Brethren of the Brick Seas (BoBS) Intro Thread, Era II

[Kwatchi]

I dunno.  Is it really necessary to monetize colonies even more?  They already pay a salary to the mayor and generate a bank before you even count the yields of the individual builds.  I thought the point of them was to simply give a reason for player's to build land MOCs.    I don't care strongly either way tbh, but it seems like a needless addition that just adds on to the admins workload. 

Frankly, mayor's can already charge a dock tax if they want to (see Oleon). 

[Elostirion]

1 minute ago, Kwatchi said:

I dunno.  Is it really necessary to monetize colonies even more?  They already pay a salary to the mayor and generate a bank before you even count the yields of the individual builds.  I thought the point of them was to simply give a reason for player's to build land MOCs.    I don't care strongly either way tbh, but it seems like a needless addition that just adds on to the admins workload. 

Frankly, mayor's can already charge a dock tax if they want to (see Oleon). 

I definitely have a different goal in mind. I do not want to increase the overall inflow of money (if anything let's go the other direction), hence my suggestion to reward and punish. BUT a port where 20 ships sail should definitely earn more than a port where only 2 ships sail, that only feels natural and right.

[Kai NRG]

7 minutes ago, Kwatchi said:

Frankly, mayor's can already charge a dock tax if they want to (see Oleon). 

I like the idea of a reward based on visiting ships to the settlement to offset the incentive for charging dock taxes (which will naturally have a tendency to drive ships away).

I'm all for it being complicated behind the scenes, as long as it can be automated to ensure a sustainable work load for leadership, but I do think that the game is already plenty complex on the outside.

Perhaps we should have a completely different rules thread, or at least a different post in the property thread, for settlements (would make the property post seem a lot simpler, since settlements is the complicated thing!) since that is really something only mayors absolutely need to know, and will be easier for players to understand after they've already mastered the property and ship rules.  Right now the settlement rules come before the rules for property types, which is probably not the best place to start when understanding properties.

[Sir Stig]

As Maxim I said it

3 hours ago, Maxim I said:

The workload for all of this would be way too high.

Some realism is good IMO (although humorous entries are also appreciated), but making it to complex can scare people away. A simple bonus for ships visiting adds a little strategy, without skewing the game into a full scale simulator.

[Darnok]

A question/suggestion to the Powers That Be: could the license cap be raised for the month of December? I think most of us have more time to build around Christmas, so the three available licenses feel like not enough to me. Raising the cap would encourage more activity over the holidays, as well as overall growth over all factions. You would also have more freedom in licensing "Christmas builds" alongside more regular MOCs.

[gedren_y]

@Drunknok, builds do not have to be licensed right away. The freebuild form has no limits, but the amount of DBs you receive for those builds will reduce once you go over a certain amount. Build and post as many as you care to, and just wait to file the forms. The game constraints are there for a reason.

[Darnok]

1 hour ago, gedren_y said:

@Drunknok, builds do not have to be licensed right away. The freebuild form has no limits, but the amount of DBs you receive for those builds will reduce once you go over a certain amount. Build and post as many as you care to, and just wait to file the forms. The game constraints are there for a reason.

 

I know and understand all of that. Constraints can be changed though, especially if it is only for a small amount of time and for a special occasion. None of what you say adresses what I have suggested, so I do not know what you are on about here.

Edited November 22, 2017 by Drunknok

[Kai NRG]

1 hour ago, Drunknok said:

A question/suggestion to the Powers That Be: could the license cap be raised for the month of December? I think most of us have more time to build around Christmas, so the three available licenses feel like not enough to me. Raising the cap would encourage more activity over the holidays, as well as overall growth over all factions. You would also have more freedom in licensing "Christmas builds" alongside more regular MOCs.

I think this is a nice option, though of course it would always be possible for builders to "save" their MOCs and post later.  But raising the cap for a month seems like a neat idea to me.  (Not saying this because I anticipate being able to build extra myself, I probably won't!)

[Kwatchi]

2 hours ago, Drunknok said:

 

I know and understand all of that. Constraints can be changed though, especially if it is only for a small amount of time and for a special occasion. None of what you say adresses what I have suggested, so I do not know what you are on about here.

