Siegfried Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 I have to wonder about the appropriateness of someone named "sinner" posting in thread about relgious discussion :-D Interestingly the same point was made last year! X-D But aren't we all sinners? Ooops! That sounds like a religious discussion.... ;-)
Nikola Bathory Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 It would be better not to discuss religion here, 'cause that will get me banned *vader*
KimT Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 The only religion to discuss here is LEGO The only politics to discuss here is the ones concerning LEGO for example VAT and enviromental issues concerning the oversized packing of LEGO. Take Your real-world discussions elsewhere like facebook or religiousblabla.com >:-) KimT
blueandwhite Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 I have no problem with keeping a lid on religious discussion. We are a small community here and any contentious or heated debates only serve to splinter a group of people with a common interest. I respect the right of others to speak their minds, but I'm also well aware that this is not a public forum. I guess what it comes down to is that anybody has the right to speak their mind. Conversely, the administration also has the right to ask individuals to leave when those same persons discuss an unwelcome topic. People need to remember that freedom of speech is a right granted by governments, not private organizations (and even that right has limits). Anybody who wishes to create a LEGO forum that allows for the discussion of political or religious topics is free to do so, just as others have created LEGO forums where there are almost no non-LEGO discussions allowed (Classic Castle for example). It is simply the owner/creator exercising his or her right to create an environment that he or she is comfortable with. We as users are simply guests who are free to leave (or be asked to leave) at any point.
Opproperaar Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 I have no problem with keeping a lid on religious discussion. We are a small community here and any contentious or heated debates only serve to splinter a group of people with a common interest. I respect the right of others to speak their minds, but I'm also well aware that this is not a public forum. I guess what it comes down to is that anybody has the right to speak their mind. Conversely, the administration also has the right to ask individuals to leave when those same persons discuss an unwelcome topic.People need to remember that freedom of speech is a right granted by governments, not private organizations (and even that right has limits). Anybody who wishes to create a LEGO forum that allows for the discussion of political or religious topics is free to do so, just as others have created LEGO forums where there are almost no non-LEGO discussions allowed (Classic Castle for example). It is simply the owner/creator exercising his or her right to create an environment that he or she is comfortable with. We as users are simply guests who are free to leave (or be asked to leave) at any point. Couldn't say it better myself. In spite of me liking to be able to discuss such matters, you have a good point I can only abide by.
Asuka Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 Sadly, religions and politics´re always tending to unite some people by separating them from others.... so I agree, we should act very carefully when we get close to these themes and avoid to debate those issues. Especially in an unnecessarily personal way or in anger. Unfortunately, they´re still a part of our daily live and individual backgrounds as well and it would be hard to eliminate them completely from our board, but luckily we still should be able of simply using our ordinary common sense from time to time.... to create an atmosphere of tolerance and mutual respect. People need to remember that freedom of speech is a right granted by governments, not private organizations (and even that right has limits). The freedom of speech... was postulated within the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948, and also by some governments before that time, but it was never given to the people by governments nor any other authorities. This right was earned by the tears, the sweat and the blood of numberless and most of the time nameless men and women who even gave away their peculiar lifes just to hold on to their dreams and to enable a better future for all of us. And in some countries people keep on dying for that right... now. We are not allowed to forget about this.
hollisbrick Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 In some ways politics arn't too bad to disscuss about in some ways they can be funny and talked about in a unserious matter. For example payong out Kevin Rudd (the primeminister of Aus.) and how he looks like a character from south park X-D haha instead of "some killed kenny" people can say "someone killed Kevvy". See? but religion is too serious in my opion and shouldn't be joked about incase someone's feelings get hurt even though you might have trying to be funny or something.
