Accio Lego Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, sammy_zammy said: ——— @sebastian666 well said. There’s nothing wrong with providing counter arguments but it gets extremely tiresome when it’s clearly a wrong argument. At this rate the thread will get locked for the millionth time. @Fuppylodders please, you just need to let it go. It’s okay to agree to disagree. You don’t need to blindly argue your case without thinking it through. If we’re all wrong and you’re right, then we’ll all owe you an apology (although maybe not as again, we’re entitled to an opinion). But it’s getting tedious you arguing back at everything someone says that disagrees with you. The set would also suck and probably barely any of us would buy it but hey ho. This basically sums up what needs to be said about the system scale vs. microscale Diagon Alley argument right now. It’s gotten to the point where the same points are just being brought up over and over again. Nobody seems inclined to change their opinions and it’s reached a stage where everyone involved needs to agree to disagree and let the matter drop until the official announcement, or we’re going to end up with the thread locked again when there’s a high chance of more minifigure leaks or official pictures of the advent calendar or CMF could drop any day now.
lego_guyon02 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: Also, seriously dude, we have minifigure leaks. The set isn't going to suck, get over it. I'd be very carefull with this statement if I where you as minifigures aren't always representive of wether or not a set is good. As a massive Jurassic fan I was incredibly hyped for last years Jurassic Park D2C, especially when those 4 amazing figures leaked. But whaddya know? The set was revealed and turned out to be one of the worst D2Cs ever released 1 hour ago, sammy_zammy said: So I strongly disagree... it looks like it’s the best selling set. And I can see why as it’s probably the most iconic for people who aren’t massive HP fans. Of course, it’s not a perfect indication but is certainly a decent one. Exactly the same result on Amazon DE, FR, and probably more I didn’t look at (although the numbers are suspiciously similar so I guess some of them are shared between countries). Roughly double the reviews of the others. Also one of the first predictive results when searching “Lego Harry Potter”. Like I said I didn't actually look into how well the Knight Bus sold but thanks for the correction anyway. I do think it's a bit weird to discontinue it this year though, especially with Diagon Alley coming out. As soon as we heard the KB would be a set last year I planned on skipping it, the only reason I am even slightly thinking about buying it is DA
Retro Brick Reviews Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Surge said: is legofan_33 a trusted source? he posted something on Instagram 2 hours ago and some of the buildings were marked, however they were only the most important ones (and the ice cream parlor) so it could just be a guess. Nope. He's been right about a few things in other things that occurred a few hours before reveal, but all of his HP info has either been wrong or gone unproved/undisproved. I'd take this info with a severe grain of salt until they reveal the Advent Calendar, which will reveal whether he is a "complete fraud" or a "potentially good source." 4 hours ago, Guyon2002 said: I'd be very carefull with this statement if I where you as minifigures aren't always representive of wether or not a set is good. As a massive Jurassic fan I was incredibly hyped for last years Jurassic Park D2C, especially when those 4 amazing figures leaked. But whaddya know? The set was revealed and turned out to be one of the worst D2Cs ever released Let me rephrase: Of course minifigures aren't the single determining factor in whether or not a set is good... but I think LEGO'd be hard-pressed to screw up a minifigure-scale Diagon Alley. It could happen, but I have yet to think up a way in which they could goof it entirely.
Balrogofmorgoth Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 The microscale GWP Diagon Alley is a very nice little display set. It would be ludicrous to release another, different, micro scale Diagon Alley. It’s been done, another version two years later priced at $400 would just be stupid. Nothing but system scale makes any sense at all. Of course Lego has surprised us all before with ridiculous things, but this would just be so dumb for them to do. (Yes I called the idea dumb, take that Jurassic World thread). 40 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: Nope. He's been right about a few things in other things that occurred a few hours before reveal, but all of his HP info has either been wrong or gone unproved/undisproved. I'd take this info with a severe grain of salt until they reveal the Advent Calendar, which will reveal whether he is a "complete fraud" or a "potentially good source." Why, is he the one that gave us the minifigure count for the calendar?
