Technic 2017 Set Discussion

[Cumulonimbus]

2 minutes ago, nguyengiangoc said:

@Cumulonimbus I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about "movable lights" in the description of 42070, not 42068. THere's no PF expansion for 42070.

Ok, I'm confused now. The US version of the Lego website state the following:

42068: "Upgrade with the 8293 LEGO® Power Functions set (not included) for a motorized boom and working warning beacons."

42070: "Also features large chunky tires, heavy-duty bull bar with chain and hook, movable lights and a detailed driver’s cab with opening doors."

Conclusion: I have no idea what I was talking about. The 42068 will not have lights on the arm, but "warning beacons". The mystery of the "movable lights" of the 42070 continues. Apologies

[suffocation]

5 hours ago, rm8 said:

 Yes, new cars are not always better than previous.  I don't want to extend this discussion.

I just wanna say: relax your hobby, pay extra 20-30-50$ for quality product with excellent customer service, instead of complain on higher prices. TLG is not stupid: If they raise prices - theу have a reason for that, or they will loose money.

So your'e suggesting that as Lego lovers we should just bow our heads in shame and accept that Lego has almost doubled the average price per piece overnight. Great attitude. You go ahead and enjoy your moral supination.

[Globemaster8]

I think 42069 is a reasonable price, considering the piece count. I wish it had power functions though, which would have made it even better value for money and making the functions more interesting. That just shows how good a value a set the Claas was! 

[Qukie]

I checked the Polish descriptions and like the fact that Lego did not know how to translate the Mobile Research Base for 42069 and just said fvck it and went ahead and wrote 'xxx' 

https://shop.lego.com/pl-PL/Ekstremalna-przygoda-42069

Edited July 3, 2017 by Qukie

[Ngoc Nguyen]

I've just realized that 42069 is similar to 8110 Unimog in that both have suspensions and 4 wheel drive. However 42069 doesn't use ball joints. Any idea why?

[vale]

After I've read about the working warning beakons I searched a bit on google around and found a picture of the backside of the packaging of the 42068. There is a small picture on the lower right side that shows the two leds mounted on the roof between the mirrors facing forward. They are mounted on stud form each other. But I have to say that naming them beacons is a bit exagurated. If they are not at least blinking through a mechanism they are just two lights.

[M_longer]

2 hours ago, nguyengiangoc said:

However 42069 doesn't use ball joints. Any idea why?

Maybe because it does not need them? There's no torque from motors like in 9398 (which also used them). 42043 also did not used any ball joints, while having full suspension and R6 fake engine.

Edited July 3, 2017 by M_longer

[rm8]

6 hours ago, suffocation said:

So your'e suggesting that as Lego lovers we should just bow our heads in shame and accept that Lego has almost doubled the average price per piece overnight. Great attitude. You go ahead and enjoy your moral supination.

calm down

Sometimes people should understand business processes, but they think as consumers. Consumer only want to consume, consume and consume. And it seems that LEGO consumers are the smartest. But companies do not owe you anything: buy or good bye

you should also notice one moment, TLG do not count cost of each part in set and then, multiplying grand total, set the price. Usually there are some price levels, that they should fit with every set. Some sets are less profitable, and some more profitable.  42030 was a "present" for fans: set full of electric with such good price, but people start comparing this box of PF with every new set. Some sets are more economically succesfull in our eyes, some less. Try to live with that.

p.s. dear reader, you may not agree with me, I think we both can live with that. So let me leave my opinion with me, and leave your with you

Edited July 3, 2017 by rm8

[Globemaster8]

@rm8 couldn't agree more. 

[Aventador2004]

23 minutes ago, rm8 said:

calm down

Sometimes people should understand business processes, but they think as consumers. Consumer only want to consume, consume and consume. And it seems that LEGO consumers are the smartest. But companies do not owe you anything: buy or good bye

you should also notice one moment, TLG do not count cost of each part in set and then, multiplying grand total, set the price. Usually there are some price levels, that they should fit with every set. Some sets are less profitable, and some more profitable.  42030 was a "present" for fans: set full of electric with such good price, but people start comparing this box of PF with every new set. Some sets are more economically succesfull in our eyes, some less. Try to live with that.

p.s. dear reader, you may not agree with me, I think we both can live with that. So let me leave my opinion with me, and leave your with you

I can't agree more with the above, lego needs to get some profit, not just sell sets, plus, the designer needs payment too, and you all forgot the instruction manual! That is easily 20$ to the price. Don't forget, they need money to allow the consumer to "consume".

Please consider everything before ranting, and like @Jim said " you will probably get the sets cheaper later"

 

[rm8]

16 minutes ago, Aventador2004 said:

I can't agree more with the above, lego needs to get some profit, not just sell sets, plus, the designer needs payment too, and you all forgot the instruction manual! That is easily 20$ to the price. Don't forget, they need money to allow the consumer to "consume".

Please consider everything before ranting, and like @Jim said " you will probably get the sets cheaper later"

 

Oh, come on, don't merge "product cost" and "total expenses". If you don't want to pay anything except "product cost+some profit"- watch for copycats...pure production cost+ more margin than TLG have.

 

Hope this is not surprise for you "Significant investments were made in building capacity and capability to deliver the group’s long-term growth ambition". You also pay for that.

