Technic 2020 Set Discussion

[Gray Gear]

Just now, vectormatic said:

Depends, sets like 42077 are extremely uninteresting to me, even as a car-nut, but stuff like the Chiron, i love that, even if it is flawed in the typical lego way

 

What about the bugatti do you consider "a fckn wreck"? i very much enjoyed building mine, and while the flaws are obvious enough (front suspension mostly, and lack of HOG controlls), i still consider it quite a feat of lego design that they managed to put the thing out there. It is a great showpiece, and quite impressive (and this is comming from someone who neither likes the real chiron much, nor was positive about the set upon release)

I dont like the way the Chiron looks, the Porsche just looks better when comparing the Model to the real Counterpart imo. And the way LEGO decided to bump up the Price by a lot just to flood the internet with advertisement, instead of improving the Model and working out these Flaws... Damn. If I look at the Model without the Pricetag and Background in mind, its okay, but still...

The sequential Transmission is cool, and the only thing I really like about the Chiron. And the new Blue shift Gear amazing, so I guess I cant really hate the Bugatti afterall .

If you like your Bugatti, I am happy for you. Its just not for me.

 

2 hours ago, Maaboo35 said:

Yes, that's what I meant. But @Gray Gear, there's no need for your attitude either.

Maybe my comment earlier sounded harder than It was really meant. And if you dont like cars, and just look at the unmodiefied LEGO Sets of cars, I can understand you. I dont love these as well. Well, 8880 is pretty neat for what it is .

To me, your comment seemed very generalized, and not exclusively targeted at TLG. My bad. Because if you talk Technic cars in general, there is a lot more to see that Doors and an Engine.

[suffocation]

4 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

Well, 8880 is pretty neat for what it is 

Blackbird's axiom always holds true, were it only for what the designers accomplished with the limited parts available back then. And let's not forget that in terms of technical features, the latest supercars are still lagging behind 8880.

 

[Gray Gear]

I dont think I am old enough to really apprechiate the old Brick style build of 8880, but pop up Headlights and a manual Transmission are enough to make it cooler than the Bugatti imo 

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by Gray Gear

[syclone]

@vectormatic Not a fan of the Chiron either (I much prefer the 1999 concept, but the Imo the design of the set isn't really on point - the front specially as it is not consistent with the rest of the car (too many holes compared to the rest) . It'd be nice to get something not recent and more of an iconic model like in the Creator Expert line to attract more audience. And TLG, please no more half baked Corvettes 

[Bartybum]

2 hours ago, suffocation said:

 

That’s a very strange way to spell 42043

[suffocation]

Ha, good point

I'd say 8880 is the best of the studded era and 42043 of the studless era because they pushed the limits with the available parts while staying within TLG's sad but inescapable marketing parameters. And they're the only two sets I keep built, along with 42042 which got me back into Lego.

[1963maniac]

23 minutes ago, syclone said:

And TLG, please no more half baked Corvettes 

Yes, I'm still waiting for a Corvette with Chevrolet collaboration. How about TLG???; A beautiful mid- engine Corvette with a big beefy V8 with paddle shift and convertible top!!??

[1gor]

6 hours ago, 1963maniac said:

Yes, I'm still waiting for a Corvette with Chevrolet collaboration. How about TLG???; A beautiful mid- engine Corvette with a big beefy V8 with paddle shift and convertible top!!??

Lucky me that I do not like modern cars, otherwise when I see prices for Porsche (s) And Bugatti here I would bankrupt.

Important thing IMHO is that there is everything in release year; from aircrafts to cars, boats, motorbikes and of course machinery. Size is a point of view

Edited August 22, 2019 by I_Igor

[howitzer]

11 hours ago, syclone said:

@vectormatic Not a fan of the Chiron either (I much prefer the 1999 concept, but the Imo the design of the set isn't really on point - the front specially as it is not consistent with the rest of the car (too many holes compared to the rest) . It'd be nice to get something not recent and more of an iconic model like in the Creator Expert line to attract more audience. And TLG, please no more half baked Corvettes 

Now, a Ford model T would really be something.

