Indiana Jones flags for your creations!

[Col. Whipstick]

Hi Theatre-folk

Some may know, some may not that I've been doing a large number of flags for the pirate forum but as and when I can I've been doing a few extra flags here and there and very often the flags can be used in any forum. Indy 565 requested a personalized Indy flag and I've done as much but thought it would be useful to render the Nazi and Soviet flags for use with the new Indy sets and the MOC's that are bound to arise. Hope you find these flags useful and enjoyable. This could lead to some interesting WWII MOC's, when added to the British and American flags etc.

[General Zen]

Nicely done! I really like those flags! *wub*

[Col. Whipstick]

Nicely done! I really like those flags! *wub*

That's around 20 - 30 flags I've done so far, getting tired though...

[Tarfful]

Brilliant! Those flags are top notch *y*

General Tarful

[Indy565]

Wow. X-O Thanks Col. Whipstick!

Edited January 9, 2008 by Indy565

[Col. Whipstick]

Wow. X-O Thanks Col. Whipstick!

My pleasure Indy. Took ages to get that I & J right

[blueandwhite]

Good stuff. These should be great for folks doing Indy MOCs. It's the one thing that the LEGO theme is missing (for obvious reasons). Much appreciated.

[Col. Whipstick]

I should also mention that whilst the images suffer from pixelation given I was working with MSPaint there are programs that are able to smooth the image pixels out. Apparently Adobe has a programme called Illustrator and it's free to download the trial version.

Mr Phes gave me this information when I worked on the flags in the pirate forum.

[LuxorV]

Grea job, Col. Whipstick *wub*

Maybe the Russian sickle is a bit too compressed, but I like them all *y* *y*

LuxorV

[Lord Of Pies]

Looks good yet again Col.!

[Mr Spielbrick]

Seeing the nazi flag available for playing purposes, reinforced my belief that LEGO made the right choice. It would be extremely weird if they did include political symbols in their sets. 8-

Edited January 10, 2008 by Mr Spielbrick

[Scouty]

Hi Theatre-folk

Some may know, some may not that I've been doing a large number of flags for the pirate forum but as and when I can I've been doing a few extra flags here and there and very often the flags can be used in any forum. Indy 565 requested a personalized Indy flag and I've done as much but thought it would be useful to render the Nazi and Soviet flags for use with the new Indy sets and the MOC's that are bound to arise. Hope you find these flags useful and enjoyable. This could lead to some interesting WWII MOC's, when added to the British and American flags etc.

You've got some great stuff here! One thing you should add is the verticle banner version of the Nazi flag.

[Col. Whipstick]

You've got some great stuff here! One thing you should add is the verticle banner version of the Nazi flag.

Er... you mean on the 2x2 flag? i.e. - down the way the hatches hang down over the cannons? I'm trying to work out what piece or method you'd want to use for it's display?

[Scouty]

Er... you mean on the 2x2 flag? i.e. - down the way the hatches hang down over the cannons? I'm trying to work out what piece or method you'd want to use for it's display?

Right now, I'm not looking for a flag design, but what I meant would actually not fit a Lego Flag piece. I actually meant the ones that hang on a wall and the symbol is in the middle. It has a short width and a long length.

[Lord Of Pies]

Remember the flag has to be pasted on MS word to fit official Lego flag pieces!

*Cough*

[Scouty]

Remember the flag has to be pasted on MS word to fit official Lego flag pieces!

*Cough*

I'm aware of that...but this is just to...expand :-) :-P .

[Col. Whipstick]

I'm aware of that...but this is just to...expand :-) :-P .

You've lost me there Imperial Scouts, I know exactly what you mean by the vertical banner but in the end the flags are designed to a certain size to go on a certain piece, how or in what way would you intend to have the vertical banner shown? Otherwise the design would end up just being printed loosely on cloth or something.

[conmaniac89]

These are so awesome.

[Wout]

There are vertical long banners in some Harry Potter sets, maybe they are usefull.

They are very nice, but Personally I wouldn

[DoubleT]

I am not to happy with the nazi stuff, Nazi and lego should not have anything to do with each other :-(

[WesternOutlaw]

I am not to happy with the nazi stuff, Nazi and lego should not have anything to do with each other :-(

I agree.

You did a very nice job replicating the flags, but the thought of children playing with these Nazi flags just doesn't sit well with me. Nice from the historical perspective, but very "unpolitically correct" for those who know what the swastika represents. Perhaps just a regular German flag or generic non-Swastika flag might be better.

[Col. Whipstick]

I agree.

You did a very nice job replicating the flags, but the thought of children playing with these Nazi flags just doesn't sit well with me. Nice from the historical perspective, but very "unpolitically correct" for those who know what the swastika represents. Perhaps just a regular German flag or generic non-Swastika flag might be better.

