LEGO Ninjago 2019

[benderisgreat]

30 minutes ago, dimaks13 said:

The red armour samurai isn't emperor.

How do you know? He looks way more detailed then the rest of them.

[K_Tiger]

3 hours ago, Thedarkmaster2 said:

 

You don't know that, the ghost tail by your definition would be dead ends when they were released.

 

 

Ooh, now I want that armor in black, with matching trans-whatever crystals and ghost tail.

 

2 hours ago, Boogly22238 said:

Jay and another snake guy leaked. This one is black and not on fire. Looks really nice 

Yeah that snake is pretty cool.

[Digger of Bricks]

3 hours ago, Thedarkmaster2 said:

But you wouldn't have known that the very first year it was out.

Of course one would, as it's immediately apparent in the repurposer's eyes to be just another generalized minifigure component for generic ghostly archetypes, similar to the Series 6 Genie's lower assembly part. On the other hand, parts such as this ice samurai's armor and helmet are not as easy for Lego to repurpose compared to more general samurai armor/helmet parts that came before it. I mean, what kind of CMF could they be reused/recolored for? A Frozen Samurai Mummy CMF? 

It's a shame, because it's a dual-molded samurai helmet, one that could've had a more generally-shaped crest that can still be given a Trans-Light Blue "frozen" treatment, but more easily recolorable for future reusage beyond undead frozen samurai figures. 

2 hours ago, Lego David said:

Well... No, never heard of him.

Ah, 'tis a pity, as he's one of my all-time favorite builders! 

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3 hours ago, Lego David said:

Even if they end up never being used afterward, smart MOCers will still figure out a way to use them in their MOCs.

Why of course!  But, I was only lamenting on Lego's part for the sake of potentially short-lived molds.

[Brickwraith]

1 minute ago, Digger of Bricks said:

Of course one would, as it's immediately apparent in the repurposer's eyes to be just another generalized minifigure component for generic ghostly archetypes, similar to the Series 6 Genie's lower assembly part. On the other hand, parts such as this ice samurai's armor and helmet are not as easy for Lego to repurpose compared to more general samurai armor/helmet parts that came before it. I mean, what kind of CMF could they be reused/recolored for? A Frozen Samurai Mummy CMF? 

It's a shame, because it's a dual-molded samurai helmet, one that could've had a more generally-shaped crest that can still be given a Trans-Light Blue "frozen" treatment, but more easily recolorable for future reusage beyond undead frozen samurai figures. 

The thing is, they are designing the parts to represent a undead frozen samurai, so they are going to design the mold to best represent that, they aren't designing it for future uses, they are designing it for this wave. Besides, there are already a bunch of basic samurai armors, so a specialized one would make more sense as a new mold, not a basic one when they could just reuse an older part.

[Digger of Bricks]

1 minute ago, Brickwraith said:

The thing is, they are designing the parts to represent a undead frozen samurai, so they are going to design the mold to best represent that, they aren't designing it for future uses, they are designing it for this wave. Besides, there are already a bunch of basic samurai armors, so a specialized one would make more sense as a new mold, not a basic one when they could just reuse an older part.

They could've generalized the shaping of the mold beyond its coloring to some degree, thereby giving the mold potential for a life beyond Ninjago. 

Like I said earlier, any one-and-done mold is a sorry shame, especially for a line they have total creative control over. 

[benderisgreat]

18 minutes ago, Digger of Bricks said:

They could've generalized the shaping of the mold beyond its coloring to some degree, thereby giving the mold potential for a life beyond Ninjago. 

Like I said earlier, any one-and-done mold is a sorry shame, especially for a line they have total creative control over. 

No offense but you complain a lot. I mean as it was said earlier in this thread all Niniago molds are made with specific character/ faction in mind. If they make ice zombie/samurai minifigure they didn't need to make more general mold. They apperently wanted ice coming out of armor, so that's what they did. Also this thread seriously isn't a place to complain about how new molds aren't reusable outside of Niniago. Just saying.

[Digger of Bricks]

1 minute ago, benderisgreat said:

Also this thread seriously isn't a place to complain about how new molds aren't reusable outside of Niniago.

Just judging the product not as a whole, but parted-out as all Lego sets should eventually be.

