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Chade

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Chade Enthusiast

Chade

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Hi there guys,

I've just been alerted to a Germany Ebay user selling other people's MOC's at quite a high price. This includes quite a few of Madoca's models, Agrof's Class Buggy, my Mini Truck, and I think metulskie8 Classic Car

Name: Legotechnicwelt4

http://www.ebay.de/s...=p2047675.l2562

I'm not good on ebay, can someone tell me how to report and remove this page?

Thanks!

J_C Community Regular

J_C

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There is report button if you open his account (click on his feedback number behing his name) - on ebay.de it will be probably not "report" but "melden". That is to report the user.

Then there would be options why you are reporting - piracy, counterfeit etc is the one you should find and explain in report and send.

Also you can report the item itself (right up corner under pictures, headlines etc - where actual listing descripiton starts) there is "report" or "melden" on ebay.de.

brunojj1 Proficient

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This makes me feel angry and sad too, thanks anyway for your notice. His ebay account is new, but I remember having seen his “portfolio” somewhere else (or is it a new “smart” one?). Such guys are criminal scum without any moral or talent, needless to say that such a person is one of the worst enemies of this community! I´ve made the shocking discovery, that his location is Herford – it´s near my home town :angry: ! And I´m really tempted to make a test buy to find out his address and come over there to beat him up!! Not sure how to deal with it if my personal copyrights are not affected, but according to German strict copyright laws it´s possible to persecute him on legal basis. Feels bad that nobody will do it because it´s not worth the court costs…

EDIT: I´ve reported all of Madoca´s creations saying "copiright issue" and telling them who the author is.

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Dafgek81 Experienced

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Are we getting another topic about this?

It has been discussed so many times before, the answer remains the same.

Is it wrong? Yes

Should someone make abuse of someone else his or hers kindness? No

But there is a risk in putting up instructions for free or for sell.

So this will stay a problem untill people become honest.

agrof Mentor

agrof

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I put "watermark" in my instructions, that it may not spreaded for money. Maybe we should add it on all pages/photos from now on. Of course this didn't stop this user...

I reported all articles, and asked about them. Hopefully it will be showed up below the description soon, so no more ebayer will be trapped.

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J_C Community Regular

J_C

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Are we getting another topic about this?

It has been discussed so many times before, the answer remains the same.

Is it wrong? Yes

Should someone make abuse of someone else his or hers kindness? No

But there is a risk in putting up instructions for free or for sell.

So this will stay a problem untill people become honest.

that is not a question, we all know it.

question was - how to report it.

Bartybum Mentor

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find out his address and come over there to beat him up!!

LOOK BUDDY, NO. Violence most definitely NOT a reasonable solution.

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Chade Enthusiast

Chade

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Thanks for your responses everyone, it looks like it's been taken down.

Brunojj1, I love your passion but yeah, violence might be a wee bit too far... :classic:

Littleworlds Mentor

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I put "watermark" in my instructions, that it may not spreaded for money. Maybe we should add it on all pages/photos from now on.

An excellent idea. It takes little time, but gets the message across to everyone who happened to buy one to take steps. Definitely worth to spread the word! :thumbup:

agrof Mentor

agrof

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Thanks Chade for warning, I think we should track such issues here. I will keep on scanning Ebay time to time, and report these.

Funny, it was just happening as I found another (??) user with Madoca's and Nico71's instructions - again from Herford, Germany. I sent a message to him and asked him not to do this in the future (auf deutsch), and in the next minute the questionable items disappeared. We will see.

Please note, that there are examples where somebody has created CAD pdf building instructions based on photo instructions. There is also credit to designer and so on. In such cases I don't see any problem, if somebody took the effort and there is added value behind.

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brunojj1 Proficient

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I´m not affected myself, yet breaking lances for others. Does anybody care who is affected?? If not, I´m out of this discussion, sorry.

@agrof: I totally agree that we should be aware and at least try to chase them down. Of course it´s not possible on the long run, but should we surrender before this stupid parasites? It´s not funny at all, same case with YT video thiefs recently exposed by Sariel. There is a big problem though with making profit with others´ work, regardless how much more valuable CAD instructions are compared to foto sequence or LDD. Is there an agreement with the designer? In the above bespoken case obviously not. You mentioned examples of CAD instructions - would you please be more precise? Do you know the instructions maker?

agrof Mentor

agrof

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I have explained to this user(s), that a whole community has an eye on ebay, and we will report such items without giving further warning in the future. ( I hope, I am not the only one there.) I also kindly asked to respect the intellectual properties in general.

CAD instructions, f.e.:

there is only photo sequence instructions available. Somebody doesn't like it much for some reasons (understandable), and prefer to have proper LEGO like CAD based pdf instructions.

He/she builds a CAD model and creates step-by-step instructions. There is effort and added value then. Of course in such cases it is still nice to contact the original authors as well, and to give credits. :classic:

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2LegoOrNot2Lego... Experienced

2LegoOrNot2Lego...

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Are we getting another topic about this?

Please let us never get used to injustice wether it is physical or in cyber space... Maybe a little strong but when someone got robbed we should not say something like this either: "not again, do we really have to complain whenever this happens, just get used to it!"...no we should not get used to it and yes we do have to complain whenever this happens!!! :thumbup: In the end justice justice will prevail... :classic:

It is always good to share injustice and together make this stop, even though we know it will popup again somewhere else later in time! That is for sure, but should never stop us from being astonished...

Just MHO... :wink:

edit: typo

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dr_spock Grand Master

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Not really for this, but somebody made an app only for Piterx's Vitara instructions : here

They did said it is his model.

That's interesting idea to get around PDFs. I guess they can also make extra money if they put ads into the free app.

dragofoscar Contributor

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I also recognised a seller on "ebay kleinanzeigen" and reported it immediately (offering instructions from madoca). The offer disapeared soon after. I will report it again and agian.

Think this is the only way to deal with it.

I am so greatful for the free instructions of all the professional MOC builder !

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agrof Mentor

agrof

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Thanks for watching guys!

Hi guys,

here is another one selling instructions from madocca on eBay: http://www.ebay.at/i...STRK:MEBIDX:IT.

I've reported him, maybe other can chime in as well.

I am not sure about this, this is typically the case, what I have described above (CAD-pdf made based on photo instructions). There is added value, which can be evaluated, but of course there is the question, if this person has the approval from Madoca.

If yes, I see no problem with this item. But probably the answer is no, as Madoca's name is nowhere referred... so the copyright issue seems to be valid. :sceptic:

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Stash2Sixx Grand Master

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Are we getting another topic about this?

It has been discussed so many times before, the answer remains the same.

Is it wrong? Yes

Should someone make abuse of someone else his or hers kindness? No

But there is a risk in putting up instructions for free or for sell.

So this will stay a problem untill people become honest.

YES. Yes we are, and you know what, I am fine with this. Of course, a single topic with an index of known thieves/scumbags would be better, but you can bet I'm not going to do that. Keep on reporting it and talking about this kind of behavior people, this is what gets the message out. any further issues, or that user magically appears here on EB one day, don't hesitate to send myself or another admin a link in a PM and we will deal with it swiftly.

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