Marvel Superheroes 2018 - Set Discussion

[LegoFjotten]

Riiiight.... cause no child would ever want the BIG Hulkbuster... they want the small one... 

Not that it matters much anyway. The set is happening. Most likely sales will fall within an expected range and the show will go on.

[Scarilian]

2 hours ago, Kevii23 said:

We’ve seen the front and back of the box made by a potato camera. -snip- Sets look better in person or at least in pictures like how the IW sets ‘leaked’. 

These are'nt really potato quality images, maybe you could say the back image is - but the front image is fairly crisp and high quality enough to read some of the text on the title card. Official images will presumably reveal the back of the set and maybe they will surprise us also by showing articulation that the set currently does not seem to have judging via appearance. Though the design of aspects such as the torso are still going to be inaccurate and the proportions are still going to look strange. Whoever designed this went with more humanoid proportions whereas the Hulkbuster has odd proportions - the main body of the Hulkbuster is about half the height of a leg (From the foot to the knee = same height as torso)
 
Everything on the official set is too high-up stretching the body, it's around 4-6 blocks longer that it should be for the torso. The design of the Torso is also a bit off on the official figure because the upper smooth pieces are curved inwards around the top of the chest with an obvious gap down the middle rather than pushing outwards and close together like the version it is based on. The main issue with the torso lies in how flat it is, which does not help with the proportions either.

1 hour ago, ood0 said:

Exactly, this set will likely be a total failure financially.

I doubt it would be a total failure financially, people will buy the set to mod it (such as myself) or for the pieces it includes which are bound to include some new recolours and maybe a new piece or two - also those less focused on an accurate model will end up getting the set and posting good reviews simply because it's a Hulkbuster, rather than for how accurate or well designed it is. It takes some aspects from the Ninjago Fire Mech but seemed to not take all the aspects it needed.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Scarilian

[TurnOffTheDark]

1 hour ago, ood0 said:

That's because they look good. The Hulkbuster does not.

 

Exactly, this set will likely be a total failure financially.

I think that's a little too harsh, is this hulkbuster really that abysmal? I think it looks fine 

[GoldenNinja3000]

It’s growing on me a bit. If it’s the rumored $160, I might wait for a sale, but if it’s around $120-140 then I’ll get it at full price. What I want to see the most are some official pictures of the set as well as how it looks next to the figure. It doesn’t look like it could be as short as 11 inches but we’ll see. 

[Scarilian]

30 minutes ago, GoldenNinja3000 said:

It doesn’t look like it could be as short as 11 inches but we’ll see. 

Ninjago Fire Mech - 14 inches ($69.99, £59.99, €69.99) - 944 pieces (6 figures)
Ninjago Quake Mech - 12 inches ($89.99, £79.99, €79.99) - 1202 pieces (5 figures)
Garma Mecha Man - 11 inches ($59.99, £59.99, €59.99) - 747 pieces (4 figures)
Hulkbuster: Ultron Edition - 10.43 inches ($160?) - ? pieces (1 figure)

The back of the box definitely states 26.5cm and 10.43 inches - so the size is definitely correct - making it one of the smallest mechs.

If it is $160 then it should arguably have a piece count of around 2000+ like the Destiny's Bounty - with about 1700 on the main build and the rest allocated to the stand, arms, table and mini-builds - and similar to that set i hope the conversion rate would equate to about £100ish. I could easily see myself getting it for full price if it's around £100 (would still use VIP points though)

Edited February 4, 2018 by Scarilian

[Whovastron]

What we’re people expecting though honestly? The quality of superhero sets has never been fantastic, especially in the last year or so. It seems almost verging on juniors simplicity in design sometimes. Just look at some of the design choices on the UCS Helicarrier - cockpit window? Wrongly coloured black parts and incorrect blue propellers? It’s definately not given the love that themes like Star Wars are.

fortunately the sets this year do looks improved. The general release BP and IW sets look great - even the general Hulkbuster is a huge improvement on the 2015 one, and the sanctum is gorgeous. I think this UCS Hulkbuster does simplify some things though. However this may simply be the price point, with an extra 1000 pieces and a few inches in size and the detail of a Star Wars UCS this could be amazing, but that probably won’t sell, and the shapes are very curvy. I think for the price this is a very good rendition, and the photos on the box are not doing it justice based on the angle and positioning. Just check out the hologram at the bottom, the legs are much closer to what the “real” suit looks like.

 

[Scarilian]

1 hour ago, Whovastron said:

What we’re people expecting though honestly?

Given we did not know what the UCS set would be, expectations were incredibly low - and this set still manages to be worse. Brick Burst has a video on the subject.

1 hour ago, Whovastron said:

However this may simply be the price point, with an extra 1000 pieces and a few inches in size and the detail of a Star Wars UCS this could be amazing, but that probably won’t sell, and the shapes are very curvy.

From what we have heard this is $160 - if that price is not accurate then some of my remarks may not apply, however it seems that allocation of budget seems to be an issue with this set. Most the Hulkbuster is as expected, not perfect, but passable. The arms and legs fall into this category. The torso however is the focal point, and it just looks unfinished/wrong. The aggravating part of all this is that they clearly had a ton of spare pieces after building the Hulkbuster - yet rather than use them to refine the Hulkbuster torso or maybe put the budget into another figure, instead we get them put into;

• A base
• Two mechanical arms
• A spare Hulkbuster arm
• A table with two displays
• Two Micro builds (Car and Veronica)

None of these aspects were necessary and all of them feel tacked on and a bad allocation of budget if the main design is underwhelming because it looks unfinished. Couple this with it feeling like a step backwards from the advancements in Lego Mechs in the Ninjago movie line-up.

