The Lego Movie 2 - The Second Part 2019 Set Discussion

[Anonknee Muss]

18 minutes ago, BrickJagger said:

Amazing how these set are coming out in January yet we know almost nothing about them. Part of that is due to this being the most boring "leak season" in a very long time, but still. 

Most boring leak season? Good. This means Lego is cracking down on leaks, this is good. 

40 minutes ago, Robert8 said:

The movies themes are wacky enough to introduce something like that

The first one had Benny's helmet, Bad Cop scribbled face and Unikitty

Point taken. 

Heres an idea for a set, the Statue of Liberty post-apocalyptic expansion pack, xtra pieces to turn the architecture set into an apocalyptic set! 

[BrickJagger]

32 minutes ago, J4ck said:

Most boring leak season? Good. This means Lego is cracking down on leaks, this is good. 

Is it though? There's something exciting about seeing stuff that isn't supposed to be seen yet. There's been an argument over this topic ever since EB started. The obvious cons are Lepin stealing designs or whatever, but that doesn't affect me nor does it affect anyone on these boards.

The pros are that leaks aren't exactly nuclear weapon plans and are almost exclusively shared by Lego fans who intend to spend money on the sets and would like to plan out what they want to get in advance. For example, I'd like to see at least a set list for the TLM2 sets so I can set aside money if there's something I want to get. Lepin can't copy designs solely from a set list and that type of "leak" is pretty much harmless.

Without leaks, news topics have become stale and hard to read with little productive discussion going on, IMHO.

[Fenghuang0296]

22 minutes ago, BrickJagger said:

Is it though? There's something exciting about seeing stuff that isn't supposed to be seen yet. There's been an argument over this topic ever since EB started. The obvious cons are Lepin stealing designs or whatever, but that doesn't affect me nor does it affect anyone on these boards.

The pros are that leaks aren't exactly nuclear weapon plans and are almost exclusively shared by Lego fans who intend to spend money on the sets and would like to plan out what they want to get in advance. For example, I'd like to see at least a set list for the TLM2 sets so I can set aside money if there's something I want to get. Lepin can't copy designs solely from a set list and that type of "leak" is pretty much harmless.

Without leaks, news topics have become stale and hard to read with little productive discussion going on, IMHO.

My points exactly. 

I have a very strict budget, and I like to be very precise with my money. I want to know if I should put money aside from this year or make some more sets from this year a priority over what's coming next year. 

Screw Lepin. I mean, look at the junk they made based on the Ninjago Movie - they made sets based on the trailer. And, frankly, I suspect they're doing something similar as we speak. 

I want news! Information! Pictures!

[Aanchir]

As much as I also love to be able to plan purchases in advance, I don't know whether LEGO benefits so much from that. Loads of discussion in threads for 2019 sets can mean spending less time following threads about 2018 sets that I might not have gotten yet. Being able to get excited for those future sets and save up money for them can make me less likely to spend as much as I planned on this year's sets because I'm holding out for the new stuff.

And for a lot of people, that initial hype from seeing or hearing about an exciting new thing can fade quickly — especially if the meantime, other exciting news and announcements start popping up to compete for both your attention and your savings. How do you maintain the same excitement for those LEGO Movie 2 sets you've had names and pictures of for a month (and that aren't coming out for another two and a half months) when all your friends have run out of things to say about them and are now all abuzz about that huge, carefully orchestrated, widely publicized announcement Brand X made just hours ago?

As a result, leaks three to four months in advance can potentially result in fewer purchases of both this year's LEGO sets AND next year's. Not to mention take a lot of the oomph out of the publicity campaigns LEGO has spent a lot of money getting ready to release closer to the end of the year, because they no longer have nearly as many new details for people to discuss.

Furthermore, think about how many times the AFOL community's impression of a new set or theme has been tarnished by getting incomplete or not yet finalized details about it, letting their imaginations fill in the blanks, and then finding that the actual product was vastly different from what had been imagined:

• "New theme 'LEGO Atlantis' coming in 2010!"
  "Oh wow, it's that ancient Greek theme we've always wanted! Can't wait for all those Greek soldiers, gods, and monsters! Not to mention all that classical architecture!"
  "It's a fantasy deep-sea diving theme with futuristic submarines, giant brick-built sea monsters, and creepy mutant fish people!"
  "Blech! All those bright colors are awful, and these don't even look like real submarines! It's just as bad as Power Miners was! Maybe worse!"
   
• "New ninja theme with new ninja colors coming in 2011!"
  "Whoa! It's been over a decade since the last one! Colors sound weird but I can't wait to build some awesome Japanese castles!"
  "It's a Saturday morning cartoon show with color-coded teenage superheroes using magic tornado powers to fight skeletons in giant battle vehicles!"
  "What the hey is this nonsense? Skeletons in army helmets on motorcycles? This is the worst thing since Galidor! Guaranteed to flop hard!"
   
