Holden Brickfield Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Falconfan1414 said: Yeah it’s not hp lol. It’s actually about hidden side ending That’s a relief it wasn’t about this theme, though that’s still a bit of a bummer that Hidden Side is ending. I never personally bought any of the sets with my limited lego budget, but it still looked like it had fun and interesting builds and playability. Rip
sammy_zammy Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, 8fifty said: Ok, the word is out. It will be human scale. You need to have a huge garden to build and display it ? Now THAT would be worth $400.
MaxHeadroom Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) I'm shocked to see the Great Hall retiring since it's such a popular flagship set. With the Advent Calendar and the polybag I would guess that we won't see another GH until 2022 at the earliest. I already own the 2018 and 2019 sets but I might try to pick up another copy of one and keep it sealed. Not sure which set to choose though if I'll even be able to afford to do that after I buy the 2020 sets whenever those finally release in the US. Edited July 17, 2020 by MaxHeadroom
Falconfan1414 Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 From now on I’ll specially put hp for stuff like that if it is indeed about hp anything else just assume it’s not about that
sammy_zammy Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, MaxHeadroom said: I'm shocked to see the Great Hall retiring since it's such a popular flagship set. With the Advent Calendar and the polybag I would guess that we won't see another GH until 2022 at the earliest. I already own the 2018 and 2019 sets but I might try to pick up another copy of one and keep it sealed. Not sure which set to choose though of if I'll even be able to afford to do that after I buy the 2020 sets whenever those finally release in the US. I’m not 100% convinced. Why would Hogwarts Express be staying but Great Hall be going?
mscott71 Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said: The ''disappointing news'' is Hidden Side coming to an end, nothing for us. And let's be real here, anyone who didn't think HS would be ending soon was fooling themselves I've been expecting it ever since my nephew declared HS his new favourite theme. First it was Nexo, now HS. I live in fear of him deciding he likes any of my favourite themes... ;)
BacktoBricks Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, mscott71 said: I've been expecting it ever since my nephew declared HS his new favourite theme. First it was Nexo, now HS. I live in fear of him deciding he likes any of my favourite themes... ;) Oh dear, poor guy's going to be disappointed
Seaber Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, MaxHeadroom said: I'm shocked to see the Great Hall retiring since it's such a popular flagship set. Same. It almost felt like it might do a 10188 Death Star and hang around for years. Got to grab a second set before it goes forever.
MaxHeadroom Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, sammy_zammy said: I’m not 100% convinced. Why would Hogwarts Express be staying but Great Hall be going? HE would stay because it had a limited release when it first came out (in the US at least) since it was intended as a ToysRUs exclusive which caused the set to be produced in lower quantities. Also the Hogwarts express is an essential build to have on the market while the great hall isn't. We already have various castle sets so we can survive without it on the market for a few years. I do hope the list is fake though and I think it might be considering how many sets are supposedly retiring after basically only 1 set being retired before this. I also can't see them retiring the Knight Bus so soon or really most of the sets from the main 2019 wave.
klinton Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Lego-Freak said: Just a heads-up: all of the 2018 sets and most of the 2019 selection will reach EOL by the end of the year, so make sure you get the sets you still want https://www.stonewars.de/news/lego-end-of-life-eol-2020/#lego-harry-potter It's nice to see that the D2C Hogwarts isn't on that list yet. I'm still up in the air about getting that one (I really only want the founders, tbh), so I can put off pulling that trigger for a bit. As to the other sets, like the Great Hall, Quidditch, and the Womping Willow... aren't they simply being pulled from major retailers and becoming Lego Store exclusives, and not 'retired' completely?
