7982Brick2 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 Just because the stickers, some figures, and set descriptions leaks doesn’t mean that every LEGO/ Harry Potter fan is aware of Diagon Alley. Even if the consumers do learn about Diagon a Alley doesn’t meant that LEGO will lose sales cause of these leaks. In fact, any leaks are good publicity cause it raises hype and speculation of the set. I mean ever since we gotten those leaks a lot of people have been taking about the set. It would be nice for LEGO to listen to consumers but LEGO hasn’t gotten to that point where they need input on products. They still seem to be doing great despite the “millions” that they have lost.
YetiZombie Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Modal said: To be fair, he did make the point that many people who can’t afford the DA set still want a piece of it, so Lego is actually helping out the “consumer”. We here are a different breed than the average Lego consumer. Fair enough, but if this was really the case they could've included Gringotts and also made a standalone set (like the Great Hall vs the D2C Hogwarts).
GoldenNinja3000 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Modal said: You make it sound as if you need to explain to us measly kids how accessibility increases sales no one disagrees with you. You can understand the reasoning behind it and not want it not to be true for personal reasons. Most people here couldn’t care less about how much money Lego makes by strategizing their release line up. They just want Diagon Alley Exactly. Absolutely no one is denying that LEGO stands to make more money by selling Gringotts as a standalone set. What we’re saying is that we don’t like how there’s a $400 set coming out with most of the Alley, and then customers who will purchase the $400 set and the inevitable Gringotts set (like myself) have to wait an entire year to complete their Diagon Alley. This would make a lot more sense if they released alongside each other in the same season instead of a year apart, and we don’t even know for sure that a Gringotts set is coming even though it’s a likely possibility, and it’s not like LEGO will say “if you want to complete your Alley, look out for the $100 Gringotts set coming summer 2021”. I stopped by my local LEGO Store today to pick up the Iron Man mosaic, and the employee told me that he’s not sure when CMF Series 2 will release. He said to expect it on either August 24th or September 1st.
Modal Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, YetiZombie said: Fair enough, but if this was really the case they could've included Gringotts and also made a standalone set (like the Great Hall vs the D2C Hogwarts). Also a good point! I think this debate will be more productive once we have all the details. I do sincerely enjoy having debates like this though. People having strong enough opinions to make their case is always a fun exercise.
GoldenNinja3000 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, YetiZombie said: Fair enough, but if this was really the case they could've included Gringotts and also made a standalone set (like the Great Hall vs the D2C Hogwarts). I feel like that would be a waste of space in the D2C since both sets would be minifigure scale, but they could’ve just released Gringotts this year or done Diagon Alley next year.
YetiZombie Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Modal said: Also a good point! I think this debate will be more productive once we have all the details. I do sincerely enjoy having debates like this though. People having strong enough opinions to make their case is always a fun exercise. Yep, I enjoy it too! As long as there's no condescension ?
Zepthire Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoldenNinja3000 said: I feel like that would be a waste of space in the D2C since both sets would be minifigure scale, but they could’ve just released Gringotts this year or done Diagon Alley next year. I do feel like not having Gringotts as part of the wave that's already out feels like a misstep but I feel like it's one of the more likely DH sets to get made anyway.
MooneyRemus Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 I’m sorry if it’s considered beating a dead horse, but we don’t actually know with 100% certainty Gringotts will or will not be included in DA, right? All we have to go on, is the lack of stickers and the supposed set description. There’s more of a discussion to be had if we get indisputable information on its in- or exclusion in DA??♀️
GoldenNinja3000 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Zepthire said: I do feel like not having Gringotts as part of the wave that's already out feels like a misstep but I feel like it's one of the more likely DH sets to get made anyway. Yeah, I’m sure it’ll be made (I previously assumed as the interior dragon escape scene but given its absence from DA it’ll probably be the exterior too), but it’s just going to be annoying for a year because A) LEGO won’t confirm it this far in advance, and B) when it does release, there’s no guarantee that it’ll have the same amount of detail as the rest of the buildings in the D2C. Just now, MooneyRemus said: I’m sorry if it’s considered beating a dead horse, but we don’t actually know with 100% certainty Gringotts will or will not be included in DA, right? All we have to go on, is the lack of stickers and the supposed set description. There’s more of a discussion to be had if we get indisputable information on its in- or exclusion in DA??♀️ Well, if it was in the set it would be mentioned in the description as every other shop was called out by name.
sebastian666 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) There was no condescension intended but I apologize if anyone took it that way - @Modal @YetiZombie @GoldenNinja3000 My point was that we have had at least two dozen pages of debate with folks explaining why not including one of the iconic buildings in the D2C Diagon Alley was a “dumb business decision” - When in fact it was a very smart business decision that takes more of LEGO’s target audience (kids) into account. Most kids can’t afford a $400 set. This strategy allows a wider audience of kids to have a piece of the magic. It also increases the value of the D2C for those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to afford both the $400 set and a $100 set. 50 minutes ago, MooneyRemus said: I’m sorry if it’s considered beating a dead horse, but we don’t actually know with 100% certainty Gringotts will or will not be included in DA, right? All we have to go on, is the lack of stickers and the supposed set description. There’s more of a discussion to be had if we get indisputable information on its in- or exclusion in DA??♀️ It’s not going to be included. Sorry, mate. Edited August 14, 2020 by sebastian666
Modal Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MooneyRemus said: I’m sorry if it’s considered beating a dead horse, but we don’t actually know with 100% certainty Gringotts will or will not be included in DA, right? All we have to go on, is the lack of stickers and the supposed set description. There’s more of a discussion to be had if we get indisputable information on its in- or exclusion in DA??♀️ That’s true, though with the description basically being confirmed as real, I think that is pretty damning evidence of no Gringotts, especially as it goes out of its way to explain how you could use every building. But I agree, the discussion feels a little premature without all the answers Edited August 14, 2020 by Modal
lego_guyon02 Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, MooneyRemus said: I’m sorry if it’s considered beating a dead horse, but we don’t actually know with 100% certainty Gringotts will or will not be included in DA, right? All we have to go on, is the lack of stickers and the supposed set description. There’s more of a discussion to be had if we get indisputable information on its in- or exclusion in DA??♀️ The description came directly from LEGO themselves so no, Gringotts will not be included in the D2C.
