) of purchasing one and opt for the 42055 instead

If you are worried about lacking panels and flex axles. Why are you going to buy the BWE? There are other sets with a lot of those pieces because with the BWE you will get 5x7 frames 15L beams, tracks and a ton of Pins/Axles . For less you can buy the 42039, 8070 or 9394 (Though in this case ordering those red (or even white) panels/flex axles are cheaper than buying a whole set) or buy 2x 42044 or 2x 42045. Anyway if you wanna discuss this, go here http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=88763&st=850 for the on topic sake