This is a topic for product discussion, right?

[dimaks13]

1 hour ago, benderisgreat said:

How do you know? He looks way more detailed then the rest of them.

There's one in the smallest set.

Edited March 15, 2019 by dimaks13

[Exetrius]

@Digger of Bricks I agree that one-and-done moulds are less than ideal from an R&D perspective and from a MOCers perspective, but that doesn't mean these are bad designs. Some fans get excited by realistic/generic stuff, others by extreme/unique stuff. I can think of plenty of minifig customizers (including myself) who would love to use the chestplate and other parts with ice for OCs (original characters). And others who prefer to leave the figures as they are will simply enjoy them as they are. 

I do see recolour potential in the samurai helmet: I'd like the translucent part to be gold or flat silver. Reminds me of these, btw: https://legouniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Samurai

[Boogly22238]

I don't think that samurai is the emperor, probably just a high ranking character.

Maybe the armor might be harder to reuse but you could certainly repurpose the helmet

1 hour ago, Digger of Bricks said:

They could've generalized the shaping of the mold beyond its coloring to some degree, thereby giving the mold potential for a life beyond Ninjago. 

Like I said earlier, any one-and-done mold is a sorry shame, especially for a line they have total creative control over. 

Did you also feel this way about, say, the Vermillion armor/helmets?

[Thedarkmaster2]

2 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

Of course one would, as it's immediately apparent in the repurposer's eyes to be just another generalized minifigure component for generic ghostly archetypes, similar to the Series 6 Genie's lower assembly part

Not comparable. One's duel molded the other is a simple piece. It could have possibly never have been used again.

 

2 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

Lego's part for the sake of potentially short-lived molds.

Once again you cannot know that at the time of release. That's the whole point. You can't know whether a mold is going to be short lived or long lived at the time of release! The very bionicle mask you showed was used from 2004 to 2007 that's relative long life compared to Galidor!

23 minutes ago, Boogly22238 said:

Did you also feel this way about, say, the Vermillion armor/helmets?

Probably not, then again he hates the Vermillion because they're snakes. And we can't have those now can we.

especially if they have flames! (Even though the black one lacks head flames so he should be ok with it by his own admission)

[Fenghuang0296]

Oh my god, the new villains all look so badass! I was actually considering passing on this entire wave for budget reasons, but OMG these are gorgeous and I need them! I just hope the builds live up to it . . 

[Thedarkmaster2]

4 minutes ago, Feng-huang0296 said:

Oh my god, the new villains all look so badass! I was actually considering passing on this entire wave for budget reasons

The villains are definitely unique. Sure some people will say the snakes are unoriginal, but IDK I think they are cool. Hopefully the sorceress doesn't end up killed like General Machia was. The ice samruai look cool and their armor/helmets are original if not very useful.

[Digger of Bricks]

1 hour ago, Exetrius said:

I agree that one-and-done moulds are less than ideal from an R&D perspective and from a MOCers perspective, but that doesn't mean these are bad designs.

Yes, they are admittedly great designs in terms of their craftsmanship, but I merely can't see their long-term potential. That's all. 

1 hour ago, Exetrius said:

I do see recolour potential in the samurai helmet: I'd like the translucent part to be gold or flat silver.

Well then, here's to hoping Lego makes the best out of a boxed-in situation they've seemingly put themselves in. 

1 hour ago, Boogly22238 said:

Did you also feel this way about, say, the Vermillion armor/helmets?

48 minutes ago, Thedarkmaster2 said:

Probably not, then again he hates the Vermillion because they're snakes. And we can't have those now can we.

Not really, as they could be generically reused for, say, an evil counterpart to both the Series 3 and Series 13 Samurai CMFs. But the "frozen" samurai helmet and armor? Seriously, tell me what sort of generic CMF could those be reused for, because all I can come up with is Frozen Samurai Mummy. 

P.S. When did I say I hate snakes BTW? Earlier on this topic, all I said is that I'd wish to see non-flaming snake mummies. So yes, I'm somewhat more forgiving of the "toasted" snake mummy.

1 hour ago, Thedarkmaster2 said:

Not comparable. One's duel molded the other is a simple piece. It could have possibly never have been used again.

