On 2-12-2016 at 8:03 PM, Viriatus said:

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On 12/2/2016 at 5:48 PM, Mr. President said:

What is this? Rational arguments in a Nexo Knights thread? You know that's not allowed!

I agree with you, and I appreciate your being the voice of reason. It's good to see that there are still a few AFOLs with an open mind.

That is a bit uncalled for in my opinion. There is a lot of disappointment for Historical and Castle fans when LEGO calls this theme a continuation of Castle. Most fans understand that this is targeted for kids, but when you cannot find any use for the parts in traditional builds, it is disappointing. I doubt it would be so bad if there was one historic theme going such as Pirates or Wild West.

Regarding the care and detail given to the villainous characters in a TV show, that is all well and good if you want to watch the show. I don't have to watch the show to have an opinion on them. In that case, my opinion is just based on printing on the minifig and part selection.

On 12/5/2016 at 9:31 AM, Blakstone said:

That is a bit uncalled for in my opinion. There is a lot of disappointment for Historical and Castle fans when LEGO calls this theme a continuation of Castle. Most fans understand that this is targeted for kids, but when you cannot find any use for the parts in traditional builds, it is disappointing. I doubt it would be so bad if there was one historic theme going such as Pirates or Wild West.

Regarding the care and detail given to the villainous characters in a TV show, that is all well and good if you want to watch the show. I don't have to watch the show to have an opinion on them. In that case, my opinion is just based on printing on the minifig and part selection.

I'm intrigued by your word choice. A "continuation" of Castle implies there's some sort of continuity, which in the Castle theme isn't really the case (although arguably, Nexo Knights could in fact qualify as such by virtue of its conceit as a sort of "alternate future" where feudal society and weaponry persisted into the far future even as technology advanced around them). But the evolution of the Castle theme since the '90s has been more of an iterative process, whereby the theme is completely reinvented every three or so years—from the pulpy, character-driven Knights Kingdom II, to the more traditional fantasy-based Fantasy Castle, to the more historical Kingdoms, to the 2015 Castle theme that was a very classic blend of history and fantasy. Viewed through that lens, Nexo Knights is just one more reinvention of the theme (albeit a much more extreme reimagining than any of its predecessors). And if the past is anything to go by, then after Nexo Knights ends the pendulum will most likely swing back toward something more traditional.

I do also have to question the idea that there's "no use for the parts in traditional builds". Sure, the futuristic armor and weapons might be hard to use in a more traditional Castle MOC, but not only are the vast majority of the villains monsters and demons that would feel just as at home in a more traditional fantasy setting, but there's been an abundance of great parts that are not just great for Castle MOCs but for any number of themes (examples include this, this, or this).

Funny. I find 2016 THE YEAR of the Castle.
We get not one or two. but SIX castles. And even HUGE fantasy baddie castle! FINALLY.
We get one of the best Castle figures from CMF and great pieces from Disney Series
We get that cool classic promo set

We get a lot of new amazing  new grey/black/ark grey pieces as well.

So HAPPY 2016! :D

Edited December 7, 20168 yr by Lordofdragonss

19 hours ago, Lyichir said:

...whereby the theme is completely reinvented every three or so years—from the pulpy, character-driven Knights Kingdom II...

Right. And there are legions of fans of KKII collecting and building with that theme's aesthetic, right?

*crickets

Oh yeah. Never mind.

 

History will prove this out, just like it did with KKII. Based on the overall look, parts and minifigs, 10 years from now Nexo will be at the bottom of most people's spares bucket with a tiny sliver of people that like it out of nostalgia because they were 8 when it came out.

 

And people speak of the pendulum swinging back the other way, and I agree that it's a definite likelyhood, but at that point we will have gone what, 8 or 10 years since we were offered a widely-agreed upon high-quality castle theme?

 

Everyone has a right to like what they like, and I don't care if you or anyone else finds value in Nexo Knights. Conversely, we here who do not see the value in that theme have just as much right to lament the lack of product to get excited about.

3 hours ago, SirBlake said:

History will prove this out, just like it did with KKII. Based on the overall look, parts and minifigs, 10 years from now Nexo will be at the bottom of most people's spares bucket with a tiny sliver of people that like it out of nostalgia because they were 8 when it came out.

