Lord Of Pies Posted April 2, 2009 Posted April 2, 2009 Nooo! Hamilton has been exluded form the Australian Grand Prix. Trulli is now third. Quote
5150 Lego Posted April 2, 2009 Author Posted April 2, 2009 Nooo!Hamilton has been exluded form the Australian Grand Prix. Trulli is now third. This really pisses me the megabluck off! I am so sick of these damn stewards desciding the outcome of the race days after. Ok, so Hamiltion slowed to let Truli pass. How the megabluck does that make him "misleading"? This sport is seriously going down hill, and if these piece of shit Stewards keep this crap up, there going to loose one of the biggest teams from competing. Like Mclaren or not, them and Ferrari bring in the bucks. Loose them and F1 is history. I'm so disgusted right now.... Quote
Lord Of Pies Posted April 3, 2009 Posted April 3, 2009 Same.....Still the stewards can't deny that Hamilton had a fantastic drive to go from 18th to 3rd. Quote
KimT Posted April 3, 2009 Posted April 3, 2009 This really pisses me the megabluck off! I am so sick of these damn stewards desciding the outcome of the race days after. Ok, so Hamiltion slowed to let Truli pass. How the megabluck does that make him "misleading"? This sport is seriously going down hill, and if these piece of shit Stewards keep this crap up, there going to loose one of the biggest teams from competing. Like Mclaren or not, them and Ferrari bring in the bucks. Loose them and F1 is history. I'm so disgusted right now.... Ahem! The FIA have revealed details of the new evidence that prompted stewards to strip McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton of this third place in the Australian Grand Prix and hand the place back to Toyota’s Jarno Trulli, who had originally been penalized for passing Hamilton under the safety car.According to the FIA, in the original enquiry into the incident, both Hamilton and McLaren stated that they had not deliberately let Trulli pass. However, in interview footage recorded immediately after the race - and not originally seen by stewards - Hamilton says he was instructed to move over for the Italian. Furthermore, the FIA say that McLaren radio recordings contain ‘two explicit orders’ given to Hamilton to let the Toyota pass. Based on this new evidence the stewards ‘felt strongly that they had been misled’ by the driver and team, resulting in their decision to disqualify the world champion. Don't get angry at the stewards, get angry at McLaren and the result of that was: McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan has been suspended by the team following Lewis Hamilton’s disqualification from the Australian Grand Prix.Ryan was McLaren’s representative in the original post-race stewards’ enquiry in Melbourne, where according to the FIA both he and Hamilton denied deliberately moving aside for Toyota’s Jarno Trulli during the final safety-car period - evidence that was subsequently contradicted by recordings from McLaren's team radio. “In my 20-odd years working for McLaren, I doubt if I’ve met a more dedicated individual than Davey,” said McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh. “He's been an integral part of McLaren since 1974 and has played a crucial role in the team’s many world championship successes since that time. “However, his role in the events of last Sunday, particularly his dealings with the FIA stewards, has caused serious repercussions for the team, for which we apologise. Therefore, I suspended him this morning and he has accepted this.” Which means that there's something about it, wouldn't you say? A shame really, hopefully this wont put Hamilton in a bad light, since the drivers have to do what they're told on the team radio. Good one for Trulli though, and especially for me - being an Alonso and Renault fan Quote
Lord Of Pies Posted April 3, 2009 Posted April 3, 2009 Drat, Drat and double Drat!! Force India are still 9th. For a split second I had hoped the Hammi-penalty would push FI up to 8th!......Then I remembered Trulli would get 3rd! D'oh. Quote
