Shipwrights Guild Hall (WIPs, feedback, and advice)

[Maxim I]

1 hour ago, Bregir said:

Normally, you will see the shrouds arranged around the gun ports (or gunports to be placed around the shrouds.) Never seen gun ports directly behind the shrouds, and you are going to be entirely blocking it in here! :P

It is a very difficult situation tbh :p

Most examples (modelbuilding) show the gunports being covered and trapped by the rigging (as in, I really don't see how they are to be shut down/opened).

The drawing of the Gotheborg I use as rigging plan, show the shrouds being arranged around the gunports (as you say). But I don't find a wooden model showing this. It should be possible in Lego (I guess), but I am not sure the result will be as satisfying as we hope. Those gunports are very space consuming pieces :p

Edited February 6, 2018 by Maxim I

[LM71Blackbird]

So, I've got a small WIP ship... It's my first time brick-building a hull. What class would a ship like this be? Comments and suggestions are welcome!

Small ship 1 by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

Small ship 2 by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

[LM71Blackbird]

Been working on my newest ship. I removed 1 of the masts and decided to make it a sloop. The rigging still needs to be done and the big rear sail is not final. Does it look to wide compared to how long it is? Suggestions are welcome!

Small ship 3 by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

[Professor Thaum]

With two topsails, this is a cutter rather than a sloop, thought I may confuse the correct name (perhaps @Bregir could give the right one)

It seems to be a little "bulky" for a one-masted ship (the hull seems very broad) perhaps make it slimmer.

[LM71Blackbird]

7 hours ago, Professor Thaum said:

With two topsails, this is a cutter rather than a sloop, thought I may confuse the correct name (perhaps @Bregir could give the right one)

It seems to be a little "bulky" for a one-masted ship (the hull seems very broad) perhaps make it slimmer.

Ok, thanks. I thought it seemed a bit large...

[Bregir]

On 6/2/2018 at 10:58 AM, Maxim I said:

Most examples (modelbuilding) show the gunports being covered and trapped by the rigging (as in, I really don't see how they are to be shut down/opened).

My guess is oversight, since this:

On 6/2/2018 at 10:58 AM, Maxim I said:

The drawing of the Gotheborg I use as rigging plan, show the shrouds being arranged around the gunports (as you say).

is what I see in my sources. Either the gunports are arranged not to interfere with the shrouds, or the shrouds are arranged around the gun ports.

I do see how it is a tough nut to crack, though! :P

@LM71Blackbird

She does indeed seem a little chubby - typically, hulls would be less compact, but apart from that, I like the curves you have achieved around the bow and stern. The long straight sides look a bit off though, and an enclosed gundeck may add to her "chubby-ness". Most ships her size would have had open gundecks. :)

My immediate thought is that she is a class 4.

Actually, I much preferred her with two masts, though, as a brig, as the chubby hull looks very much out of place for a fore and aft rigged, one masted vessel. Also, your single mast makes her look heavily underrigged - those tiny sails won't give her much speed! ;) Looking at the two versions, the chubby hull looks much more natural on the two masted version.

8 hours ago, Professor Thaum said:

With two topsails, this is a cutter rather than a sloop, thought I may confuse the correct name (perhaps @Bregir could give the right one)

Well... She only has one topsail ;) I am assuming you mean two square sails, though :)

Actually, what would make her a cutter is the fact that her mast is placed close to the middle of the ship, rather than in the front third of the hull (which would make her a sloop). In some definitions, a cutter is defined by several headsails (fore-staysail, jib, flying jib, etc.), but that is naturally connected to the placement of the mast, as a mast further aft means more room for headsails.

[LM71Blackbird]

2 hours ago, Bregir said:

She does indeed seem a little chubby - typically, hulls would be less compact, but apart from that, I like the curves you have achieved around the bow and stern. The long straight sides look a bit off though, and an enclosed gundeck may add to her "chubby-ness". Most ships her size would have had open gundecks. :)

My immediate thought is that she is a class 4.

Actually, I much preferred her with two masts, though, as a brig, as the chubby hull looks very much out of place for a fore and aft rigged, one masted vessel. Also, your single mast makes her look heavily underrigged - those tiny sails won't give her much speed! ;) Looking at the two versions, the chubby hull looks much more natural on the two masted version.

Yeah, I knew it looked a bit to chubby... I'll probably dry dock this model for a little bit because I'm working on a bigger ship for the MRCA. I'll post a WIP picture soon of that ship to get some feedback. Thanks for all the help!

[LM71Blackbird]

Here's a ship I've been working on recently. I figured I'd ask for advice before I get to far into the project. My goal is for a massive merchant/warship (if that's even a thing? ). Something with loads of cargo space but enough firepower to sink 80-gun Ship-of-the-Line. Ok, maybe not that much firepower...  Any suggestions on bow or stern shapes, number of masts it should have, or whether or not it even looks realistic so far would be helpful and appreciated! It's as long as 10 prefab hull pieces with 2 of the prefab curved ends.

Large Ship 01 by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

Large Ship 02 by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

Large Ship 04 by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

Large Ship 03 by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

 

Edited February 7, 2018 by LM71Blackbird

[Legostone]

@LM71Blackbird General shape looks good, it might be a bit too wide for the length, but that would be the perspective. I think the widest part could be a bit further forward, but it should be alright either way. The stern is missing the part for mounting the rudder, but thats an easy change. The bow needs some work though - look at the HMS Victory, largest intact vessel from the time:

See the width of the keel? Thats how it should be, and that is entirely doable for your vessel too! 2 studs wide is no issue for that size of vessel though  The bowsprit would also start further up, but that should be an easy change I hope ;)

[LM71Blackbird]

Thank you very much @Legostone! This has been very helpful! All those suggestions will be relatively easy for me to implement.

