Darth Shadowthrone Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Accio Lego said: If nothing else, the Iornbelly needs to be big enough for three minifigures to fit on its back. After all, what’s the play value of a Gringott’s dragon that the trio can’t make a daring escape on? This would be perfect but I doubt that there would be a 6x2 row of studs on the back of a Lego dragon, unless it was as big as say the 70612 Green Ninja Dragon or the 70652, both of which had four legs instead of being wyverns like all the Harry Potter dragons. If the Ironbelly was built at the same scale as the Horntail it would look ridiculously small next to the three minifigures on its back. This tells me again that the Ironbelly is very unlikely to come in the Diagon Alley set. Gringotts will most likely have the foyer section so the dragon would look really out of place there, unless there's a special rock area built just to recreate the Deathly Hallows break-in which would clash with the layout of the rest of the shops. Personally I think there'll be a younger version of Harry and Hagrid, two goblins and a small piece of unconnected track build which runs straight with a similarly unconnected vault door. This would not need many pieces and would mean all the iconic scenes from Gringotts in Philosopher's Stone could be recreated.
sammy_zammy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 6 hours ago, LordVoldemort said: The newest hint reaffirms my belief that the D2C is a micro scale Diagon alley, with micro interiors including the underground vault I’m not sure why that has any indication it’s micro scale but okay...
Huigberts Builds Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Accio Lego said: Also I think your estimate for the number of buildings is off. Remember, Gringotts will be the biggest building in the set by far, no matter how extensive the interior may or may not be. Most of the other shops are much smaller, with WWW being a bit larger but not as big as the bank. And only Gringotts, Ollivander’s and WWW (and maybe Flourish and Blott’s) really need interiors, which will probably mean a lot of fun colorful shops that are only the storefronts. I don’t see any of those buildings taking up nearly the budget of Gringotts, so I suspect that 4 buildings is a severe underestimate. Well that greatly depends on the buildings included. If a Leaky Cauldron is included I expect two floors + the wall which all together would be close to the size of Gringotts. Also with the 4 buildings I counted Gringotts and the vault as 1, so I could see about 5 builds. Of course Gringotts is gonna be bigger than an Ollivander's, but keep in mind the old DA was $150,- with 3 buildings, so roughly speaking about 50,- a building (considering Gringotts was really sized down). Now it's basically a given that these buildings would be way more detailed than last time, increasing the piece count. And assuming Gringott's scale would be more accurate next to the other buildings this time around, adding another floor, thus increasing the size with about 50%. Taking all of that into consideration, you'll get to $400 pretty quickly. I can see gringotts + vault already taking up about $150,- of the price. $75 for Ollivander's and another $75 for B&B (or whichever store it ends up being, probably WWW, but I took B&B as comparison with the last one) and about $100,- for the leaky cauldron. And that's already $400,-. Although it all greatly depends on how they're going to do the vaults. If they're just going to do a small throwaway build, it obviously doesn't count as the 5th build and then I could see a 5th building being added to the mix. Ofcourse this would all mean the stores aren't gonna be to scale with Hogwarts, but they were never going to be, it's system, it's never going to be to scale. Especially not if they want to include interiors, which definitely will be included. And I really don't see them doing a few facades in between those buildings as that would be very inconsistent.