5150 Lego Posted April 4, 2009 Author Posted April 4, 2009 Ahem!Don't get angry at the stewards, get angry at McLaren and the result of that was: Which means that there's something about it, wouldn't you say? A shame really, hopefully this wont put Hamilton in a bad light, since the drivers have to do what they're told on the team radio. Good one for Trulli though, and especially for me - being an Alonso and Renault fan Your right. What really pisses me off, is that both McLaren and Hamiltion should know by now that the FIA is gunning for them. Ever since the crap with Mclaren with Ferrari plans they've been a target. Now that this happened you can expect the FIA and stewarts to nit pick everything Mclaren does;.. Even more than last year. I don't put any Blame on Hamiltion cause as you put it KimT, he was just following orders. I put blame on the new owner. If this is a sign of how he leads the team, McLaren is doomed. Regardless of how well Hamiltion and Kovalinin (mis spelled i know) drive. And yes Lord of Pies, Lewis did run hell of a race! Quote
Lasse D Posted April 4, 2009 Posted April 4, 2009 I finally saw the race. What an ending by the drivers I cheer for! 14 points in the first race! Finally. After so many years, it's finally beginning to look brighter than 2005. A shame I'm in LEGOLAND today when the qualifying is on. Quote
KimT Posted April 4, 2009 Posted April 4, 2009 Oh my... None of the McLaren racers made it to Q3 Alonso is 10th and was very slow in Q3, my guess is he's loaded with fuel going for a loooong first stint. Button in front with Trulli and Vettel. The Shadow (Barichello) has a 5 grid penalty for gear box replacement, so he'll be 9th - ahead of Alonso and behind Raikonnen. Did I mention that Massa is P16? Whew - good thing that at least one of Renault's drivers is doing fairly well compared to the other big teams. Speculations are that if Nelsinho doesn't improve shortly, then he's to be replaced by the 3rd Renault driver and working test driver...and I haven't got a clue as to who he is or what his name is Tomorrow the race is on and I am sure it's another blast like Melbourne. Let's see if McLaren can do for once without cheating or using other teams' blueprints Go Go Go Renault!! From Formula1.com Brawn GP's Jenson Button and Toyota's Jarno Trulli fought a tense battle for supremacy in Sepang qualifying on Saturday afternoon, with pole position finally falling to the Briton in 1m 35.181s. It was the second consecutive pole for Button, and the fifth of his career.Trulli's final effort yielded 1m 35.273s, good enough to take second place from Sebastian Vettel's Red Bull, which the German had lapped in 1m 35.518s. Rubens Barrichello was fourth for Brawn on 1m 35.651s, ahead of Timo Glock in the second Toyota on 1m 35.690s, Nico Rosberg in the Williams on 1m 35.750s, Mark Webber in the second Red Bull on 1m 35.797s and Robert Kubica in the lead BMW Sauber on 1m 36.106s. It was not a great day for Ferrari, with Kimi Raikkonen their best runner in ninth on 1m 36.170s, ahead of Fernando Alonso who only did one run for 1m 37.659s in the Renault. McLaren have taken a step forward since Australia, but the MP4-24s still weren't fast enough. A late improvement put Fernando Alonso into Q3, at the expense of Nick Heidfeld on 1m 34.769s for BMW Sauber, then came Kazuki Nakajima on 1m 34.788s, and Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen in the McLarens on 1m 34.905s and 1m 34.924s respectively. Sebastien Bourdais was 15th on 1m 35.431s. As the final times were posted in Q1, the shock sank in that Felipe Massa had missed the cut for Ferrari, finishing a glum 16th on 1m 35.642s as he was unable to generate good tyre temperature. He was ahead of fellow Brazilian Nelson Piquet (1m 35.708s) in the Renault, the Force Indias of Adrian Sutil and Giancarlo Fisichella (1m 35.951s and 1m 35.908s), and Sebastien Buemi's Toro Rosso. The Swiss rookie went off road at the end of Q1 while trying to better 1m 36.107s. Factor in Vettel's 10-grid place drop from Australia, and Barrichello's five-place drop after his gearbox change on Friday, and the starting order reads: Button, Trulli; Glock, Rosberg; Webber, Kubica; Raikkonen, Barrichello; Alonso, Heidfeld; Nakajima, Hamilton; Vettel, Kovalainen; Bourdais, Massa; Piquet, Fisichella; Sutil, Buemi. Quote
MetroiD Posted April 4, 2009 Posted April 4, 2009 It really looks like we'll be in for quite a show tomorrow! I've always enjoyed Sepang and now that I know that I will witness such duels as Vettel vs Hamilton at the back or Jarno vs Jensen at the (!!!) head of the starting grid, I just can't wait for it! Go Jenson, make it 3 F1 wins! And I DO hope Lewis manages to fight back once again... Quote
