9 hours ago, WvG_853 said:

No B Model! 

No B model, no functions...

They are not lazy designers, are they?

Edited November 21, 20186 yr by Yevhen

2 minutes ago, Yevhen said:

No B model, no functions...

They are not lazy designers, aren't they?

What do you know about being a designer for Lego? I would love to hear your input on their laziness...

Edited November 21, 20186 yr by Paul Boratko

1 minute ago, Paul Boratko said:

The Class was more expensive, not to mention, had 400 more parts... It also had no real body style to worry about, so the functions were easier to Incorporate...

IMO, a 4 speed gearbox in this set would not have been enough because after the Bugatti, a 4 speed in a car that traditionally has more than 4 speeds is going backwards....

And what do you mean by it is "unfinished" ? And  who has named this a "Supercar" ? This is just a $150 1:10 scale set...

Claas is a licensed tractor as well. It looks exactly like its real prototype.

A simple 4 speed gear box would perfectly fit for this supercar. Not 16 speed as it was in the orange Porsche, of course.

But the sport car without a gearbox at all is nonsense in my opinion.

I am sure that the designer could have easily added a 4 speed(or more) gearbox in this set if they wanted, but it probably wasn't in the plan or budget that they were given...

Or worse, maybe Porsche vetoed the gearbox

Just now, Paul Boratko said:

I am sure that the designer could have easily added a 4 speed(or more) gearbox in this set if they wanted, but it probably wasn't in the plan or budget that they were given...

Ok.

Then I won't use my budget either for this set!

Anyone expecting a gearbox hasnt been paying attention to recent trends:

- 42056 had a poor gearbox, and was just generally missing features for a technic set of that price level

-42063 was a whole $15 more expensive then the previous bike, and had much more parts, all dedicated to show over substance, the lack of a chain actually means that despite the telel-lever front suspenion, the BMW probably has less moving parts then 42036, despite having 228 extra parts, and no extra functions, again, style over substance in a licensed set.

- 42077 was missing features badly compared to its predecessors 42039 and 42000

- 42083 continues the trend of 42056 in being light on features for its pricepoint, and while the gearbox is improved, it also shows that designs this complex have problems in lego form, the slop in all the gearmeshes added up making for waaaaaaay too much play in the connection between wheels and engine.

 

Putting any kind of gearbox in 42096 would mean it surpasses 42056 as a set, unless they somehow manage to make an even worse gearbox. For half the price, that simply isnt happening, not in this short a gap between sets.

 

Personally i off course would have prefered a gearbox, even a basic manual fourspeed like 8880 had, but being realistic, that was never going to happen. At least we get a very cool display model (in that respect i much prefer this over 42056), and im willing to bet there is space in there for the die-had AFOL to put in a proper gearbox, especially with the wave-catch part.

We get a "budget" body/chassis which looks 100% on the mark, and get to fill in the blanks ourselves, or not, and just use it as a display piece.

I actually like this set.

+ The color scheme is fine, no longer fancy lego friends colors.

+ Lack of gearbox is a good thing: fewer parts, lower price, more space inside to motorize it.

+ Options for fine tuning: HoG, gap behind the front arches,...

+ New parts: arches, others? 

+ Reasonable price, in an eshop the price could get lower to 120Eur.

- Downside no B model, why??? 

5 hours ago, Paul Boratko said:

what other Racers set had suspension and a working steering wheel..?

I just found out that the set description text mentions suspension. Apparently I missed that. That makes it less bad. On re-reading the text though, I have to say it's pretty well hidden among all the other points.

What clear to me from the description text is that the whole sales approach is focused around the looks, not the functions. (now how there's much more text about the stickers, interior etc. than on the suspension), which mean I'm still in the "this should be Racers" camp. Even though there may not have been other Racers sets with suspension and working steering (except all the big F1 cars before 42000, which were more technical than this, yet still Racers). To me, Racers doesn't mean "no functions". It means "primary fucus is not on functionality". Technic, to me, should mean "primary focus is on functionality". 42096, to me, does not fit that description, so, to me, it should not be Technic. (Same goes, to me, for the pullbacks, but I can imagine that TLC uses them to lure new kids into Technic building).

And 3 functions for 1600 parts is just rather poor, especially given 42037 has the same 3 functions and even a set as small as 42022 had an additional original folding-roof function. The least they could have done, IMO, is have the same functions as 42039. Additionally, a simple 4-speed gearbox would raise it above the already-poor 42077, and a 4-function gearbox like in 8070 would have made it a pretty cool set.

I also think it's a pretty nice set. Definitely a nice parts pack.

26 minutes ago, syphoon said:

+ Options for fine tuning: HoG, gap behind the front arches,...

Well, as far as I can see, it's a part of the original Porsche 911 RSR 2017-2018 design. It has a cut-off rectangular hole behind the from wheels (to decrease the flow resistance, I suppose).
Look at the photo (it's 2017, yes, but the body is the same for the 2018 version too):

Am I the only one not feeling the transition from the doors to the rear quarter panel? I assume it is supposed to be a vent but I really don't like it  

9 hours ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

Or worse, maybe Porsche vetoed the gearbox

I'm sure it's simply a question of price/piece count/functionality balance. Everyone was complaining about the price of 42056 and the messy gearbox, well here is the low budget version without one. Win-win 

Not a fan of this one. The front end is too long, the change of colour from more white to black does not work. It looks like two different cars have been stuck together (front of one, middle of other etc). There is no colour transition. It needs more thought in my opinion.