[Vectormatic]

@Gray Gear I can respect that, i was pretty skeptical about the chiron before buying it, and even if i ended up liking it, there is no denying the design is sub optimal in many ways. despite its flaws though, it was quite something to see the gearbox work for the first time, putting a pf motor on a wheel, then with it running flip through the gears while watching the pistons move faster and faster with every click (obviously i was downshifting :P)

I might end up rebuilding it in "pimp my bugatti" spec, but as it stands it is a cool and very impressive showmodel, and a very memorable build, i took my time with it, and seeing the car slowly take shape over two weeks was amazing. It also changed my mind and made me get the porsche after all, i plan on building that in pimped up spec right away, since i dont expect the stock build to be all that impressive, nor will the end result be in terms of features.

 

 

As for all the 8880 nostalgia, i agree that for its time it was amazing, but im not sure how well it has aged. I still need to dust off and rebuild mine, and while it undeniably was the king of its day, but the only reason it stands even near the bugatti for instance, is the fact that all of 8880s features worked without issue, whereas the chiron has suspension issues etc.. if we had been shown a 8 speed sequential gearbox in 1994, all of collective minds would have been blown out of this galaxy. Once the issues with the porsche or chiron are fixed, the only metric which would give 8880 a point is features/part count, and imho, that metric doesnt make much sense comparing sets 25 years apart, with an entirely different building system (and probably discounts being a pretty damn good aproximation of a real car as a feature)

I absolutely would love technic cars to have more features/$, having to spend $300/400 for a car with a gearbox sucks bigtime, and empty shells like 42077 and 42096 arent very technic at all, but all this 8880 nostalgia circle-bricking doesnt seem very realistic to me either (and FWIW, 8880s MSRP of $130 would be $225 today, adjusted for inflation)

 

(and some pointless comparison, for what one pays for say, 42077 today, $80-100, one would have $50-60 1994 dollars, which would get you something like this https://brickset.com/sets/8440-1/Formula-Flash. Granted, one year off, but there you go, racecar, six cylinder engine, steering, that is it, at least these days we get full suspension all around)

[suffocation]

4 minutes ago, vectormatic said:

[...]all this 8880 nostalgia circle-bricking doesnt seem very realistic to me [...]

I think you're missing a major point here: 8880 pushed the limits with what was available back then. 42056/42083 don't. That, to me, is what makes 8880 inspiring, aside from the fact that yes, the features do indeed work and not in some half-arsed way like 42056/42083.

[Vectormatic]

@suffocation

8880 didnt push the limits using just what was available back then, looking at the parts list, all the critical bits for the gearbox were new in that set (shiftstick, clutches and shift-plate), not to mention the components needed to drive the wheels in a double wishbone sprung suspension. 8880 wouldnt have been possible with the parts set available in 1993, and for some of those parts lego didnt even find a use in other set

I wholeheartedly agree that the flawed features bring 56 and 83 down, but i dont agree with putting 8880 on a pedestal like many do here, technic in those days has its flaws as well, who here doesnt have a few broken gears from these days? (these ones specifically https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=4143&idColor=9#T=P&C=9), or those finely toothed connectors which had to be adjusted with a half pin fine toothed bush? And while 8880 for instance carries a lot of nostalgic value, i kind of dread putting it together again, since i know it wont look anywhere as cool displayed on the shelf between its newer brothers. 12 year old me thought it looked just like a lamborghini (for whatever reason...), 34 year old me thinks its an ugly early 90s wire frame relic from when 3d games meant single digit polygon count models.

[suffocation]

Let me rephrase that - 8880 made the best of what was available, including the parts tailor-made for the set. 42056 and 42083 don't: all the parts designed for the cars' respective gearboxes are used in ways that cause a) a shitload of friction b) a double shitload of backlash c) occasional double shifting. So it's complexity for complexity's sake, which isn't complexity but complication and sloppiness. None of that codswallop is found in 8880.