Edited July 3, 2017 by rm8

[Aventador2004]

1 minute ago, rm8 said:

Oh, come on, don't merge "product cost" and "total expenses". If you don't want to pay anything except "product cost+some profit"- watch for copycats...pure production cost+ more margin than TLG have

I will gladly pay for the 42069, since the price isn't jacked to the sky. The 42070 is a bit much to most people, but it works fine probably. People still bought the Porsche, while "overpriced" but wont pay the cheaper price for the 42070, with better components, + Pf parts.

[suffocation]

1 hour ago, rm8 said:

calm down

Sometimes people should understand business processes, but they think as consumers. Consumer only want to consume, consume and consume. And it seems that LEGO consumers are the smartest. But companies do not owe you anything: buy or good bye

you should also notice one moment, TLG do not count cost of each part in set and then, multiplying grand total, set the price. Usually there are some price levels, that they should fit with every set. Some sets are less profitable, and some more profitable.  42030 was a "present" for fans: set full of electric with such good price, but people start comparing this box of PF with every new set. Some sets are more economically succesfull in our eyes, some less. Try to live with that.

p.s. dear reader, you may not agree with me, I think we both can live with that. So let me leave my opinion with me, and leave your with you

Sure, Lego as a business can do whatever is in their best interest. I, as a long-time Lego user, can do the same, and since I would rather they kept their prices within reason (and please don't tell me the price of 42070 is within reason unless you can present a valid argument) I'm going to vent my disappointment to Lego themselves and on all the channels I can in the hope that something might change.

[valenciaeric]

Neither 42070 nor 42068 represent great value for money based on RRP, compared with RRP of many other recent Technic sets (except the Porsche 911). Will you be able to get them cheaper down the line? Of course, but RRP is the barometer shops use to give discounts, so 40% off 300 euros is not as good news as 40% off 200 euros.

Another point is that there is a 20 euro price difference between 42070 in certain countries.

I´ll wait for the reviews and the part lists before deciding whether to get any of them, irrespective of price.

 

[rm8]

42070 retail Price in Russia will be about 280-290 Euro. But we can buy it cheaper online for about 220 euro, if we can find it for 200 - that's a good deal, life is beatiful

Edited July 3, 2017 by rm8

[1gor]

7 hours ago, nguyengiangoc said:

I've just realized that 42069 is similar to 8110 Unimog in that both have suspensions and 4 wheel drive. However 42069 doesn't use ball joints. Any idea why?

This is actually because torque tubes were first used on Unimogs, and offroaders have susprnsion like 42069 (of course modern trucks ; even Unimog Implement Carrier but not Unimog offroader U4023-5023 who has torque tubes, JCB Fastrac tractors has suspension like 42069...) 

[1gor]

8 hours ago, valenciaeric said:

No centre diff for 42069, it seems.

Couls be, but thereis a V8 inside. BTW did anyone pay atention to fact that this is a year of boxer (actualy flat) engines 

- 42057 b model has flat 2 cylinder engine,

- 42063 BMW bike has flat 2 cylinder engine

- Aniversary chassis has flat 4 cylinder engine

- 42068 fire truck has 4 cylinder flat engine

-42070 b model has 4 cylinder flat engine...

[Vectormatic]

10 hours ago, I_Igor said:

Couls be, but thereis a V8 inside. BTW did anyone pay atention to fact that this is a year of boxer (actualy flat) engines 

- 42057 b model has flat 2 cylinder engine,

- 42063 BMW bike has flat 2 cylinder engine

- Aniversary chassis has flat 4 cylinder engine

- 42068 fire truck has 4 cylinder flat engine

-42070 b model has 4 cylinder flat engine...

imho, the 42057 A model should have had a flat-2 as well, i modded mine to that layout, as boxer engines are much more common in airplane applications then Inlines, especially I2 (which is a rather unbalanced layout)

[tohan]

2H 2017 sets are also available on the french Lego site, although they will not ship before August 1st.  

42068 - 89,99 €

42069 - 144,99 €

42070 - 259,99 €

[1gor]

12 hours ago, vectormatic said:

imho, the 42057 A model should have had a flat-2 as well, i modded mine to that layout, as boxer engines are much more common in airplane applications then Inlines, especially I2 (which is a rather unbalanced layout)

You're right about everything... light airplanes have aircooled angines and boxer or star configuration is best option for that purpose. Another usefull thing is that boxer engines need smallest ammount of cylinders to be fully balanced, so they do not need special contra-rotating shafts 

Edited July 4, 2017 by I_Igor

[Globemaster8]

Despite the fact that the engine in the light aircraft isn't in the correct configuration, it's a nice feature to see as it's something of a rarity on technic aircraft sets (apart from the fire plane from a few years ago). 

[Ngoc Nguyen]

So 42068 has 1094 parts. I was like whattt... It doesn't look like it has 1000 parts. 

Edited July 4, 2017 by nguyengiangoc

[Aventador2004]

43 minutes ago, nguyengiangoc said:

So 42068 has 1094 parts. I was like whattt... It doesn't look like it has 1000 parts. 

What! That is a excellent price, and IMO the best priced set in 2h 2017.

[TechnicRCRacer]

I've decided to wait on 42070. I am getting 42069 instead. 

[1gor]

 

Smart decision