• "New LEGO trademarks leaked: 'Speedorz' and 'Legends of Chima'!"
  "Huh… 'Speedorz' sounds like some futuristic racing theme? Neat! And oh, there was an Indian tribe with a name that sounds vaguely similar to Chima! Historic theme maybe?
  "And here's a mysterious catalog image of a crystalline sphere on a blue backdrop marked '2013'!"
  "Whoa, maybe it's that 'Polar Expedition' theme we've been hearing rumors about? Or even an Ice Planet reboot! A third theme to look forward to!"
  "It's a wacky science-fantasy theme with talking animals driving animal-shaped vehicles and fighting over magic power crystals!"
  "What's this nonsense LEGO? You cancelled Ninjago for this? You aren't meeting any of our expectations!"
   
• "Elves sets coming in 2015!"
  "Ooh, I bet it's a new Castle theme! I can't wait to get more yellow-skinned warrior Elves to go with the one from Minifigures Series 3!"
  "It's pretty and sparkly and magical and has mini-dolls and cute colorful animals!"
  "Ugh, girl stuff is gross! And what are these weird colors all about? LEGO, you ruined everything!"
   
• "New Castle/Knights theme with fantasy monsters and stuff coming in 2016!"
  "Oh my gosh it's the spiritual successor of Fantasy Era! Can't wait to get me some orcs and dwarves and maybe even those elves we were hoping for this time?
  "BOOM! It's a medieval-inspired world full of space-age techology!"
  "Booo! LEGO, why do you hate your fans so much?"
   
• "New theme with the placeholder name 'AL' is showing up in the database Target uses to check their store inventories!"
  "Oh man, quick, think of all the things that start with A! Adventurers? Atlantis? Aliens? Agents? Astronauts? Alpacas?"
  (You can probably predict how this one might end…)

So yeah. Do I want to know more about what to expect for The LEGO Movie 2? Sure! Would it help me plan my budget for next year? Absolutely! Would I gleefully absorb every detail I can see as soon as I became aware of new pics? Almost certainly! But do I think that LEGO's concerns over leaks are a bunch of overblown nonsense? Not remotely. The very real concerns about knock-offs beating them to market are just ONE of the issues that can arise from carefully planned announcements and marketing campaigns being spoiled by far less polished and coordinated leaks

[BrickJagger]

Good points. You're right about the "initial hype" fading, but that really only happens to me with the summer sets. Even then, those sets are officially revealed at NYTF in February, so we'd have to wait 4-6 months at least to get the sets being shown regardless.

The winter sets are really only about two months: The January prelims tend to leak in mid-late September, and the sets themselves often come out in early December, as I imagine would be the case with TLM2

45 minutes ago, Aanchir said:

Furthermore, think about how many times the AFOL community's impression of a new set or theme has been tarnished by getting incomplete or not yet finalized details about it, letting their imaginations fill in the blanks, and then finding that the actual product was vastly different from what had been imagined:

I might be in the minority here, but to me that's exactly what makes it exciting. It turns out to be disappointing most of the time, but I like putting together every little detail and predicting what a theme will turn out to be.

[Yooha]

4 hours ago, Aanchir said:

 

Furthermore, think about how many times the AFOL community's impression of a new set or theme has been tarnished by getting incomplete or not yet finalized details about it, letting their imaginations fill in the blanks, and then finding that the actual product was vastly different from what had been imagined:

....

Are those real quotes, or only examples of opinions before/after the revealing of the themes?

[PenPlays]

4 hours ago, Yooha said:

Are those real quotes, or only examples of opinions before/after the revealing of the themes?

You could argue that those are paraphrased quotes, but were definitely before/after opinions all the same.

And it happens that way every time a new theme name/concept is leaked early.

[Laura Beinbrech]

13 hours ago, Aanchir said:

Furthermore, think about how many times the AFOL community's impression of a new set or theme has been tarnished by getting incomplete or not yet finalized details about it, letting their imaginations fill in the blanks, and then finding that the actual product was vastly different from what had been imagined:

Oh my goodness, this is so accurate, and I must admit that the following bit had me laughing harder than I should have, because I think I was one of the few people defending the addition of another minidoll based theme at the time:

Quote

"Elves sets coming in 2015!"
"Ooh, I bet it's a new Castle theme! I can't wait to get more yellow-skinned warrior Elves to go with the one from Minifigures Series 3!"
"It's pretty and sparkly and magical and has mini-dolls and cute colorful animals!"
"Ugh, girl stuff is gross! And what are these weird colors all about? LEGO, you ruined everything!"

But yeah, the above, highly-accurate summary of the over-hyped expectations from the AFOL community over early leaks, followed by the collective groans of disappointment when the actual sets & themes were revealed is why I try to not get too excited about early leaked/vague promotional stuff one way or the other anymore. 

