LEGO Star Wars 2020 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[KingSpoozle]

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

For some reason it won't let me directly qoute you but @cookiemonster, you would be correct.

Generic jet trooper from battlefront 2 and the clone wars.

Run for it, he's gone supernova! Good on him though, I'm sure this was at least partially due to his campaign.

I predicted it, within an hour or so of the reveal we get the whining . This kind of reads like sarcasm, i hope it is.

 

Looks great to me, BARC has a new piece, both builds look great even though the AT-RT is inevitably too big, and the figures are insanely detailed, just wow! Good value too, especially when compared to the $20 set from 2013 it's well worth the price increase.

What's the new piece on the BARC?

[lego_guyon02]

17 minutes ago, Sneakguest said:

On the comtrary, I wouldnt mind, happy that they finally listened to one of us. Just next time wish for something  better, Tantive IV, Geonosis Arena or Jedi Temple

I definetely like how we finally got this set but the campaign for it was kinda annoying imo

Just now, KingSpoozle said:

What's the new piece on the BARC?

I believe the front piece, it's a combined version of these pieces:

[LurkingEhlek]

Has it been discussed what the background of the CG is based on? It looks like Cato Nemoidia due to the overhead rock arches in the right. So this along with the trooper design deviations of the jet troopers pretty much shows that this is not specifically taken from TCW Season 7 or even TCW in general. I mean it is not like the background matters much as long as it looks nice.

[karmajay]

I just bought the Mando pack on Amazon this week.

[Mandalorianknight]

24 minutes ago, LurkingEhlek said:

Has it been discussed what the background of the CG is based on? It looks like Cato Nemoidia due to the overhead rock arches in the right. So this along with the trooper design deviations of the jet troopers pretty much shows that this is not specifically taken from TCW Season 7 or even TCW in general. I mean it is not like the background matters much as long as it looks nice.

I didn't pick up on the cato nemodia thing. That, combined with the jet trooper means that if this is based on any one "thing", it's the start of the Ahsoka/temple bombing arc in season 5.

2 hours ago, Cyberfounder said:

I'm sorry, I thought this was a forum to discuss LEGO products and what we think of them. Not to attack people on a personal level for criticizing a sets design or mini-figure printing.  

But I will ask the admins that from now on they censor any criticizing comments if that is what you want? 

I'm not at all saying you shouldn't have an opinion, nor am I "attacking you on a personal level", I'm sorry if that's how it came across. I was poking fun at the community in general and how no matter what comes out, people will complain. I see what you mean about the trooper designs, I just find it funny that no matter what lego does they'll end up getting people mad.

40 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said:

I definetely like how we finally got this set but the campaign for it was kinda annoying imo

I believe the front piece, it's a combined version of these pieces:

Same here, set is great but the campaign got excessive. And 100% right about the new piece.

47 minutes ago, KingSpoozle said:

What's the new piece on the BARC?

as @Guyon2002 points out, it's two small pre-existing pieces molded together as one element. 

1 minute ago, karmajay said:

I just bought the Mando pack on Amazon this week.

nice! 

Edited April 2, 2020 by Mandalorianknight

[BigGuy4U]

2 hours ago, legosamsonite said:

I keep seeing these posts.. was I the only one who managed to find it with no problem in December?

The first time I saw it, I picked one up and it was one of the only two left. Haven't seen it since, although I haven't been in the Lego aisle for a few weeks for obvious reasons.

[Sabre-aN]

I've long been a bit of an army builder and have kept an eye on these Eurobricks upcoming set discussion threads every now and then (so thanks to all who have made them happen!), but this new announcement has finally made me want to chip in my 2 cents - maybe the view of a usually silent fan will be interesting.

I've got...mixed feelings on this one. I actually rather like the BARC and the AT-RT, they're both still a bit oversized but for what they are they're nice. Shame about the fairly large number of stickers but that's been par for the course for many years now, and they look like they'll still look good without them, so that doesn't really bother me. I tend to replace parts to recolour my Republic vehicles to some degree anyway.