Retro Brick Reviews Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said: The microscale GWP Diagon Alley is a very nice little display set. It would be ludicrous to release another, different, micro scale Diagon Alley. It’s been done, another version two years later priced at $400 would just be stupid. Nothing but system scale makes any sense at all. Of course Lego has surprised us all before with ridiculous things, but this would just be so dumb for them to do. (Yes I called the idea dumb, take that Jurassic World thread). Why, is he the one that gave us the minifigure count for the calendar? He's the one that set it'll come with both Patil twins and Krum. This isn't exactly the hardest thing to predict (same with which shops could be included in DA), so I still wouldn't blindly follow his info if he's right, but if he's wrong we'll all know he's another faker. (He'd previously posted that the CMF would be revealed before the visual dictionary came out, and that was obviously false.)
lego_guyon02 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said: (Yes I called the idea dumb, take that Jurassic World thread). And 1 hour later the exact same useless discussion starts in this thread
Balrogofmorgoth Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 Just now, Guyon2002 said: And 1 hour later the exact same useless discussion starts in this thread I couldn’t resist lol
Falconfan1414 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 I wonder just how far out the reveal is then if they have started to tease it
sebastian666 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Falconfan1414 said: I wonder just how far out the reveal is then if they have started to tease it @Falconfan1414 could you help us put this debate over minifig scale vs microscale to bed? Didn’t you say in your countdown reveal confirming the $400 D2C Diagon Alley that you had info indicating that the set would be minifig scale?
Fuppylodders Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Lego-Freak said: Of course the microscale sets aren‘t in exact scale to one another, that‘s not even the case for system-scale sets That wasn‘t the point. What I’m getting at is that the D2C set has to be significantly larger than the GWP set, in fact so large it practically has to be minifig-scale (unless the set includes 20+ buildings). There’s just nothing in between. Or do you suggest they invent a completely new scale for this set that’s too large for nanofigs yet too small for minifigs at the same time and thus not compatible with either of them? What would even be the point of that? People keep saying it’s possible, but I’m not acknowledging that possibility unless someone shows me a MOC worth 400$ in that supposed scale. Doesn’t have to be based on DA, but I’m not willing to maintain that option unless someone can prove it’s possible 6-7 years is awfully optimistic, we don’t even know if this theme survives past 2021 I totally agree, a straight forward copy + more shops for the other side of current GWP DA just wouldn't cut it for the price, piece count. Am in total agreeance there. As for minifigure scale, taking assembly square as a good example of the size of a decent set of buildings can look for 4k pieces, we won't be getting too much of a DA, but likely enough quality and decent build in whatever we do get that's its enough. I totally agree on your last statement 11 hours ago, sebastian666 said: I’m normally the first person to support a forum member’s right to share an unpopular idea, but I feel like @Fuppylodders is just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Enough is enough. ............ Maybe @Falconfan1414 can help us out here?.............. No, I'm not being argumentative just for the sake of it. I'm just not freely going with people's conjecture and assumptions until something more factually solid is shown to entirely disprove it. And as it stands, people are currently throwing forward reasons as 'facts' when it's just their own conjecture, regardless if it makes sense or not. Because lego do have a habit of doing things that don't make sense now and then. And I'm hoping this is one thing they stick with sense on. I'd absolutely love it to be minifig scale. I really do. But seeing as how the Nintendo licence currently blew away the minifig for something entirely new, I'm reserving my judgement until a substantiated rumour/leak can be provided to put my mind at ease/rest and accept that there is *no question* it is minifig scale. 