42113 Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey

[nhk]

Given the increased complexity of Technic set functions in recent years, I'm surprised that more of them don't have some sort of gear/axle issues.
Was always wondering how those small gears can take the necessary amount of force.

On the subject of availability - it looks like the local retailers put this set on sale a week before August 1st and it was cleaned out immediately.

On a related note, what's the most appropriate Lego email contact in cases like this ?
Those of you who tried, what did you use ?

[Ngoc Nguyen]

Back in 2008 TLG already did a violence-based anthropomorphized tiltrotor.

 

[Go-Kart]

4 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

Back in 2008 TLG already did a violence-based anthropomorphized tiltrotor.

The orange and grey livery clearly emphasizes that this mech is on a rescue mission!

[Bartybum]

22 minutes ago, Go-Kart said:

The orange and grey livery clearly emphasizes that this mech is on a rescue mission!

Hell yeah, mission to rescue the Great Spirit, Mata Nui himself

[AVCampos]

But it wasn't licensed from a company that makes military stuff.

[AussieBrett]

15 hours ago, AVCampos said:

But it wasn't licensed from a company that makes military stuff.

Unlike their other collaborations? Or do you not realise the Unimog and Defender both see military service, and almost every other brand they're licencing has or does have vehicles deployed with various militaries worldwide.

[Gray Gear]

Can we finally stop this discussion? LEGO just realized the Ospreys drivetrain had massive problems as it was already way too late and used that military stuff as a excuse so they dont have to admit their design mistakes. The Osprey is eating 8t gears for breakfast, why are y'all still buying that cheap excuse?

Edited August 19, 2020 by Gray Gear

[Ngoc Nguyen]

5 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

Can we finally stop this discussion? LEGO just realized the Ospreys drivetrain had massive problems as it was already way too late and used that military stuff as a excuse so they dont have to admit their design mistakes. The Osprey is eating 8t gears for breakfast, why are y'all still buying that cheap excuse?

Lego doesnt cancel Technic sets bc of faulty drivetrains. See 42009, 8043, 42056, 42055.

[AussieBrett]

26 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

Lego doesnt cancel Technic sets bc of faulty drivetrains. See 42009, 8043, 42056, 42055.

I don't recall any of those breaking gears?

42055 was just compromised by value engineering and mine worked fine, 42056 was shitty design decisions, the others I can't comment on as I built them individually motorised.

I'd count 42070 as a bigger "faulty drivetrain" than any of those.

Edited August 19, 2020 by AussieBrett

[Jim]

34 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

Can we finally stop this discussion? LEGO just realized the Ospreys drivetrain had massive problems as it was already way too late and used that military stuff as a excuse so they dont have to admit their design mistakes. The Osprey is eating 8t gears for breakfast, why are y'all still buying that cheap excuse?

"Can we finally stop this discussion?", yet you continue the discussion. I always wonder why people think ending a discussion can be done by reposting another (or the same) argument. If you want to stop the discussion, then don't add another post that will ignite the discussion (again).

And please don't post as if you know things for a fact, while you don't. It's your (faulty) assumption, not a fact.

[Gray Gear]

You act like I bumped a 3 month old thread, yet the post before mine was 20 mins before. The discussion wasn't set in motion by me...

And dont you compare the 8043 to this disaster... My 8043 worked just fine, and its gears run smoothly in my Honda NSX and Mazda RX7 till this day. No issues.

The Osprey's problems are on a way higher level, its literally destroing bricks. Customer service would have been in serious trouble if this set got to market.

But yeah, it is my take on the matter, not a fact.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Gray Gear

[AVCampos]

What TLG said is that the military connection is the only reason for this set's cancellation. If you believe them or not, that's up to you.

[Jim]

3 hours ago, Gray Gear said:

You act like I bumped a 3 month old thread, yet the post before mine was 20 mins before. The discussion wasn't set in motion by me...

No, but one doesn't end a discussion by posting another comment 

3 hours ago, Gray Gear said:

The Osprey's problems are on a way higher level, its literally destroing bricks. Customer service would have been in serious trouble if this set got to market.

Yup, could very well be the case. And TLG would probably issue a fix, like they did with other sets (wall-e for example).

3 hours ago, Gray Gear said:

But yeah, it is my take on the matter, not a fact.

Yup, it is.