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I am happy to see new fender pieces in a new size and in a good colour too, fingers crossed for stickers on those. Also happy to see a presumably working steering wheel, curved panels in white and another source of the BWE ring gears in black. I also think it looks really good overall. However I agree that it is rather light on functions. I know supercars don't have many functions, so why exclude one of the few functions a supercar does have, namely the gearbox? Especially with the new parts from the Chiron available. And with real supercars having limited functionality, have any attempts been made to improve existing functions, such as having a proper boxer engine, or a cam chain/belt, or Achermann geometry, or a more quality/authentic feel to the suspension and steering as a whole? We don't fully know yet, for now I'm on the fence with this one. It's functionality and release date is very first half, but it's piece count and price is second half. As nice looking as it is, I like authentically replicated mechanisms so it's looks alone may not temp me enough to buy it. I hope it sells well and I suspect it will, but perhaps not so well among adults.

1x1 beam with pin sticking out in white! And there are plenty of them!

Edited November 22, 20186 yr by TechnicRCRacer

On 11/21/2018 at 5:51 PM, Erik Leppen said:

which mean I'm still in the "this should be Racers" camp.

Just some very obvious observation from me here and you guys probably have discussed about it already, I'm noticing that maybe TLG might be somewhat integrating racers in the Technic line since the Power Racers Crashers are straignt-up brought back in the form of 42072 WHACK! and 42073 BASH!

Maybe TLG didn't want to take some risk of re-opening a discontinued theme and instead, try to subtly add some aspects? Not trying to defend the set, just again, some observation.

Edited November 24, 20186 yr by JJ Tong (zfogshooterz)

1 hour ago, JJ Tong (zfogshooterz) said:

...maybe TLG might be somewhat integrating racers in the Technic line...

....Maybe TLG didn't want to take some risk of re-opening a discontinued theme and instead, try to subtly add some aspects?...

That's what happens, when you (TLG) build a half baked model and then don't know, how to explain people your fail.

Edited November 24, 20186 yr by Yevhen

The model´s lenght is totally out of scale. Especially the front is too long (4 studs) and too high and bulky. The other dimensions suit the real counterpart pretty well though. 

	dimensions	scale in cm	theor. In	Lego model	Lego model	deviations
	in cm	1:10	studs	in cm	in studs	in studs
Length	455,7	45,6	57	50,0	63	6
Width	204,8	20,5	26	20,0	25	-1
Height	126,4	12,6	16	13,0	15	-1
Wheelbase	251,6	25,2	31	24,8	31	0

With bigger wheels would look better.

2 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

The model´s lenght is totally out of scale. Especially the front is too long (4 studs) and too high and bulky. The other dimensions suit the real counterpart pretty well though. 

	dimensions	scale in cm	theor. In	Lego model	Lego model	deviations
	in cm	1:10	studs	in cm	in studs	in studs
Length	455,7	45,6	57	50,0	63	6
Width	204,8	20,5	26	20,0	25	-1
Height	126,4	12,6	16	13,0	15	-1
Wheelbase	251,6	25,2	31	24,8	31	0

That is disappointing, did anyone ever do the math on 42056?

I guess ill just start out with building it, if the dimensions look wrong enough to bother me, ill put some effort into shortening it, thankfully the wheelbase and width/height are all good enough to be left alone, just taking a few studs out of the bodywork length should be the easiest dimension fix there is.

2 minutes ago, vectormatic said:

That is disappointing, did anyone ever do the math on 42056?

The 42056 Porsche GT3 RS was much more accurate (scale 1/8). Check out the review on brickset:

https://brickset.com/article/21572/review-42056-porsche-911-gt3-rs

 

7 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

The 42056 Porsche GT3 RS was much more accurate (scale 1/8). Check out the review on brickset:

https://brickset.com/article/21572/review-42056-porsche-911-gt3-rs

 

Just did some math based on the dimension on that review

Assuming scale 1:8

the length is almost exactly right (0.015 stud too long)

the width of the lego model is too much (by 1.6 studs)

the height of the lego model is too low ( by 1.6 studs)

the wheelbase is a bit too much (by 0.6 studs)

 

So assuming they were going for 1:8, 42056 nailed the length/wheelbase (the only thing they could have done is make the wheelbase 1 stud shorter, for a -0.375 deviation), but the width is off by 5 percent, and the height nearly 10 percent, in opposite directions, meaning the front/rear profile on 42056 looks waay too wide

42096 meanwhile is 10% off the length, 3% in both width and height (in opposing directions, but inverse to 42056, the front profile is too high, but far less drastic then 42056). The wheelbase is off by 1.5%

 

Honestly, the margin of error on the dimensions is roughly the same on the porsches, 42096 might be a tad long, but at least it gets the height a lot better, and the roof/cabin structure looks a bit more meaty/filled in. Looking at the pics im guessing the front can be shortened by 1 or 2 studs without running into rebuilding the entire front end from scratch, the rear might also be able to shrink by 1 stud, which would put the deviation down to <5%.

I look in detail at the video and I think I can make a list of pieces in new color.
1. LEGO PART 22961: Technic Pin Connector Hub with 1 Axle - Black

2. LEGO PART 15100: Technic Pin Connector Hub with 1 Pin with Friction Ridges Lengthwise - White

3. LEGO PART 24119: Technic Panel Curved 7 x 3 with 2 Pin Holes through Panel Surface - White (I know the color isn't right on the picture)

4. LEGO PART 18944: Technic Panel Curved 3 x 13 - White (I know the color isn't right on the picture)

For now it's the only new ones that I have found.
Hope it might be useful. 

@dimaks13 found the inner interior image and posted in the 2019 set thread, so I prefer to put it here.

I would till the steering wheel upward if it's not tillable already - I suppose that it could be an universal joint between the Steering wheel  and a tan gear.