They can be changed of course, but BoBS has been operating under the existing ones for nigh on two years and there doesn't seem to be much need for this imho.  I recall at one point I had 6 properties waiting in queue to be licensed; they got done within a couple of months.

Now that the initial rush of the new ERA start-up is over, I think you'll find most players get 0-2 MOCs done a month (regardless of licensing).  

[Sir Stig]

Here are the reasons why I don't think it is necessary to raise the limit.

-You can always licence later.

-Everything does not have to be licensed.

-A lot of building time can be used to improve on building technique (challenge yourself with using a new type of roof/snot/subtle changes/endless).'

In the beginning I emphasized quickly raising my cash flow, and planned on doing the EGS aggressively, but the focus tilted into a building joy and presence that feels better than the EGS rewards. I think it have helped me to put less pressure on myself in general. The creative flow can be challenging though, when the ideas comes quicker than you can build. But not to worry, it can always be licensed later. Sometimes life happens, and that can also be nice. For those times it is good to have some extra builds for if/when that happens.

[Darnok]

A question about the following scenario: assume two settlements less than 50 miles apart, either one or both with a medium fortress (range: 50 miles). Do the defnse stats stack, or not? So can one fort protect another settlement if it is nearby, and can forts in a scenario as given support each other?

 

Another question concerning the MAESTRO monopoly on apples: what ingame meaning does that have? Can I build apple plantations or is that out?

Edited November 30, 2017 by Drunknok
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[Garmadon]

Just now, Drunknok said:

A question about the following scenario: assume two settlements less than 50 miles apart, either one or both with a medium fortress (range: 50 miles). Do the defnse stats stack, or not? So can one fort protect another settlement if it is nearby, and can forts in a scenario as given support each other?

 

Another question concerning the MASTRO monopoly on apples: what ingame meaning does that have? Can I build apple plantations or is that out?

To the first question - yes, they will stack up for the extent to which the ranges coincide   Consider the case where two settlements with medium fortresses are 45 miles apart; both settlements will receive the protection of both fortresses, but the blacksmith shop 10 miles on the far side of the second village will be protected only by the fortress under whose range it falls.

As to the other, the only meaning of any in-game monopoly is that the builder who has the monopoly will benefit from a greater income when building that kind of thing than another person would.  More specifically - yes, you can build as many apple plantations as you'd like!  But if you build an apple plantation and a Maestro builder builds one too, they will make one and a half amount the DBs each month for it that you do (you will make the same amount as you would for any other plantation).

[Darnok]

24 minutes ago, Garmadon said:

To the first question - yes, they will stack up for the extent to which the ranges coincide   Consider the case where two settlements with medium fortresses are 45 miles apart; both settlements will receive the protection of both fortresses, but the blacksmith shop 10 miles on the far side of the second village will be protected only by the fortress under whose range it falls.

As to the other, the only meaning of any in-game monopoly is that the builder who has the monopoly will benefit from a greater income when building that kind of thing than another person would.  More specifically - yes, you can build as many apple plantations as you'd like!  But if you build an apple plantation and a Maestro builder builds one too, they will make one and a half amount the DBs each month for it that you do (you will make the same amount as you would for any other plantation).

 

Excellent, thank you. Solving two issues at once for me!

[Maxim I]

2 hours ago, Drunknok said:

Another question concerning the MASTRO monopoly on apples: what ingame meaning does that have? Can I build apple plantations or is that out?

MAESTRO

Anyway, if interested in becoming an apple mogul (it is really nice!), there is the MAESTRO Corrington branch. Please contact me or Corrington leadership when interested in becoming member of MAESTRO COR :)

[Darnok]

44 minutes ago, Maxim I said:

MAESTRO

Anyway, if interested in becoming an apple mogul (it is really nice!), there is the MAESTRO Corrington branch. Please contact me or Corrington leadership when interested in becoming member of MAESTRO COR :)

 

Spelling fixed.

 

I have no interest in becoming an apple mogul, I just want to build a plantation without stepping on anybodys toes. I am also not interested in joining MEASTRO - I am a proud WTC member already. But thank you for the kind offer.

[Maxim I]

Wait a minute, has the WTC already 2 members? :o

[Darnok]

11 minutes ago, Maxim I said:

Wait a minute, has the WTC already 2 members? :o

 

Indeed. And we are going to kick your megablocks.