9 hours ago, Yooha said:

Are those real quotes, or only examples of opinions before/after the revealing of the themes?

They may not be exact quotes, but they do nicely summarize the general theme of what people were saying, both during the initial leak & speculation phase, as well as the actual press release/disappointment phase for those themes.  I've been around EuroBricks long enough to have seen pretty much all the early speculation threads for every single one of those (except Atlantis, since that was released 2 years before I joined) when they happened, and Aanchir pretty much nails exactly what went down in all those threads, only far more succinctly....

[Aanchir]

10 hours ago, Yooha said:

Are those real quotes, or only examples of opinions before/after the revealing of the themes?

Just paraphrasing… I'm already a little bothered by how long it takes me to get my thoughts out sometimes; if I had to go digging up quotes from 6+ different topics I'd never get any sleep! Plus if I intended to present them as real quotes I'd usually try to link to my sources so people could verify I wasn't making them up.

I didn't even cite all the examples, either, just the ones I remember seeing as the discussions were happening. I've seen in discussions from before I was old enough to join Eurobricks that Agents (2008) was pretty contentious in its own right, in part simply due to categorization — the Agents rumors topic was originally placed in the Eurobricks Town and Trains subforum, and many Town fans were INCENSED when it was discovered that the theme included stuff like cyborgs, oversized vehicles, and loads of weapons (opinions were not helped at all by the shoddy quality of those earliest leaked pics). I wouldn't be surprised if these sorts of AFOL reactions to early leaks vs. official reveals have been going on even longer than that.

13 hours ago, BrickJagger said:

I might be in the minority here, but to me that's exactly what makes it exciting. It turns out to be disappointing most of the time, but I like putting together every little detail and predicting what a theme will turn out to be.

It's not the drama of unrestrained speculation/wishful thinking or the surprise of the actual reveal that bothers me so much as the lasting effect those first impressions can have on how the theme continues to be perceived in AFOL circles. If a theme is announced that people recognize in the first place isn't going to interest them (or at least, recognize for which of their interests it's most likely to cater to) then even if they don't like it, they stand a better chance of appreciating what it brings to the table. But getting your hopes up for something a theme was never intended to be can result in people feeling like LEGO held their "dream theme" out in front of them only to snatch it away and replace it with an inferior substitute, even when that isn't really what happened. And that can leave some lingering soreness.

A lot of AFOLs who might have appreciated the idea of Friends paving the way for a girl-targeted theme with more advanced builds and an epic, high fantasy quest narrative. Elves might be perceived more as more exciting upgrade of a controversial theme (Friends) than an off-target downgrade of already widely respected ones (Castle/The Lord of the Rings/Fantasy Era). Likewise if AFOLs' first exposure to Nexo Knights was the idea that it was the first official LEGO theme based around future/space knights like the sort of "Spastle" or Warhammer 40K inspired MOCs that AFOLs have been making for decades, they might have been able to respect the novelty that brings to LEGO more than they did by getting hyped up for Fantasy Era 2.0 — or, after later rumors, a more steampunkish type of mashup theme — and getting something that scarcely resembled either of those things.

[x105Black]

On 9/15/2018 at 7:24 PM, Robert8 said:

Looks great.

The only thing I dont like is that the batman logo seems to be molded into the piece instead of just printed, which means that armor cant be reused out of the theme

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed.

On 9/18/2018 at 7:10 PM, BrickJagger said:

Is it though? There's something exciting about seeing stuff that isn't supposed to be seen yet. There's been an argument over this topic ever since EB started. The obvious cons are Lepin stealing designs or whatever, but that doesn't affect me nor does it affect anyone on these boards.

The pros are that leaks aren't exactly nuclear weapon plans and are almost exclusively shared by Lego fans who intend to spend money on the sets and would like to plan out what they want to get in advance. For example, I'd like to see at least a set list for the TLM2 sets so I can set aside money if there's something I want to get. Lepin can't copy designs solely from a set list and that type of "leak" is pretty much harmless.

Without leaks, news topics have become stale and hard to read with little productive discussion going on, IMHO.

I agree.  Leaks (to a degree) are good.

[Anonknee Muss]

There’s no room for disappointment if there’s no info leaked in the first place.

I agree with @Aanchir.

Edited September 21, 2018 by J4ck

[x105Black]

10 hours ago, J4ck said:

There’s no room for disappointment if there’s no info leaked in the first place.

Sure there is.  In fact, more.  At least the leaks can help temper my expectations.

[Digger of Bricks]

On 9/18/2018 at 10:05 PM, BrickJagger said:

I might be in the minority here, but to me that's exactly what makes it exciting. It turns out to be disappointing most of the time, but I like putting together every little detail and predicting what a theme will turn out to be.

