kbalage Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, 2GodBDGlory said: True, but the Control+ system doesn't have an option for a smaller battery like the PF rechargeable or AAA boxes. You have the AAA Powered Up hub for that purpose exactly :) Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, kbalage said: You have the AAA Powered Up hub for that purpose exactly :) Yes, an interesting waste of money and ressources when models like 42109 uses 2 ports on 4-port-hub when you have the AAA hub for that purpose exactly with no restriction besides mounting points etc ;) Quote
howitzer Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Timorzelorzworz said: Yes, an interesting waste of money and ressources when models like 42109 uses 2 ports on 4-port-hub when you have the AAA hub for that purpose exactly with no restriction besides mounting points etc ;) But mounting points are a significant restriction. The AAA PU hub has a footprint of 4x8 studs and is 4 bricks high. It fits poorly into typical odd-sized Technic models, as you'll have to create half-stud offset for symmetrical mounting. Of course for some models it doesn't matter if the mounting is symmetrical or not, but for example for most vehicles it does. The height of 4 bricks is a tiny little amount (about the height of the "LEGO" on top of each stud) over 5 studs of length, so fitting it between beams 5 studs apart means putting stress on the elements so if you want to be purist about it, you'd need to have a space of 5,5 studs high for mounting it, while it's width requires 5 studs of space unless you can think of an other use for the half-stud wide areas on the sides of the hub. This makes it effectively 5x8x5,5 studs in size, as for symmetric Technic models are concerned. It's still smaller than the AA hub but not by that much. 42109 of course was designed around the AA hub so it fits well, and I'm not sure how it would be improved by changing the hub to AAA type. Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, howitzer said: 42109 of course was designed around the AA hub so it fits well, and I'm not sure how it would be improved by changing the hub to AAA type. 'Cause the 2-port-hub is cheaper, meaning a cheaper price for the entire set. Furthermore the 42109 does not use the gyro sensor anyway, so there is no need for this hub in this model. A simple model that can drive and steer only does not require an overpriced hub with features not used. The AAA-hub can handle the L and XL motor together as well, but in this set, you get an overpriced hub with 2 ports and one sensor unused. Edited June 11, 2020 by Timorzelorzworz Quote
kbalage Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 Just now, Timorzelorzworz said: Furthermore the 42109 does not use the gyro sensor anyway, so there is no need for this hub in this model. A simple model that can drive and steer only does not require an overpriced hub with features not used. That's actually incorrect, the gyro sensor is used in the challenges to detect if you turn with the model or not. 22 minutes ago, howitzer said: 42109 of course was designed around the AA hub so it fits well, and I'm not sure how it would be improved by changing the hub to AAA type. Swapping the hub to the AAA version only improves slightly the top speed but makes a big difference with the climbing abilities, you can check it out here. But this car is not about climbing so I don't think a lot of people would notice the difference :) Since the Technic hub is a structural part of the build that's the main reason why it was used instead of the AAA hub, you don't have to disassemble anything to get access to the batteries and it simply fits better in the Technic studless system. Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 1 minute ago, kbalage said: That's actually incorrect, the gyro sensor is used in the challenges to detect if you turn with the model or not. cool, does not know that yet Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 I guess the new horizontal motor is exactly the same one as in the new 51515 mindstorms set Quote
TeamThrifty Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 Sometimes i think i'm the only person in the world that likes Control+..!! PU was old, outdated and limited. C+ isn't perfect but has massive potential, is hugely scaleable and uses far better comms protocol.... can't wait to get my hands on the new horizontal motor. Hey C+, I still love you!! Quote
AVCampos Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, TeamThrifty said: PU was old, outdated and limited. C+ isn't perfect but has massive potential, is hugely scaleable and uses far better comms protocol.... You mean PF? PU (I call it PUp because I find it funnier and three-letter combinations are less ambiguous) and C+ are just two marketing names for the same platform. Quote
TeamThrifty Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 I did mean PF.. i was typing and not thinking!!! Quote
Maaboo the Witch Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, TeamThrifty said: Sometimes i think i'm the only person in the world that likes Control+..!! You're thinking correctly. Quote
