Kintobor's Cosplay Mafia Day One: Super Mafia Bros

[Khscarymovie4]

Unvote: Joker (Asphalt) 

Now that we have some real teeth chattering my joking observation has no place. 

I am a bit scared of all these votes for our pal-on-tolo... plant girl. I don't agree with her voting choice but I don't think it warrents half of the needed votes in less then 24 hours. I feel there may be some scummy waggon ridder's on this here lynch party. 

23 hours ago, Rider Raider said:

I’m going to use my random day one throwaway vote on Ellie Sattler, because I’ve never met a trustworthy paleobotanist. 

Vote: Ellie Sattler (legomonorailfan)

 

17 hours ago, jluck said:

Yep, I’ve seen these Miller claims for many years now and not once has it turned out to be a scum lie. Not saying this isn’t the first time, but I’m inclined to let it pass for now. 

In the interest in poking the bear I’ll 

Vote: elli Satler (legomonorailfan)

she just seems to be a little zealous right now...

 

16 hours ago, fhomess said:

/shakes head disapprovingly

/nods head in agreement

/cocks head to one side with an eyebrow raised.

There will be a first time for it, but I haven't seen it yet, either.  The thing that the folks voting for Hera need to figure out is whether or not they have reason to think the miller claim is a lie.  What does Hera gain in comparison with what she loses.  If Hera's a townie, then it's the right move.  I think by now we can rest comfortably with the notion that no one else is coming forward to counter-claim.  To me, miller is a bit of a dangerous claim for scum because if they have a night action, they can be discovered as not a miller in multiple ways and they have little way of knowing if the town possesses any of those abilities.

Vote: Ellie Sattler (LegoMonorailFan)

She is easily the most scummy to me at this point, which is saying something for so early in the game.  

This doesn't sit well with me... seems contradictory.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Forresto said:

Good thing Harley doesn’t have a lasso of truth! 

*taps your can with mine in toast then chugs*

You don’t wanna, wanna Fanta? Awwww Man...ah

~

I was going to wait for more discussion and eat cold pizza but given time is nearly up i’ll cast my vote.

The claim of a miller, whatever that is (I don’t think I’ve ever encountered such a role), on day one is a bold one. Such boldness could be seen as a ploy to hide in plain sight. 

I am unsure as to how we should react to Hera Syndulla (StickFig). 

Eliminating her would eliminate any doubt of her alligience. Would that be worth more to the town then risking she is what she claims and not scum?

I also am unsure of Ellie Sattler’s (LegoMonorail) “helpfulness”. In my mind that can either be benign or attempting to gain control of the situation. 

I believe in voting someone out on day one. It provides valuable data either way it turns out. Let’s also not pretend it’s mostly arbitrary. 

Hera has only two votes while Ellie has four. While I suspect Ellie more I must vote for who is more likely to be voted out for the above reasons. Therefore...

Ellie Sattler (LegoMonorailFan)

—

I’d like to amend a sentence with a logical fallacy. 

Eliminating Ellie Santiss would eliminate any doubt of her allegiance. Would eliminating her potential threat be more beneficial to the town then putting stock in her potential ability? Especially if it’s true that any investigation will only reveal her as scum even if she’s not?

Seems a very convenient disguise for scum to me.

 

9 hours ago, Tariq j said:

You don’t consider it Lynch worthy and prefer not to have a lynch, but have voted for her anyway? I feel like we’re reading into the Miller claim too much, as well as trying generate a discussion for Day One, the Miller claim could save time later in the game. Say Hera hadn’t claimed and the investigator investigates her later in the game, He/She gets a scum result back, they reveal it in the day thread and we spend the day discussing it and lynching her. That’s a whole day wasted. By having the claim now we can avoid that scenario. 

Vote: Ellie Sattler (Legomonorailfan)

I get where you’re coming from with that, but then to claim this early, Hera would have to tread on egg shells for the rest of the game in order to make herself town. There are so many roles like the tracker, watcher, etc. That could catch her out here.