lego_guyon02 Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, klinton said: As to the other sets, like the Great Hall, Quidditch, and the Womping Willow... aren't they simply being pulled from major retailers and becoming Lego Store exclusives, and not 'retired' completely? When sets are retired they will no longer be produced. You might still find the sets in stores months after that but they will no longer get restocked by LEGO's factories. 19 minutes ago, MaxHeadroom said: I do hope the list is fake though and I think it might be considering how many sets are supposedly retiring after basically only 1 set being retired before this. I also can't see them retiring the Knight Bus so soon or really most of the sets from the main 2019 wave. The HP sets on that list do actually make a lot of sense: - The 2018 sets have had their run, they can't keep them forever - The Horntail set didn't sell all that well, I think we all know why - The Beauxbatons Carriage is a very niche set, most people who wanted it already have it and the sets are now gathering dust - The graveyard makes sense as the smallest sets are usually the first ones to go, just look at the 2018 Aragog set Haven't really looked into the Knight Bus but afaik it wasn't a particularly strong seller. Edited July 17, 2020 by Guyon2002
klinton Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said: When sets are retired they will no longer be produced. You might still find the sets in stores months after that but they will no longer get restocked by LEGO's factories. No, no. I know that. For some reason I was under the impression that they were going to become Lego Store/S@H exclusives though, like prior to this announcement. Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly. /shrug
Fuppylodders Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: @Fuppylodders Crack on 8 hours ago, Lego-Freak said: That‘s not the point, the point is the scale. The GWP is microscale and can only be turned into a 400$ set if you A) add more buildings in the same scale which would be ludricous because that would include part of London or B) make the buildings larger which by definition changes the scale, so it‘s not microscale anymore. You cannot increase the scale and simultaneously claim it’s still the same scale, that makes absolutely no sense. That‘s what I‘ve been saying for MONTHS now but somehow people keep ignoring it We‘ve been over this before, too That approach would take far too long (at least 6-7 years to get anywhere) and would result in people missing sets since the first couple of sets would long have reached EOL by the time the 4th or 5th one comes out. Moreover, a lot of the shops are too niche as their own sets and are far better suited as parts of a larger set. And do you really want a DA that takes the better half of a decade to complete AND end up with an even larger army of Harrys? Cause they would definitely shove him into every single one of them So, you're telling me the Helicarrier and it's ancillary vehicles/flying crafts are scaled exactly microscale to the nano/microfigures and is the same scale as Hogwarts Castle? Because I can tell you right now it's not, but that's classed as microscale. Your assumption there is very very wrong indeed, for someone that's been saying that for months and months, you should know lego and what the scaling is like, and therefore that microscale is *not an exact scale* but a representation of a very large thing to be tiny and much more affordably made in lego. See the bigger picture. Microscale isn't determined by Harry Potter and the Hogwarts Castle. So yes, you can, because TLG already have changed the scale and called things the same scale. 6-7 years is fine for me and probably many other people. If you miss out, you miss out. Same as any other modular set or ucs vehicle or exclusive or any of the many other things that are one and done. Not everyone is a 'I must has this naow or never!!!' kinda person, and is happy to drop a ton on a set once a year, I probably wouldn't be the only one either. Just because you couldn't wait that long doesn't mean no one else would... . I'd in fact love it. To know that all the main DA buildings were going to be modularised and released, but not know what ones exactly when, or what their take on them will be, or what 2 might be done together...They could very easily do as @Surge said. They could also slap star wars level of tax on it and I'd still get it. And yet it'd still be cheaper than getting all the sets of 2 waves a year. Wouldn't have to be Harry in every set either. Rotate through characters relevant to the shops, and perhaps throw a unique Ron, then a unique hermione, then a unique Harry, then a unique dumbledore, etc... Use your imagination If they did that, sign me up for a solid 10 years of it. If I was to miss the first few, Heck, I'd still buy the rest. Edited July 17, 2020 by Fuppylodders