Jundis Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Maaboo35 said: You're thinking correctly. He is not the only one liking Control+, but there are lots of improvemente to be made till we really get a system to work with. But TLG has tons of possibilities here, they just take their time (as always). Back to topic: Appart from the design, does the horizontal motor have extra torque compared to XL-motors, or is it just the 90° angle of the axle connector? Quote
AVCampos Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jundis said: does the horizontal motor have extra torque compared to XL-motors, or is it just the 90° angle of the axle connector? You can compare characteristics on Philo's site. Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jundis said: He is not the only one liking Control+, but there are lots of improvemente to be made till we really get a system to work with. But TLG has tons of possibilities here, they just take their time (as always). Back to topic: Appart from the design, does the horizontal motor have extra torque compared to XL-motors, or is it just the 90° angle of the axle connector? The motor allows better and stronger connection. Instead of using one axle hole, a frame or structure can be connected to the pin holes as well. This might be the better and stronger joice for articulated steering. It is the same with wheels and hubs. A wheel can fit to its center axle with no problems, but is much stronger and better connected with additional pins at wheel hub. So the main difference to this new motor is, that it rotates a platform of 3x3 studs instead one axle, which is much stronger. Edited June 12, 2020 by Timorzelorzworz Quote
Jundis Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 Thank @Timorzelorzworz & @AVCampos ! That actually is a good addition to the current lineup. Will also be useful for turntables... Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) The new 51515 mindstorms brings the mudguard in white. With this release, it is possible to build the front of the hauler completely in white. The model looks then with (some minor changes and) yellow tipper like Liebherr hauler, for example TA230. Requires changes on rims and orange rails, but for guys who love the Liebherr more, it is possible to do. Edited June 12, 2020 by Timorzelorzworz Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) german translation, better quality. It is interesting to see different speeds on the interface, like 42109, but unfortunately no shortcuts for custom or programmable movements Edited June 12, 2020 by Timorzelorzworz Quote
Jundis Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 Actually it looks better in those pics, thx @Timorzelorzworz Still it's missing the tailgate ;-) Quote
Maaboo the Witch Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 I still have no idea why TLG aren't calling this thing the Volvo A60H. Would a semi-numerical model designation be too much for the yoof of today to handle? Quote
Jundis Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, Maaboo35 said: I still have no idea why TLG aren't calling this thing the Volvo A60H. Would a semi-numerical model designation be too much for the yoof of today to handle? It is especially strange since the Lambo, Ducati, Bell Osprey (and the Liebherr) are all in the catalogue with their precise designation... Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 52 minutes ago, Maaboo35 said: I still have no idea why TLG aren't calling this thing the Volvo A60H. Would a semi-numerical model designation be too much for the yoof of today to handle? 'Cause with no stickers, it is not recognizable as A60H :D Quote
Maaboo the Witch Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Timorzelorzworz said: 'Cause with no stickers, it is not recognizable as A60H :D Uh, yeah it is. The shape of the nose alone is a dead giveaway. Quote
jorgeopesi Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 More bed angle would be appreciated... it is a machine, it has to work properly more that be nice to see. Quote
Flybum Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) On 6/12/2020 at 3:02 PM, TeamThrifty said: Sometimes i think i'm the only person in the world that likes Control+..!! PU was old, outdated and limited. C+ isn't perfect but has massive potential, is hugely scaleable and uses far better comms protocol.... can't wait to get my hands on the new horizontal motor. Hey C+, I still love you!! You are not alone. Control+ is powerful, but I am afraid that for the moment I am one of the few that made MOCs based on it. It is fun to program with the Powered up app, not the Control + app, that is a dead app just for kids. It would be much better if we could program it on a PC, because programming a graphical interface on a mobile is really a pain. Besides, you cannot save a file and share with people. Now that someone doing my MOC is asking for help to control it, it is not easy to help. If you are interested my MOC is here. By the way, 42114 looks just perfect to use together... Edited June 18, 2020 by Flybum wrong link Quote
Bartybum Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 What a crock that it's not gonna have pendular suspension Quote
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