Now I imagine most people are pleased that after all these years there's finally a good way to get a reasonable number of 501st troopers, and the figure selection itself is pretty much spot on for a 501st pack, but personally I can't help but feel disappointed in the print design of the figures themselves. After continuous releases over the years of clone trooper figures all based on the movie-style 2014 version as recently as Gree in last year's AT-AP, which all had spot-on printing, and also recent releases of clone wars figures with movie-style realistic printing such as the recent Anakin in 75214, I had figured they'd stick with that earlier movie style and just add the relevant 501st blue markings - after all, the current OT Stormtroopers still use the same torso and leg prints from 2014 as well, even when the helmet was changed. But evidently Lego felt compelled to switch to a completely brand new style of clone wars based printing, which you can tell by the 'squished' more angular upper chestplate and less detailed belt among other things, most likely to match season 7 coming out. Though the cynic in me wonders if it's also to try and coax anyone with a collection of old style troopers to start collecting all over again. I suppose the underlying question is, how many fans would have been unhappy if they'd just used the 2014 movie style print as a base? I realise this isn't an issue for everyone, as not everyone has a large number of older style clones, younger fans especially, and not everyone is bothered by style differences between side-by-side troopers, but for me this means I can't use these troopers in any meaningful way (even if I preferred this new style and did want to switch, I'd want matching gunners and pilots) - I had hoped to convert my 2014-style army to have 501st marked troopers as its officers if new 501st figs ever came out, but alas. This was probably the last chance for a 2014-style 501st figure I would think, unless one miraculously turns up in the upcoming UCS Gunship somehow.

The other thing that bothers me is that the prints themselves seem a little off in terms of accuracy - in particular, on the torso inside the blue stripe, it should have an extra small white bar above the main one. The old 2013 clone wars style torso had this, but this new one looks to have simplified it and only has a single white bar. The Jet Trooper has more issues, as he has a blue block in the centre of his helmet between the visor and the frown which shouldn't be there (presumably copied from the standard 501st print accidentally), and he also has the same leg printing as the standard 501st with only a little blue at the base of the kneepad, whereas he should have a unique print with blue that covers the whole kneepad and more. The print on the top of his head is also a bit odd, with the blue markings being restricted to a narrow central section of the helmet which gives the side blue blocks a triangular shape rather than the more rectangular shape they should have - the 2017 Clone Gunner's print went further to the sides than this so in theory they already have the ability to print further around on this helmet mould, though perhaps not all at once. It's odd as previously with the 2014 style troopers the legion markings had been fantastically accurate, the 212th and 91st standing out in particular to me. To be fair though, the release for this set is still quite a way off - I don't know how long in advance these designs are usually finalised but perhaps some details of the prints may not be quite finished yet. To be honest the use of light grey to fully shade in the cheeks and the use of a plain white hip piece with no printing also comes across as looking odd to me, but this is likely because I'm so used to the old styles as the old black hip piece goes back to the very first trooper minifigs back when I was a kid.

All in all, I may pick up one at some point for the sake of having an example of them - even if it's a little less accurate markings-wise I do prefer this new style to the 2013 Clone Wars 501st, but I still prefer the 2014 movie style to both. It does give new fans a chance to army build 501st which is great, and it's good to see people really looking forward to this set now that it's been officially revealed, but I'll probably always look at it and think of what could have been.

[UberCorp]

Though I've never been that interested in a 501st Battle Pack, the set is pretty nice and I'm honestly happier we got this rather than a traditional battle pack because of the better builds. The AT-RT and BARC speeders look great and the inclusion of a Jet Trooper is definitely welcome.

[Kdapt-Preacher]

That 501st jet trooper is the first fully new clone we've gotten since the Phase 2 gunner in 2017. All the other clones since then have been updates to variants that had already been made. And the P2 gunner had been the first in a long time, too--the jet trooper and the gunner are the only new variants released since the Kashyyyk and Utapau battle packs way back in 2014. It's been a long six years since TCW ended! It's fantastic to start seeing new material from the Prequel era again.

[Kit Figsto]

6 hours ago, jdubbs said:

That shockwave you just felt was MandR's ego exploding.

I can't wait for the next time the Lego Star Wars Youtube community attempts to launch a campaign to bother LEGO so much that they finally give in and put out a set so that people will shut up.  Kinda had my fingers crossed that we wouldn't get a 501st Battle Pack because I feel like this opens a whole can of worms that "You gave into the 501st demands, now make THIS!"

It looks decent, I won't lie, but the sadistic part of me thinks it's funny that this is a $30 set instead of a traditional battle pack.  Technically they gave people what they wouldn't shut up about for the last 5 years, buuut it's twice the price.

Edited April 2, 2020 by Kit Figsto

[DarthsDonuts54]

Anyone notice LEGO gave these troopers feet printing?

[LurkingEhlek]

Just now, DarthsDonuts54 said:

Anyone notice LEGO gave these troopers feet printing?

Good catch. This is the 2nd time they have done this, after the ARC Trooper from years ago.

[lego_guyon02]

Just now, LurkingEhlek said:

Good catch. This is the 2nd time they have done this, after the ARC Trooper from years ago.