autolycus Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 With no announcement today, we have all but guaranteed this thread will get to 550 pages before DA is revealed.
PGBQW Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, autolycus said: With no announcement today, we have all but guaranteed this thread will get to 550 pages before DA is revealed. My bet is on 555
Holden Brickfield Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 Dunno if anyone else noticed this, but earlier today some LEGO news outlets (The Brick Fan and Brick Fanatics were the two I saw) covered that the description of DA leaked on the LEGO Shop website, so the reveal should be pretty soon right? I feel like LEGO wouldn’t have let them cover it (if they’re Recognized Fan Media of course) if the announcement wasn’t super soon. Just something to note
2lazeetomakeaname Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 If the reveal is during a QnA stream and not a press release then i think it could actually be revealed during the weekend
MaxHeadroom Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, sebastian666 said: When in fact it was a very smart business decision that takes more of LEGO’s target audience (kids) into account. Most kids can’t afford a $400 set. This strategy allows a wider audience of kids to have a piece of the magic. It also increases the value of the D2C set for those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to afford it. If LEGO really cared about kids they would've released all of the DA as smaller, more affordable chunks like many have suggested. I think main reason some people are annoyed by Gringotts' exclusion is that Gringotts is (for many) an essential part of Diagon alley. Not only is it the first shop Harry goes to, but it is visually the end of the alley. When looking down the alley Gringotts is the conclusion. A single DA building works as a standalone set because the viewer's eye is drawn up the piece. A meter of DA buildings becomes too dense to observe vertically so the viewer will look at the set horizontally. Gringotts is a satisfying conclusion to viewing the DA because it is more unique and stands out among the other buildings (plus Gringotts being taller and having pillars leads the viewer's eye upwards, a feature Universal used well by including a dragon at the top of the building.) Ollivanders is not a very exciting or visually striking endpoint so the viewing experience of the set just ends (a real road to nowhere). I think LEGO is attempting to rectify this by including WWW which is unique and has a large face which typically draws the eye. WWW is a decent conclusion to the set but it isn't as satisfying as Gringotts because in universe WWW isn't the end of the alley. Excluding Gringotts may be a good business decision but it is not a good design decision. Edited August 14, 2020 by MaxHeadroom
Accio Lego Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, MaxHeadroom said: Excluding Gringotts may be a good business decision but it is not a good design decision. I think we need to wait to make that judgment until we actually see the design in question. Kind of ridiculous to say “this looks awful” when nobody here knows what it looks like
Holden Brickfield Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, MaxHeadroom said: Excluding Gringotts may be a good business decision but it is not a good design decision. I feel there are a multitude of reasons why Gringotts isn’t in the set, not just one specific reason. I’m sure when they started conceptualizing the DA set they wanted to include Gringotts, but eventually decided they wouldn’t be able to do as much justice to the building as they’d want to, given the constraints of the $400 price point. Even if it ends up meaning the final DA model doesn’t look as good as it could’ve with Gringotts at the end, I’d like to think doing justice to the street, across more than one set if necessary, was at the forefront of their minds. Would I have personally wanted Gringotts included? Right now, of course, but that’s partly because I haven’t seen the finished product yet. If it looks amazing even without Gringotts, would I have necessarily been willing to sacrifice some of the parts put into the individual shops, in order to have the bank there as well? I don’t know, but the only way I’ll know for sure is when the set is finally revealed, and judge for myself then And just as I was typing this out, @Accio Lego touched on what I was saying Edited August 15, 2020 by Holden Brickfield
Terrasher Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 40 minutes ago, 2lazeetomakeaname said: If the reveal is during a QnA stream and not a press release then i think it could actually be revealed during the weekend Wouldn't TLG do some sort of announcement the day(s) prior as a "join us on X date for a Q&A stream"?
BrickBob Studpants Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 2 hours ago, GoldenNinja3000 said: Yeah, I’m sure it’ll be made (I previously assumed as the interior dragon escape scene but given its absence from DA it’ll probably be the exterior too), but it’s just going to be annoying for a year because A) LEGO won’t confirm it this far in advance [...] That‘s also bothers me the most about its exclusion. We have to wait at least until February to find out if they‘re going to release Gringotts next summer and at what price point
2lazeetomakeaname Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said: That‘s also bothers me the most about its exclusion. We have to wait at least until February to find out if they‘re going to release Gringotts next summer and at what price point Actually probably later than February. With the way we're headed right now, i doubt they will hold toy fairs next year
Falconfan1414 Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 I see no way they randomly drop the q and a with reveal of diagon alley. With how big of a set this is, they will drop something previewing the q and a with a special reveal
2lazeetomakeaname Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Falconfan1414 said: I see no way they randomly drop the q and a with reveal of diagon alley. With how big of a set this is, they will drop something previewing the q and a with a special reveal Would you happen to know a timeframe when they might do such a thing
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