11 hours ago, Retro Brick Reviews said: ***While it is true that there isn't one single definition of microscale, what is irrefutable is that microscale has an upper bound- that is, a point at which the scale becomes too large to fit with nanofigures. If you look at 40289 (Micro DA), while Gringotts isn't too that point, the other four shops included in the model are at what is essentially the maximum size they can have in terms of exterior and still work with nanofigures. (Just compare a nanofig to the height of one of the doors, and you'll see that it's already larger than the ratio of a minifig to a minifig door.) If they were to increase the size of any of those buildings by even a minor margin, the model would be too large to scale with nanofigures in any realistic way. And, again, the shops in that set averaged around 70 pieces each, and seeing as how nano Hogwarts came with over 6,000 pieces... Using some simple math (and discounting the parts necessary for the cobbled Alley, plus each building now having a small interior as opposed to just GG and WWW), we can see that the set would have to include somewhere in the realm of 70-80 buildings. Even if they managed to add an unprecedented level of detail and over-doubled the average parts-per-building to 200, they'd still have to include around 30 buildings- I think Diagon Alley has maybe a dozen iconic enough for the average HP fan to recognize. And, as @Lego-Freak said, I won't believe this could be the case until I see a microscale moc of DA or something comparable in that scale. *** Also, seriously dude, we have minifigure leaks. The set isn't going to suck, get over it. As for releasing the Alley 1-2 buildings a year... well, modular buildings are $200 or, in most cases, less (The exception being Assembly Square, but that set is an exception in many ways). The average amount is more around $160-180. This set is $400. There's no way LEGO would release a $400 HP set every year and expect fans to buy it every year. Frankly, that's rather ludicrous. The only way I could see anything of the sort happening is if this set is based strictly on the first couple movies, and they later release (standard retail, not D2C) add-ons for shops that only appear in later films (in other words, WWW). In all seriousness, though, both of these ideas are just as likely as the other, in that they aren't in the slightest. Regarding the comments in the asterisks, I fully understand that view, agree with it for the most part. But as a similar, shall I say, balancing point of view, as I said above, using assembly square, we know the rough size if we are to get enclosed buildings. If not, it could well be a load of open backed half buildings to create the left and right sides. It's the only way I see a minifig scale DA that isn't just gringotts and 2 (maaayyyyybe 3 or 4 other smaller buildings ). But I'd be cool with that! As for your middle statement, I never said it would suck, or how minifigs determine if a set will suck or not. I don't know why you even felt the need for that statement? And finally, I never said about releasing a $400 HP DA set each year. The current one has a massive amount of pieces. My *suggestion/idea* (because I already know its not going to happen) was to release a shop or double shop each year. A shop or so, isn't going to cost $400. Of course no one would want to basically sign up to that each year! I might have some crazy or absurd ideas/wants, but damn, I do actually have *some* sense (me not blindly accepting microscale isn't happening doesn't prove I have no sense either, it just proves I'm perhaps being over cautious about what I believe). 11 hours ago, Modal said: Thank god you aren't in charge at TLG, I can only speak for myself but I prefer what they are doing much much more. We're all different and have different opinions. You got yours, I got mine, neither are correct. but I will also be happy with what they are currently doing. 7 hours ago, sammy_zammy said: @sebastian666 well said. There’s nothing wrong with providing counter arguments but it gets extremely tiresome when it’s clearly a wrong argument. At this rate the thread will get locked for the millionth time. @Fuppylodders please, you just need to let it go. It’s okay to agree to disagree. You don’t need to blindly argue your case without thinking it through. If we’re all wrong and you’re right, then we’ll all owe you an apology (although maybe not as again, we’re entitled to an opinion). But it’s getting tedious you arguing back at everything someone says that disagrees with you. The set would also suck and probably barely any of us would buy it but hey ho. Absolutely nothing so far 100% solidly confirms its minifig scale. I'm sorry I'm a bit more hesitant to blindly accept conjecture, even if it makes sense, because TLG have a habit of sometimes blowing that sense out of the water and destroying expectations. This thread is full of people's wants and desires and a metric crap ton of conjecture, pointless conversations not really to do with Harry Potter lego sets we are getting/might be getting, and yet you coming down on me simply because I'm on topic and constructively debating conjecture being put forward as irrefutable? Please......... I'm not blindly arguing without thinking it through. If its OK to agree to disagree, then don't reply. Simple. I'm not getting aggy over it, all I've done is simply state counter points for what people are putting forward as irrefutable evidence, when, it is refutable, no matter how much 'sense' it makes, because TLG doesn't *always* go with what makes sense. I won't want an apology, I won't be giving any 'I told you so' s', I won't get an ounce of happiness or satisfaction from being proven right. Heck, I'm not even arguing that it *will* be microscale, just that it can't be irrefutablly *dismissed* just yet with what we *know*. But what I will be/do, is be hugely disappointed and as upset as any one of you who are happy at this point in time accepting it is minifig scale, as *that* is