lego_guyon02 Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Darth Shadowthrone said: This would be perfect but I doubt that there would be a 6x2 row of studs on the back of a Lego dragon, unless it was as big as say the 70612 Green Ninja Dragon or the 70652, both of which had four legs instead of being wyverns like all the Harry Potter dragons. If the Ironbelly was built at the same scale as the Horntail it would look ridiculously small next to the three minifigures on its back. This tells me again that the Ironbelly is very unlikely to come in the Diagon Alley set. Gringotts will most likely have the foyer section so the dragon would look really out of place there, unless there's a special rock area built just to recreate the Deathly Hallows break-in which would clash with the layout of the rest of the shops. Personally I think there'll be a younger version of Harry and Hagrid, two goblins and a small piece of unconnected track build which runs straight with a similarly unconnected vault door. This would not need many pieces and would mean all the iconic scenes from Gringotts in Philosopher's Stone could be recreated. Don't forget LEGO generally doesn't care about scale. And the Ironbelly doesn't need a rock area to sit on, if properly designed it could easily be placed on the roof of Gringotts just like it is in the Universal park. It would allow LEGO to include the Ironbelly without having to adjust the building itself
Huigberts Builds Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Guyon2002 said: Don't forget LEGO generally doesn't care about scale. And the Ironbelly doesn't need a rock area to sit on, if properly designed it could easily be placed on the roof of Gringotts just like it is in the Universal park. It would allow LEGO to include the Ironbelly without having to adjust the building itself Yeah that's probably even a more iconic place for him to be than in the vaults. I could definitely see Lego do this. And we've seen already (thanks to some great setups of people here) that the horntail fitted pretty nicely on the marble staircase tower so I think an ironbelly of about the same size should also fit on Gringotts.
sammy_zammy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Huigberts Builds said: Well that greatly depends on the buildings included. If a Leaky Cauldron is included I expect two floors + the wall which all together would be close to the size of Gringotts. Also with the 4 buildings I counted Gringotts and the vault as 1, so I could see about 5 builds. Of course Gringotts is gonna be bigger than an Ollivander's, but keep in mind the old DA was $150,- with 3 buildings, so roughly speaking about 50,- a building (considering Gringotts was really sized down). Now it's basically a given that these buildings would be way more detailed than last time, increasing the piece count. And assuming Gringott's scale would be more accurate next to the other buildings this time around, adding another floor, thus increasing the size with about 50%. Taking all of that into consideration, you'll get to $400 pretty quickly. I can see gringotts + vault already taking up about $150,- of the price. $75 for Ollivander's and another $75 for B&B (or whichever store it ends up being, probably WWW, but I took B&B as comparison with the last one) and about $100,- for the leaky cauldron. And that's already $400,-. Although it all greatly depends on how they're going to do the vaults. If they're just going to do a small throwaway build, it obviously doesn't count as the 5th build and then I could see a 5th building being added to the mix. Ofcourse this would all mean the stores aren't gonna be to scale with Hogwarts, but they were never going to be, it's system, it's never going to be to scale. Especially not if they want to include interiors, which definitely will be included. And I really don't see them doing a few facades in between those buildings as that would be very inconsistent. As Guyon said (and you said at the end!) Lego doesn’t care about scale, and rightly so. They also aren’t bothered by screen accuracy or location. I think you need to remember this is an official set, not a MOC. Look at the existing Hogwarts Sets - the Gryffindor Dorm is two beds in a tiny space in a random place. Then apply this to say your Leaky Cauldron with two floors (although granted this is a $400 D2C so is likely to be more detailed and accurate and complex) - the second floor need not be anything more than a bedroom and maybe a little hallway. It could easily be how day the Winter Village did inteiors and second floors pre 2018 - the upstairs parts were always a tiny protrusion, or even just a tiny space that they could fit in the roof. Or even compare to the newer Winter Village sets which have More full upstairs - these are $100 with all the outside accessories which DA needs less of. Furthermore, the 2011 DA had an impressive price to part ratio - but this is an even more expensive set and so is likely to have an even better price per part. I do agree they’re unlikely to just have facades of some shops, and that each shop will likely have more pieces compared to a 2011 equivalent simply due to the extra detail Lego put in nowadays.