Third time, 2011 Bomb Squad Trooper 

[Kit Figsto]

Oh, wanted to say one other thing, I still maintain that the best AT-RT in terms of scale that LEGO ever put out was the one in the Clone battle pack from...2010? I believe?  The year that they released it alongside the assassin droid BP (still think that was a really...weird...choice for a BP).  I am a little surprised at how big this one appears, it looks almost as big as the AT-RT we got maybe 3-4 years ago that came with Yoda, a clone, and a commando droid, which I believe was $30 on its own.  This one looks to be around the same size and comes with a BARC and twice as many figures.  I was expecting with this price point that it would be something a little bit close in size to the normal battle pack version of the AT-RTs.  Not necessarily a terrible thing to get more stuff than expected, though, and I'm sure you could very easily mod this one into a more accurately scaled version if you so chose to.

Edited April 2, 2020 by Kit Figsto

[Mandalorianknight]

Just now, LurkingEhlek said:

Good catch. This is the 2nd time they have done this, after the ARC Trooper from years ago.

I hope we get another ARC, he's so expensive on bricklink, and a 501st one would be nice.

2 minutes ago, DarthsDonuts54 said:

Anyone notice LEGO gave these troopers feet printing?

Yeah, it's just evidence of how much detail they added to this thing. They pulled out all the stops. Stud guns adults hate? Not on the figures, at least. Printing is absolutely exceptional, and to be honest I think it's less that it's TCW style and more that (sans gree and the kashyyyk troops) it's our first P2 clones in a looong time. As others have mentioned, the builds, while oversized, are pretty good-looking.

I think there might be some rendering issues, similar to how they don't have a boxart image, that might be attributing to them looking a bit...off. Personally the white pieces look kind of yellowed to me, but that might just be me.

Just now, Kit Figsto said:

Oh, wanted to say one other thing, I still maintain that the best AT-RT in terms of scale that LEGO ever put out was the one in the Clone battle pack from...2010? I believe?  The year that they released it alongside the assassin droid BP (still think that was a really...weird...choice for a BP).  I am a little surprised at how big this one appears, it looks almost as big as the AT-RT we got maybe 3-4 years ago that came with Yoda, a clone, and a commando droid, which I believe was $30 on its own.  This one looks to be around the same size and comes with a BARC and twice as many figures.  I was expecting with this price point that it would be something a little bit close in size to the normal battle pack version of the AT-RTs.  Not necessarily a terrible thing to get more stuff than expected, though, and I'm sure you could very easily mod this one into a more accurately scaled version if you so chose to.

$20. But a $10 price increase combined with 2 more 501st troopers, a jet trooper, 2 b1s and a BARC seems while worth it, even with the loss of yoda and the droidika.

[Kit Figsto]

Just now, Mandalorianknight said:

$20. But a $10 price increase combined with 2 more 501st troopers, a jet trooper, 2 b1s and a BARC seems while worth it, even with the loss of yoda and the droidika.

Ahh, thanks for the clarification.  In that case, it makes sense.  I had thought it was a $30 set for some reason.  

 

[Bartybum]

I didn’t much care about having a 501st battle pack to begin with, so I’m gonna steam roll ahead with my opinions.

I’m almost never a fan of Lego’s AT-RTs for being so huge, and this time is definitely no exception. They’ve gotta find a way to make more appropriately scaled ones, because the current size is crazy.

I don’t really have anything to say about the speeder, they’re not my thing.

The Clones are nice, but man it’s weird to see them without blue arms. They should’ve at least printed blue shoulders or something, because I don’t think I remember ever seeing generic 501sts with white shoulders.

From memory people wanted a 501st battle pack, not a 501st set. It seems like a bit of a double edged sword to be honest. Sure let’s make you the figs you want, but you need to bog up your collection with these two huge vehicles.

If I was part of the group that wanted this, I’d feel a bit miffed that to get these four troopers that I wanted I’d have to also get these huge filler vehicles that I don’t much care about.

That being said the $45AUD price seems okay enough. Assuming each fig is worth $5, that’s $25 left for both vehicles AND the B1s, which seems fair.

Despite my criticisms, it’s a nice army builder and parts pack.

Edited April 3, 2020 by Bartybum

[Paul11283652]

Wow, I woke up this morning expecting an A-wing and we get this battle pack. I definitely like it more than the Mando BP and I might even start building an army, mainly for the original Battlefront II storyline. The AT-RT is too big, obviously around the legs and feet. However, it’s not so big relative to that minifigs are too short for their width. The helmet looks to be the same as Commander Gree’s from last year with reasonably similar printing. At least to me it does but I’m not really into the minutiae of clone trooper design. Hopefully it will be more widely available in Australia than the Kashyyyk AT-RT as that was only sold by Lego and a few smaller online retailers.