what I want it to be too!! I'm not arguing back at everything someone says that disagrees with me, as above, I'm constructively debating their points with my own. So far, there have been many different points put forward, and have enjoyed countering the different points. I do not intend to constantly repeat over the same points as I've already said my piece on certain points that I fully know it is pointless and unnecessary to repeat myself. But my posts are very much on topic, not heated, not name calling, not getting aggressive towards, I'm simply countering certain points. If you don't like it, move on, or feel free to report me and a mod shall intervene in a manner that he/she/they see fit to do so. I don't know much about HP, I just enjoyed watching the films. I think so far, TLG have done a great job with the sets, especially the recent waves. I don't post much because there's plenty of people already giving the same thoughts on it all that for me to do the same, adds nothing but another post for someone to scroll past. What I do enjoy, is seeing the build up of a rumour and the tiny tidbits of info being leaked, and things coming together to form a general consensus on what the set/s may be like, and how people piece these bits of info together. I like how people come to certain conclusions, and sometimes am sad that it turned out to be wrong given how much everything so far pointed to it. I'm happy when people get things right (although typically dislike the 'called it!' posts...). I'm an overthinker, bored with seeing the same posts over and over, but enjoy a good discussion and exploring every 'possible' avenue of something no matter how much sense it might not make. Hopefully, that gives you an insight into my debate about this... And to try and show you I'm not being an argumentative bellend for the sake of it, I fully agree with your last statement! I would not buy it either! *edit* But seeing as how people seem to be getting offended/tired of it, I'll drop it. Say what you like, I'll just shut it. Silencing people because you dont like what they say seems to be a thing nowadays Edited July 18, 2020 by Fuppylodders
7982Brick2 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 I just hope we get Hermione disguised as Bellatrix in Diagon Alley. It could give us a proper printed dress piece for Bellatrix. As for the shops, I really want WWW, Ollivander and Gringotts everything else would be icing on the cake.
Holden Brickfield Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, Fuppylodders said: But my posts are very much on topic, not heated, not name calling, not getting aggressive towards, I'm simply countering certain points. ^^this. It sometimes feels like it’s so easy for discussion on here to devolve into name-calling and all that, so I appreciate the level-headedness through this debate, even if some people seem to have gotten a bit tired going through it. I think you’ve made your point quite clear at this point, and even though I think it’s probably just best to drop the topic from here and wait for the official announcement (which may or may not be super soon given the VIP teaser above), I appreciate you coming forth and offering your perspective
Brickity Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 It’s incredible we still have 3 reveals left the HP minifigure count since 2018 will be huuge once the last set is revealed.
Roebuck Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, Fuppylodders said: Snip I for one agree with most of your points 54 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said: We just got our very first teaser for DA: WHAT We may even get a reveal of the D2C before the CMF and even the AC, before August is my guess I wonder if Marcos Bessa is the designer or just do the talking as team leader (40-60 I would say)..
mark1991t Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 Just now, Roebuck said: I wonder if Marcos Bessa is the designer Could be. For 2020 he only did the Hogwarts Students Pack (for what we know now), however last year he did Expecto Patronum, The Knight Bus, Beauxbatons' Carriage: Arrival and the AC. According to his own website.
BrickBob Studpants Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 @Fuppylodders: thank you for elaborating on your point of view I agree that most of the arguments for either position are mostly conjecture at the moment. When it comes to the conclusions we draw from the info we have, we probably have to agree to disagree 1 minute ago, Roebuck said: I wonder if Marcos Bessa is the designer or just do the talking as team leader (40-60 I would say).. That’s what I’m wondering about as well. I thought he didn’t have much time for actual set designing anymore after his promotion, but maybe this is an exception And if he’s not the designer, why wouldn’t the actual designer be available for the Q&A?
Brickity Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, 7982Brick2 said: I just hope we get Hermione disguised as Bellatrix in Diagon Alley. It could give us a proper printed dress piece for Bellatrix. It would be refreshing to get a “darker” Hermione variant with different face prints. And it would be Bellatrix’s third outfit. I personally hope for a Narcissa and Lucius this year.