[KotZ]

On ‎10‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 11:33 PM, Mesabi said:

got done with the spreadsheet 

 

Name	Ships Score	Ships total	Upkeep	Profit	Total	Extra
Ayrlego	10	2	122	230	108
Bastion	4	1	5	18	13
BlackDeathGR	8	3	55	273	218
Bodi	9	3	55	40	-15	Captured Ship!
Bregir	34	9	712	308	-404	Lost a Class 4
Breshaun	5	1	5	109	104
Brickwolf	2	1	0	30	30
Capt Wolf	15	3	310	845	535
Captain Genaro	9	2	75	108	33
Charlatan Bay	4	1	0	13	13
Dukesc	41	10	1637	834	-803	Lost 2 class 7, class 2
Elyzabethtowne	0	1	0	22	22
ETTC	17	4	320	211	-109	Lost Class 3
Faladrin	5	2	0	35	35
Flavius Gratian	2	1	0	0	0	Sank
Garmadon	5	2	0	230	230
gedryn_y	7	2	5	117	112
gulagurag	6	2	0	27	27	Lost Class 4
Kai NRG	8	2	40	192	152
Kaiju	7	2	5	83	78
Kings Harbour	2	2	0	14	14	Captured Ship!
KolonialBeamter	40	6	1850	1439	-411	Lost Class 7
Kot_Z	7	2	5	25	20	Lost Class 5
Kwatchi	8	2	35	40	5	Captured 2 Ships!
Legostone	29	4	360	1035	675
MAESTRO	8	2	50	461	411
Maxim I	9	3	25	439	414
MCTC	14	3	242	725	483	Lost Class 6
Mesabi	10	2	122	180	58	Is Awesome
Mike S	9	2	90	116	26
MKJoshA	26	4	662	18	-644	Lost Class 7, 2
Phred	31	10	905	686	-219	Lost Class 6
Pombe	4	1	0	0	0	Lost
Professor Thaum	6	2	0	81	81	Lost Class 4
Puvel	5	2	0	216	216
Rassilion	4	1	0	37	37
RNTC	14	3	227	338	111
Sebeus I	2	1	0	0	0	Sank
SilentWolf	21	5	220	428	208	Lost Class 3
Sir Stig	7	2	5	35	30
Spud the Viking	2	1	0	34	34
Umbra Mantis	7	2	5	439	434

Sorry, just saw this. How'd I lose The Elise? Was she sunk?

[Darnok]

Not wanting to harass the Powers That Be, but at what point do I get to know the result of my recent mining prospect? And while we are at it: will I ever get to know what that "sweetest fruit" actually is?

[Professor Thaum]

11 hours ago, Drunknok said:

Not wanting to harass the Powers That Be, but at what point do I get to know the result of my recent mining prospect? And while we are at it: will I ever get to know what that "sweetest fruit" actually is?

Relax, it's got an extra-long fuse. 

[MKJoshA]

On 10/28/2017 at 1:33 AM, Mesabi said:

got done with the spreadsheet 

 

Name	Ships Score	Ships total	Upkeep	Profit	Total	Extra
Ayrlego	10	2	122	230	108
Bastion	4	1	5	18	13
BlackDeathGR	8	3	55	273	218
Bodi	9	3	55	40	-15	Captured Ship!
Bregir	34	9	712	308	-404	Lost a Class 4
Breshaun	5	1	5	109	104
Brickwolf	2	1	0	30	30
Capt Wolf	15	3	310	845	535
Captain Genaro	9	2	75	108	33
Charlatan Bay	4	1	0	13	13
Dukesc	41	10	1637	834	-803	Lost 2 class 7, class 2
Elyzabethtowne	0	1	0	22	22
ETTC	17	4	320	211	-109	Lost Class 3
Faladrin	5	2	0	35	35
Flavius Gratian	2	1	0	0	0	Sank
Garmadon	5	2	0	230	230
gedryn_y	7	2	5	117	112
gulagurag	6	2	0	27	27	Lost Class 4
Kai NRG	8	2	40	192	152
Kaiju	7	2	5	83	78
Kings Harbour	2	2	0	14	14	Captured Ship!
KolonialBeamter	40	6	1850	1439	-411	Lost Class 7
Kot_Z	7	2	5	25	20	Lost Class 5
Kwatchi	8	2	35	40	5	Captured 2 Ships!
Legostone	29	4	360	1035	675
MAESTRO	8	2	50	461	411
Maxim I	9	3	25	439	414
MCTC	14	3	242	725	483	Lost Class 6
Mesabi	10	2	122	180	58	Is Awesome
Mike S	9	2	90	116	26
MKJoshA	26	4	662	18	-644	Lost Class 7, 2
Phred	31	10	905	686	-219	Lost Class 6
Pombe	4	1	0	0	0	Lost
Professor Thaum	6	2	0	81	81	Lost Class 4
Puvel	5	2	0	216	216
Rassilion	4	1	0	37	37
RNTC	14	3	227	338	111
Sebeus I	2	1	0	0	0	Sank
SilentWolf	21	5	220	428	208	Lost Class 3
Sir Stig	7	2	5	35	30
Spud the Viking	2	1	0	34	34
Umbra Mantis	7	2	5	439	434