Well I don't agree. These flags are here to complement the Indiana Jones experience and incase you didn't notice those weren't Vikings he was competing with in the films. Besides others generated the idea for these flags aside from me. History is history, if you can't deal with it, stick with duplo. The films showed the swastika. Furthermore there has been no criticism of any other flag and yet there is for this one, that much I can understand but throughout history every person has course and reason to feel negative about say the USSR, the British Empire, Napolean - the United States! It is particularly typical that there is no criticism whatsoever of the Soviet Flag, a regime in my eyes with effects more so devastating than that of the Nazi's if you want to play that card, yet because we were allied with them Joseph Stalin seems to have been considered Walt Disney. So as a lengthy student of history I'm sorry but I don't place particular negative influence given political viewpoints are entirely relative to those that see them and the creation of these flags is in no way an endorsement of any political or religious idealogy. If I really wanted to I could choose to find certain subject matter offense, which indeed I do but I'm big enough to recognise history belongs to no one.

I don't think you are looking at this in a mature enough perspective. You can't and shouldn't be trying to shelter and contain history in any capacity. Besides as Indiana Jones is himself the protagonist and the Nazi's and Soviets are his opposition that would only further validate they are the token 'bad guys' in the same way the pirates are to the soldiers and the various castle groups are to each other. Frankly if you want to go down this road then you might as well pull the pirate line for it's colonial implications and the fact that pirates, like the vikings had an undisputed history as violent marauders, pull the western theme for it's political incorrectness against native Americans and in short you'd have nothing left but basic bricks. So now you've all got your 21st century, I want to be seen against this statements may we please get on with it. This is the last time I will comment on this subject, I've tried hard to cut down on any political agendas in any thread I come across. I make what I make to enrich the historical experience for those who want it and I'm not going to stop that for those of you who seriously need to take a pill. No one is forcing you to print out and use the flag but have a thought for those who may wish to. Right, that little bit of left-wing extremism dealt with I've got more important things to do, such as get on with more flags. Gee, what can I find that will be totally unoffensive? Anyone got any problems with ancient Egypt because that's how far I'd have to go back.

[Lord Of Pies]

I am inclined to agree with both sides of the argument on this one. History is history, no matter what you say or how much anyone tries to cover it up or censor it. Terrible things have happened in the past, for example the Holocaust, or the battle of Stalingrad which was one of the bloodiest battles known to mankind and their is no denying it happened. HOWEVER do remember that Lego is only a toy, primarily for children, so Lego isn't supposed to be realistic, take the minifig for example, they are not in proportion with a real human at all! I think that if one is trying to make a historically accurate MOC, then using such flags as the Swastika is okay, as long as you aren't trying to offend anyone deliberately. But giving a Swastika flag to young children to play with everyday with their own creations is not okay as they will begin to think that waving around such pottentially offensive flags is good and right.

And remember chaps, Col. Whipstick made these flags for AFOLS, not for young children. :-)

[Col. Whipstick]

And remember chaps, Col. Whipstick made these flags for AFOLS, not for young children. :-)

Of course Lego did the right thing by not putting flags on their stuff, note the Imperial flags with pirates are strictly generic. I was never suggesting Lego should have on the official sets. These guys don't seem to understand that we are adults in here - or atleast some of us! And in the end their protests are hypocritical because there's cause and reason to censor absolutely everything so it's really simple from my standpoint - all the flags stay or all of them go. I'm not removing the Swastika unless I remove everything I've done because that's the reality of history.

I am quite honestly pretty ticked-off about this. I come here to escape the liberal insanity of the world out there and for me lego will always be an excellent way to explore, educate and model history. What's so ridiculous is one could do an MOC of a gay parade which is not acceptable to everyone but it wouldn't get any protest because it's on the good side of the politically correct line whereas the nazis aren't. It's just the usual exhausting close-minded, dogmatic superiority of liberal culture everywhere and once again they seem to feel they have the moral monopoly even here.

And what further adds to my irritation is that most people couldn't really care about what flags are there, only a few might be genuinely offended, the others are just trying to score points as usual in this world. I couldn't just post those flags and that be it, someone had to try make a statement and hope to get himself some guaranteed pats on the back by choosing an arguement where he knows the majority is with him. Perhaps that's why I'm a Colonel here and not a President, I don't need the popularity vote.

Edited January 12, 2008 by Col. Whipstick

[WesternOutlaw]

Col. Whipstick: Just as you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. I do not appreciate the insultive tone of your responses nor being viewed as not taking a mature perspective in regard to a very sensitive subject (of which you do not seem to understand). In fact, I seem to increase my level of sensitivity as I grow older and more mature. I complimented you on the quality of your flags, just not fond of the swastika. I did not intend to get into a debate over the use of a swastika and/or other historic symbols. Yes, I understand that these flags are intended for AFOL and the use of other historic symbols/flags may raise similar issues. I'm sure that some parents might take offense to some of my stories about Grave Stone (also intended for AFOL) - but they are fantasy/horror.

Comparing the swastika to some of the other examples you provided is not a fair comparison. I too, am a bit of a history buff and know a lot about the Third Reicht and WWII history; as well as having personal knoweldge. The thought of depicting a symbol that is linked to the genocide of 5-6 M people within the last 100 years just doesn't sit well with me.

My thoughts or opinions are not to score points with anyone. The value of doing so on a Lego forum where my identity is unkown is pretty pointless.

You do not need to take personal offense in my preference to not see Lego swastika flags. This is my opinion only.

PS. I'm not trying to ban/remove your flags from this board. I'm not a mod and have no interest/agenda in seeing them removed, or trying to stop your creative endeavors.