I mean, "nostalgia" is one of the only reasons to like any older themes. Let's not kid ourselves, Lego design is constantly evolving, and apart from nostalgia or dissatisfaction with current products, there's very little reason for anyone to seek out any retired theme when newer and more advanced models are readily available. But if you want, I'd be willing to bet that Nexo Knights WILL in fact be remembered much more fondly than Knights' Kingdom II sets (which unlike Nexo Knights sets were heavily simplified for younger builders)—especially if Lego never takes such a bold, experimental direction with Castle again. Sure, Castle purists may hate it and continue to hate it until the end of time, but I believe the vast majority of Lego fans aren't that small-minded as to discount a theme's merits entirely just because it doesn't fit neatly into one category or another.

No one is discounting the merits of NK because it doesn't fit entirely in 1 category, but rather because they don't like it, or it simply doesn't offer what they want. I don't want wacky castles or armies, I want normal ones. I have no use for most of the parts in NK. None of the other castles (from other themes) released recently have useful minifigs for armies, so I would be in the camp that is waiting for NK to finish so that "real" castles & armies can be released, since it stands in the way of something that would be in my interest. That's not small-minded, that's "TLG is not currently catering to my interests" and "NK offers very little value-for-money for my interests".

On 07/12/2016 at 7:51 PM, SirBlake said:

Everyone has a right to like what they like, and I don't care if you or anyone else finds value in Nexo Knights. Conversely, we here who do not see the value in that theme have just as much right to lament the lack of product to get excited about.

 

 

There is a difference between lamenting the lack of Classic Castle and knocking Nexo Knights. I doubt it is the fault of the Nexo Knights theme that there are no current Classic Castle sets. It wouldn't surprise me that if Nexo Knights went away, there would still be no Classic Castle.

On 08/12/2016 at 3:22 AM, Artanis I said:

No one is discounting the merits of NK because it doesn't fit entirely in 1 category, but rather because they don't like it, or it simply doesn't offer what they want. I don't want wacky castles or armies, I want normal ones. I have no use for most of the parts in NK. None of the other castles (from other themes) released recently have useful minifigs for armies, so I would be in the camp that is waiting for NK to finish so that "real" castles & armies can be released, since it stands in the way of something that would be in my interest. That's not small-minded, that's "TLG is not currently catering to my interests" and "NK offers very little value-for-money for my interests".

 

 

Presumably there is a reason that Lego doesn't want any "real" castle sets at the moment. Is it just that Nexo Knights is out? Probably not, given how long it has been since there was a "real" theme. For the 2013 theme, there were complaints of being too junior, 2012 Joust was well accepted but didn't seem to sell that well (always on sale), MVR etc from 2011 seemed to be accepted as OK but no castle (and again on sale a lot).

Then there is the recent Castle chess set, again needing to be discounted by lego to shift it, so presumably there is little market for realistic armies in lego's view if people are not buying that.

 

Edited December 9, 20168 yr by MAB

18 hours ago, Lyichir said:

the vast majority of Lego fans aren't that small-minded as to discount a theme's merits entirely just because it doesn't fit neatly into one category or another.

Distaste for a theme does not equal "small-minded" and quite frankly, it's insulting and inflammatory to say so. 

 

You like it. Great. I hate it and I have my reasons, none of which are because I'm "small-minded". 

3 hours ago, SirBlake said:

Distaste for a theme does not equal "small-minded" and quite frankly, it's insulting and inflammatory to say so. 

 

You like it. Great. I hate it and I have my reasons, none of which are because I'm "small-minded". 

Nowhere in my post did I say you had to like Nexo Knights. But assuming that because as a Castle purist you don't personally like Nexo Knights, the theme will be completely forgotten apart from diehard fans within a few years after its discontinuation? Yeah, that does seem a little small-minded to me.

Keep in mind that the market for Lego, up to and including themes like Nexo Knights, is larger than it's ever been. And today's kids will inevitably become tomorrow's AFOLs. As such, I would not be surprised to see high-quality themes from today like Ninjago or Nexo Knights remembered as fondly if not moreso than themes from my childhood like Adventurers, Rock Raiders, or Bionicle, or stretching back further, themes from older fans' childhoods like classic space and classic castle. It's not unlikely that certain Nexo Knights parts, sets, and figures will be sought-after commodities the way that many classic parts, sets, and figures are today. And yes, I do expect that someday far in the future we'll probably be seeing AFOLs building "Neo-Nexo Knights" MOCs the same way we see MOCs based around older themes like M-Tron or Ice Planet 2002 or Rock Raiders or Forestmen.