MetroiD Posted April 5, 2009 Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) Great race for Jenson Button! Same applies to Lewis Hamilton who drove wonderfully despite the apparent problems of this season's McLaren car. That's really the only way to make all his critics shut up. On a sidenote: Felipe, baby, stay calm! Yet another race where it becomes apparent that Massa does not live up to the high expectations. Put Vettel or Glock in that Ferrari seat, either of them would be a revelation, but Massa is just a waste of a good car - much like Heiki... Edited April 5, 2009 by Asya & Bobby Otters Quote
Jipay Posted April 5, 2009 Posted April 5, 2009 Erm, I don't see how ending up 7th can make all his critics shut up Quote
MetroiD Posted April 5, 2009 Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) His starting position was 12. and under the given circumstances (rev limiter defecting etc.) I thought he did a great job. In Melbourne he started 18. and finished fourth before being stripped of it. Bearing in mind how AWFUL McLaren's car is looking this year and how apparent their problems with the chassis are, his driving is simply wonderful and a proper response to all the dirt that's constantly being thrown at him. Edited April 5, 2009 by Asya & Bobby Otters Quote
KimT Posted April 5, 2009 Posted April 5, 2009 On a sidenote: Felipe, baby, stay calm! Yet another race where it becomes apparent that Massa does not live up to the high expectations. Put Vettel or Glock in that Ferrari seat, either of them would be a revelation, but Massa is just a waste of a good car - much like Heiki... ??? Did you miss out on the past 2 seasons? Massa is one of the best drivers around. I blame the strategy made by the team and not the drivers for the obvious disaster today. A shame that Alonso got caught in the rain, he drove one helluva race, going from 9 to 3 in the first corner is very impressive and he was running 5th when the rain slammed and pushed him down to 11th Why oh why do they have to race in Sepang? It always rains there... Whatcha mean dirt? Dirt as in 'lying' to the stewards? McLaren have focused on the 2008 car and not the 2009 car last season and now they pay for it. Hamilton and Hekki are doing their best, but the car's performance is poor as is Ferrari's. Quote
MetroiD Posted April 5, 2009 Posted April 5, 2009 ???Did you miss out on the past 2 seasons? Massa is one of the best drivers around. I blame the strategy made by the team and not the drivers for the obvious disaster today. I did not, but I would not say that Massa was the best driver during those two seasons. Ferrari's car was one of the best ones - that one is for sure. But I do not see Massa as having what it takes to be a deserving world champion. The team's strategy was appalling and really ruined Kimmi's race and Massa's qualification, but it is in such times when really good drivers show what they're capable of. Alonso did have a very good race, especially bearing in mind the amount of fuel his Renault was filled up with. But I fail to see the problem with rain - it makes for a much more thrilling race than the usual ?? laps, 2/3 pit stops, c'est tout. And by "dirt" I mean all the negativity that Hamilton has been surrounded by - it's all aimed at McLaren after the blueprint scandal and I must admit it is pretty much deserved. However, I can't see why this young talented driver should always be the one shouldering all the blame. British newspapers see this as a wonderful opportunity to stab him in the back, but that "lying to stewards" thing was absolutely blown out of proportion. First of all, FIA themselves are not 100% clear on what the rules are in such a case - Trulli left the track and was passed by Hamilton, should he then have taken his place back or not?! Obviously, McLaren's Dave Ryan was also pretty much in dark and we can only speculate whether it was indeed his aim to get Jarno Trulli punished by telling Hamilton to let Trulli pass him, or he was rather trying to avoid getting Lewis penalised for overtaking Trulli. In any case, it was a direct order from the team and if you're given such orders, you comply with them and do as told. Reporting false statements to the stewards was bad and naturally frowned upon - but turning his back on the team and saying "Meh, I wanted to do the right thing, but they made me do something else and then lie to you." would have been even worse. Lewis got stuck in a bad situation and he chose the lesser of two evils, regardless of what people might say. In short, give the boy a break. He really is a top notch driver and Formula 1 is a better competition for having more of these lads. McLaren however need to clean up their act and straighten up; but the same applies to FIA and their interpretation of rules & regulations as well. As to the cars - what you say about McLaren is obviously true for Ferrari as well, the problem is that I don't see any will to fight in Massa or Kovalainen's driving. Quote