BrickBob Studpants Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Fuppylodders said: So, you're telling me the Helicarrier and it's ancillary vehicles/flying crafts are scaled exactly microscale to the nano/microfigures and is the same scale as Hogwarts Castle? Because I can tell you right now it's not, but that's classed as microscale. Your assumption there is very very wrong indeed, for someone that's been saying that for months and months, you should know lego and what the scaling is like, and therefore that microscale is *not an exact scale* but a representation of a very large thing to be tiny and much more affordably made in lego. See the bigger picture. Microscale isn't determined by Harry Potter and the Hogwarts Castle. So yes, you can, because TLG already have changed the scale and called things the same scale. Of course the microscale sets aren‘t in exact scale to one another, that‘s not even the case for system-scale sets That wasn‘t the point. What I’m getting at is that the D2C set has to be significantly larger than the GWP set, in fact so large it practically has to be minifig-scale (unless the set includes 20+ buildings). There’s just nothing in between. Or do you suggest they invent a completely new scale for this set that’s too large for nanofigs yet too small for minifigs at the same time and thus not compatible with either of them? What would even be the point of that? People keep saying it’s possible, but I’m not acknowledging that possibility unless someone shows me a MOC worth 400$ in that supposed scale. Doesn’t have to be based on DA, but I’m not willing to maintain that option unless someone can prove it’s possible 20 minutes ago, Fuppylodders said: 6-7 years is fine for me and probably many other people. If you miss out, you miss out. Same as any other modular set or ucs vehicle or exclusive or any of the many other things that are one and done. 6-7 years is awfully optimistic, we don’t even know if this theme survives past 2021
sebastian666 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 I’m normally the first person to support a forum member’s right to share an unpopular idea, but I feel like @Fuppylodders is just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Enough is enough. Can we please just put this conversation to bed already? The $400 Diagon Alley D2C will be minifig scale. We have already seen a leak of an obscure Diagon Alley background character in minifig form, as well as our main character with a play feature face. Besides, we already have a microfig scale Diagon Alley! Maybe @Falconfan1414 can help us out here? Didn’t he mention in his countdown reveal that he had info indicating Diagon Alley would in fact be minifig scale?
Retro Brick Reviews Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Fuppylodders said: So, you're telling me the Helicarrier and it's ancillary vehicles/flying crafts are scaled exactly microscale to the nano/microfigures and is the same scale as Hogwarts Castle? Because I can tell you right now it's not, but that's classed as microscale. Your assumption there is very very wrong indeed, for someone that's been saying that for months and months, you should know lego and what the scaling is like, and therefore that microscale is *not an exact scale* but a representation of a very large thing to be tiny and much more affordably made in lego. See the bigger picture. Microscale isn't determined by Harry Potter and the Hogwarts Castle. So yes, you can, because TLG already have changed the scale and called things the same scale. While it is true that there isn't one single definition of microscale, what is irrefutable is that microscale has an upper bound- that is, a point at which the scale becomes too large to fit with nanofigures. If you look at 40289 (Micro DA), while Gringotts isn't too that point, the other four shops included in the model are at what is essentially the maximum size they can have in terms of exterior and still work with nanofigures. (Just compare a nanofig to the height of one of the doors, and you'll see that it's already larger than the ratio of a minifig to a minifig door.) If they were to increase the size of any of those buildings by even a minor margin, the model would be too large to scale with nanofigures in any realistic way. And, again, the shops in that set averaged around 70 pieces each, and seeing as how nano Hogwarts came with over 6,000 pieces... Using some simple math (and discounting the parts necessary for the cobbled Alley, plus each building now having a small interior as opposed to just GG and WWW), we can see that the set would have to include somewhere in the realm of 70-80 buildings. Even if they managed to add an unprecedented level of detail and over-doubled the average parts-per-building to 200, they'd still have to include around 30 buildings- I think Diagon Alley has maybe a dozen iconic enough for the average HP fan to recognize. And, as @Lego-Freak said, I won't believe this could be the case until I see a microscale moc of DA or something comparable in that scale. Also, seriously dude, we have minifigure leaks. The set isn't going to suck, get over it. As for releasing the Alley 1-2 buildings a year... well, modular buildings are $200 or, in most cases, less (The exception being Assembly Square, but that set is an exception in many ways). The average amount is more around $160-180. This set is $400. There's no way LEGO would release a $400 HP set every year and expect fans to buy it every year. Frankly, that's rather ludicrous. The only way I could see anything of the sort happening is if this set is based strictly on the first couple movies, and they later release (standard retail, not D2C) add-ons for shops that only appear in later films (in other words, WWW). In all seriousness, though, both of these ideas are just as likely as the other, in that they aren't in the slightest.