BrickBob Studpants Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, mark1991t said: Could be. For 2020 he only did the Hogwarts Students Pack (for what we know now), however last year he did Expecto Patronum, The Knight Bus, Beauxbatons' Carriage: Arrival and the AC. According to his own website. That’s interesting, I thought he once said he didn’t have as much time anymore for set designing as before, but apparently he’s still very actively involved I’d be very glad if he was the designer as I’m a huge fan of the sets he designed, particularly the Ewok Village, the Simpsons House, the Disney Castle and the Ghostbusters HQ. Alternatively, I’d also be very happy if it was designed by Justin Ramsden. His body of work includes some favourites as well (Hogwarts, The Upside Down and Apocalypseburg). Or better yet, a collaboration between the two Edit: I’ve just thought of something: could there be VIP early access for this set? That would explain the VIP-exclusivity of the Q&A as well as the surprisingly early teaser Edited July 18, 2020 by Lego-Freak
lego_guyon02 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said: That’s interesting, I thought he once said he didn’t have as much time anymore for set designing as before, but apparently he’s still very actively involved I’d be very glad if he was the designer as I’m a huge fan of the sets he designed, particularly the Ewok Village, the Simpsons House, the Disney Castle and the Ghostbusters HQ. Alternatively, I’d also be very happy if it was designed by Justin Ramsden. His body of work includes some favourites as well (Hogwarts, The Upside Down and Apocalypseburg). Or better yet, a collaboration between the two I definetely agree with this, Marcos Bessa and Justin Ramsden are definetely in my top 3 designers! Edited July 18, 2020 by Guyon2002
Roebuck Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said: And if he’s not the designer, why wouldn’t the actual designer be available for the Q&A? Some designers do not like the publicity, maybe they do not speak English very well It could be a number of reasons why a team leader would do it and I know Jamie Berard has done it several times. A team leader can answer most of the questions in the same way as the actual designer and it is probably part of their job description..Harry Potter designers this year: Marcos Bessa, James Stephenson, Justin Ramsden, Wes Talbott, Lorraine Faure and Casper Glahder, so I assume it is one of them at least
Accio Lego Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Guyon2002 said: We just got our very first teaser for DA: 1 hour ago, Falconfan1414 said: I wonder just how far out the reveal is then if they have started to tease it The time period to submit questions is just today, but they’ve probably given themselves a much longer grace period to go through to questions and choose which ones they’re going to answer. With less than two weeks left in July we could easily only see the results of this in August or, alternatively, this is well timed for a July 31st announcement to coincide with Harry’s birthday. Keep in mind though, that the CMF also needs to be revealed (with a graphic designer involved I could see it going either way, both Diagon Alley and a CMF would involve a decent precent of graphic design). We might even see both revealed at once if they’re doing something bigger like this for it.
lego_guyon02 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 Just now, Accio Lego said: Keep in mind though, that the CMF also needs to be revealed (with a graphic designer involved I could see it going either way, both Diagon Alley and a CMF would involve a decent precent of graphic design). We might even see both revealed at once if they’re doing something bigger like this for it. If the CMF releases on August 7th (I know many don't think it's happening but given Brickshops past I choose to give them the benefit of the doubt) it should be revealed next week at the latest. That would leave more than enough room for the D2C to get it's own seperate reveal. I think the 3 main reveals we'll get in the coming 3 weeks will be for the HP CMF, Diagon Alley and an Ideas set.
sebastian666 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said: I’d be very glad if he was the designer as I’m a huge fan of the sets he designed, particularly the Ewok Village, the Simpsons House, the Disney Castle and the Ghostbusters HQ. Marcos Bessa is hands down my favorite LEGO designer of all time. In addition to the sets you’ve listed, I think his Expecto Patronum will go down in history as one of the best small sets ever designed. I’ve had the pleasure of exchanging a few DMs with Marcos on Instagram, and he is also just the sweetest, nicest guy. We will be very fortunate if he is the design lead on the D2C Diagon Alley set. He genuinely loves Harry Potter and will definitely do Diagon Alley justice. Any word from @Falconfan1414 on the minifig vs microscale debate? Is it just me or does anyone else remember his countdown reveal confirming the $400 D2C Diagon Alley in which he said he had info indicating the set was minifig scale?
BrickBob Studpants Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Roebuck said: Some designers do not like the publicity, maybe they do not speak English very well Could be, but I can't think of a single instance where a set's designer didn't present it themselves in the designer video I realise not everyone is equally comfortable in front of a camera (I know I wouldn't be if I was in that position), but to me, that's a big part of the charm of these videos. They're not manufactured corporate PR monstrosities, they feel very genuine and down to earth. And some of them are genuinely hilarious, like the fake 80's TV show thing they did for The Upside Down or the video for this year's Haunted House set with Carl Merriam cosplaying as Baron von Barron I hope the designer video will be on the same level as these two
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