13 hours ago, Lyichir said:

Keep in mind that the market for Lego, up to and including themes like Nexo Knights, is larger than it's ever been. And today's kids will inevitably become tomorrow's AFOLs. As such, I would not be surprised to see high-quality themes from today like Ninjago or Nexo Knights remembered as fondly if not moreso than themes from my childhood like Adventurers, Rock Raiders, or Bionicle, or stretching back further, themes from older fans' childhoods like classic space and classic castle. It's not unlikely that certain Nexo Knights parts, sets, and figures will be sought-after commodities the way that many classic parts, sets, and figures are today. And yes, I do expect that someday far in the future we'll probably be seeing AFOLs building "Neo-Nexo Knights" MOCs the same way we see MOCs based around older themes like M-Tron or Ice Planet 2002 or Rock Raiders or Forestmen.

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I agree here. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Nexo-Knights is the Classic Space of 2040.

Yeah, in general, the AFOL community often surprises me with how fondly even weak, short-lived themes are remembered. I guess perhaps it's not so apparent in the Castle community (I rarely see much nostalgia for, say, Fright Knights, aside from people fondly recalling the enormous height of Night Lord's Castle), but in the Space/Sci-Fi/Action-Adventure side of the AFOL community I see way more nostalgia for themes like UFO, Insectoids, and Rock Raiders than their late 90s designs alone would seem to merit.

Compared to those themes, Nexo Knights already has some not-insignificant advantages: more detailed and complex set designs, a longer lifespan, and a more developed multimedia story. Perhaps its biggest disadvantage compared to those themes, nostalgia-wise, might be existing in a time period when there are so many other well-designed sets and themes to choose from, rather than a period when LEGO designs in general were in decline.

But anyway, I think this talk about "how well will Nexo Knights be remembered when it's gone?" is getting kinda off track… after all, Lyi's comment about Knights' Kingdom II was never about whether or not it was fondly remembered. It was just as an example of the way Castle tends to be largely reinvented every three years instead of having a more linear, straightforward continuity like, say, Ninjago.

On 12/7/2016 at 8:36 AM, Lordofdragonss said:

Funny. I find 2016 THE YEAR of the Castle.
We get not one or two. but SIX castles. And even HUGE fantasy baddie castle! FINALLY.
We get one of the best Castle figures from CMF and great pieces from Disney Series
We get that cool classic promo set

We get a lot of new amazing  new grey/black/ark grey pieces as well.

So HAPPY 2016! :D

This comment kinda got overlooked but I agree, there have been a lot of castles and castle-ish sets this year. There have arguably been more than six castles if you count the Minecraft Fortress. And that's not even getting into things like the ongoing glut of LEGO dragons or the many other sorts of medieval fantasy buildings available from LEGO Elves. Next year doesn't seem to be offering quite as many castles from the get-go (of what's been announced so far, I think it's just the two new versions of Elsa's ice palace from Frozen), but I suppose that's alright considering many of this year's castles are probably going to remain available through next year (plus, we still have little idea what to expect in summer 2017).

Before anyone takes this the wrong way this is not an indictment of those who feel sets like Jestro's Volcano Lair, Ragana's Magic Shadow Castle, or King Pig's Castle don't fit the feel of their LEGO Castle universes. Some people might have no use for these sets except as parts packs, others might have no use for them at all. However, it remains true that 1) there's a lot of types of castle to choose from, 2) kids still seem to love castles as a concept, 3) plenty of useful castle parts are still in production, and 4) the design standards official LEGO castle sets will probably continue to evolve even in lieu of an ongoing capital-C Castle theme. There are plenty of LEGO themes whose fans have had to make do with less than this.

I dislike the NK theme as a whole. I understand the marketing principle behind it, but felt robbed of the Castle themes that I had loved since a child and now in my middle adulthood. I hopefully expect it to pass (unfortunately in some years), so the new Castle theme pops and enthrall all of our hearts. 

On 11/4/2016 at 4:04 PM, Svendp said:

I don't like nexo either, but as stated above already, this is ment for kids. I would love to see an expert level castle series (like we have the modulars). 