Modal Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Fuppylodders said: Crack on So, you're telling me the Helicarrier and it's ancillary vehicles/flying crafts are scaled exactly microscale to the nano/microfigures and is the same scale as Hogwarts Castle? Because I can tell you right now it's not, but that's classed as microscale. Your assumption there is very very wrong indeed, for someone that's been saying that for months and months, you should know lego and what the scaling is like, and therefore that microscale is *not an exact scale* but a representation of a very large thing to be tiny and much more affordably made in lego. See the bigger picture. Microscale isn't determined by Harry Potter and the Hogwarts Castle. So yes, you can, because TLG already have changed the scale and called things the same scale. 6-7 years is fine for me and probably many other people. If you miss out, you miss out. Same as any other modular set or ucs vehicle or exclusive or any of the many other things that are one and done. Not everyone is a 'I must has this naow or never!!!' kinda person, and is happy to drop a ton on a set once a year, I probably wouldn't be the only one either. Just because you couldn't wait that long doesn't mean no one else would... . I'd in fact love it. To know that all the main DA buildings were going to be modularised and released, but not know what ones exactly when, or what their take on them will be, or what 2 might be done together...They could very easily do as @Surge said. They could also slap star wars level of tax on it and I'd still get it. And yet it'd still be cheaper than getting all the sets of 2 waves a year. Wouldn't have to be Harry in every set either. Rotate through characters relevant to the shops, and perhaps throw a unique Ron, then a unique hermione, then a unique Harry, then a unique dumbledore, etc... Use your imagination If they did that, sign me up for a solid 10 years of it. If I was to miss the first few, Heck, I'd still buy the rest. Thank god you aren't in charge at TLG, I can only speak for myself but I prefer what they are doing much much more.
Surge Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: As for releasing the Alley 1-2 buildings a year... well, modular buildings are $200 or, in most cases, less (The exception being Assembly Square, but that set is an exception in many ways). The average amount is more around $160-180. This set is $400. There's no way LEGO would release a $400 HP set every year and expect fans to buy it every year. Frankly, that's rather ludicrous. The only way I could see anything of the sort happening is if this set is based strictly on the first couple movies, and they later release (standard retail, not D2C) add-ons for shops that only appear in later films (in other words, WWW). In all seriousness, though, both of these ideas are just as likely as the other, in that they aren't in the slightest. I think it would make sense for this one to be so expensive if it included gringotts. But I do agree it would be ridiculous to expect people to pay $400 a year on top of the price of the regular wave.
Holden Brickfield Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 If I could just put in my two cents real quick—putting the logistics of a $400 microscale DA set aside, I think we should also consider the set’s, for lack of a better word, sell-ability. I know at least most of us were really taken aback when the last D2C was microscale, but I think it made a lot of sense to do Hogwarts at that scale, as any bigger in scale and you wouldn’t have the whole iconic front view of the castle without it being ridiculously expensive. Hogwarts, to say the least, is extremely iconic. Diagon Alley? Not nearly as iconic, so it wouldn’t be enough to sell it at the same price as the Hogwarts model while also being microscale, so it would need something extra—minifigure compatibility, which it wouldn’t be able to achieve at microscale. These are just my thoughts. I’m prepared to eat my words if it, somehow, by some painful twist of fate, ends up being microscale, but I’m feeling pretty confident in my conclusion
Surge Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 is legofan_33 a trusted source? he posted something on Instagram 2 hours ago and some of the buildings were marked, however they were only the most important ones (and the ice cream parlor) so it could just be a guess.
