BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) So you're probably wondering what an Amazone Pantera 4502-H is. It's farm equipment, the 4502-H is a crop sprayer. I get that @eric trax is the farming equipment guy around here, but I couldn't not build this. Here's what the real life vehicle looks like: The wheels aren't a perfect match, but if I build this right and get good suggestions from you guys amybe that will be the only inaccuracy :) Here's what I got so far: It's just the base for the 3 steering modes, which this thing has. In the end, it will have some more manual functions and 2 power functions. Thanks for reading! Suggestion are wanted to make this MOC the best it can be. BrickbyBrickTechnic Edited July 22, 2017 by BrickbyBrickTechnic Quote
TechnicSummse Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) Nice idea... i like the real vehicle :D What about one of those wheels? I think they should fit better: The first one should fit your scale... for the second one, you would need some rescaling i think. Edit: You could maybe try to fit the Claas-tires to one of those rims: Ive got all those rims+ Claas-tire... ill try this at the evening :) Edited July 18, 2017 by TechnicSummse Quote
1gor Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, TechnicSummse said: Nice idea... i like the real vehicle :D What about one of those wheels? I think they should fit better: The first one should fit your scale... for the second one, you would need some rescaling i think. Edit: You could maybe try to fit the Claas-tires to one of those rims: Ive got all those rims+ Claas-tire... ill try this at the evening :) First sample - tire from this year BMW 1200 set is ok when thickness is an issue, but totaly wrong tire pattern. CLAAS tire fits wheel fituristic. Another way is to stretch CLAAS tire, but it will result in tire with undesired shape which will look like chewed tire... 2 hours ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: So you're probably wondering what an Amazone Pantera 4502-H is. It's farm equipment, the 4502-H is a crop sprayer. I get that @eric trax is the farming equipment guy around here, but I couldn't not build this. Here's what the real life vehicle looks like: The wheels aren't a perfect match, but if I build this right and get good suggestions from you guys amybe that will be the only inaccuracy :) Here's what I got so far: It's just the base for the 3 steering modes, which this thing has. In the end, it will have some more manual functions and 2 power functions. Thanks for reading! Suggestion are wanted to make this MOC the best it can be. BrickbyBrickTechnic There are sprayers with flotation tires...so CLAAS tires would be fine Edited July 18, 2017 by I_Igor Quote
eric trax Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: So you're probably wondering what an Amazone Pantera 4502-H is. It's farm equipment, the 4502-H is a crop sprayer. I get that @eric trax is the farming equipment guy around here, but I couldn't not build this. Here's what the real life vehicle looks like: The wheels aren't a perfect match, but if I build this right and get good suggestions from you guys amybe that will be the only inaccuracy :) Here's what I got so far: It's just the base for the 3 steering modes, which this thing has. In the end, it will have some more manual functions and 2 power functions. I'm honored that my nickname was here :DI am making Amazons' plans on a scale of 1:17. Below you can see some of the LDD model. I used wheels from a cross motorcycle. These wheels are much more suited to dimensions though they are not ideal. If you are building an Amazone based on the 42054 you do not had a choice. The problem is colors. The original is orange, dark bluish gray and bright green. A model Xerion dark bluish gray and lime I do not understand why you insisted that the model had three variants of the turn. All you need is one of your third photo. :) Edited July 18, 2017 by eric trax Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 18, 2017 Author Posted July 18, 2017 6 hours ago, TechnicSummse said: What about one of those wheels? I think they should fit better: It would. I just don't have any of those, and this is a c model. Thank you for the suggestion! 5 hours ago, I_Igor said: There are sprayers with flotation tires...so CLAAS tires would be fine An Amazone Pantera with flotation tires? Hmm... 40 minutes ago, eric trax said: I do not understand why you insisted that the model had three variants of the turn. All you need is one of your third photo. :) But on the Amazone website, it lists 3 different modes: http://www.amazone.net/3091.asp I guess I will have to make do with the colors :( Quote
eric trax Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: But on the Amazone website, it lists 3 different modes: http://www.amazone.net/3091.asp I guess I will have to make do with the colors :( If you want to build according to the manufacturer's specifications then there is no problem. But while building Model C just build a mobile sprayer looking at the real machine but not any real model It will make things easier :) Quote
TechnicSummse Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 2 hours ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: It would. I just don't have any of those, and this is a c model. Thank you for the suggestion! Oh, sorry... i did not see, this will be a c-model. Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 4 hours ago, eric trax said: If you want to build according to the manufacturer's specifications then there is no problem. But while building Model C just build a mobile sprayer looking at the real machine but not any real model It will make things easier :) That's what I'm gonna do! I removed the steering mode switch, so now there's only 4-wheel steering. Thank you. Quote
1gor Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 10 hours ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: An Amazone Pantera with flotation tires? Hmm... I'll tell you one secret; I'm working ob John Deere r4038 self propelled sprayer chassis since winter, but brcause other projects and my regular job still waiting for some gears because it has all wheel independent suspension and it has flotation tires with some 650mm width... Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 UPDATE TIME! So, I decided to start on the bodywork, because I have to ration the DBG arts in the set. Here's what I have so far: It's looking a little rough, so suggestions on how to make it better (especially the bumper) are wanted. Thanks for tuning in! BrickbyBrickTechnic Quote