On 11/30/2016 at 4:51 PM, broomhandle said:

I have to agree with the 1st comment, It is for Kids. And Castle Legos do not sell like Disney star wars etc.. Lego also did Chima, and Ninjago... I have kids and all the friends only like ninjago. most kids did not like Chima, and look how well that turned out...

Yes, Nexo Knights (and LEGO in general) are for kids.  All themes (including Castle themes) have always been for kids.  But using that to excuse Nexo Knights is a cop-out.  It's insulting to kids, as if they can't appreciate something more mature like Kingdoms and are only drawn to the flashy candy colors of themes like Nexo Knights, which is not the case.

That said, Nexo Knights may appeal to a larger general audience of children by pandering to the lowest common denominator.  I understand that, but it means focusing on the dollar at the expense of real quality.  I'm not sure people understand that.

Will there be AFOLs building Nexo Knight MOCs in 15-20 years?  Sure.  I wish that wasn't the case because I find it to be an ugly aesthetic, but to each their own.

Or not.  Saying 'to each their own' implies that there is something for people like me, SirBlake, Blakstone, and other Castle fans.  But there is no real Castle theme now, and there likely will not be one until Nexo Knights has finally ended.

3 hours ago, x105Black said:

Yes, Nexo Knights (and LEGO in general) are for kids.  All themes (including Castle themes) have always been for kids.  But using that to excuse Nexo Knights is a cop-out.  It's insulting to kids, as if they can't appreciate something more mature like Kingdoms and are only drawn to the flashy candy colors of themes like Nexo Knights, which is not the case.

That said, Nexo Knights may appeal to a larger general audience of children by pandering to the lowest common denominator.  I understand that, but it means focusing on the dollar at the expense of real quality.  I'm not sure people understand that.

Will there be AFOLs building Nexo Knight MOCs in 15-20 years?  Sure.  I wish that wasn't the case because I find it to be an ugly aesthetic, but to each their own.

Or not.  Saying 'to each their own' implies that there is something for people like me, SirBlake, Blakstone, and other Castle fans.  But there is no real Castle theme now, and there likely will not be one until Nexo Knights has finally ended.

Seriously, your entire comment smacks of the worst kind of AFOL elitism. Creating a toy that is beloved by a wider number of children isn't "pandering to the lowest common denominator"—it's just good design to try to make products that appeal to as many people as possible. Similarly, "flashy candy colors" are not necessarily a bad thing, and I personally much prefer them to the typically dull, drab colors of color-starved themes like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. And for crying out loud, Nexo Knights sets do have "real quality"! They're intricately designed and generally have great shaping and functionality—frankly, it's insulting to the hard work of the designers in Billund to pretend as if their sets are worse by some objective measure that you and only you can judge. If you can't find anything to enjoy about today's sets, that's a darn shame. But blaming Lego for your own absurdly high standards is a cheap way to justify your own bitterness.

From an aesthetic point the theme drags a lot, an awefull lot of sets looks very similar with a few exception in year 2 ( 70353 and 70361 ), big wheeled vehicle with a color associated with the knight and their weapon. And to be fair year 2 Nexo Knights villains color palette is even more drab than Star Wars, I'm looking at you 70352.

The quality is good, I don't know if kids love it or not, but I don't see this theme going full Ninjago on us, let's see if the sales justifies this theme going any further than after year 2. 

I like this year's sets even less. I will just BL some new villain minifigs, but probably wouldn't use them for much.

On 2/25/2017 at 2:39 PM, x105Black said:

Will there be AFOLs building Nexo Knight MOCs in 15-20 years?  Sure.  I wish that wasn't the case because I find it to be an ugly aesthetic, but to each their own.

Or not.  Saying 'to each their own' implies that there is something for people like me, SirBlake, Blakstone, and other Castle fans.  But there is no real Castle theme now, and there likely will not be one until Nexo Knights has finally ended.

Do you honestly think your temporary disappointment matters more than anybody else's? There's no underwater or underground or secret agent or western or viking or pirate or space themes right now, either. There's not even an ongoing fantasy action figure theme right now besides Star Wars. Do you think as a Bionicle fan I'm not frustrated by that? But I deal.