[Mandalorianknight]

1 hour ago, Kit Figsto said:

Ahh, thanks for the clarification.  In that case, it makes sense.  I had thought it was a $30 set for some reason.  

I think one of the youtubers reporting it said that in his video, and the kashyyyk at-rt was $30, so it would make sense. As someone who owned the 2013 set I do have to say that it was garbage compared to this one.

And speaking of the kashyyk set, can we talk about how much better value this one is? You're essentially swapping out the figures for 501st troopers, then adding a jet trooper and another b1, with a barc instead of the dwarf droid and little barricade.

32 minutes ago, Paul11283652 said:

Wow, I woke up this morning expecting an A-wing and we get this battle pack. I definitely like it more than the Mando BP and I might even start building an army, mainly for the original Battlefront II storyline. The AT-RT is too big, obviously around the legs and feet. However, it’s not so big relative to that minifigs are too short for their width. The helmet looks to be the same as Commander Gree’s from last year with reasonably similar printing. 

The AT-RT is certainly too big, but I think that's inevitable at this point. And you are correct, the helmet is the p2 clone helmet Gree uses.

[MKJoshA]

5 hours ago, Evergreen said:

I think he's talking about the "reviews" already made by fanboys on LEGO haha. He should have said "reviews" instead of "views". Weird to say it like that tbh

Yep, just a typo. Meant reviews.

[ARC2149Nova]

5 hours ago, Guyon2002 said:

I definetely like how we finally got this set but the campaign for it was kinda annoying imo

I believe the front piece, it's a combined version of these pieces:

Isn't that just a Nexo Knights shield?

[Clone OPatra]

3 hours ago, Kit Figsto said:

Oh, wanted to say one other thing, I still maintain that the best AT-RT in terms of scale that LEGO ever put out was the one in the Clone battle pack from...2010? I believe? 

To me the best one was the one included in the 2010 Clone Turbo Tank. Correct size proportionally and looked actually light and lean! Also partial to the BARC in the 2011 Clone Battle Pack.

I think people have forgotten LEGO's cardinal rule when it comes to army-building troopers: LEGO is going to change designs and piss you off. They changed the Stormtrooper design soooo many times. It's no surprise they've done a new clone design. And I get why army builders are annoyed.

Personally I like what they're going for with the helmet but I've never liked the mould. It's too tall and the "chin" portion is too large and awkward. The original plain Clone Wars design on it looked squished to me but could be forgiven because it was "cartoony" and the Episode 3 design wasn't much better.

When they last did white hips, way back in those Stormtroopers with leg prints in Palpatine's Arrival, it looked awkward, and it still does. Even if it's technically "accurate", it comes across as wrong and too much white.

Still, all in all, I applaud what LEGO has done and it feels like genuine care was put into it.

[2maxwell]

Thankfully I never cared about the 501st so I don't need to pick this up. I do find it weird that they went with white arms though. I feel like it throws off the whole color balance on special units to give them white arms.

I do find the groaning about MandR to be funny though. Oh no, one of biggest and most successful toy brands gave in to the whims of a youtuber, whatever will we do! Lego will keep making whatever they think will make them money. If you dislike fan campaigns or think the kinds of people who make them are entitled, just avoid those parts of the community.

[Kdapt-Preacher]

27 minutes ago, Clone OPatra said:

When they last did white hips, way back in those Stormtroopers with leg prints in Palpatine's Arrival, it looked awkward, and it still does. Even if it's technically "accurate", it comes across as wrong and too much white.

Still, all in all, I applaud what LEGO has done and it feels like genuine care was put into it.

I tend to agree. It's technically right, but going for that level of accuracy only emphasizes how wrong the proportions on a minifig are. They had white hips on clones more recently than that (albeit not much), in the original AT-AP in 2007, and I think those look better than these recent ones because they don't have so much printing on them, so it doesn't produce such a seam. The biggest problem with these clones IMO is how the plain hip interrupts the belt and everything. With the black it looked like a continuation of the belt or something, but now it's just a gap. If they'd printed the bottom of the belt onto the hips, like they did with the stormtroopers in Imperial Inspection, it might work better, but it's like running Minecraft with a 4K texture pack--painting loads of detail on doesn't help anybody since the underlying shape is still just a box. The stylized look with less dense, literal detailing is always going to age better.

That said, I love the set and will be getting several.

Edited April 3, 2020 by Kdapt-Preacher

[oodan]

11 hours ago, SillySeeker said:

Remember how hard it was to get the Mandalorian Battle Pack? This set is gonna totally be brutal to try and pick up.

Got mine from a fully stocked shelf in Sainsbury's lol, didn't seem to be selling well where I was. Probably because Disney+ wasn't released in my country at that time.