As for the aesthetics, that's subjective. The points I've made above are objective, i.e. not subject to personal bias.

[Technicallism]

Don’t know why but i have a strong feeling this 1H 2020 will be a very similar line-up like 2013, regardless 1H or 2H

a mobile crane,

a bike,

an [entertainment], which i suspect a F1

 

2013 just right after 4x4 crawler 9398

2020 just right after 42099 ??

 

nothing to instruct, just in my opinion :p

[Timorzelorzworz]

I guess the 42108 crane is bright light orange. After 42099 we will see this color more and more in Technic, especially for construction vehicles.

[AVCampos]

I would like that to happen, but I'm not keeping my hopes up: I'm still burned with the 42039, the 42069 and the 8527.

[ozacek]

On 8/22/2019 at 4:20 PM, vectormatic said:

all this 8880 nostalgia circle-bricking doesnt seem very realistic to me 

Fully agree. Following all the praise I recently bought & built the 8880 for the first time, and was left largely unimpressed in comparision with what exists today as MOCs and official sets. And like you said, too many tailor-made parts to achieve the functionality, not very impressive either.

[Vectormatic]

4 hours ago, ozacek said:

Fully agree. Following all the praise I recently bought & built the 8880 for the first time, and was left largely unimpressed in comparision with what exists today as MOCs and official sets. And like you said, too many tailor-made parts to achieve the functionality, not very impressive either. 

My point wasnt that there were too many new specific parts, and the clutches have gone on to be used for great stuff, my point was just that 8880, like 42083 for instance, needed a new piece to do what it did.

I plan on rebuilding 8880 sometime soon, to see how it feels after 42056 and 42083, but i first have to finish the former and get the sluban/cobi tank monkey off my back :D Either way im not entirely sure where and even if i would display 8880, i dont think it looks particularly good next to todays supercars, and im affraid the white wheels will yellow even more..

[1963maniac]

On 8/22/2019 at 5:25 PM, suffocation said:

Let me rephrase that - 8880 made the best of what was available, including the parts tailor-made for the set. 42056 and 42083 don't: all the parts designed for the cars' respective gearboxes are used in ways that cause a) a shitload of friction b) a double shitload of backlash c) occasional double shifting. So it's complexity for complexity's sake, which isn't complexity but complication and sloppiness. None of that codswallop is found in 8880.

As for the aesthetics, that's subjective. The points I've made above are objective, i.e. not subject to personal bias.

He's right!! And, In defense of 8880 nostalgia, the point of view has to be going forward from sets like 8865 from six years earlier. Look at the v4 engine and the 3 speed unsynchronized transmission.  http://www.technicopedia.com/8865.html The comparison from 8860 with 8880 is really more of a "contrast". So when Lego came out with 8880, It was a huge move forward for Lego Supercars!!!! There is no doubt now, when comparing 8880 to any current Lego supercar, that building the 8880 now is a let down. LEGO has come a long way since the 8880. Not to mention there is a humongous difference between building with studded technic bricks and studless beams. Keep in mind the perspective is going forward. Lego has made big improvements with supercars over their history and they have evolved for the better. 

[Steinbeisserheld]

On 7/18/2019 at 9:58 PM, JackBloomer5 said:

A Ram 3500 with daulies would be awesome and could offer a lot in terms of functions rather than just “fast” as you were saying. I think that would be a great way to go for UCS. Imagine if they gave us the Kong’s Ranch Red and Gold F-150 in 1:8 scale. 

A Ford F-150 or Dodge RAM in 1:8 scale, that would be huge. But there are not that many fans of pick-up trucks as there are for sport cars. So i think Lego wouldn´t bring it, not in the "UCS" series. Maybe someday a Chevy Silverado in the corvette scale.