Same here, though I don't set my expectations too high as so to only be likely disappointed, as it rather sets me up to be pleasantly surprised if my hopes do come to fruition. 

And, since we've on the subject of leaking, has anyone suspected that TLG themselves instigate these leaks in some way? Are there any other toy companies and their respective product lines that have such a "leak culture" surrounding them like Lego and its fan community does?

[Aanchir]

4 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

And, since we've on the subject of leaking, has anyone suspected that TLG themselves instigate these leaks in some way? Are there any other toy companies and their respective product lines that have such a "leak culture" surrounding them like Lego and its fan community does?

Leaks do happen for a lot of toy lines, at least those with adult fanbases (My Little Pony and Transformers are two that come to mind). For the most part, though, they are unintended. The idea that LEGO intentionally leaks future products is a popular conspiracy theory in some circles but most of the time the way leaks get out is more of an inevitable consequence of LEGO having to keep retailers and other business partners "in the loop" about upcoming products, without any guarantee that those companies will be sufficiently careful to keep confidential pics and info under wraps.

[obsidianheart]

8 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

Are there any other toy companies and their respective product lines that have such a "leak culture" surrounding them like Lego and its fan community does?

Transformers.

[Digger of Bricks]

16 hours ago, Aanchir said:

The idea that LEGO intentionally leaks future products is a popular conspiracy theory in some circles but most of the time the way leaks get out is more of an inevitable consequence of LEGO having to keep retailers and other business partners "in the loop" about upcoming products, without any guarantee that those companies will be sufficiently careful to keep confidential pics and info under wraps.

While I can see how preliminary catalog leaks come about thanks to retailer employees, how does it work exactly with factory minifigure leaks? Are there AFOL "moles" on the floor of these factories? Who else would be so enthusiastic or care enough as so to risk their jobs over something like that? 

[Lyichir]

1 hour ago, Digger of Bricks said:

While I can see how preliminary catalog leaks come about thanks to retailer employees, how does it work exactly with factory minifigure leaks? Are there AFOL "moles" on the floor of these factories? Who else would be so enthusiastic or care enough as so to risk their jobs over something like that? 

I mean, firstly, they wouldn't necessarily have to be typical "AFOLs"—I'm sure working at Lego would be enough to generate at least a passing interest in the brand. And in the case of licensed themes, it's not just a matter of being a Lego fan, but also of being excited by whatever pop culture license is involved. In those cases, they're not just leaking a toy, but a potentially unseen character from the latest Star Wars/DC/Marvel movie.

Minifigures are also really, really small, and easy to stuff into a pocket. So that lessens the risk involved considerably. Add in the potential reward (in cases where the figs are sold for well above their value to YouTubers craving an early scoop) and it's easy to see why it could be a tempting proposition, at least for less scrupulous employees.

[Anonknee Muss]

18 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

While I can see how preliminary catalog leaks come about thanks to retailer employees, how does it work exactly with factory minifigure leaks? Are there AFOL "moles" on the floor of these factories? Who else would be so enthusiastic or care enough as so to risk their jobs over something like that? 

So basically the employees steal them and sell them to the leakers on instagram. Then the leakers on instagram pretend the minifigures aren’t stolen and really try and glorify theft. It sickens me.

[Falconfan1414]

For some reason it seems they have moved the winter cmf series to February this year, not January 

[Pop Star c o]

1 hour ago, Falconfan1414 said:

For some reason it seems they have moved the winter cmf series to February this year, not January 

Oh, man!

[Robert8]

4 hours ago, Falconfan1414 said:

For some reason it seems they have moved the winter cmf series to February this year, not January 

I wonder if this will be like Series 15: February for the US. January for like the rest of the world

 

[Anonknee Muss]

1 hour ago, Robert8 said:

I wonder if this will be like Series 15: February for the US. January for like the rest of the world

Since I live in the U.K. I wouldn’t complain with that. Although I would feel sorry for you although you do get a few exclusive promotional sets.

[dimaks13]

13 hours ago, Robert8 said:

I wonder if this will be like Series 15: February for the US. January for like the rest of the world

 

It's February in Europe too tho.

[Digger of Bricks]

On 9/25/2018 at 8:29 AM, Falconfan1414 said:

For some reason it seems they have moved the winter cmf series to February this year, not January 

Unless I'm forgetting something, this is our first confirmation of a CMS for the sequel, right? Any other information out there about it besides its release date? Figure count perhaps? 

[Anonknee Muss]

4 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

Unless I'm forgetting something, this is our first confirmation of a CMS for the sequel, right? Any other information out there about it besides its release date? Figure count perhaps? 

I think it has been confirmed by other leakers before however no other information has been revealed yet. The only thing we know is that there is one and now we know it’s going to be released in February opposed to January. There’s been speculation to which figures, figure count etc. but nothing confirmed.