Hi I'm L, still mainly play with PF1 motor even PF2 has been released for now

With the PF2(new electrical system that broke the old lego paradigm) PF1 motor are no longer likely to come out anymore Imao
So I'd like to make compatible motor for the PF1 electric building system myself
consider the proper shapes, specifications, and placement of the wires

and while im making it, i wanna make it really good and nice to use, over lego motor
to acieve it, I want to hear the user's reaction or wish. I look forward to hearing from your idea

Question here
1. Which is more important
(1) Torque(strength)
(2) Speed

2. Size(Size and torques are in semi-parallel relationship)
(1) 2x2(Micro motor size)
(2) 2x4(S size)
(3) PF Series's was fine, just need more torque 

3. Shape
(1) Round (Like XL Motor)
(2) Square(Like Old Lego Motor)
(3) Oval(Like M Motor, Flat Bottom Type)

4. Building type
(1) Pin & Hole
(2) Stud & Tube
(3) Axle & Axle Hole

5. the unit of length
(1) odd number(etc. 3x5x5)
(2) even number(etc. 2x4x4)

6. Power Supply Method
(1)PF1
(2)PF2

and last, I'm going to post it on the crowdfunding site if it's a good response after I've made the motor brick prototype.

So what if there was a third-party motor with better performance?
1) If the performance is good, it can be purchased.
2) Because it is not Lego, it is not purchased.

thanks for your asnwer and have a nice day~
and any critical, basic ideas are always welcome

from L

57 minutes ago, jhlee said:

Hi I'm L, still mainly play with PF1 motor even PF2 has been released for now

With the PF2(new electrical system that broke the old lego paradigm) PF1 motor are no longer likely to come out anymore Imao
So I'd like to make compatible motor for the PF1 electric building system myself
consider the proper shapes, specifications, and placement of the wires

and while im making it, i wanna make it really good and nice to use, over lego motor
to acieve it, I want to hear the user's reaction or wish. I look forward to hearing from your idea

Question here
1. Which is more important
(1) Strength
(2) Speed

2. Size(Size and torques are in semi-parallel relationship)
(1) 2x2(Micro motor size)
(2) 2x4(S size)
(3) PF Series's was fine, just need more torque 

3. Shape
(1) Round (Like XL Motor)
(2) Square(Like Old Lego Motor)
(3) Oval(Like M Motor, Flat Bottom Type)

4. Building type
(1) Pin & Hole
(2) Stud & Tube
(3) Axle & Axle Hole

5. the unit of length
(1) odd number(etc. 3x5x5)
(2) even number(etc. 2x4x4)

6. Power Supply Method
(1)PF1
(2)PF2

and last, I'm going to post it on the crowdfunding site if it's a good response after I've made the motor brick prototype.

So what if there was a third-party motor with better performance?
1) If the performance is good, can buy it
2) Because it is not Lego, never buy it

thanks for your asnwer and have a nice day~
and any critical, basic ideas are always welcome

from L

 

Edited March 6, 20195 yr by jhlee

Um, you quoted yourself in the original topic, but anyways

1: (1)

2: (3)

3: (2)

4: (1)

5: (1)

6: (1)

1)

Hope it's helpful

Here's my choices:

1. Other - Size.
2. 3
3. 1
4. 1
5. 1
6. 1
7. Other - It would depend on whether I needed it.

Really, what I most like to see is something nearly identical to this:

48 minutes ago, letsbuild said:

Um, you quoted yourself in the original topic, but anyways

1: (1)

2: (3)

3: (2)

4: (1)

5: (1)

6: (1)

1)

Hope it's helpful

thanks for your answer, with writing this, just worried if there wouldn't no answer, really helpful it was

51 minutes ago, letsbuild said:

Um, you quoted yourself in the original topic, but anyways

1: (1)

2: (3)

3: (2)

4: (1)

5: (1)

6: (1)

1)

Hope it's helpful

 

Just now, jhlee said:

thanks for your answer, with writing this, just worried if there wouldn't no answer, really helpful it was

 

17 minutes ago, mocbuild101 said:

Here's my choices:

1. Other - Size.
2. 3
3. 1
4. 1
5. 1
6. 1
7. Other - It would depend on whether I needed it.

Really, what I most like to see is something nearly identical to this:

 

thanks for your answer, look nice!

13 hours ago, mocbuild101 said:

Really, what I most like to see is something nearly identical to this:

I saw this before, and I would really like to have something like that, even if it's as powerful as a micromotor.

14 hours ago, mocbuild101 said:

I think this would be a dream come true for A LOT of builders

16 hours ago, jhlee said:

Question here
1. Which is more important
(1) Torque(strength)
(2) Speed <-- A large or xl motor that has lots of speed. For RC car/ripsaw things. 
 

2. Size(Size and torques are in semi-parallel relationship)
(1) 2x2(Micro motor size)
(2) 2x4(S size)
(3) PF Series's was fine, just need more torque <-- I like PF. 

3. Shape
(1) Round (Like XL Motor) <-- L and XL motors best shape because of technic stud holes. 
(2) Square(Like Old Lego Motor)
(3) Oval(Like M Motor, Flat Bottom Type)

4. Building type
(1) Pin & Hole
(2) Stud & Tube
(3) Axle & Axle Hole

5. the unit of length
(1) odd number(etc. 3x5x5)
(2) even number(etc. 2x4x4)

6. Power Supply Method
(1)PF1
(2)PF2

So what if there was a third-party motor with better performance?
1) If the performance is good, it can be purchased.
2) Because it is not Lego, it is not purchased.