SupesBatsy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Wild idea, but what if DA is minifigure scale and the gringott has some kind of microscale interior for the vaults? Like, the exterior and the main hall of the bank is in minifigure scale but behind it we have maybe Harry's vault in minfigure scale and the others, maybe forming a rocky wall filled with them, could be microscale to give a sense of perspective?
sammy_zammy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, SupesBatsy said: Wild idea, but what if DA is minifigure scale and the gringott has some kind of microscale interior for the vaults? Like, the exterior and the main hall of the bank is in minifigure scale but behind it we have maybe Harry's vault in minfigure scale and the others, maybe forming a rocky wall filled with them, could be microscale to give a sense of perspective? That would be cool! I can't imagine the outrage from many Lego fans at Lego for trying something different though (*cough* Lego Mario *cough*).
lego_guyon02 Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 The minifigure selection for that MoM set posted by the same guy just further proves how fake it is. Five reused figures and a new Percy, how is this even remotely close to being believable?! Not even LEGO is that stupid
sammy_zammy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Guyon2002 said: The minifigure selection for that MoM set posted by the same guy just further proves how fake it is. Five reused figures and a new Percy, how is this even remotely close to being believable?! Not even LEGO is that stupid I agree it's fake but why does the minifigure selection imply that? Also that person who keeps posting Ariana Grande videos under #legoleaks is really annoying
lego_guyon02 Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, sammy_zammy said: I agree it's fake but why does the minifigure selection imply that? Because the selection doesn't make any sense: - Harry - exactly the same as the CMF figure, not really anything to make it unique except for making him inaccurate or changing the faceprint - Dumbledore - same as Harry - Bellatrix - reuse from the Burrow - Voldemort - same as Harry and Dumbledore - Fudge - reuse from Hagrid's Hut but with hair instead of a hat - Percy - after CoS Percy becomes nothing more than a useless background character (movies ofc), our chances of getting a post-CoS Percy are pretty much nonexistent. Even the Fat Lady has a higher chance of becoming a figure
8fifty Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, sammy_zammy said: Also that person who keeps posting Ariana Grande videos under #legoleaks is really annoying In this channel there are actually 90% of the posts that don't relate with any leak. Just a lot of people who try to gain followers by using the hashtag instead of starting to make good content. I get more and more tired of that.
Huigberts Builds Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, sammy_zammy said: As Guyon said (and you said at the end!) Lego doesn’t care about scale, and rightly so. They also aren’t bothered by screen accuracy or location. I think you need to remember this is an official set, not a MOC. Look at the existing Hogwarts Sets - the Gryffindor Dorm is two beds in a tiny space in a random place. Then apply this to say your Leaky Cauldron with two floors (although granted this is a $400 D2C so is likely to be more detailed and accurate and complex) - the second floor need not be anything more than a bedroom and maybe a little hallway. It could easily be how day the Winter Village did inteiors and second floors pre 2018 - the upstairs parts were always a tiny protrusion, or even just a tiny space that they could fit in the roof. Or even compare to the newer Winter Village sets which have More full upstairs - these are $100 with all the outside accessories which DA needs less of. Oh but I do agree, that's exactly what I mean with interior, anything more would be very unrealistic. But even a tiny interior like the winter vilage would be expensive. And I mean just look at the toyshop, it was $60,- with it's original release but itss remake was already hitting $80,-. And that was 5 years ago. The gingerbread house is what I expect for a WWW or Leaky Cauldron. Which barely has any outside accessories, but let's say it's about $25,- less without it (which is really pushing it) that's still $75,-. So let's say that makes the final price 375 if they did it like did, those 25 which with we are left really ain't gonna pull out a 6th building. Plus HP is licensed, which might also play a factor in the price. So whichever way I look at it, I keep coming back to 5 builds top with tiny interiors. But I really hope I'm wrong about this, just don't wanna get my hopes up. I just think 5 builds is the most realistic thing to ask for, anything more would be great, but I'm not counting on it. 43 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said: The minifigure selection for that MoM set posted by the same guy just further proves how fake it is. Five reused figures and a new Percy, how is this even remotely close to being believable?! Not even LEGO is that stupid I agree, only thing that makes me wonder if there might be another set in the form of the MoM are 3 kingnono posts. That being "he's back" hinting at fudge (who sure could appear on diagon alley, but the quote wouldn't really make sense). "Underground" which most literal meaning in the movies has mostly been linked to the MoM entrances. And lastly "set number confusion because of store exclusivity" of which I can only think of the confusion about 75978 as I can't think of confusion about any other set numbers. Besides we still haven't heard what the shop exclusive set is, none of the confirmed sets have claimed it so far (unless I'm missing something). Of course this doesn't have to mean MoM at all, but I'm at least a little bit more open about the possibility now. But the other guy has most definitely nothing to do with that (even more so as his minifigure selection contradicts the iconic underground scene comment in all the possible outcomes, as it's missing some key characters for all those scenes.)