1 hour ago, AVCampos said:

What TLG said is that the military connection is the only reason for this set's cancellation. If you believe them or not, that's up to you.

Absolutely.

“You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.”

Let's take the blue pill 
 

[Bartybum]

Bit sure there @Gray Gear lol. I'm gonna continue the discussion because what the hell why not lmao. Someone way back in this thread put it this way:

Imagine you're TLG. You've just dropped hundreds of thousands of dollars into designing a product. Why would you suddenly cancel the entire production line because of one catastrophic, yet easily fixable design flaw?? Sure TLG's a bit dumb sometimes, but they're not THAT dumb.

Instead, you halt production, fix the issue, then start up production again, issuing replacement pieces free of charge to anyone that got their hands on an early model. The same logistical problem happened with 8043 when its actuators were discovered to be shit.

I think the executive board got cold feet because of the licensing issue, and they pulled the plug because they changed their minds at the last moment. I definitely think Lego is more than willing to stretch the truth, but not to outright lie.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Bartybum

[Jim]

2 minutes ago, Bartybum said:

I'm gonna continue the discussion because what the hell why not lmao. I don't think that they recalled it because of the gearbox issue. Someone said way back in this thread...

Because you are repeating what someone said way back in this thread. We will never know the truth, and maybe we already know the thruth, but we don't want to believe.

Point being; it's useless to continue discussing this matter.

[Gray Gear]

@Bartybum yeah maybe a combination of "damn how do we fix the sets that are at the shops" and "we dont care about it being a military model but others do so we have to act like we care too"

My 8043 actuators never failed on me, but I never put them under extreme conditions. What are signs of an early actuator?

[Maaboo the Witch]

6 hours ago, AussieBrett said:

Unlike their other collaborations? Or do you not realise the Unimog and Defender both see military service, and almost every other brand they're licencing has or does have vehicles deployed with various militaries worldwide.

The V-22 is designed and built specifically for combat operations. The Unimog and Defender, on the other hand, are civilian/service vehicles with potential military applications. There is a difference.

[Bartybum]

50 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

My 8043 actuators never failed on me, but I never put them under extreme conditions. What are signs of an early actuator?

Not that they failed, but the first production run of LAs had a clutch that tripped too early.

51 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

yeah maybe a combination of "damn how do we fix the sets that are at the shops" and "we dont care about it being a military model but others do so we have to act like we care too"

But "how do we fix the sets that are at the shops" is inherently at odds with recalling for military licensing concerns. In one case you seek to repair and get it back out, and in the latter you're only concerned with removing it from shelves.

[Zerobricks]

4 hours ago, Bartybum said:

Not that they failed, but the first production run of LAs had a clutch that tripped too early. 

Wrong. The actuators had too much friction to be powered by the motor correctly. So they added lubrication and changed spindle shape to reduce friction. 

[Bartybum]

6 hours ago, Zerobricks said:

Wrong. The actuators had too much friction to be powered by the motor correctly. So they added lubrication and changed spindle shape to reduce friction. 

Ah I see, my bad

[XenoRad]

At this point if I stumble across this set on a shelf I'll still pick it up (and fix the gear problem) but otherwise I'm no longer that interested. Too much hassle and price gouging for a set which you absolutely must modify if you intend to run the propellers for more than four times.

[Ngoc Nguyen]

According to this answer on Quora TLG already got into trouble with Boeing for developing a non-licensed tiltrotor.

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Lego-allow-sponsorships-of-the-businesses-in-its-sets/answer/Sabs-Feigler

I think he was referring to 60021, released in 2013.

So a non-licensed tiltrotor got TLG into trouble, and a licensed tiltrotor also got TLG into trouble. I dont think we'll see another tiltrotor again in the near future.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Ngoc Nguyen

[Bartybum]

1 hour ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

According to this answer on Quora TLG already got into trouble with Boeing for developing a non-licensed tiltrotor. 

Of course Boeing would C&D for that, the greedy c***s... Epitome of corporate dickwaddery

[howitzer]

Funnily, when I dug into the old sets, I found that there has been surprisingly many tiltrotors in Technic previously though: 8082, 8222 and 8434, so thematically 42113 wasn't breaking any new ground, especially 8082 had obviously been inspired by the V-22. Of course functionally it would've been something much more than any of the earlier ones.

[Jockos]

It looks like everyone's beloved aircraft will appear in the new Suicide Squad movie :D

 

 

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