1gor Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 Hm, honestly development direction is correct, but I see steering selection at the back - perhaps it would be usefull to put it behind cab... Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 53 minutes ago, I_Igor said: Hm, honestly development direction is correct, but I see steering selection at the back - perhaps it would be usefull to put it behind cab... Thanks! As of now I have removed the steering selection, so now there is just 4 wheel steering. There was no room behind the cab for the selection lever. Quote
eric trax Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) I think you should reduce the width of the model by two studes. It would cover visually wide tires. Currently the sprayer is too wide Edited August 28, 2019 by eric trax Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, eric trax said: I think you should reduce the width of the model by two studies. It would cover visually wide tires. Currently the sprayer is too wide I could try that... it may mean ripping apart the chassis but that's ok ;) Quote
eric trax Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: I could try that... it may mean ripping apart the chassis but that's ok ;) Nobody said it would be easy. The effect will be worth it :) Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, eric trax said: Nobody said it would be easy. The effect will be worth it :) I will do it! Let's see how it turns out! Quote
1gor Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 2 hours ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: I will do it! Let's see how it turns out! One limiting factor (the drive) is not present, so it os duable... On pantera site I see something unusual - tandem axles - which I assume doesn't cross your mind since there is no scock absorbers in 42054 set. Generaly sprayers have very wide track choices from 1600mm up to 3000mm, but could not find any info for Pantera on that matter... It is nice to see that I'm not the only freak to plan making self propelled sprayer moc out there Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 2 hours ago, I_Igor said: One limiting factor (the drive) is not present, so it os duable... On pantera site I see something unusual - tandem axles - which I assume doesn't cross your mind since there is no scock absorbers in 42054 set. Generaly sprayers have very wide track choices from 1600mm up to 3000mm, but could not find any info for Pantera on that matter... It is nice to see that I'm not the only freak to plan making self propelled sprayer moc out there 7 I have brought the wheel hubs more to the inside, thus bring down the width by 2 studs as @eric trax suggested (this applies to when the wheels are on). You are building one too? Awesome! Is there a WIP thread? No tandem axles for this MOC (unfortunately). I'll post more pictures first thing tomorrow. Thanks. Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) UPDATE TIME! This is the second last update before completion, and it is tremendous. Several things have been added/edited: -Gearbox with shifter -Chassis made less wide as @eric trax suggested (effects only visible with wheels on) -near completion of bodywork There is one big problem: the model is very front-heavy with the battery box being on the front, so the model struggles to roll forward. HELP WANTED. Here are the pictures: (Sorry for the change of background, white background pics tomorrow) Rebuilt chassis. However, there is one problem depicted above: sometimes when steering, the black crossblock attached to the wheel mount hits the grey 1x3 crossblock, thus impairing the steering and making the vehicle skid. Any suggestions on how to fix that? More updates soon! The project is nearing completion. Thanks! BrickbyBirkcTechnic Edited July 20, 2017 by BrickbyBrickTechnic Quote
1gor Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Hi, first of all chassis looks good indeed. I would put battery box between rear wheels (make some kind of cavity so battery box wont stick out to much) to improve weight distribution. Yes, I'm (partially) working on sprayer (we have only one size of tractor wheels and with baloon tires something is missing as you can see in my Brickshelf folder if you are interested) from winter along with other models, but currently only my topic is Unimog U423. Curently sprayer is on wait because I plan to finish Unimog and drive / steering / suspension on sprayer is giving me some headachse due to limited parts, but after eye surgery recovery I'll work on sprayer - planing John Deere R4038 model to fit 1:17,5 scale of Arocs and Unimog. (Sorry for neverending post) Quote
mocbuild101 Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: There is one big problem: the model is very front-heavy with the battery box being on the front, so the model struggles to roll forward. HELP WANTED. You could either move the battery box (possibly somewhere underneath, or if you are modelling the rest of it - on top), or increase the gearing down of the motor. Edited July 20, 2017 by mocbuild101 Quote
agrof Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 This is a great idea for C-model, and You did very well to date. I really like the overall shape, and the cabin+front area. What will be the functions with the gearbox? If those will be not effected, than I suggest to put the BB on the top as part of the spraying tank: the tank would be built around the BB - just an idea. Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, agrof said: What will be the functions with the gearbox? If those will be not effected, than I suggest to put the BB on the top as part of the spraying tank: the tank would be built around the BB - just an idea. The functions will both be to deploy the sprayer arms. The BB is already placed where you suggest, but this does not balance the weight. Quote
TechnicRCRacer Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 I can't see where the battery box is, but I would mount it directly behind the cabin horizontally if possible. Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 3 hours ago, mocbuild101 said: possibly somewhere underneath, That will be my last resort: There is supposed to be lots of ground clearance. 1 hour ago, TechnicRCRacer said: I can't see where the battery box is, but I would mount it directly behind the cabin horizontally if possible. That's where it is right now. Let me post a picture to give some context. For all those wanting to help, first of all, thank you. Second, here's the current position of the BB which is causing problems: Quote
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