sammy_zammy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) Just now, Huigberts Builds said: Oh but I do agree, that's exactly what I mean with interior, anything more would be very unrealistic. But even a tiny interior like the winter vilage would be expensive. And I mean just look at the toyshop, it was $60,- with it's original release but itss remake was already hitting $80,-. And that was 5 years ago. The gingerbread house is what I expect for a WWW or Leaky Cauldron. Which barely has any outside accessories, but let's say it's about $25,- less without it (which is really pushing it) that's still $75,-. So let's say that makes the final price 375 if they did it like did, those 25 which with we are left really ain't gonna pull out a 6th building. Plus HP is licensed, which might also play a factor in the price. So whichever way I look at it, I keep coming back to 5 builds top with tiny interiors. But I really hope I'm wrong about this, just don't wanna get my hopes up. I just think 5 builds is the most realistic thing to ask for, anything more would be great, but I'm not counting on it. Okay yeah I see what you're saying. In my head I had the GBP numbers which are obviously lower than USD, yet still trying to make it up to 400. Based on the $400 Hogwarts Castle, I'm hoping this will be around £350. I've always agreed 5 buildings seems most likely, 4 is a definite (and would be a bit disappointing) but I think 5 is definitely reasonable). 6 would be amazing. Of course it seems a bit meaningless arguing over how many there are when we don't even know how detailed they are gonna be. For all we know it could be just a mega detailed gigantic Gringotts lol Edited April 13, 2020 by sammy_zammy
Huigberts Builds Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, sammy_zammy said: Of course it seems a bit meaningless arguing over how many there are when we don't even know how detailed they are gonna be. For all we know it could be just a mega detailed gigantic Gringotts lol Oh god, don't say scary stuff like that
Darth Shadowthrone Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Guyon2002 said: Don't forget LEGO generally doesn't care about scale. And the Ironbelly doesn't need a rock area to sit on, if properly designed it could easily be placed on the roof of Gringotts just like it is in the Universal park. It would allow LEGO to include the Ironbelly without having to adjust the building itself I hadn't thought of the dragon being put on the roof, that's a really solid point! I could easily see that happening
sammy_zammy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Huigberts Builds said: Oh god, don't say scary stuff like that Well as I said a page back, if they included the goblet scene from Bellatrix's vault, then they're gonna need a lot of goblets...
GryffindorResistance Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 It would be ideal to have Diagon Alley as the UCS and the Ironbelly as a smaller dragon set that could come out next year along with the Deathly Hallows sets. Or did we get a confirmation of the dragon? Ultimately, I hope Diagon Alley includes figures from all the films, rather than just one. My predictions: - Harry Potter (Sorcerer's Stone) - Hagrid (Sorcerer's Stone) - Mr. Ollivander - 2 Gringotts Goblins - Ron Weasley (Chamber of Secrets) - Hermione Granger (Chamber of Secrets) - Fred Weasley (Half-Blood Prince) - George Weasley (Half-Blood Prince) - Draco Malfoy (Chamber of Secrets) - Lucius Malfoy (Chamber of Secrets) That would be the ideal and most likely lineup if they decided to incorporate ALL Diagon Alley moments.
Balrogofmorgoth Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 If the Astronomy Tower comes with Draco in his Slytherin robes then I hope Diagon Alley comes with him in his black suit.