Out of these votes I don't like the Batwomen and the Super-not Superwomen-women's votes the most. Mrs. Superwomen or wait Wonder Women it is seems to vote just because it's the closest to a boot for all of us here. She clearly would prefer the Hera girl but still votes for the most. I feel day 1 is a starting point for all things to come, we see how others act and how they feel. Bandwagoning on day 1 (or any day) is very unhelpful to the town if you are just doing it because. I feel we should all be truthful and then vote for who we feel needs to go. I'm just so curious as to why you want a day 1 lynch. Do you feel it helps the town? Are you not scared we could kill a PR and maybe end up with 3 dead friendlys come sunrise? Also if you voted for Hera she would have equal amount of votes as Ellie. I would say that party is just as likely for a lynch as the Ellie one. Though truth be told I don't see any lynch likely today, but even so I just feel you should vote with your brain and just vote to get someone kicked off this fair collection people. 

The Bargirl's vote also has me pale. Though that may be because it's getting dark and I'm a skeleton. But she seems to "get where your coming from" but still votes for her. If you disagree with someone thought process but understand it, then I don't know why you would vote for them. Just try and tell them why you disagree. Voting for them when they already have a vote if 3 when you understand them just sounds very bandwagoning and nothing more.

I don't trust these two. I don't trust any of you, but these two especially. Vote: Batgirl (Traiq j) as vote scares me more as he is more experienced then the WW girl. I don't like either of them though. I will say scum know when a bandwagon is in process and know that they could get caught joining one. I'm not sure why scum would try and join a bw when it's day 1 and unlikely anyone will get lynched. It just seems to make them stand out more. I find those two votes scummy but just wanted to throw out more thoughts. 

Hey admiral,  I have a problem with food and water. So could you just bring me a bone to chew on it something?

[Tariq j]

20 minutes ago, Foreman said:

I just hate bob before day one, a pirate superman, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard

Well to be fair, the start of Day One usually has a lot of role playing as we don’t always have something to go on. But even if someone does come out with something crazy (which I guess he kind of did ) doesn’t immediate make him scum.

 

2 hours ago, mostlytechnic said:

Well, keep in mind that a miller isn't really a town "role" - it's just something to confuse us. A miller is no more useful to town than any vanilla townie - so the only benefit to town is, well, his vote. In all my previous conventions, I've seen several miller claims. As far as I can remember, they've all been legit. But at some point the scum will certainly use it. So to me, voting for our miller is no better nor worse than any other vote today, since we don't really have anything to go on. 

True, I guess what I was trying to say was assuming the claim is correct, which I think is likely, it’s better to have that town player in the game than not at all. Granted, Ellie could very well have a PR role as you said, but it just felt like an easy vote for me.

[Asphalt]

Why so Serious guys? 

*Looks around furtively* Can I say that without a lawyer present?  HAHAHAHA!

But Seriously folks, we know so little about each other.  I came here for a show, maybe a few autographs.  *looks at wonderwoman and winks*. maybe a few photographs.  But it looks like we have a little bit of a war on our hands.  SO far as I can tell any one of you could be this "Scum" you keep talking about.

 

[mostlytechnic]

44 minutes ago, Khscarymovie4 said:

Out of these votes I don't like the Batwomen and the Super-not Superwomen-women's votes the most. Mrs. Superwomen or wait Wonder Women it is seems to vote just because it's the closest to a boot for all of us here. She clearly would prefer the Hera girl but still votes for the most. I feel day 1 is a starting point for all things to come, we see how others act and how they feel. Bandwagoning on day 1 (or any day) is very unhelpful to the town if you are just doing it because. I feel we should all be truthful and then vote for who we feel needs to go. I'm just so curious as to why you want a day 1 lynch. Do you feel it helps the town? Are you not scared we could kill a PR and maybe end up with 3 dead friendlys come sunrise? Also if you voted for Hera she would have equal amount of votes as Ellie. I would say that party is just as likely for a lynch as the Ellie one. Though truth be told I don't see any lynch likely today, but even so I just feel you should vote with your brain and just vote to get someone kicked off this fair collection people. 

To me, what's worse is the day 1 lynch wagons have a serious potential to out one of our PRs. I've seen times where a PR was getting wagonned, had to publicly claim on day 1 to save themselves, and then weren't nearly as useful the rest of the game (occupied a bunch of the other PRs' time protecting them and so forth). I MUCH agree that day 1 it's more important to see how people vote and who they vote for, than it is to actually lynch someone. 