Opproperaar Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) but religion is too serious in my opion and shouldn't be joked about incase someone's feelings get hurt even though you might have trying to be funny or something. I disagree. Humour helps one to relativate situations. To place things in perspective, and it makes people happy in the process too. The minute people can't laugh anymore and start taking offense to what's being said is the moment society is in trouble. The moment something becomes a taboo. Sure, you can still discuss it in a serious adult kinda way but humour shows, in its own way, that you're completely fine with debating every possible topic, no matter how personal. And that's still something else than outright mockery or sarcasm. The entire Dutroux-affaire shocked many here in Belgium yet it couldn't stop people making jokes about a psychopathic pedofile who locked little girls in his basement for many years. But that wasn't because they were out to shock the families of the girls that died, nor the girls that survived the entire ordeal. If you make fun of something because you're deliberately after them (as individuals or as a group) personally and you're out to hurt them (of course meaning what you say) - that's wrong. If you make fun of something because you have a sense of humour, because you want to point out certain things or something else that doesn't involve taking the mick out of people - that's good and by all means will I promote it. Whether such humour is about our daily lives, religion, politics or anything else. But since THAT is forbidden as well on EB I can hardly do so here. (I've been knocked in the chamber once for doing a similar thing and I don't intend to do so twice.) Edited March 29, 2008 by Hairy Ruben
ZoL Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 And that's still something else than outright mockery or sarcasm. The entire Dutroux-affaire shocked many here in Belgium yet it couldn't stop people making jokes about a psychopathic pedofile who locked little girls in his basement for many years. But that wasn't because they were out to shock the families of the girls that died, nor the girls that survived the entire ordeal. I am offended that you see it that way, I don't see anything funny about that! I find it disturbing. I haven't even heard about it before, but from what you said, it seems highly disturbing. If I saw a topic here on that subject, or anywhere else on a Lego forum, and it was joking around, I would report it, and incorage the staff to delete it. I'm not saying that, if we could be serious about it, without joking, we shouldn't be able to discuss the matter, but it is hard to not joke around about these serious topics, it's human nature. But one joke in a serious topic, people get offended, it spreads, more people get offended, the staff comes in, closes the topic, and it becomes forum clitter. Rant on
trooperdavinfelth Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) I am offended that you see it that way, I don't see anything funny about that! I find it disturbing. I haven't even heard about it before, but from what you said, it seems highly disturbing. If I saw a topic here on that subject, or anywhere else on a Lego forum, and it was joking around, I would report it, and incorage the staff to delete it. I'm not saying that, if we could be serious about it, without joking, we shouldn't be able to discuss the matter, but it is hard to not joke around about these serious topics, it's human nature. But one joke in a serious topic, people get offended, it spreads, more people get offended, the staff comes in, closes the topic, and it becomes forum clitter.Rant on Agreed completely. Wait, is this thread still here? How can a thread like this still be around? *wacko* For gosh's sakes, it's almost like you WANT to have religious discussions here! >:-( Don't you know people get CHAMBERED for stuff like that? *jabs thumb at self* :-| And now you're arguing about how religious humor should be used? This isn't disturbing... It's... Criminal. You people surprise me. Get help. Immediately. 8-| P.S. Not you, Lord Sylp! *sweet* Mostly Hairy Ruben. |-/ The point is, HR, you may have funny intentions in what you're saying but the person you say it doesen't know that. Then the next thing you know is you've hurt his feelings. Then you're yelling at him. Then you stop yelling for some reason, because you can't yell in the Chamber. There are REASONS threads like these get locked, reasons which I'm sorry to say you are bringing out. Edited March 29, 2008 by trooperdavinfelth
Captain Green Hair Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 I can state that i'm an atheïst and that i find this forum unfit to discuss religions. But if you want to debate, add me to your MSN and we'll talk ;-)
trooperdavinfelth Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 I can state that i'm an atheïst and that i find this forum unfit to discuss religions.But if you want to debate, add me to your MSN and we'll talk ;-) There you go... Such a great summary! There are MUCH better ways to discuss this... And now that Captain hair( ;-) ) has spoken, this can and hopefully will be closed. *sweet*
snefroe Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 yeah... i think the staff has answered the question, time to close the topic, before it gets out of hand...
Siegfried Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 yeah... i think the staff has answered the question, time to close the topic, before it gets out of hand... I agree Sne. I was holding off as I was hoping it would just die off and it looked like it was a few hours ago... but looks like could be waiting a while now. :-/
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