Technic 2018 Set Discussion

[mobi]

What happened to next super car?

 

There were rumors that Porsche was one of many such yet to come!

[Kaanere]

18 minutes ago, mobi said:

What happened to next super car?

 

There were rumors that Porsche was one of many such yet to come!

In any case, it would come out in the 2H  . Or maybe in 2019 or later, we don't know what will be the time between Ultimate sets.

Also, has TLC stated that it will be another supercar? There are many kinds of vehicles that could get the Porsche treatment.

[Freekysch]

Uuuuu, I am so happy that LEGO decided to make another truck in the Technic line, especially a Mack. Until now I got the 8285 and 9397 (btw, I think the Logging Trucks is an underestimated set, imho it is a decent looking truck) and I can't want to get this one. LEGO wants my money again 

[Ngoc Nguyen]

I'll share some thoughts about the trailer. of the Mack truck. The silhouette indicates that it is the side loading type, so it needs to have two outriggers and two cranes.

The two outriggers need to be in sync, so there will be an axle linking them together, and a liftarm going down with push them down, like the rear outriggers in 42070. However I don't think there will be a small LA hanging above that drive the liftarm going down. Instead the driving axle will be connected to a worm gear which connects to a 20z / 24z gear which push the liftarm down.

The two cranes also need to move in sync. This means the two LAs that push the crane have to be linked to a common axle. So I think there will be only 2 LAs to simplify the drive axle. The LA will push through a scissor-lift linkage so that the up-down movement also links to the right-left movement. In other words the crane will rise and extend at the same time.

And I think there will be two separate axles for deploying outriggers and moving the crane, instead of one axle and the gearshifting elements, because of the limited space under the container bed. Those two axles will have knobs at the rear of the trailer.

 

[mobi]

How the Mack truck will be different in terms of functions compared to Merc Arocs truck? 

Unless a gearbox is added, it is hard to beat 42043.

 

[Ivan_M]

23 minutes ago, mobi said:

How the Mack truck will be different in terms of functions compared to Merc Arocs truck? 

Unless a gearbox is added, it is hard to beat 42043.

 

I would say RRP will be much lower compared to Arocs - no PF, no pneumatics, smaller scale. Arocs retailed for 199€, I expect Mack to sit at 130-140€ RRP. But that is just my 2c.

Edit: so functions speaking - full manual but overally same - crane, outridges, steering, 4l engine

Edited September 6, 2017 by Ivan_M

[Ngoc Nguyen]

I on't think it's fair comparing the Mack to the Arocs because the Arocs is a 2H flagship while the Mack is just a 1H flagship.

[AOW]

47 minutes ago, Ivan_M said:

I would say RRP will be much lower compared to Arocs - no PF, no pneumatics, smaller scale. Arocs retailed for 199€, I expect Mack to sit at 130-140€ RRP. But that is just my 2c.

Edit: so functions speaking - full manual but overally same - crane, outridges, steering, 4l engine

If it will have engine, it will have to be 6L as this will be a license set and Mack have the 6in line engines. 

[Ivan_M]

Just now, AOW said:

If it will have engine, it will have to be 6L as this will be a license set and Mack have the 6in line engines. 

6L with current mold is too long even for larger scale like Arocs, if the Mack is based on 49,5mm wheels then 4l is really maximum I can imagine. However this might be opportunity to introduce new mold for smaller engine - single piece with 3 pistons in row to make V6 or L6 engines, each piston 1 stud in diameter.

[AOW]

24 minutes ago, Ivan_M said:

...single piece with 3 pistons in row to make V6 or L6 engines, each piston 1 stud in diameter.

Yeap , that would be nice, but I do not think Lego will do so - as per their policy of making all parts universal. 

Still if they are to release the licence set they will need to do something with the "engine" so either as you said new mold or real "fake engine" without moving pistons .... :) 

[Kaanere]

49 minutes ago, AOW said:

Yeap , that would be nice, but I do not think Lego will do so - as per their policy of making all parts universal. 

Still if they are to release the licence set they will need to do something with the "engine" so either as you said new mold or real "fake engine" without moving pistons .... :) 

They could do an axle engine simillar to this one:

[GoldVillage]

2 hours ago, Ivan_M said:

6L with current mold is too long even for larger scale like Arocs, if the Mack is based on 49,5mm wheels then 4l is really maximum I can imagine. However this might be opportunity to introduce new mold for smaller engine - single piece with 3 pistons in row to make V6 or L6 engines, each piston 1 stud in diameter.