[Asphalt]

1 hour ago, mostlytechnic said:

To me, what's worse is the day 1 lynch wagons have a serious potential to out one of our PRs. I've seen times where a PR was getting wagonned, had to publicly claim on day 1 to save themselves, and then weren't nearly as useful the rest of the game (occupied a bunch of the other PRs' time protecting them and so forth). I MUCH agree that day 1 it's more important to see how people vote and who they vote for, than it is to actually lynch someone. 

Well then Wow, did I blow it voting on a whim. 

[mostlytechnic]

19 minutes ago, Asphalt said:

Well then Wow, did I blow it voting on a whim. 

No, not yet. That's normal. Early votes on day 1 tend to be random, joking or poking votes. How could anyone have anything to go on? And then either 1 bandwagon forms and someone gets lynched, or a couple form and no one does. Either way, later analysis recognizes that your early vote wasn't serious. If you don't have anyone you really think deserves a vote, then leave it, and people will think what they will from it. Or if you think someone IS suspicious, then change your vote. Either way, you didn't blow it (IMHO).

[Asphalt]

Well then Mr. Moody it would seem I am in a dilemma.   *steeples fingers in classic bond villain fashion* Do I hold as I am, apparently allowing all to live another day, or do I throw in with a popular vote and send someone off of the island?  What to do, what to do? 

[StickFig]

5 hours ago, Kintobor said:

24 hours remain.

"So, apparently we're not only getting transmission issues BUT someone's messing with our clocks... you still have 24 hours left in the day. I'll take full responsibility for this shenanigans."

Well, I suppose I was premature in sharing my parting suspicions.

4 hours ago, mostlytechnic said:

Why do you think you'll die tonight? It doesn't appear that you're getting lynched (unless things change over the next 24 hours), and the scum would have no reason to kill you whether your claim is true or not. The ONLY way you'd die tonight is a vig kill, and that'd be risky since I'd expect the scum to watch you with any abilities they have hoping to catch the vig. I'd say the odds of you dying tonight are far lower than any of the rest of us.

Honestly I expected to be a vig kill; you make a great point though, and I can't see any way that sharing that strategy helps scum, but it is certainly helpful for other townies to be thinking along those lines. Thanks!

[Bob]

5 hours ago, Foreman said:

can I still say something, bob say your prayers, for tomorrow you may very well die

 

4 hours ago, Foreman said:

I just hate bob before day one, a pirate superman, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard

 

Arrr...What the blue blazes did I ever do to you?? I've never met a man with such a vendetta against me in any of these games...of life on this here board. I think the last time I was voted off for roleplaying was in Witch Hunt Mafia when I proposed we should have fish tacos. 

Yar har lads, I've seen some right stupid votes being thrown out today, along with silly alliances proposed and various claims, yet I've been keeping me eye open just like I said I would and despite the vitriol thrown around by some or one, I've decided to: 

Vote: jluck / Legolas Twinleaf

I too have been around long enough to see the Miller used in games. I'm not going to go back to every previous game and fact check Legolas' claims that every Miller claim has been a townie, because there's been many games and quite frankly I don't remember which ones had the Miller in them, even the ones I was apart of. Let's start at the beginning. Hera comes in and says first thing that she's the Miller after being called out for not speaking. That sparks a flurry of conversation about the Miller in which Finn is confused about it, but then decides to blame me for it for some reason. 

Next, the False Pretender Pirate Barbossa arrives to tell us all about the Miller and to direct us towards Legolas for his sage advice on the Miller. So then, Ellie wades in and says that she finds the Miller claim as suspicious as Finn does, and then ultimately votes for Hera. Coming full circle to Legolas posting to tell us all about the miller and that he's voting for Ellie because she's "zealous", jumping onto Doc Brown's vote which he claims was meant to be "a joke but partially serious". Ultimately there's now a lynch wagon on Ellie Sattler that nearly led to her being killed were it not for a very split and jumbled vote. Regardless, it's very convenient that this particular vote spiraled into what it is so quickly. I'm not saying everyone who voted for Ellie is scum, just that it's worth watching.