[allanp]

I'm not sure it really matters too much what it is, be it a pick up or bucket wheel excavator, it's what it can do and (for me at least) how realistically it does it. A super cool looking and mechanically authentic pick up is surely more desirable than a less than accurate sports car. Though of course there are limits. As much as this community would love to see a road grader, I think that's just a little to far down the cool factor scale to be a big main model. But then that's what B-models are for right? A 6 wheel grader would make a pretty good B-model to a pretty large (one set below flagship) mining dump truck.

[Maaboo the Witch]

1 hour ago, allanp said:

As much as this community would love to see a road grader, I think that's just a little to far down the cool factor scale to be a big main model. But then that's what B-models are for right? A 6 wheel grader would make a pretty good B-model to a pretty large (one set below flagship) mining dump truck.

Ooh, get the graderist! Road construction not good enough for you, Allan?

Anyhoo, I wonder if the Mini Xerion has a B-model, seeing as the big version didn't.

[WvG_853]

Why would a grader be less cool than a mining truck? 6 wheels, yellow, big, flagship set, lots of functions! That’s what Lego Technic is about. I keep hoping/dreaming ...

[allanp]

13 hours ago, Maaboo35 said:

Ooh, get the graderist! Road construction not good enough for you, Allan?

 As a fellow resident of the UK I'm sick of it, but then it is needed so can't complain.

13 hours ago, WvG_853 said:

Why would a grader be less cool than a mining truck? 6 wheels, yellow, big, flagship set, lots of functions!

I honestly don't know and it's a good question. It could be because it's not very dynamic. With a dump truck or excavator or whatever, you have these large structures like the bucket or digging arm that moves quite far, you can see it working from a distance. With a race car or off road pickup you can see it driving fast or climbing over obstacles like a badass. With a forklift you can see experienced operators moving loads around at some pretty crazy speeds. My point is that you can easily see even from a distance what jobs they are doing, and the power they have. You can understand why such things would excite the minds of Technics target audience of young-teen boys. Every kid knows what an excavator or a forklift is, but a grader?

Now I could be wrong, maybe I'm just an ignorant graderist  but with a grader, what do you see it doing? The blade moves up and down very little and swivels a little bit, and can tilt a little bit whilst it drives forward slowly. It just doesn't seem all that dynamic to me. But to be fair, you could say the same about a bulldozer or a tractor. However you can imagine a bulldozer or tractor being extremely powerful and unstoppable in a way that's difficult with a grader. But like I say, I really don't know why I find a grader to be less cool than most other things. I've tried to analyse (and possibly over analysed) something that's just a purely subjective opinion based on gut feeling.

I know a lot of people here would love to see a grader and for that reason I'd love to see TLG release one (along with a 501st battle pack, whatever that is! Some star trek thing ) as a proper A-model. And if it has 6 new wheels like the claas but smaller (81mm say) and lots of pneumatics with hoses going everywhere like the real thing then you know I'm gonna be all over that! Fully RC and fully pneumatic at the same time with new smaller class wheels and planetary gear reduction hubs you say? Well now this grader is getting cooler and cooler.....to me. I'd buy that first day of release full price. But it's still a grader, and in the minds of TLGs target audience of teens, has a grader really been able to capture their imaginations like an excavator or offroader, where their power and movement is far easier to see? I think that TLG kind of relies on their target audience already being somewhat aware of the model subject matter and finding it cool to translate into their model of said subject matter also being cool. But with a grader I think it might have to be the other way round, where they see this cool looking model of some construction thingy that they know not so much about, and then subsequently finding the real life thing cool. 

Edited September 15, 2019 by allanp

[Zerobricks]

IMO a telehandler with planetary hubs, Claas wheels, all wheel drive and steering, liftable and extendable arm, etc... would be a more dynamic model... But I think we should post such ideas the the wish topic.

Edited September 16, 2019 by Zerobricks