KimT Posted April 5, 2009 Posted April 5, 2009 Mkay... Guess you're right. Hamilton is very skilled, probably one of the best (if not the best) drivers in the field. What I dislike, is that he took part in lying and saying exactly what he was told to, instead of telling things the way he saw them. Now with the apology and all, it seems as if he took part in misleading the stewards - and that's not cool. I like rain in a race, just not when it's monsoon rain that ruins the race. As far as I can tell this is the season for monsoon rain in Malaysia and thus I find it odd that they race there now. Wether Hekki or Felipe are good or bad drivers I am not sure. Last season I would have said that they ought to replace Trulli and Barichello - but now they're winning and racing quite well. In F1 the driver means something, but the car means everything. Just look at Renault... The car isn't 'all that' and that makes Nelsinho look like a mediocre driver, which is a shame. This could be his last season as a F1 driver the way things are going. Quote
5150 Lego Posted April 8, 2009 Author Posted April 8, 2009 Well drats. My DVR for some reason didn't record the race. So i wasn't able to see it, just found out the results. Hamiltion is without a doubt an exellent driver. He's proven that he has what it takes to move his way up in the field. And like Otter's said, thats with a the horrible chassis McLaren has this year. That said,..... And i hate to say this,... Bu i think Hamiltion might have to stray away from McLaren after this season. Not because of the chassis. Heck, every Manufactuer has hick-ups along the way when designing a new chassis. But there's just to much bad air surrounding McLaren these days. Although its not likely, its possible that McLaren could be excluded from points this year when they go before the sproting council on the 29th. McLaren was right for firing Ryan Davis, but unfortunutly, the damage has already been done. i do believe though that this is starting to get blown out of proportion. They had their punishment, let them be. Quote
MetroiD Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) But there's just to much bad air surrounding McLaren these days. Although its not likely, its possible that McLaren could be excluded from points this year when they go before the sproting council on the 29th. McLaren was right for firing Ryan Davis, but unfortunutly, the damage has already been done. i do believe though that this is starting to get blown out of proportion. They had their punishment, let them be. Totally agree with you there. I must say however that Ferrari have quite a few internal problems of their own as well, so switching right now would really not be a wise move. Furthermore, Lewis was nurtured through the ranks by McLaren and he was more or less MADE such a success because of the support he received from Ron Dennis. Leaving them now when they are having such bad times could be another huge hit on his public image - what, with all the "liar liar" talk lately... The whole McLaren thing IS blown out of proportion, especially with FIA being hellbent on making them the scapegoats on almost any occasion. However, I couldn't say I didn't see that coming after the stolen blueprints scandal. That was a massive mistake by the Silver Arrows and should never ever have happened. It might have been understandable if we were talking about Toyota or Red Bull stealing sth from Ferrari, but that's McLaren ffs!!! The scandal brought on massive internal problems for the team et voila - the result is obvious. What they need right now is a MAJOR overhaul. Same applies to FIA, however. The timing couldn't be better for teams such as Brawn GP and Toyota to finally start winning major points and mounting a serious title challenge. P.S.: KimT, I agree, the Sepang race was a disaster. The timing was horrible and I can't see how starting the whole thing two hours earlier would have ruined a true fan's sleep... For all of that, I blame none other than Bernie Ecklestone. The man has all but forgotten how things SHOULD be done, that's probably the umpteenth gaffe he is guilty of, only since the season commenced. He MUST step down; the problem is that I can't see who could replace him. Jean Todt would not be a good solution if FIA are to get rid of their biased decisions... Edited April 8, 2009 by Asya & Bobby Otters Quote