And there are loads of great sets out there for Castle fans if they'd just step outside the myopic bubble of what they consider "true Castle". Even if we ignore Nexo Knights sets, Elves is loaded with great fantasy adventure sets like an inn, shops, castles, dragons, etc. Seriously, when's the last time the Castle theme included an inn? Ninjago lacks a lot of European medieval fantasy fare, but has great sets with classical Asian-styled architecture, brilliant dragons, and fantastical villains and monsters that could fit nicely into a swords-and-sorcery setting. The Disney theme has a wealth of different fantasy castles, including the Disney Castle itself, the biggest LEGO castle set there's ever been. Continuing to insist that there's nothing for Castle fans today is just being obstinate.

Judging from the way LEGO castle tends to be re-imagined every three years like clockwork, I'm pretty confident there will be a "real" Castle theme again in 2019 or so after Nexo Knights ends. It's not a long time to wait in the grand scheme of things. You guys made it way longer without an AFOL-approved Castle theme in the early naughts. In the meantime, maybe think about expanding your idea of what sets can be useful to you so you don't continue to set yourself up for disappointment any time LEGO takes a few years to try something new and different?

21 hours ago, RetroInferno said:

From an aesthetic point the theme drags a lot, an awefull lot of sets looks very similar with a few exception in year 2 ( 70353 and 70361 ), big wheeled vehicle with a color associated with the knight and their weapon. And to be fair year 2 Nexo Knights villains color palette is even more drab than Star Wars, I'm looking at you 70352.

How is this more drab than this or this or this? Star Wars does have some brightly-colored sets (especially in the Rebels sets), but I wouldn't call them the norm.

That said, I think your point kind of gets to something else I was going to say to x105Black, which is that Nexo Knights does not in any way imply that kids can't like sets in neutral colors, or that LEGO believes they can't. From the very beginning, the bad guy vehicles in Nexo Knights have used colors like grey, black, and brown extensively. Kids and adults alike can enjoy sets with neutral colors, sets with bright colors, or sets with neutral and bright colors together. And none of those color schemes are inherently less mature than others. It doesn't disrespect kids to have sets that emphasize bright colors over neutrals. But it disrespects kids and adults alike to call brightly-colored sets "immature" and call people who like them the "lowest common denominator".

14 hours ago, Artanis I said:

I like this year's sets even less. I will just BL some new villain minifigs, but probably wouldn't use them for much.

I was not very excited for the sets for the first half of the year, besides the Battle Suits, but I'm really excited for some of the stuff coming in the second half, especially the Knighton Castle and all the big brick-built monsters! Like Jestro's lair or the Fortrex, the new castle feels more like an actual livable space than any castle from the actual Castle theme ever has. And this is not a recent problem, since before 2000 it was rare for LEGO castles to even include so much as a treasury or throne room.

I hope that when Castle DOES come back (which it will), it will at least take some cues from Nexo Knights in this respect, because I'm fed up with "true" LEGO castles being purely action-focused and not having anything for the king and his knights to do when they're not out fighting.

Edited February 26, 20178 yr by Aanchir

5 hours ago, Aanchir said:

I'm fed up with "true" LEGO castles being purely action-focused and not having anything for the king and his knights to do when they're not out fighting.

That's what City & Friends are for (cliche regrettable ).

I say let knights be knights.

I don't think this theme is bad.  I love fantasy/castle, Vikings, pirates, and star wars.  It's not my favorite theme either but I do think it is creative and fun.  The minifigs are excellent and I find the sets fun.  The colors are fine and the quality is good.  My youngest son loves the theme and the show.  I think lego created something new and fun that the kids like.  My two sons also love Ninjago and still like the show and the sets.  It will be interesting to see where this theme goes but they have definitely done a great job with the villains.  I know a lot of people are upset that there is no real castle theme but like others have said pirates, space, or western themes get done with long breaks between releases.  I don't like some sets out there either but I buy the ones I do like or ones I can use parts for MOC's.  I think people just need to find the whatever they like and go with that and not complain about sets  you don't like.  Find some sets that you do like that you can use and be happy.  The negativity on these forums gets out of control some times.  Why cant we all be happy this is supposed to be a site to bring people together that all have the love of lego in common not why we hate things.  Instead we should be enjoying the hobby we all love. 