I don't see the difference you're citing. To me, they're both generic "ghost contrails" for minifigures.

1 hour ago, Thedarkmaster2 said:

You can't know whether a mold is going to be short lived or long lived at the time of release!

Of course, and let's hope I'm wrong; but, could you please speculate on how they'll use these parts in the long-term future? 

[DarthLeapyous]

Wow these minfigures are great! The new black snake with the classic serpentine tail is awesome. I think he still has a duel-mold fire aspect to him though (if you look at the sides of his neck you can see what appears to be translucent fire molding). Also wonder why Jay was GREEN energy stuff coming from his hood.

[Dr.Cogg]

Because both enemy factions seem to be dead/undead, I wonder if both factions are from the early days of Ninjago, back when TFSM was around.

Edited March 15, 2019 by Dr.Cogg

[DarthLeapyous]

I'm interested to see lore-wise how these new serpentine connect with the rest of the original 2012 serpentine. They don't seem to resemble any other serpentine tribe (even though they are mummies) and it makes me wonder if there are certain "lost tribes" or something.

[Fenghuang0296]

Does anyone else think we might see Pythor this season? My theory is that these snakes are the evolutionary ancestors of the present-day Serpentine, mummified and preserved, and Pythor has somehow awakened them. And then the ice zombies rise up in opposition to them and Ninjago gets caught in the middle. 

[Agent Kallus]

7 minutes ago, DarthLeapyous said:

 Also wonder why Jay was GREEN energy stuff coming from his hood.

It's trans-yellow over blue making it look green.

Whilst I like the new parts I do understand @Digger of Bricks's point about future proofing but I'd echo the sentiment that that only applies to the armour piece and not the helmet, though many other reusable ninjago parts haven't been, like the ghost's hoods in the possession wave or the cultists helms.

[Digger of Bricks]

2 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

Whilst I like the new parts I do understand @Digger of Bricks's point about future proofing but I'd echo the sentiment that that only applies to the armour piece and not the helmet, though many other reusable ninjago parts haven't been, like the ghost's hoods in the possession wave or the cultists helms.

True, and that's the sad irony. There are a great many useful parts that still haven't seen any sort of repurposing/recoloring after their debuts. 

[Exetrius]

25 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

Whilst I like the new parts I do understand @Digger of Bricks's point about future proofing but I'd echo the sentiment that that only applies to the armour piece and not the helmet, though many other reusable ninjago parts haven't been, like the ghost's hoods in the possession wave or the cultists helms.

 

20 minutes ago, Digger of Bricks said:

True, and that's the sad irony. There are a great many useful parts that still haven't seen any sort of repurposing/recoloring after their debuts. 

 

From the top of my head, almost every wave featured new moulds that have never been recoloured, or even used, after that. But that applies to many - if not most - themes. Think of Atlantis, Ultra Agents, but also to Dimensions and much loved CMF. 

[Aanchir]

10 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

Damn, this wave is churning out quite a few dead-end/going-nowhere-after-this molds! First the flaming snake heads, then Zane's frozen headwrap, and now icicle-encrusted samurai armor and helmet parts?! 

Can someone here please tell me how any of these molds will be able to be used after the fact? Outside of the Ninjago theme that is?  

I mean, in sets? Some of it might not be, but there's no way of knowing for sure. After all, we've seen seemingly highly specific parts unexpectedly repurposed before plenty of times. Even if dual-molded, often all it takes is a recolor to make it look very different from what it originally appeared as. Who ever expected a Spartan helmet, mermaid tail, fairy wings, a tutu, a bunny hood, Clay's sword from Nexo Knights, etc. to be used on BATMAN, of all characters? Or for the Scurrier body from Nexo Knights to be repurposed as some weird character from an old Beatles cartoon? Or the snake whip from the 2012 Ninjago spinners to become Mixel boogers?

That said, it's not like it's unusual at all for LEGO to introduce molds and use them exclusively in just one theme or context for decades. I mean, the Forestman hat, Dragon Master helmet, and bullet-shaped helmet with chin guard have only ever been used on castle minifigures. The fantasy era dwarf and troll helmet were never used on any figures besides fantasy era dwarves and trolls. The shako and bicorne hat from LEGO Pirates have each only been used ONCE outside of a pirate-related theme (on the Toy Soldier minifigure from the LEGO Minifigures Character Encyclopedia and a skeleton ship captain from Fantasy Era castle, respectively). The Swamp Creature and Frankenstein's Monster headgear have only appeared on figures inspired by those particular monsters, usually in specifically monster-based themes or subthemes.

