Who's Your Daddy

[Palin Jax]

Trivia: Though not confirmed, it has been theorized that Anakin's father might have been Darth Plagueis, Palpatine's former master. Plagueis discovered the secret of using the Force to create life. Palpatine intensely desired such knowledge, and he murdered his master when he thought he had learned everything. However, it's possible that Plagueis' dying act was to reach out into the Force and create a child that would one day grow to destroy Palpatine.

I found this at http://stars.ign.com/articles/867/867311p5.html. Now I am not stating this because it is a new theory, and I know that this topic has been discussed before. The reason I bring this up is for the last sentence... which I have neither ever considered nor thought relevant. But after reading this, and on a gaming website, a thought did occur to me.

Did anyone catch the Spike TV Game preview... I would just like to state, for the record... and I am only guessing, Anakin has either a brother, or ... another son... They where dropping hints about who the two Jedi parents of the Secret Apprentice where, and the "S" letter got thrown out. I think the Force Unleashed is going to rewrite Star Wars Canon. Big time!

The relevance now may be staggering, especially as we approach the nexus of the CW and TFU release in a few months, and compounded by the Live Action coming out at an undisclosed time in the next few years. If the gaming world is beginning to yammer about Anakin's parentage, does it mean that another revaluation is about to be unleashed as well. Anakin's father may or may not be established in your individual minds, but, if Darth Plagueis is his real father, and it was for just so kind of an act, yet Anakin should be the chosen one, and then this act would also be the fulfillment of prophesy, where does it leave us? Discuss...

[JimBee]

i think this should be in the culture and multimedia section

anyways, this is a compelling statement. ive always wondered, "wtf, how can anakin be born with no dad??" it makes almost perfect sense. lord pleagus wanted revenge on the traitor, and created life on his last breath. he knew what would happen, so no wonder they call him wise! another thing to point out is how palpatine said "its ironic how he could save the lives of others...but not his own".

[simonjedi]

I've always though palpatine created anakin.

My theory might not be accurate or anything but this is what i think:

We all know Vader gets put into his black suit and loses his strength and force powers right because was being burned? well palpatine created a "back up" anakin-esc individual just incase anakin died or stayed on the light side of the force and he ends up losing him.

[Vaders_son]

Here we go again

1. Vader did not loose any force-powers but he could not perform force acts like force-lightning due to his prison-suit. As Palin and I discussed in another thread he was limited by the fragile electronic health-care system of his suit and the loss of legs and arms somehow.

2. I'm very convinced that Palpatine wasn't able to create life in any form. If he had been he would have made himself a better apprentice than crippled Anakin for sure.

3. The Canon is, that Anakin is the creation of Darth Plagueis the Wise. But there is no parentship of Palpatines former master in my opinion. I feel it's rather some abstract form of cloning or something but Plagueis in person has no biologic connection to Anakin. How could he if he created Anakin while he died?

Best Regards, Benny

EDIT: I forgot; To answer the question asked in the topic: My dad is Elmar Buschlinger, the son of Pirmin and Elisabeth Buschlinger and they are all good, non-force-sensitive people

Edited April 18, 2008 by Vaders_son

[Palin Jax]

Here we go again

2. I'm very convinced that Palpatine wasn't able to create life in any form. If he had been he would have made himself a better apprentice than crippled Anakin for sure.

What , how dare you insinuate that Emperor Papaltine is a eunich... you shall pay....

But you argument is also slightly off kilter... How would Papaltine know to have made a better apprentice when Anakin was the best Aprentice... even scared and broken, he managed to route the vast majority of remaining known Jedi... Ya, I know that the books need a token hidden Jedi for a vehicle of wisdom, but canonically so far there where only two!

But hence the reason to discuss the topic...

i think this should be in the culture and multimedia section

We shall see... Jim Bean... we shall see.

Edited April 18, 2008 by Palin Jax

[Vaders_son]

Well when he killed all the Jedi in the Temple he still had his one arm and both legs. Add the support of the 501st and Ani was a lot more powerful than after his final duel with Obi-Wan I think.

Or do I misunderstand you and you are talking about some other Jedi? Then sorry maybe you could tell me who you're talking of - There weren't too many I believe...At least most of them were done by his secret apprentice as it seems

Best regards, Benny

[simonjedi]

1. Vader did not loose any force-powers but he could not perform force acts like force-lightning due to his prison-suit. As Palin and I discussed in another thread he was limited by the fragile electronic health-care system of his suit and the loss of legs and arms somehow.

Ah, thats what i meant, thanks for putting it in a proper way.

If he had been he would have made himself a better apprentice than crippled Anakin for sure.

Thats my idea he (or plaguesis, at the same time Anakin was created because they look to be around the same age) created the apprentice as a back up just in case something happened to Anakin. The apprentice ended up on kashyyyk and stole a saber from a dead jedi.

or the apprentice is a clone of palpatine or something to explain the force powers, or for a crap theory Anakin's biological brother and the parents are Sidious and Shimi Skywalker.

[Palin Jax]

Well when he killed all the Jedi in the Temple he still had his one arm and both legs. Add the support of the 501st and Ani was a lot more powerful than after his final duel with Obi-Wan I think.