[LM71Blackbird]

@Bregir How's this looking so far? I brought up the bowsprit and redid the sails which included adding a forth mast. The rear sail in the back is temporary for now. I was thinking of making that like a barque fore-and-aft rigged sail. I'll also add a sail or two in the front as well.

troop transport 4 by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

[Darnok]

A simple question concerning licensing: would the following ship count as a class 2 or a class 3?

[Bregir]

@LM71Blackbird

Another impressive ship in the works, I see! I generally agree with what LS has said. As to rigging, basically all large ships had three masts so that is what I would go for. :)

I might also suggest that you dabble a bit in smaller vessels, but then again, Corrington may need these behemoths in the future, so you don't hear me stopping you! ;)

@Drunknok

Definitely not a class three. I think in fact she is somewhere between 1 and 2. If you compare to the different gunboats, for instance, she seems to fall in the same range. I think both 1 and 2 could work in this case.

Also, nice hull shape and use of those sails. My only comment is that when seems to have upper yards, which wouldn't be the case for a rig like this.

[LM71Blackbird]

24 minutes ago, Bregir said:

Another impressive ship in the works, I see! I generally agree with what LS has said. As to rigging, basically all large ships had three masts so that is what I would go for. :)

I might also suggest that you dabble a bit in smaller vessels, but then again, Corrington may need these behemoths in the future, so you don't hear me stopping you! ;)

Thank you! I'm mostly going to try and stick to class 3 - 5 vessels, but it's so much fun to build massive floating, cannon covered ships!

[LM71Blackbird]

Would this ship be a considered a class 5 frigate?

Coppered hull Ship by LM71Blackbird, on Flickr

It's got 40 guns in total, so it would be considered a heavy frigate. It has 20 24-pounders on the bottom deck and 14 9-pounders on the top deck. There are 2 24-pounders and 4 9-pounders facing backward. It has a copper hull for speed and maneuverability as well as 3 masts. Crew size would be around 15ish. It has a small cargo hold/powder mag and has a weapon storage to arm the crew in case of ship boardings.

[Bregir]

6 hours ago, LM71Blackbird said:

Would this ship be a considered a class 5 frigate?

I think it is probably a class 6. How many midsections does she consist of?

[Bodi]

Good looking ship! With 40 guns, she's a 5 rate frigate, which means class 6 frigate? But armament is not the only criteria when defining a ship's classification, I think this is why Bregir asked about the number of midsections.

I like her overall shape and the sails with Corrington flag on them, and the crow's nests are brilliant too. Neverthless, a more curved hull would look better IMHO.

[Darnok]

9 hours ago, Bregir said:

 

@Drunknok

Definitely not a class three. I think in fact she is somewhere between 1 and 2. If you compare to the different gunboats, for instance, she seems to fall in the same range. I think both 1 and 2 could work in this case.

Also, nice hull shape and use of those sails. My only comment is that when seems to have upper yards, which wouldn't be the case for a rig like this.

Thanks a lot, that solved my problem.

A class 2 it will be then. She is longer than my Cranky Parrot (a definite class 2), with about the same width, but less height. I see no argument supporting her being a class 1, she is a good bit larger than any class 1 ship I know of.

The upper yards solved a stability issue with the sails, and look nice in my opinion. I am not looking for historical accuracy with my ship builds.

[Legostone]

37 minutes ago, Drunknok said:

Thanks a lot, that solved my problem.

A class 2 it will be then. She is longer than my Cranky Parrot (a definite class 2), with about the same width, but less height. I see no argument supporting her being a class 1, she is a good bit larger than any class 1 ship I know of.

The upper yards solved a stability issue with the sails, and look nice in my opinion. I am not looking for historical accuracy with my ship builds.

You are already using the LOTR sails, why not try them with a Xebec-like setup?

that shape should fit that style too 

[Darnok]

Just now, Legostone said:

You are already using the LOTR sails, why not try them with a Xebec-like setup?

that shape should fit that style too 

I have a few more of them, and want to use them on another ship, so will keep this in mind.

With this one I just "built away", and came up with the result shown above. Seeing how much better the historical counterpart looks, I just might redo the masts though...

[LM71Blackbird]

7 hours ago, Bregir said:

I think it is probably a class 6. How many midsections does she consist of?

She's got 5 midsections.

6 hours ago, Bodi said:

Good looking ship! With 40 guns, she's a 5 rate frigate, which means class 6 frigate? But armament is not the only criteria when defining a ship's classification, I think this is why Bregir asked about the number of midsections.

I like her overall shape and the sails with Corrington flag on them, and the crow's nests are brilliant too. Neverthless, a more curved hull would look better IMHO.

Thanks! Yeah, I went for a different aesthetic for this one. Most of my ships will have more curved hulls in the future.

[Legostone]

1 minute ago, LM71Blackbird said:

She's got 5 midsections.

Yeah, that would probably qualify as a class 6 then. If you want to change it feel free to submit a new form, I'll remove the old entry 

[LM71Blackbird]

7 minutes ago, Legostone said:

Yeah, that would probably qualify as a class 6 then. If you want to change it feel free to submit a new form, I'll remove the old entry 

The license form? That would be great! Will I be refunded the Db's to relicense in properly?

[Legostone]

Just now, LM71Blackbird said:

The license form? That would be great! Will I be refunded the Db's to relicense in properly?

If I just delete the previous entry yeah, and if we just take it as an error that happened earlier its fine to change it up really quick. Just fill out the form again and I'll clear the old entry 

[LM71Blackbird]

Just now, Legostone said:

If I just delete the previous entry yeah, and if we just take it as an error that happened earlier its fine to change it up really quick. Just fill out the form again and I'll clear the old entry 

Awesome! Thank you very much!