I mean. Arr, I had been talking like a pirate the whole time, I swear. Ahoy. 

[Kintobor]

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

Hera Syndulla (Stickfig): 3 Votes (Foreman, LegoMonorailFan, mostlytechnic)

Wonder Woman (Forresto): 1 Vote (KotZ)

Superman (Bob): 1 Vote (Asphalt)

Batgirl (Tariq j): 1 Vote (Khscarymovie4)

Ellie Sattler (LegoMonorailFan): 5 Votes (Rider Raider, jluck, fhomess, Tariq j, Forresto)

Legolas Twinleaf (jluck): 2 Votes (Stickfig, Bob)

Mad-Eye Moody (mostlytechnic): 1 Vote (Lady K)

With 14 players a majority of 8 is needed to lynch. 17 hours remain in the day.

[fhomess]

14 hours ago, StickFig said:

Yes, I realize I've just called out three people who defended my miller claim.  

There's nothing wrong with that.  The odds that one of those three people is scum is fairly high.

12 hours ago, Lady K said:

So what I see here is two main choices appearing for Day 1.  

Hera:  In my past attendance at gatherings like we are here together today, I have had the experience of never seeing a scummy person pull off a Day 1 Miller Claim with great success to survive to the end of our parties.  I am therefore inclined to go with experience that this will be the case yet again; however since I am truly mortal just pretending to be able to reincarnate, I could be wrong and this could be a first time.

Ellie:  From my analysis of this lynch choice, I will note two important points.

1.  This is a quick forming bandwagon; with four votes (decent reasoning given), just the timing of the second and third votes coming in so quickly, could be an overlap of space/time or a scummy cosplayer trying to hide with a townie cosplayer.  This is yet to be determined, but worth noting.

2.  The choice of Ellie seems too convenient for Day 1; yes she did come in second on the miller claim and has shown some contradictions, however, would a real scum stand out like this on Day 1?  Maybe yes, maybe no.  So for now I will put her in the same category as Legolas and Chell; as yet to be determined, worth noting.

Good point, but would this really happen on Day 1?  Maybe yes, Maybe no.

As to the lynch/no-lynch discussion; I have spent too many gatherings discussing this issue both for and against on Day 1.  I would rather gather more information and generating more conversation (and voting is required) so I will vote: 

Vote:  Mad-Eye Moody (mostlytechnic)

He usually has good insight and hasn't given his thoughts recently.  I am curious to hear what he has to say on today's thoughts.

There are never just two main choices, which you demonstrate quite ably by voting for someone else later.  The best thing people can do is to vote for who they think is the scummiest and provide an explanation of why.  Voting randomly doesn't help us at all.

Do you find Mad-Eye any more or less concerning now that he's spoken out a bit more?

8 hours ago, Foreman said:

I just hate bob before day one, a pirate superman, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard

/shakes head sadly

I have to say, I quite like pirate superman.

 

/sneaks up behind Barbossa and steals his hat

/jumpflips over to Superman and places it on his head

/goes back and sits on unopened pizza box

 

 

[Tariq j]

12 hours ago, Khscarymovie4 said:

Bargirl's vote also has me pale. Though that may be because it's getting dark and I'm a skeleton. But she seems to "get where your coming from" but still votes for her. If you disagree with someone thought process but understand it, then I don't know why you would vote for them. Just try and tell them why you disagree. 

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that. All I'm saying here is that I can see both sides of the argument but I didn't like the way Ellie immediately went after the Miller claim, she's eight, it could be a scum claim, but that would rely on 1.) Most, if not all of the scum tram surviving so that Ellie doesn't inherit a major night action. 2.) There are no rolecops in the game. 

[Khscarymovie4]

8 hours ago, fhomess said:

/sneaks up behind Barbossa and steals his hat

/jumpflips over to Superman and places it on his head

/goes back and sits on unopened pizza box

 

 

 Where be my hat go?! Whoever stole me hat will have to hope my skeleton foot doesn't get stuck in their behind. It is very fragile so best be warned. 