Or do I misunderstand you and you are talking about some other Jedi? Then sorry maybe you could tell me who you're talking of - There weren't too many I believe...At least most of them were done by his secret apprentice as it seems

Best regards, Benny

Nope, same Jedi wez are talkin bout... But I disagree about the stronger part, or the most jedi killed part. Order 66 brought down the token population of the Jedi... but Vader had 18 years to hunt down the rest, of which we may see only small sampling in the live action series, though that remains doubtful. And if you throw TFU into the mix... Vader uses force lightning apparently from the game talk I've seen. But force lighting aside, which is a powerful gift... Who's more menacing... than the original man in black...

[Sir Dano]

than the original man in black...

What does Johnny Cash have to do with this?

Back to the topic: I believe the truth will be revealed soon...

Edited April 18, 2008 by sir dano

[Vaders_son]

What does Johnny Cash have to do with this?

Well that's right he hunted down some Jedi after he became the Dark Lord, but how many were there? I believe you could count them down on your very two hands. And as seen in the Jedi Temple Anakin could've easily taken on more than one Jedi before he was forced to wear his suit (Well, he pretty sure could take some of those new style Jedi from NJO that aren't half as good with the lightsaber as the original Jedi btw ). The few Jedi he hunted down after Ep III were lone rouge Jedi and not a squad of well trained Jedi I think...

How I to discuss Star Wars matters

Best Regards, Benny

[Vader]

VS it nows seems like alot more jedi escaped order 66, alot of jedi have been shown in the EU and Lucas seems fine with that. So would of had plenty to hunt down.

Hmmm Jax that's a good theory you have their, but i doubt even Lucas would be stupid enough to have the apprentice as 's son. Plus as the events of the game are set around 10yrs after ROTS i believe it would make anakin only a boy when the apprentice was born.

So far weve had a few good theories on who the apprentice could be, one good one was that he was Qui-gon jinn's son.

However the following seems to be more likely.

His mother died defending Kashyyk and his father (called Kento from what i have read) is killed by Vader again on Kashyyk, after which Vader finds the boy and trains him.

finds the boy on Kashyyk and decides to train him as his apprentice, due to his strong link to the force.

This is supported by the fact that we know the first level of the game has on Kashyyk, also thebelow pic has come from level 1 of the game. Which looks like it shows a jedi about to be killed by , as such i think it's a good bet that we get to find the boy on level 1 then the story will develop from there.

[Scouty]

Trivia: Though not confirmed, it has been theorized that Anakin's father might have been Darth Plagueis, Palpatine's former master. Plagueis discovered the secret of using the Force to create life. Palpatine intensely desired such knowledge, and he murdered his master when he thought he had learned everything. However, it's possible that Plagueis' dying act was to reach out into the Force and create a child that would one day grow to destroy Palpatine.

I really like this theory.

[simonjedi]

This is supported by the fact that we know the first level of the game has on Kashyyk, also thebelow pic has come from level 1 of the game. Which looks like it shows a jedi about to be killed by , [/img]

He's actually the Apprentice, and we will find him on level 1 because you play as him for the rest of the game.

[Vaders_son]

VS it nows seems like alot more jedi escaped order 66, alot of jedi have been shown in the EU and Lucas seems fine with that. So would of had plenty to hunt down.

Hey Vader,

don't know if I missed some Jedi here after Ep III - but I've read the last of the Jedi book series and there are some but not too many...you have a link or something where I can refresh my idea of the past Ep III time?

Benny

[Palin Jax]

Ah yes... Begun this debate has... As my good friend would opine.

Vader_son, It wouldn't be wise to trend upon the trim of cloak surrounding your daddy's nicker, not that he couldn't handle it himself... But if we go by your own theory... Using the stated books hypothis... Well, then there are countless new Jedi, created at will it would seem, to fill the never ending annals of the "dark times" literature. For that matter, and I could state a few others... Why would Obi wan then refer to them as the dark times in the first place... Sure, you got oppression; sure, a whole lot of injustice going round for the non-human denizens of the Empire, but aside from the force, I do not think they got satellite out in them hills. We must then not set a defined number, on anyones fingers, or toes for that matter, on would be targets for Vader's hunt.

simonjedi: You are correct that you will find him whilst playing Vader on level one... But his story is still way open...

Vader: I heard not the name of the Apprentices fathers name, but even with that... and that could also just be a surrogate father... When I was watching the game preview on Spike, they specifically dropped the "S" last name, then pretended to be all hush hush... And Lucas is never stupid ... I will flog myself now for insulting the real villain, I mean master, of this plot... But I think Lucas will leave that Skywalker tie in, and it will lead to the Live Action... Lucas, even though he leaves loose ends like breadcrumbs, like to tie them up just as much to get himself home.

[Sir Dano]

I'm just gonna throw out a bunch of crackpot theories:

The aprentice is Obi-Wan's son.

The aprentice is Yoda's son.

The aprentice is the son of no one we've heard of.( this is my choice)

The aprentice is Palpatine's son.

The aprentice is Padme's brother.