BrickBob Studpants Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said: If the Astronomy Tower comes with Draco in his Slytherin robes then I hope Diagon Alley comes with him in his black suit. He could still be included in a DH set next year After all, the idea of a set based on the Skirmish at Malfoy Manor was on the table for the 2010/11 sets, so I can definitely see them revisiting it And if they do, Draco would be an obvious inclusion
Retro Brick Reviews Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I'm bored, so here are my ideal figure predictions (i.e. not including duplicates of the trio for different time periods). I'm also just presuming the inclusion of LC, Ollivander's, Gringotts, F&B, and WWW, because that just seems the most likely situation based on existing clues. -Harry (SS/PS) -Ron (CoS) -Hermione (CoS) -Hagrid (PS/SS) -Ginny (CoS) -Mr. Ollivander (PS/SS) -2 Goblins (PS/SS) -Fred & George (HBP) -Lockhart (CoS) -Lucius (CoS) -Draco (CoS) -Arthur (CoS) -Tom the Inkeeper -Doris Crockford -Dedalus Diggle Those last two are just because I want the set to include some fun and unique minor characters that most won't mind missing out on but fans would still want, and those two fit with the Leaky Cauldron. Also, I imagine any and all characters we get two time period designs for would have the alternates set in HBP, to go along with WWW. (PoA figures just don't make sense to me.)
sammy_zammy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Lego-Freak said: He could still be included in a DH set next year After all, the idea of a set based on the Skirmish at Malfoy Manor was on the table for the 2010/11 sets, so I can definitely see them revisiting it And if they do, Draco would be an obvious inclusion It was on the table? were there unreleased 2010/11 sets?
Retro Brick Reviews Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Also, I think the "underground scene" will be a lot simpler than what some here are thinking. It'll probably just be a small straight section of track leading to a pair of small vaults (Harry's and 713). Also, I don't think they'll include the Ironbelly, since a big playscale dragon would both take up a lot of pieces and distract from the collector's feel of the kit. Just now, sammy_zammy said: It was on the table? were there unreleased 2010/11 sets? It's the only cancelled set we know of. A concept drawing of it was featured in the 2011 HP Visual Dictionary.
sammy_zammy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: I'm bored, so here are my ideal figure predictions (i.e. not including duplicates of the trio for different time periods). I'm also just presuming the inclusion of LC, Ollivander's, Gringotts, F&B, and WWW, because that just seems the most likely situation based on existing clues. -Harry (SS/PS) -Ron (CoS) -Hermione (CoS) -Hagrid (PS/SS) -Ginny (CoS) -Mr. Ollivander (PS/SS) -2 Goblins (PS/SS) -Fred & George (HBP) -Lockhart (CoS) -Lucius (CoS) -Draco (CoS) -Arthur (CoS) -Tom the Inkeeper -Doris Crockford -Dedalus Diggle Those last two are just because I want the set to include some fun and unique minor characters that most won't mind missing out on but fans would still want, and those two fit with the Leaky Cauldron. Also, I imagine any and all characters we get two time period designs for would have the alternates set in HBP, to go along with WWW. (PoA figures just don't make sense to me.) This would be an awesome minifig selection and is also quite reasonable. Maybe some unidentified witches/wizards for the other shops if we get other shops would be nice additions. Although I expect if I hunted on the Harry Potter wiki they have names. Some random Hogwarts students to just go in shops or look through windows ("Look the new Nimbus 2000!" Was that Dean Thomas?) would be nice extras too. 6 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: Also, I think the "underground scene" will be a lot simpler than what some here are thinking. It'll probably just be a small straight section of track leading to a pair of small vaults (Harry's and 713). Also, I don't think they'll include the Ironbelly, since a big playscale dragon would both take up a lot of pieces and distract from the collector's feel of the kit. Yeah that's what I was thinking, I feel people are overcomplicating it / expecting more than is sensible from it, and then disappointing themselves. 6 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: It's the only cancelled set we know of. A concept drawing of it was featured in the 2011 HP Visual Dictionary. Oh I'll take a look! Edit: any idea where I might find info/pics on it (without buying the book lol). Edit 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UCHW7msedo is a good video but I can't seem to find it in there? Or is that the wrong book? Edited April 13, 2020 by sammy_zammy
2lazeetomakeaname Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, sammy_zammy said: Oh I'll take a look! Edit: any idea where I might find info/pics on it (without buying the book lol). just2good shows it in one of his cancelled set videos
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