Thirdwigg Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Bartybum said: We have good reason to assume it costs TLG money Why? Quote
aeh5040 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 The licensing thing is a bit of a mystery to me. It does appear that licensed sets sell at a slight premium compared to other sets, and also that they are less likely to be discounted. This does suggest LEGO is paying the partner a fee. If so, why? I would think that on the whole the partner gets the greater benefit from the arrangement - they get a lot of advertising for their product. What does LEGO get? Possibly greater sales because the model is more recognizable, and has an additional stamp of authenticity. But is this effect really significant? Hard to know. Does anyone have any reliable information about it (as opposed to speculation)? Quote
andythenorth Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Unlikely we'll ever find out the licensing details, it will be commercially confidential. But Lego has been ranked the most powerful brand in the world in at least 2015 and 2017. https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/apple-rated-worlds-valuable-brand-lego-powerful/1334086 Quote
Lyichir Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, aeh5040 said: The licensing thing is a bit of a mystery to me. It does appear that licensed sets sell at a slight premium compared to other sets, and also that they are less likely to be discounted. This does suggest LEGO is paying the partner a fee. If so, why? I would think that on the whole the partner gets the greater benefit from the arrangement - they get a lot of advertising for their product. What does LEGO get? Possibly greater sales because the model is more recognizable, and has an additional stamp of authenticity. But is this effect really significant? Hard to know. Does anyone have any reliable information about it (as opposed to speculation)? I think the effect of greater sales could potentially be pretty significant, especially for these bigger sets. A licensed model is going to get greater consumer attention and press outside of the traditional "Lego fan" audience. For instance, a set like the Porsche might attract fans of the brand even if they have had little or no experience with the Lego brand or the Technic sub-brand, expanding Lego's reach to new customers who might not even have become aware of a non-licensed supercar set. And beyond the potential for greater sales, for Technic fans I don't think you should discount the potential insight into the design that a licensing agreement of this nature can bring. Formalizing the partnership via a licensing agreement allows the licensee to grant Lego access to production and concept materials (up to and including a first-hand look at the assembly process for the real thing), to provide professional feedback on the authenticity of the model, and to grant the use of trademarked logos and insignias. Quote
agrof Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Could we just quit from this endless license fee debate, or at least continue in a separate topic? Very tiring to see the same rounds again and again, also quite disappointing for those, who are clicking on this topic in hope to see new details about the model itself. On topic - it is in german, but gives some new viewpoints, might be interesting: Quote
bettc Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 cheers agrof, its just looking so awesome! and big and functional Quote
efferman Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Thanks @agrof short translation. The new actuators are 4 modules longer, so now we have a stroke of 10 studs. No 90 Degrees connections in the track drivetrain and the driving speed is impressive. 2 Motors in the first boom. L and XL can now act as Servo. Liebherr has supported with construction drawings. Interrestingly, everyone gets drawings except of me. Maybe my conversation technique should be improved Quote
coinoperator Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, agrof said: it is in german, The same video is also in English. Very disappointing that you post the german version Quote
Jim Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, coinoperator said: The same video is also in English. Very disappointing that you post the german version Very disappointing? You make it sound like a big deal Quote
coinoperator Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Its not but the moaning of this guy about discussing the licence just made me (beep) Quote
agrof Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 If you checked the english version, it is different, here You get different camera footage, which can deliver more insight to the model, right? Sure this video is more off-topic due to foreign language than discussing license fee for Vestas set and in general. Regards: This guy Quote
896gerard Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) I find the fact that all motors have an encoder now very interesting. No more need for servo's !!! So no expensive steering servo, but just a regular motor, this makes them cheaper too. On the other hand, it might not stimulate designer creativity. With 'the old motors', it was always an issue to gear it down or to create a repeating mechanism when a linear movement was needed. Now you can simply program the movement and do the job with very little oldschool mechanics. That opens the road for big clumsy motor-infested MOCs without any space for mechanics (the motors are not getting any smaller). Secondly, I think TLG should think of a remote control with physical levers. A Lego Technic race car with high speed is uncontrollable from a touchscreen because there's no feedback from any knob. Looking on a screen where the slider is while also tracking a very fast object doesn't work. Edited June 20, 2019 by 896gerard typo Quote
Ngoc Nguyen Posted June 20, 2019 Author Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) A little blue bird informed me that 42100 has the backhoe configuration as the B model. Now go rejoice (or grieve for your wallets like I do because the B model makes me wanna buy 2 of this)! Edited June 20, 2019 by Ngoc Nguyen Quote
nerdsforprez Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 candies and little birds..... you are hooked up :) Quote
Superkoala Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said: A little blue bird informed me that 42100 has the backhoe configuration as the B model. Now go rejoice (or grieve for your wallets like I do because the B model makes me wanna buy 2 of this)! Not a real surprise but I'll it take anyway. The harder part will be to decide which one built first. Edited June 20, 2019 by Superkoala Quote
Maaboo the Witch Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, Timoonn said: The arm looks kinda slow to maneuver :/ There's probably a lot of gearing down, plus the weight would be a factor. Quote
HRU_Bricks Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) On 6/20/2019 at 2:07 PM, efferman said: Thanks @agrof short translation. The new actuators are 4 modules longer, so now we have a stroke of 10 studs. No 90 Degrees connections in the track drivetrain and the driving speed is impressive. 2 Motors in the first boom. L and XL can now act as Servo. Liebherr has supported with construction drawings. Interrestingly, everyone gets drawings except of me. Maybe my conversation technique should be improved I spotted the first 2 in the boom on the very first video. In the me video you can see what looks like a third cable moving up into the boom. So is the translation that there is 2 Edited June 20, 2019 by HRU_Bricks Quote
HRU_Bricks Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 8:41 PM, efferman said: Thought i heard wrong. Thnanks Who know until we get out hands on this beast! It's all fun this Lego CSI ? Quote
mpj Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Ngoc Nguyen said: A little blue bird informed me that 42100 has the backhoe configuration as the B model. Now go rejoice (or grieve for your wallets like I do because the B model makes me wanna buy 2 of this)! Yeah! This means that the app will be upgraded to control also a standard backhoe excavator, making excavator mocs possible. I'm curious to see how they designed the bucket in the backhoe configuration. By the way, in this configuration you lose the 7th function (openable bucket). Quote
agrof Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Most probably like the "standard" configuration, only the excavator arm will be rebuilt for the B-model: Still, might have some nice solutions inside! Quote
1gor Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Well about begining of October, more precisely at 4th it will be available to get hands-on it for us ordinary mortals to see ... Quote
1gor Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 3 hours ago, CSX9992 said: 10/4/19 for the US? And how much?? I'm not sure for U.S. but here over the big pond yes. Info is from one German site. Quote
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