3 hours ago, Tariq j said:

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that. All I'm saying here is that I can see both sides of the argument but I didn't like the way Ellie immediately went after the Miller claim, she's eight, it could be a scum claim, but that would rely on 1.) Most, if not all of the scum tram surviving so that Ellie doesn't inherit a major night action. 2.) There are no rolecops in the game. 

I don't agree with Ellie's desicion either, but I'm not sure if it warrents half the needed votes for a lynch, which you made appear as present. I just think you understanding her yet voting for her sounds bandwagony to me. Which is never good for day 1. 

I will say that Ellie has been changed from awfully loud to awfully quiet after receiving all these votes. @LegoMonorailFan you still have your vote on the old miller not miller. Are you still comfortable with this act?  Anyone else who be acting strange to thy? 

Any ways I better be finding me hat. That Finn guy seems to be an angry little pickle. I best be talking to him first off.

[Foreman]

right now, I don't think I will vote for bob, I think I'll 

Vote: Hera Syndulla (Stickfig)

because I don't trust the miller claim

[Asphalt]

Didn't you do that already Fin? Err Foreman, bah how are we supposed to dress each other if we all have two names?

[Foreman]

well I did but I want to remind people why I voted for Hera

[Kintobor]

Vote Count:

Hera Syndulla (Stickfig): 3 Votes (Foreman, LegoMonorailFan, mostlytechnic)

Wonder Woman (Forresto): 1 Vote (KotZ)

Superman (Bob): 1 Vote (Asphalt)

Batgirl (Tariq j): 1 Vote (Khscarymovie4)

Ellie Sattler (LegoMonorailFan): 5 Votes (Rider Raider, jluck, fhomess, Tariq j, Forresto)

Legolas Twinleaf (jluck): 2 Votes (Stickfig, Bob)

Mad-Eye Moody (mostlytechnic): 1 Vote (Lady K)

With 14 players a majority of 8 is needed to lynch. 3 hours remain in the day.

Edited November 11, 2018 by Kintobor

[Khscarymovie4]

1 hour ago, Foreman said:

well I did but I want to remind people why I voted for Hera

I'm not saying that we all need to believe the word of a they-said-miller, but honestly I don't understand why you are attacking them for this one reasons. It's ok not to trust people here. I trust no one but myself, but you seem to act as if there is no way the miller could be telling the truth. At least the other votes for thy seem to realise it's a day 1 vote and holds no weight. You seem to be sure that this gal is a scummy. At least your voting based off what someone has claimed instead of joke voting, which voting for my fake pirate counterpart would be doing. 

Anyway it seems the day is nearing it's end. I think it was good to discuss this miller claim, usually we mess around and chatter teeth about weather or not a first day lynch is best. Here I feel we got some good viewpoints of most of the participants here. Hope to see us well tommorow. Now as a side note I do tend to turn into a skeleton when the sun had fallen, so don't be too scared now. 

[Bob]

3 hours ago, Asphalt said:

Didn't you do that already Fin? Err Foreman, bah how are we supposed to dress each other if we all have two names?

Yar har! We be referring to ourselves by our character's names. I mean, our real names. Meaning that you be the Joker and I be Pirate Superman and not anybody else! Arrr. But if ye slip up sometimes that's okay too. We've all done it before. 

 

[Lady K]

On 11/10/2018 at 1:21 PM, mostlytechnic said:

Man, eat some bad pizza, go away to, um, get rid of it, and so much drama happens. 

Well, keep in mind that a miller isn't really a town "role" - it's just something to confuse us. A miller is no more useful to town than any vanilla townie - so the only benefit to town is, well, his vote. In all my previous conventions, I've seen several miller claims. As far as I can remember, they've all been legit. But at some point the scum will certainly use it. So to me, voting for our miller is no better nor worse than any other vote today, since we don't really have anything to go on. 