• Fire Mech gave us waist to leg attachments that could move in, out, forwards and backwards.
  - The Hulkbuster gives us waist to leg attachments that can only move in and out.
• Quake Mech gave us dual shoulder connections preventing sagging while also introducing a technique that enables full 360 degree rotation.
  - The Hulkbuster gives us single shoulder connection that will sag making display difficult.
• Fire Mech & Quake Mech gave us 360 degree rotation of the elbow.
  - The Hulkbuster gives us only forwards and backwards at the elbow.

Overall for a set that is going to be priced a lot more than the Ninjago Mech's, why does it have none of the great features that the Ninjago Mech's do?

Edited February 4, 2018 by Scarilian

[THELEGOBATMAN]

20 hours ago, Scarilian said:

Ninjago Fire Mech - 14 inches ($69.99, £59.99, €69.99) - 944 pieces (6 figures)
Ninjago Quake Mech - 12 inches ($89.99, £79.99, €79.99) - 1202 pieces (5 figures)
Garma Mecha Man - 11 inches ($59.99, £59.99, €59.99) - 747 pieces (4 figures)
Hulkbuster: Ultron Edition - 10.43 inches ($160?) - ? pieces (1 figure)
 

Thst doesn't sound great  But Hulbuster is much more bulier and wide and has more bricks. Well, but this sounds funny

[Bricky Dee Williams]

It’s inportant to note that though it’s the main build, Lego is accounting (if not overstating) the value of the side build/displays. This appears to include larger pieces such as there black 8x16 plates. Not justifying it, just proposing.

[rob-ot5000]

$125, I believe.

[SpiderJazz]

I've seen the new trailer for Avengers: Infinity War from SuperBowl. It features new Cap shield, I must say the claws are the closest thing they could give if they are not going to do a new mold. Still they don't show IronSpider arms just Spidey climbing to that circular/portal thingy in Queens.

Box arts are out there but not in greatest quality, hopefully it will be released soon. 

[Digger of Bricks]

 

[GoldenNinja3000]

1 hour ago, rob-ot5000 said:

$125, I believe.

For the Hulkbuster? That price is much better. I think it’ll be a day one purchase for me (thanks to my VIP points) but I’ll have to see clearer images just to make sure. 

[GeekByKnight]

I wasn't keen on the claw pieces they gave Cap, but having seen what he's working with in the trailer, they'e actually pretty friggin perfect. 

[SpiderJazz]

20 minutes ago, GeekByKnight said:

I wasn't keen on the claw pieces they gave Cap, but having seen what he's working with in the trailer, they'e actually pretty friggin perfect. 

Correct, but if you're okay with 3rd party accessories actually there's plenty vambraces to choose from. I'm trying to get one of those.

[Bricky Dee Williams]

52 minutes ago, GoldenNinja3000 said:

For the Hulkbuster? That price is much better. I think it’ll be a day one purchase for me (thanks to my VIP points) but I’ll have to see clearer images just to make sure. 

I agree, $125 is much easier to swallow than $160. Especially with ONE minifigure included. It hurts, but it’s not insult to injury.

[AmericaLego]

2 hours ago, SpiderJazz said:

Box arts are out there but not in greatest quality, hopefully it will be released soon. 

Are they on the usual spots? I’m having no luck finding them.

[SpiderJazz]

49 minutes ago, AmericaLego said:

Are they on the usual spots? I’m having no luck finding them.

Nah, I don't think famous leakers have uploaded it yet. It's a little bit hard to find. 

[AmericaLego]

6 minutes ago, SpiderJazz said:

Nah, I don't think famous leakers have uploaded it yet. It's a little bit hard to find. 

Yeah true. Hopefully they find their way to those accounts soon.

[Scarilian]

I've seen an edited image of a Hulkbuster where part of the waist segment is removed making the proportions look better and it does not seem that difficult to replicate in set form.

$125 is a lot more manageable, hopefully we see official images of the set soon though given the lack of VIP release that could be a while. Next public display would be 17 - 20th Feb at the New York Toy Fair.

[linnormlord]

10 hours ago, AmericaLego said:

Are they on the usual spots? I’m having no luck finding them.

 

9 hours ago, SpiderJazz said:

Nah, I don't think famous leakers have uploaded it yet. It's a little bit hard to find. 

comicbook.com posted an article on 2/4/18. It embeds the leaked image. I don't know why that's ok, but they aren't hosting the image.

I've been away for a while, and hadn't seen any of the leaks since December. I am excited for what they did with the 6 main sets.

Then I saw this Hulkbuster. I don't think it looks good. It looks pretty ugly to me. I feel like it has too many very large and bulky pieces, it makes it look less detailed. The light up functions look neat, but are probably the reason the model is so big and bulky - they needed to hide the battery pack and light bricks. The articulation issues also derive from the lighting - only joints capable of sustaining that weight could be used. It's probably not fair to judge based on a single angle. Here's hoping that it looks much better from other angles or IRL. 

[THELEGOBATMAN]

19 hours ago, rob-ot5000 said:

$125, I believe.

That's much better than 160$.

I think the claws are the best choice for Cap.

[Scarilian]

38 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

I think the claws are the best choice for Cap.

I think a new print for this shield could work if we get his shield in a later set.

[GeekByKnight]

2 hours ago, Scarilian said:

I think a new print for this shield could work if we get his shield in a later set.

Yeah, but those shields are bigger than the claws, no? Scake wise the claws are a better fit.

[Bricky Dee Williams]

57 minutes ago, GeekByKnight said:

Yeah, but those shields are bigger than the claws, no? Scake wise the claws are a better fit.

Absolutely, those are almost as tall as the torso and legs of a minifigure combined.