 

1. 1
2. 3
3. 2
4. 3
5. 1
6. 2
7. 1

i would love to see something with crazy amounts of power like a lego buggy motor

On 3/6/2019 at 5:07 AM, jhlee said:

Hi I'm L, still mainly play with PF1 motor even PF2 has been released for now

With the PF2(new electrical system that broke the old lego paradigm) PF1 motor are no longer likely to come out anymore Imao
So I'd like to make compatible motor for the PF1 electric building system myself
consider the proper shapes, specifications, and placement of the wires

and while im making it, i wanna make it really good and nice to use, over lego motor
to acieve it, I want to hear the user's reaction or wish. I look forward to hearing from your idea

Question here
1. Which is more important
(1) Torque(strength)  it has to have a good balance.
(2) Speed

2. Size(Size and torques are in semi-parallel relationship) 
(1) 2x2(Micro motor size)
(2) 2x4(S size)
(3) PF Series's was fine, just need more torque 

3. Shape
(1) Round (Like XL Motor)
(2) Square(Like Old Lego Motor)
(3) Oval(Like M Motor, Flat Bottom Type)

4. Building type
(1) Pin & Hole
(2) Stud & Tube i would love to see both of those things just like pf m motor
(3) Axle & Axle Hole

5. the unit of length
(1) odd number(etc. 3x5x5)
(2) even number(etc. 2x4x4)

6. Power Supply Method
(1)PF1 (depends on whats gonna come out for pf 2)
(2)PF2

and last, I'm going to post it on the crowdfunding site if it's a good response after I've made the motor brick prototype.

So what if there was a third-party motor with better performance?
1) If the performance is good, it can be purchased. im currently using third party motors for my smaller builds.
2) Because it is not Lego, it is not purchased.

thanks for your asnwer and have a nice day~
and any critical, basic ideas are always welcome

from L

 

XG BC

I think to answer your questions I would say the perfect all rounder would be to take an L motor and remove the internal gearing. This would also likely mean you have an output axle instead of an axle hole. I want lots of mechanical output power but I want it in the form of high RPMS rather than torque. 42055 is a good example of the XL motor having too much torque to be useful in most cases. An M motor can make two white clutch gears slip when geared the same as the XL motor in 42055 so why use an XL motor? It forces the designer of 42055 to have these long axles be driven very slowly with lots of torque, which causes axles to twist which contributes a lot to it's jerky stop-start motion. Better to have the same mechanical output power delivered as high RPMS rather than torque so we can have more flexibility in designing our drive trains. A long thin shaft spinning much much faster but with less torque won't twist as much but will be able to deliver the same amount of mechanical power. You just put the majority of the gearing down at the point where it is needed, in the case of 42055 this would be after any long axles, not before, which having all this gearing inside the current PF motors forces you to do. Really the best thing would be to take a current PF L motor a split it in two, so you have a completely ungeared motor with output axle, and a separate planetary gear reduction unit with input and output axle holes, that can be placed anywhere in the drive train as many or as few times as the designer wants. This would be the ultimate in terms of flexibility.

1 - 1

2 - 3

3 - 1

4 - 1

5 - 1

6 - 1

7 - 1

1. Which is more important
(1) Torque(strength)
(2) Speed -> Gotta Go Fast!

2. Size(Size and torques are in semi-parallel relationship)
(1) 2x2(Micro motor size)
(2) 2x4(S size) -> the aforementioned picture would be amazing
(3) PF Series's was fine, just need more torque 

3. Shape
(1) Round (Like XL Motor)
(2) Square(Like Old Lego Motor)
(3) Oval(Like M Motor, Flat Bottom Type) -> idem answer 2

4. Building type
(1) Pin & Hole
(2) Stud & Tube
(3) Axle & Axle Hole

5. the unit of length
(1) odd number(etc. 3x5x5) -> more fitting of technic line
(2) even number(etc. 2x4x4)

6. Power Supply Method
(1)PF1 -> one of the most conveiet and ubiquitous 
(2)PF2

So what if there was a third-party motor with better performance?
1) If the performance is good, it can be purchased. 
2) Because it is not Lego, it is not purchased.

 

As of right now [IMO] , there's a gaping hole in between motors, with the max torque dominated by XL, M on the mediocre range, L being the island in between, and old-gen buggy ones ripping it on speed line. So maybe something faster than a m-motor but not losing too much on torque and (maybe) being a stud or two smaller. Imo the important thing is the compatability with PF as not only connectors, but receivers as well, as those have issues with overpowered stuff.

best of luck on this quest

On 3/7/2019 at 4:03 AM, suffocation said:

I think this would be a dream come true for A LOT of builders

lol i saw that picture already and hmmm. yeah thats ideal type of S Motor

thanks for your idea

On 3/7/2019 at 3:11 AM, letsbuild said:

I saw this before, and I would really like to have something like that, even if it's as powerful as a micromotor.

thanks your for get your idea :)

On 3/7/2019 at 6:04 AM, Mechbuilds said:

 

thanks for making a time to vote :)

On 3/7/2019 at 5:09 PM, Samer said:

1. 1
2. 3
3. 2
4. 3
5. 1
6. 2
7. 1

thanks for taking your time and have a nice day!

I like this topic

Answers
Performance?
1 - torque

Size?
3

Shape?
1, for some odd reason I like the design of nxt/ev3/buggy motor

Building type?
1

Unit?
1

PSU method?
1

Last?
1

Edited March 8, 20195 yr by Essge

On 3/9/2019 at 2:46 AM, Essge said:

I like this topic

Answers
Performance?
1 - torque

Size?
3

Shape?
1, for some odd reason I like the design of nxt/ev3/buggy motor

Building type?
1

Unit?
1

PSU method?
1

Last?
1

yeyi~ thanks for your idea  and i like too. and hope make it in fancy.