I could keep going if anyone wants.

Edited April 19, 2008 by sir dano

[Vader]

Hey Vader,

don't know if I missed some Jedi here after Ep III - but I've read the last of the Jedi book series and there are some but not too many...you have a link or something where I can refresh my idea of the past Ep III time?

Benny

Even though i don't like the site, wiki has a very good list of those that died and survived order 66. Quite a few of these have shown up in the Dark Horse comic series, which gets permission from Lucas on what jedi they can use.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Order_66

Ah yes... Begun this debate has... As my good friend would opine.

simonjedi: You are correct that you will find him whilst playing Vader on level one... But his story is still way open...

Vader: I heard not the name of the Apprentices fathers name, but even with that... and that could also just be a surrogate father... When I was watching the game preview on Spike, they specifically dropped the "S" last name, then pretended to be all hush hush... And Lucas is never stupid ... I will flog myself now for insulting the real villain, I mean master, of this plot... But I think Lucas will leave that Skywalker tie in, and it will lead to the Live Action... Lucas, even though he leaves loose ends like breadcrumbs, like to tie them up just as much to get himself home.

You are correct Jax it could be yet another lie to protect some great secret, i still don't think he will be related to but i believe he could be some known jedi's son.

I love the rumor of him being Qui-Gon's son, now that would be great. Interesting fact to know is that the jedi Kota who's in the game, was not supposed to be in the first drafts it was supposed to be the ghost of Qui-Gon.

[Vaders_son]

Well thanks for the hint Vader, didn't know that there might have survived almost 200 Jedi. Question that came to my mind instantly - Why didn't they just go to Coruscant an kick Palpatines megablocks as long as they had the chance to do so? Mhm...

Palin you seem to be right on this on. I know nobody with close to 200 fingers to count the surviving Jedi up on Seems like I missed quite a bit of Information Maybe that's because one can't afford comics in good old Germany they just cost a fortune

I'm just gonna throw out a bunch of crackpot theories:

The aprentice is Obi-Wan's son.

The aprentice is Yoda's son.

The aprentice is the son of no one we've heard of.( this is my choice)

The aprentice is Palpatine's son.

The aprentice is Padme's brother.

I could keep going if anyone wants.

You need posts? Sorry no offense but your suggestions are crap and I don't think anyone wants you to go on...

Best regards, Benny

[Palin Jax]

I love the rumor of him being Qui-Gon's son, now that would be great. Interesting fact to know is that the jedi Kota who's in the game, was not supposed to be in the first drafts it was supposed to be the ghost of Qui-Gon.

That is exciting... Because if thats true, the story line then HAD to be changed... Why would you rewrite something like that... Every fan of Star Wars would have gone ape pooh if the Apprentice was Qui-gon's son! That would have been awsume... But then throws out the likelihood of the Qui-Gon theory as well by proxy. But I do think General Kota has definite coolness possibilities all the same!

Another possibility then... Darth Trump (Donald Trump) (For the dumb theories )

[Sir Dano]

You need posts? Sorry no offense but your suggestions are crap and I don't think anyone wants you to go on...

Best regards, Benny

Sorry, just a pitiful attempt at humour...

Edited April 19, 2008 by sir dano

[Vaders_son]

No prob, the post just didn't add anything useful to the discussion you know

Benny

[Vader]

After re-reading what we know so far i still cannot see why the SA name is being kept a secret, the only reason i can think of is that it does involve some sort of shock.

One thing that has been overlooked is the question of who his mother is? We know that a few female jedi's were on Kashyyk during the CW so i wonder if any of these have a link to him.

[commandosevy]

This topic is really interesting....and I think it's either the Qui-Gon theory or the other theory.

It (the topic title should be who's your Momma and Daddy? )

Edited April 20, 2008 by commandosevy

[Palin Jax]

After re-reading what we know so far i still cannot see why the SA name is being kept a secret, the only reason i can think of is that it does involve some sort of shock.

One thing that has been overlooked is the question of who his mother is? We know that a few female jedi's were on Kashyyk during the CW so i wonder if any of these have a link to him.

Well, we do know one thing by way of proxy on that, She would have to be Human... But that still remains to establish what time frame TFU occurs, as we do not know at what point TFU begins, other than that it is set during the dark times. It could be very well toward the end of that time period, seeing as how the Storm Troopers armor is evolved to near ABY specs... There are AT-ST and TIE/in featured in the trailers, and for bloody sakes, he bring down an entire ISD... so you can bet its not right after the purge begins!

[Vaders_son]

Well, we do know one thing by way of proxy on that, She would have to be Human... But that still remains to establish what time frame TFU occurs, as we do not know at what point TFU begins, other than that it is set during the dark times. It could be very well toward the end of that time period, seeing as how the Storm Troopers armor is evolved to near ABY specs... There are AT-ST and TIE/in featured in the trailers, and for bloody sakes, he bring down an entire ISD... so you can bet its not right after the purge begins!

I think Palin is right regarding the mother of the apprentice question and the time setting of TFU.

I do like the Qui Gon theory very much but I don't think it's likely...but who knows

Benny