Monasti Posted April 8, 2009 Posted April 8, 2009 Jenson Button should win this year IMO. He did rubbish last year, adn the brawn car is amazing this year. Quote
5150 Lego Posted April 9, 2009 Author Posted April 9, 2009 Jenson Button should win this year IMO. He did rubbish last year, adn the brawn car is amazing this year. It would be interesting to see what times couldbe had if Hamiltion,Massa,or even Alonsowere behind the wheel of the Brawn car. I'd bet money ther could get another second a lap out of what Button or Barichello could do. Quote
KimT Posted April 11, 2009 Posted April 11, 2009 We'll soon know if the diffuser thingy will deal another blow to the teams. The hearing is on the 14th and after that we'll see if all teams have to change to the alternate diffuser or if Brawn and Toyota* are stripped of their points. * plus the third team using the alternate design...can't remember which team it is right now. Quote
Lasse D Posted April 11, 2009 Posted April 11, 2009 * plus the third team using the alternate design...can't remember which team it is right now. Use deduction. The engine dictates certain properties for the design on the car, and which team does Toyota share engines with? The diffusers are clearly bending the rules in ways they weren't meant, but they sure make an interesting season. Quote
5150 Lego Posted April 14, 2009 Author Posted April 14, 2009 Hmm.... I doubt it will happen, but it could be possible that Barrichello could be the one to loose out if McLaren does in fact get banned. http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5182869,00.html Man, how that would shake things up. But again, i doubt it would happen. Quote
KimT Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Sheesh This was bound to be the outcome, wasn't it? The FIA International Court of Appeal (ICA) has rejected protests against the diffusers used by the Brawn, Toyota and Williams teams, after concluding that their ‘double decker’ designs comply with the 2009 regulations.BMW Sauber, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault had all questioned the legality of the diffusers, but following Tuesday’s hearing in Paris, the ICA decided that race stewards in Australia and Malaysia had made the right call in declaring them legal. Full statement from the FIA: The FIA International Court of Appeal has decided to deny the appeals submitted against decisions numbered 16 to 24 taken by the Panel of the Stewards on 26 March at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia and counting towards the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship. Based on the arguments heard and evidence before it, the Court has concluded that the Stewards were correct to find that the cars in question comply with the applicable regulations. Full reasons for this decision will be provided in due course. - Taken from Formula1.com It can't be that long now 'till all teams have that very same rear diffuser... Quote
5150 Lego Posted April 15, 2009 Author Posted April 15, 2009 It can't be that long now 'till all teams have that very same rear diffuser... And the playing field will be equal. Then we we really see if Button and Barrichello are as good of drivers as people seem to think they are. Quote
MetroiD Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) Ron Dennis has cut all ties with McLaren... Could that be the first indication that it is indeed doom that awaits my favourite team in F1? I can't say it wouldn't be deserved, but I was really hoping they'd manage to pull themselves out of it. Rumours persist that Lewis might replace Rubens as a Brawn GP driver... What do you guys think of that? Personally, I'd prefer him to stay at McLaren, especially bearing in mind all that the team have done for him. If he goes, they're as good as dead! Edited April 16, 2009 by TheOtters Quote
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