Hi everyone,

I am fairly new to this forum as a member but have been reading here from time to time for a couple of years now. So I'm sorry if this has been asked before and I did not see it:

Whenever a great Model Team moc is removed from the Technic to the the Special Themes/Creator forum I wonder where the thin line is between Model Team and Creator Expert style. Recently most Model Team models have been removed. That's the reason why we hardly see any here in the Technic forum. But some like Edwin's great ships are not removed although there is hardly any difference in building style considering the techniques used. There was even a Model Team contest two years ago. Looking back at the entries all of them could have been removed to the Special Themes/Creator forum.

So why do some mocs get removed and some don't?

I am asking not to cause any trouble. There are great and very talented Model Team builders out there but most of the best of these don't post here on EB. That's a shame for EB which I consider the best forum for our hobby.

Imho the Technic forum seems to be the most suitable forum here on EB for these kinds of models. All of the Model Team mocs are vehicles just like most of the Technic mocs. Even if the vast majority of members reading the Technic forum are there for Technic mocs I feel that there still could be room for some Model Team models popping out from time to time here.

Looking forward to your opinions! Thanks for reading!

That´s a very good question and I had exactly the same thoughts recently. As far as I can tell the difference – Model Team creations (at least vehicles with wheels on them) do have steering and resemble accurate replicas of something and Creator models usually don´t. The Model Team line isn´t being produced anymore for a long time (which is very sad for most AFOLs).

Edwins ships fall into the category “from other planet” and the moderators still are struggling whether to send him back or create his own special theme … Seriously, his creations have moving parts and PF lights and so on – this is Model Team building at its best!

The main reason helping to distinguish between MT and Creator are functions. Creator models are made for looks, while Model Team have some functions. Like functional steering at least (if we are talking about vechicles).

I think the difference is functionality. For example, the 1:17 Ferrari LMP1 car (if you haven't seen it, you should - it's amazing) doesn't have any TECHNIC functions like steering/suspension, so it's more like Creator.

I think the difference is functionality. For example, the 1:17 Ferrari LMP1 car (if you haven't seen it, you should - it's amazing) doesn't have any TECHNIC functions like steering/suspension, so it's more like Creator.

You are right. All Creator Expert sets and most of these mocs sacrifice the steering functions for looks. But apart from that many of the models we are talking about have at least the same some even more functions like Model Team sets: opening doors, opening engine cover, removable parts etc.

Thanks @legophisto for your question and @brunojj1 for the great comments .

For many scaled builders is this a problem in what forum placed your creation, it's not complete Technic ore Model Team scale and sure not creator.

I have ask Jim to look with the other moderators if it's possible to get our own topic forum and they will look at it.

Edited September 17, 20168 yr by Edwin Korstanje

Thanks @legophisto for your ques ten and @brunojj1 for the great comments .

For many scaled builders is this a problem in what forum placed your creation, it's not complete Technic ore Model Team scale and sure not creator.

I have ask Jim to look with the other moderators if it's possible to get our own topic forum and they will look at it.

That is a great idea! Many thanks!

I just feel we should make the best builders post in the best forum. That might be the right way.

But apart from that many of the models we are talking about have at least the same some even more functions like Model Team sets: opening doors, opening engine cover, removable parts etc.

Minifigure scale models have all of these sometimes, but this doesn't make them Creator or Model Team model.

Minifigure scale models have all of these sometimes, but this doesn't make them Creator or Model Team model.

Right. But I think it's not just the steering either. It's more the scale, the deails, the functions and the fact that's a vehicle that makes it Model Team style. If the working steering was the one distinctive feature to make a model a Model Team model it would have been an essential criterion for the past Model Team contest.

I regard the Creator Expert theme as the new Model Team theme of "modern" Lego: studless and using many curved elements that were not available during the great Model team era.

So Edwin's suggestion to create a new theme on EB forums for scale modeling seems to be the right way for me.

I agree that newest Creator Expert models are sort of extension of an old Model Team idea.

What I believe Technic guys think modern Model Team should look like:

example 1

example 2

example 3

These are still brick build, but have something more than just opening hood and doors (not to mention steering).

I have spoken to Edwin about this matter. I will respond shortly!

Thanks Jim.

I find this an interesting topic/discussion... My model would probably fit such a different group as well! Curious what the moderators will come up with

I'm also following this topic with great interest.