This is why millers are supposed to claim immediately. Later in the convention, they'd almost certainly get lynched. Doing it now, we can discuss and keep an eye on them if we choose to let them live.However, it'd be a great claim for a vanilla scum to make. They don't have any ability to get caught using (at least not till some of the scum team is gone and they're forced to take a role)

All that said... I'm in a pickle here. I strongly feel like the voting on Ellie is a typical day-1 bandwagon, and there's a good hunk of the scum team in there (particularly suspicious of Chell and Batgirl, given their position in the vote). By my count, the only people not yet voting are myself and pirate superman. But if we both vote Ellie, she still doesn't get lynched; we'd need someone to change a vote to take her out. 

But do I want to take her out? Yes, a lynch gives us info. But I've argued many times in previous scum hunts that it's not worth it. Killing off a fellow townie (based on the odds, that's what usually happens) takes away a vote and a potential PR. So I can't in good conscience try to join the bandwagon. The only other person with multiple votes on them is our miller-claimer. So that's where I feel like I need to vote. I'd rather take out someone who AT BEST is a non-PR townie, than risk taking out a potential PR. Plus, Ellie has been the most talkative person today. Would that be a scummo? Not usually. So I'm playing the odds here. 

Vote: Hera (stickfig)

(and Doctor, is that enough of my thoughts for you? I tried to get them all down here for the record)

Thank you Mad-Eye for your response.

17 hours ago, Asphalt said:

Well then Mr. Moody it would seem I am in a dilemma.   *steeples fingers in classic bond villain fashion* Do I hold as I am, apparently allowing all to live another day, or do I throw in with a popular vote and send someone off of the island?  What to do, what to do? 

This is the common dilemma everyone faces on Day 1 of these little get-togethers we have.  My experience in my time travels has led to the same conclusion each time; you must do what you think is best, provide a reason, and answer any questions others may have as to your decision.  

12 hours ago, fhomess said:

There's nothing wrong with that.  The odds that one of those three people is scum is fairly high.

There are never just two main choices, which you demonstrate quite ably by voting for someone else later.  The best thing people can do is to vote for who they think is the scummiest and provide an explanation of why.  Voting randomly doesn't help us at all.

Do you find Mad-Eye any more or less concerning now that he's spoken out a bit more?

/shakes head sadly

I have to say, I quite like pirate superman.

 

/sneaks up behind Barbossa and steals his hat

/jumpflips over to Superman and places it on his head

/goes back and sits on unopened pizza box

 

 

I find him a little less concerning than previously, however I do not agree with either bandwagon choices; and prefer to not risk losing a townie to a lynch today so I will leave my vote where it is.  

 

[Kintobor]

The ACTUAL Final Vote Count for Day One:

Hera Syndulla (Stickfig): 3 Votes (Foreman, LegoMonorailFan, mostlytechnic)

Wonder Woman (Forresto): 1 Vote (KotZ)

Superman (Bob): 1 Vote (Asphalt)

Batgirl (Tariq j): 1 Vote (Khscarymovie4)

Ellie Sattler (LegoMonorailFan): 5 Votes (Rider Raider, jluck, fhomess, Tariq j, Forresto)

Legolas Twinleaf (jluck): 2 Votes (Stickfig, Bob)

Mad-Eye Moody (mostlytechnic): 1 Vote (Lady K)

---

With 14 players a majority of 8 is needed to lynch. With no majority reached, the day ends with no lynch.

Day One is now over. You have 48 hours to send in your night action. A conclusion for the day will be posted shortly.

[Kintobor]

As the day wore on, the collective of cosplayers could not come to a majority to determine who to lynch. Emotions ran high as two attendees dressed as Hera Syndulla and Ellie Sattler seemingly gained traction. Before either of them could gain enough momentum to be removed from the game a buzzer went off and the group's host, Kintobor, reappeared on the projector screen.

"Are we coming in clear? Excellent. It's come to my attention that you all have decided not to eliminate a player. This is a disappointing development. Needless to say, I won't be keeping you all her in this room. That'd be unhygienic. I've booked the entirety of this convention hall AND the hotel, so if you could proceed to your rooms for the evening that'd be most appreciative.

Oh, and don't try to escape. You'll find that attempting to leave the convention centre before the game is over will have... explosive results."

With his ominous words foretold, the group heads to their rooms for the night, hoping for a peaceful night's rest. 

[Asphalt]

Umm I think someone got my key by mistake. My door won’t open and there is giggling.