The small 49.5 tires will look weird in dual (too wide), a better guess would be the 62.4x20 tires

[Ngoc Nguyen]

But the trailer has single tyres 

[Ivan_M]

1 hour ago, GoldVillage said:

The small 49.5 tires will look weird in dual (too wide), a better guess would be the 62.4x20 tires

Yes they will come as single tire on back of the truck, there are many creations where such setup is and I think it looks fine. We might as well see more narrow version for front, similar to 43,2mm tires, that would be awesome. 2017 was very scarce in terms of new molds compared to 2016 so I think they should throw some new nice parts.

[1gor]

41 minutes ago, Ivan_M said:

Yes they will come as single tire on back of the truck, there are many creations where such setup is and I think it looks fine. We might as well see more narrow version for front, similar to 43,2mm tires, that would be awesome. 2017 was very scarce in terms of new molds compared to 2016 so I think they should throw some new nice parts.

There are traiers in reality with single (wider and smaller than usual truck) tires. Because Mack is longnose truck it is possible that in-line 6 cylinder engine is under hood and between seats despite it would look wired 

[jotta93]

I don't think TLG will make another engine mold. We've seen in the past (most recently with 42070) that not all the sets have fake engines similar to the real life. Since this is a licensed set, if it were to have a fake engine then it would have 62.4 tires to make it in the same scale and closer to the real Mack trucks. But since is only 1H, it will most like have 49.5 tires and no engine.

But I'm secretly rooting for the first option, how cool would it be to have a fully functional Mack truck in the same scale as the Arocs. And I can only dream about how awesome 2H sets would be in this case

[Erik Leppen]

I would expect a V6 in the truck, rather than an inline. The cylinder configuration may not be realistic that way, but the shape would be better, and it would be better than no engine at all I'd say.

Also, expect the wheels to be 49.5; not 62.4. If the wheels are 25% larger, the whole truck has 2 times as much volume, so will be about twice as expensive, so I would want twice the functionality to justify a possible purchace. I don't expect this from a 1H set. Also, the silhouette of the tires seem to suggest they are 49.5s, which are relatively wider than 62.4s.

 

Edited September 6, 2017 by Erik Leppen

[Ngoc Nguyen]

It turns out there is nothing new in the live at Lego Vaults. Just some interviews. What a let down.

[1gor]

18 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

It turns out there is nothing new in the live at Lego Vaults. Just some interviews. What a let down.

Lucky for me that I didn't have time to watch 

[AttentionSpanner]

It is bad that I'm dreaming for a small, transversely-mounted mid-(or-front)-engined car, like a Lotus Elise, or an mk2 Ford Focus RS, with McPherson front suspension and multilink IRS? Like, besides a new differential and modified 6.5L shock absorbers with balljoints on top, it shouldn't need that many new pieces, should it? On a colour different than red, or orange? Or black? 

Anyway, to get back in topic, do we know anything about the 42056 successor (if it exists), or shall we wait until 2H2018? 

[Ngoc Nguyen]

Yes it is bad because this is not a speculation topic.

[Saberwing40k]

The 1h rally car could be exactly what you need. I don't think it will have Mcpherson strut suspension, because heaven forbid Lego do any suspension besides double wishbone.  Is it so wrong that I want Lego to do other suspension besides the standard double wishbone stuff? I mean, virtually every Lego Technic vehicle with independent suspension has the same setup, while in reality there are many different ones. And, isn't part of the Technic ethos authenticity?

Rant aside, we'll be getting a rally car, of some fashion, in white in 1h 2018. We don't know of any features or functions. As for a successor to 42056, I'd say we'd have to wait until Toy Fair, which is at the end of January, although a listing may or may not leak earlier. Even then, it would probably look like "Ultimate IP Mk2", or something similar, as the Porsche was listed as that before it was revealed.

[mattthewise]

Are there any official pictures of these sets yet? I don't really have time just yet to read or even skim through the whole topic.

[Jim]

Just now, mattthewise said:

Are there any official pictures of these sets yet? I don't really have time just yet to read or even skim through the whole topic.

Nope. When there are official pictures, you will see them in the first post of this topic.

Official news will most likely come from the Toy Fair in Nuremberg (31st of January) or a few days/weeks before that.

[tgrbailey]

Unless I've completely lost the plot won't these come out 1st Jan - or earlier - looking on S@H I ordered some 2017 H1 sets on 21st December 2016!

 

so we'll likely see something official November/December?