They should do a Nexo Knight goes back 2,000 years theme.  Re-envision them back in medieval Europe.  I see a giant waste of great space elements in Nexo Knights.  At least there was Benny's spaceship for classic space :)

On 2/25/2017 at 3:52 PM, Lyichir said:

 

Seriously, your entire comment smacks of the worst kind of AFOL elitism. Creating a toy that is beloved by a wider number of children isn't "pandering to the lowest common denominator"—it's just good design to try to make products that appeal to as many people as possible. Similarly, "flashy candy colors" are not necessarily a bad thing, and I personally much prefer them to the typically dull, drab colors of color-starved themes like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. And for crying out loud, Nexo Knights sets do have "real quality"! They're intricately designed and generally have great shaping and functionality—frankly, it's insulting to the hard work of the designers in Billund to pretend as if their sets are worse by some objective measure that you and only you can judge. If you can't find anything to enjoy about today's sets, that's a darn shame. But blaming Lego for your own absurdly high standards is a cheap way to justify your own bitterness.

I really the color scheme, and to further your point, LEGO has been using "flashy colors" on their space themes for a long, long time now. I've never seen such hostility towards orange before!

 

I personally like space and castle the best. If I look at NEXO through the lens of "these are castle" sets, they do nothing for me, and are hideous even, as a gut reaction,

 

BUT if I ignore the minifigures for a minute and view them as "space" sets, suddenly I get all excited and they look interesting.

 

This I think shows that expectations and biases are at the root of a lot of the hostility towards these sets. I am not immune to my biases either, but due to my unique likes I find them both ugly and awesome at once. This tells me the designers where indeed onto something.

 

I would have loved these as a kid and I'm pretty girly. So I could def see how little boys would like this too.

 

Additionally, whenever new stuff disapoints, I just buy old stuff and make MOCs or just add to the collection. It seems that a lot of people forget you are allowed to do that.

 

Edited February 27, 20178 yr by Criosphynx

The target of the castle theme is overlap, so maybe we need to wait after the Nexo Knights theme...

This situation just like

• Lone Ranger & Western theme
• Pirates of Caribbean  & Pirates
• LOTR & Castle
• Scooby Doo & Monster Fighters

Edited February 27, 20178 yr by rkastar

On 25/02/2017 at 7:39 PM, x105Black said:

That said, Nexo Knights may appeal to a larger general audience of children by pandering to the lowest common denominator.  I understand that, but it means focusing on the dollar at the expense of real quality.  I'm not sure people understand that.
 

 

Nexo Knights isn't the lowest common denominator. It is inventive, it is something not been done before (by lego). There is also a lot of quality in the sets. Some of the builds and play features are clever. Just because you don't like something it doesn't mean it is low quality.

On 25/02/2017 at 7:39 PM, x105Black said:

Will there be AFOLs building Nexo Knight MOCs in 15-20 years?  Sure.  I wish that wasn't the case because I find it to be an ugly aesthetic, but to each their own.

Or not.  Saying 'to each their own' implies that there is something for people like me, SirBlake, Blakstone, and other Castle fans.  But there is no real Castle theme now, and there likely will not be one until Nexo Knights has finally ended.

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I find it funny how you use "each to their own" twice. In the first case you say "each to their own" about people building Nexo Knights MOCs in future. And then not "each to their own" as you cannot buy classic castle now. Those MOC building NK fans in the future will not be able to buy NK sets (at retail), they will have to MOC based on old parts and sets. Yet you then say there is nothing for you now, despite a large back-catalogue of sets and parts suitable for classic castle. This is exactly what you expect future NK MOC-building fans to rely on, a back-catalogue of NK focussed parts. You have way more to draw on now than the NK fans of the future. 

Would I like to see more classic castle style sets? Sure. But I don't want LEGO to churn out the same old stuff every year. I like the fact that they are doing something different. Although before they go back to the mainly European focussed classic castle, I'd prefer they did another era and/or another location.

3 hours ago, rkastar said:

The target of the castle theme is overlap, so maybe we need to wait after the Nexo Knights theme...

This situation just like

• LOTR & Castle

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LOTR (and The Hobbit) and Castle were not mutually exclusive. There were sets like Dragon Mountain and King's Castle out at the same time as LOTR.

15 hours ago, Artanis I said:

That's what City & Friends are for (cliche regrettable ).

I say let knights be knights.

I guess for me knights can be knights on AND off the battlefield… even King Arthur's knights had a round table to gather at in between quests or battles.