Roebuck Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Lego-Freak said: People keep saying it’s possible, but I’m not acknowledging that possibility unless someone shows me a MOC worth 400$ in that supposed scale. Doesn’t have to be based on DA, but I’m not willing to maintain that option unless someone can prove it’s possible You need a bigger imagination, this is Lego everything is possible 6 hours ago, Lego-Freak said: 6-7 years is awfully optimistic, we don’t even know if this theme survives past 2021 The only thing that is certain is that as long as the theme sells enough it will stay in production, just look at SW and Hidden side. SW has been around for over 20 years strait with a crazy amount of sets every year and mostly it is the same sets over and over again in different sizes. HS on the other hand, a theme Lego have probably invested a lot of money and recurses in is apparently axed now because it do not sell enough 2 hours ago, sebastian666 said: Didn’t he mention in his countdown reveal that he had info indicating Diagon Alley would in fact be minifig scale? So far almost everything is indicating that it will be system scale, but no facts has been presented yet... 2 hours ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: As for releasing the Alley 1-2 buildings a year... well, modular buildings are $200 or, in most cases, less (The exception being Assembly Square, but that set is an exception in many ways). The average amount is more around $160-180. This set is $400. There's no way LEGO would release a $400 HP set every year and expect fans to buy it every year. Frankly, that's rather ludicrous. The only way I could see anything of the sort happening is if this set is based strictly on the first couple movies, and they later release (standard retail, not D2C) add-ons for shops that only appear in later films (in other words, WWW). In all seriousness, though, both of these ideas are just as likely as the other, in that they aren't in the slightest. The discussion as far as I understand it is not that we get a $400 D2C this year and add ons in the coming years, but if DA take the same route as Hogwarts. So say the D2C is nanoscale or not happening, would people buy a annual set from DA that include 1-2 shops and is similar to a modular or a winter village set. My opinion is that they most certainly will as long as it is good enough people will buy anything, just look at ninjago city how many people that have no interest in ninjago bought that set. HP on the other hand have a lot of fans that would love a annual set from DA they could collect just like with Howarts. However if they give us the DA now in system scale (like they most likely will) there is probably no need for any DA set for many years (depending what is included)
Bowtruckle44 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, Surge said: is legofan_33 a trusted source? he posted something on Instagram 2 hours ago and some of the buildings were marked, however they were only the most important ones (and the ice cream parlor) so it could just be a guess. They're rather hit or miss. They've been right about some things, but their latest HP news they reported was either incorrect, or impossible to currently disprove. So with that in mind, proceed with caution with this guy, as it's all heads or tails at this point
sammy_zammy Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Guyon2002 said: Haven't really looked into the Knight Bus but afaik it wasn't a particularly strong seller. Looking at Amazon UK reviews, which is often a decent indicator of obviously not a perfect one: Hagrid’s Hut: 1222 reviews Knight Bus: 2663 reviews Clock Tower: 1328 reviews Hungarian Horntail: 762 reviews Beauxbatons Carriage: 540 reviews Rise of Voldemort: 1095 reviews Expecto Patronum: 1050 reviews So I strongly disagree... it looks like it’s the best selling set. And I can see why as it’s probably the most iconic for people who aren’t massive HP fans. Of course, it’s not a perfect indication but is certainly a decent one. Exactly the same result on Amazon DE, FR, and probably more I didn’t look at (although the numbers are suspiciously similar so I guess some of them are shared between countries). Roughly double the reviews of the others. Also one of the first predictive results when searching “Lego Harry Potter”. ——— @sebastian666 well said. There’s nothing wrong with providing counter arguments but it gets extremely tiresome when it’s clearly a wrong argument. At this rate the thread will get locked for the millionth time. @Fuppylodders please, you just need to let it go. It’s okay to agree to disagree. You don’t need to blindly argue your case without thinking it through. If we’re all wrong and you’re right, then we’ll all owe you an apology (although maybe not as again, we’re entitled to an opinion). But it’s getting tedious you arguing back at everything someone says that disagrees with you. The set would also suck and probably barely any of us would buy it but hey ho. Edited July 18, 2020 by sammy_zammy
BrickBob Studpants Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 46 minutes ago, Roebuck said: You need a bigger imagination, this is Lego everything is possible Everything, huh? How about a 400$ microscale Millennium Falcon? I’m waiting 1 hour ago, Surge said: is legofan_33 a trusted source? he posted something on Instagram 2 hours ago and some of the buildings were marked, however they were only the most important ones (and the ice cream parlor) so it could just be a guess. As @Bowtruckle44 has pointed out, they don’t have the best track record right now, so this can be savely dismissed
Roebuck Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said: Everything, huh? How about a 400$ microscale Millennium Falcon? I’m waiting Be careful what you wish for Regarding sales of the different sets, it was really unfortunate that the inside tours where cancelled this year. We would have a decent chance to find out what was the 10 top selling sets in 2019, would be really interesting to know if any HP sets where among them
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