I never saw the final draft either. This is very helpful Mesabi (and yes, you are awesome)!

And I would like it noted that I was the 2nd worse off player of this particular MCRA!

[Capt Wolf]

Just to make sure everyone is aware, the above chart is from the October MRCA, not the most recent one.

[Mesabi]

WARNING DATA NEEDS UPDATING, I WILL FIX SOON!

Well, another TMCRA has passed, and it's time to see who made it and lost it.  I'll be posting a write up, but here's everyone's scores, with upkeep calculated...

Name	Ships Score	Ships total	Upkeep	Profit	Total	Extra
Ayrlego	10	2	122	306	184
Blackdeathgr	12	5	280	360	80
Bodi	9	3	55	58	3
Bregir	26	9	838	493	-345
Brickwolf	1	1	0	173	173
Capt Wolf	15	3	310	1671	1361
Captain Genaro	9	2	75	476	401
CelesAuriven	2	1	0	28	28
Charlatan Bay	5	2	5	63	58	Stole the WTC Beacon >:(
Dukesc	51	16	2131	1892	-239	Lost class 4, captured class 2
ETTC	12	3	145	311	166	Uses ships not in the registry...
Faladrin	5	2	0	85	85
Flavius Gratian	2	1	0	112	112
Garmadon	5	2	0	402	402
gedren_y	7	2	25	176	151
Gulagurag	2	1	0	0	0
Kai NRG	8	2	40	209	169
Kaiju	10	3	55	405	350	WTC Beacon stealer
KolonelBeamter	47	7	2365	1334	-1031
KotZ	7	2	5	53	48	Lost class 5
Kwatchi	8	2	55	230	175	>:(
Legostone	18	4	360	943	583
MAESTRO	8	2	50	841	791
Maxim I	9	3	25	478	453
MCTC	10	3	55	879	824
Mesabi	10	2	123	154	31	Lost the Beacon
Mike S	9	2	90	344	254	Entered the same ship 3 times...
MKJoshA	12	2	220	143	-77
Phred	31	11	1255	1207	-48	Ambition and Aspiration are the same?
Pombe	3	1	0	0	0
Professor thaum	5	2	0	362	362
RNTC	14	3	227	307	80
SilentWolf	16	5	243	718	475
Sir Stig	7	2	5	145	140
Umbra Mantis	7	2	25	473	448
Total	412	115	8904	15831	6927

I didn't do settlements, nations, or NPCs, for brevity. @Puvel, you have been omitted, as I cannot find the ship class of The Defiance. Please remember these are not in character statements, I'll deal with the loss of the Beacon later. 

Edited December 4, 2017 by Mesabi
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[Kwatchi]

Lol Mesabi.  Be careful who you attack next time. Our fearsome class 2 & 3 trade convoy has now captured three ships in two months. 

 

 

 

 

I hope I didn't jinx us with that bragging.

[Bregir]

11 hours ago, Mesabi said:

Bregir 26 9 838 493 -345  

I will check up on this calculation. Together with this:

11 hours ago, Mesabi said:

Uses ships not in the registry...

I am starting to question the validity of the data. The ETTC ships are most definitely in the registry. (Just looked them up in the Corlander fleet list)