I think there are good reasons to introduce a new theme for scale modeling. I do have one concern though: Maybe I'm a bit lazy, but in general I find myself exploring the Technics, Mindstorms and Model team forum only. So with a new theme being introduced I'm a bit affraid I'm going to miss some of these fascinating builds. In my opinion, the underlying limitation is that themes are inherently mutually exclusive: a topic can only be active in one theme. This causes trouble for topics that actually match more than one theme. Which brings me to a more subtle feature request: I would like to have a personal Eurobricks start page that shows a combined stream of topics from the themes I'm interested in. As part of such a feature it should be possible to configure which themes I'm interested in.

Just my thoughts on this..

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by Didumos69

I have discussed this with Edwin yesterday and a possible solution is to have a separate forum for:

Modeling, Architecture, Creator, Model Team and Sculptures & Art.

This would mean that Model Team isn't part of the Technic and Mindstorms forum anymore.

In order to do this we (staff) need to find a place for:

Fabuland, Collectable Minifigures, Military and everything else.

I will discuss this with other staffers and come back with answer.

To answer the OP's question; here's an interesting topic about Model Team vs Creator:

http://www.eurobrick...showtopic=97836

...Which brings me to a more subtle feature request: I would like to have a personal Eurobricks start page that shows a combined stream of topics from the themes I'm interested in. As part of such a feature it should be possible to configure which themes I'm interested in.

Just my thoughts on this..

What a great idea.

I don't have a clue (oh there's a surprise ) how it would be implemented but I shouldn't have thought it'd be too difficult for those with the knowledge of these things.

Indeed a great idea, but let's stick to the discussion at hand and not turn this into a "I'd like this feature" topic

I don't think separation of the Model Team is a good idea. It is too easy to cross the line between MT and Creator. Much better would be to make this:

Any MT build must contain steering. This way no separate forums required and people won't miss amazing creations that may be posted in the sculptures.

I only browse the 115 and 128 forums and don't have much free time

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by LXF

I don't think separation of the Model Team is a good idea.

I'm talking about separating MT from Technic, not Creator.

It is too easy to cross the line between MT and Creator.

That's why I suggest combining MT and Creator into a new forum.

Any MT build must contain steering.

These kind of restrictions or guidelines are hard to explain and hard to enforce.

It see I made a mistake. It should not contain Mindstorms.

Modeling, Architecture, Mindstorms, Creator, Model Team and Sculptures & Art.

My bad, sorry.

Exactly what I mean, MT away from Technic isn't a good idea, everything was OK until this year, after some builds were posted in the wrong topic. Just my opinion, but if you want to do a lot of work when this can be solved a lot easier...

I seen the MT sets, and they not only have detailed studded bodywork, but they have functions. Creator sets not. There is a difference that is going to be omitted and a theme ( MT) will be forgot and confused with creator

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by LXF

Jim: would this mean there'll be another HOF too?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

It's not my decision alone, there needs to be concensus among staff members. I'm just thinking out loud before I make a final suggestion.

And maybe there will be no suggestion and things will remain the same.

PRO:

Proper place for MT Brick-Build models.

Easier to find.

Similar building techniques all in one forum.

CON:

Much less attention and replies, MT is not very popular, Technic forum is one of the most visited forums, and separating MT to a new forum will probably leading to losing lots of Technic guys who commented and engaged in posting.

Inevitably confusion of where to post model with Brick-Built (MT) body and Technic mechanisms inside.

I don't like the idea of a seperate forum for MT, it would be nice, though I feel technic models and model team style models are very similar. The only major difference is the choice of system or studless parts. I also think model team contributes a lot to the technic theme, if you look at the HOF, there's a large portion of variety that is model team ( excluding all of the technic supercars). I think it will add a lot of confusion, and may be upsetting to some that want to participate in "Technic" contests, instead of the combined technic+MT style builds. I also feel that a combination of other topics with model team will mean that the impressive models that we see on this forum will become even more scarce/get covered up by lots of other posts. I don't think there is much of a common theme with the combined topics besides the usage of system parts. So there will be less similarities of interest between community members, thus potentially less interaction between builders.

This would work, if there was a larger member base of MT builders, though on this forum, I feel there is only a handful of them that are very active.

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by Tommy Styrvoky

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

You're right, absolutely agree...anyways I stay tuned...