And it's not like ANY of the ninja or samurai headgear pieces introduced to date have ever been widely used in non-ninja-related themes. In fact, when Lord Garmadon used the classic samurai helmet in 2011, he was the first minifigure to wear that helmet in well over a decade, AND the first outside the short-lived original Ninja theme!

The "flames" on the new snake heads could be treated as crystal or glass decoration on an ancient statue in any number of themes just as easily as they represent flames in this theme. In transparent light blue it could easily become a decorative fountain, or in green it could become algae on an underwater treasure (for example, in a sunken ship), or in an opaque blue and green combination it could represent represent the head of Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent. It's not as though LEGO has never used "fire" pieces to represent things besides fire, after all!

The frozen headwrap? LEGO could easily recolor it for the next time they want to bring ghosts into Ninjago, seeing as the ghost ninja minifigures from 2015 had headgear with a similar two-color mold, and it also looks like it might be the new standard for future "elemental" or "energized" versions of the ninja (forgoing the need for printed elemental patterns like the NRG versions had). By recoloring it with a solid color in the back, it could even become a mask that exposes the wearer's spiky hair.

Icicle-crusted samurai helmets and armor? Put them in an opaque "earth tone" and it becomes rock or petrified wood! Put it in a less icy transparent color and it becomes crystal. Put it in transparent yellow and it can be crackling lightning. Plenty of other crystalline-textured parts have already illustrated this kind of versatility in the past.

And naturally, when it comes to MOCs, anything goes!

[Fenghuang0296]

54 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

It's trans-yellow over blue making it look green.

Whilst I like the new parts I do understand @Digger of Bricks's point about future proofing but I'd echo the sentiment that that only applies to the armour piece and not the helmet, though many other reusable ninjago parts haven't been, like the ghost's hoods in the possession wave or the cultists helms.

Yeah. The ghost hood story in particular, I'm really sad that they were never reused, because some of those were great. 

I won't quote @Aanchir's post because it was so long, but I agree wholeheartedly with everything he just said. I particularly like his idea about colouring the flame parts of the new snake heads in blue and using them as fountains. Do it, Lego! Please!

[Thedarkmaster2]

2 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

Not really, as they could be generically reused for, say, an evil counterpart to both the Series 3 and Series 13 Samurai CMFs. But the "frozen" samurai helmet and armor? Seriously, tell me what sort of generic CMF could those be reused for, because all I can come up with is Frozen Samurai Mummy.

different colors

1 hour ago, Digger of Bricks said:

True, and that's the sad irony. There are a great many useful parts that still haven't seen any sort of repurposing/recoloring after their debuts

So you admit you don't know?

35 minutes ago, Aanchir said:

Icicle-crusted samurai helmets and armor? Put them in an opaque "earth tone" and it becomes rock or petrified wood! Put it in a less icy transparent color and it becomes crystal. Put it in transparent yellow and it can be crackling lightning. Plenty of other crystalline-textured parts have already illustrated this kind of versatility in the past.

I think you really worded it better than I did, plus you could recolor it red for fire!

1 hour ago, DarthLeapyous said:

it makes me wonder if there are certain "lost tribes" or something.

I won' speculate on story until we get more stuff, but there's likely a connection

2 hours ago, Digger of Bricks said:

So yes, I'm somewhat more forgiving of the "toasted" snake mummy.

ok cool

 

[zoth33]

The Ice Zombie looks sweet. The armor and helmets look great.  The torso's and heads look awesome.   I'm gonna be getting a lot of these sets, I hope there will be minifigure packs for the Ice Zombies.  I need a Ice Zombie army.  As far as the discussion on reusing specific moulds Lego has done alot of one and done before, It personally doesn't bother me.  Look at alot of the Chima and Nexo knights stuff that hasn't been reused.  I'm fine with specific moulds for specific factions or characters it makes them more unique.