[TC18] Technic Small Car Contest - Information Topic

[zux]

Not owning 30699 tires is not a showstopper. For those who don't have them yet (like myself):

1. For WIP you can use 56898 tire, which is the same same size as 30699 and both use same rim;
2. You have more than 6 weeks to acquire 4 pcs. of these tires from Bricklink.

 

[Arioh]

I love this scale. I’ll try to make something too. And I have a question - 3rd party bands allowed, but is makeshift springs( made from auto pen springs) allowed? 

[agrof]

9 hours ago, zux said:

Not owning 30699 tires is not a showstopper. For those who don't have them yet (like myself):

1. For WIP you can use 56898 tire, which is the same same size as 30699 and both use same rim;
2. You have more than 6 weeks to acquire 4 pcs. of these tires from Bricklink.

 

Can be, that neither 30699 nor 56898 is on hand.

Buying LEGO might not be the first thing what comes into the mind for some these days... some priorities must be set, especially due the financial effect of the crisis. This forum and such contests are great escape from everyday issues, but the inflexibility regarding the tires (bit contradictory with the recent height discussion) just takes away this option from many of us. I understand and respect the rules though, and will survive.

Edited March 30, 2020 by agrof

[Jim]

11 hours ago, scynox said:

quick question, if a car's tire axle is long and exceeds the 15stud limit, would the car be disqualified?

example: check the 42098's truck's rear tires, there are red bushes on axles and probably they do not exceed the width but some builds exceed that.

another example would be side mirrors, are these accepted or should they also be within 15stud limit?

The mirrors have been explicitly mentioned in the rules. And I am cool with an protruding bush on a tire axle as well.

10 hours ago, zux said:

Not owning 30699 tires is not a showstopper. For those who don't have them yet (like myself):

1. For WIP you can use 56898 tire, which is the same same size as 30699 and both use same rim;
2. You have more than 6 weeks to acquire 4 pcs. of these tires from Bricklink.

That's the spirit!

37 minutes ago, agrof said:

Can be, that neither 30699 nor 56898 is on hand.

Buying LEGO might not be the first thing what comes into the mind for some these days... some priorities must be set, especially due the financial effect of the crisis. This forum and such contests are great escape from everyday issues, but the inflexibility regarding the tires (bit contradictory with the recent height discussion) just takes away this option from many of us. I understand and respect the rules though, and will survive.

The height was not set in stone before I started the contest, so I was looking for suggestions.

Regarding the tires; I like to narrow down the options and avoid people constantly asking if they can use this or that tire instead. I'm sorry you won't be able to join because of this. On the other hand...four tires/rims won't break the bank.

Other than that; the tire you mentioned is too big for the contest. However, let me see if I can find a compromise. Do you own these tires? The ones Jurss mentioned.

[agrof]

22 hours ago, Jim said:

41 x 15 x 11

I consider this, as statement aka rule.

17 hours ago, Jim said:

I am fine with a 15 or 17 height limit as well. The height limit is simply to avoid people getting creating and making a 197 studs high rocket on four wheels 

This came up after wishes by others.

17 hours ago, Jim said:

17 it is 

 

SIZE LIMITS UPDATED!

L41 x W15 x H17

In my opinion, it is a rule change, even written as update - hence the flow is contradictory to me, but sure, it can be only my way of interpretation. It would have been nicer to offer for all to have the chance to use their on-hand tires only, especially considering the effort we all make to minimize contacts to stop the spread of the COVID-19 on all fields of life. This is our responsibility as well, I will buy only essentials during this period, LEGO tires don't belong here. You are the author, You decide, as I wrote, I can deal with it, just wanted to share another perspective.

Although I have 2 pcs of 56898, they don't fit aesthetically with the other permitted ones, also not enough to make a 4 wheeler with uniform tires. I know, I am picky.

For clarification: I am not angry, I don't want You to make exceptions nor changes now (especially not only because of me, who might be the minority who is whining), let's go for the contest and let's have fun. I still can and will build MOCs. 

Edited March 30, 2020 by agrof
added smiley to soften the text - I mean that ​​​​​​​:)

[ukbajadave]

As of this morning I find myself with several weeks of unexpected building time so I have ordered 42093 and if it turns up I am going to enter my first Eurobricks contest  Yay!

Whilst I appreciate the absence of prizes and will be entering purely for fun with no intention of winning is there a chance there may be badges? My profile looks a little barren for someone who has been here for 10 years.

 

[vascolp]

Hi Jim,

How about considering these four? All the same diameter, 22mm, 14mm and 13mm widths.
No noticeble changes in the spirit of the contest.

• Tire 43.2 x 22 ZR, 44309;
• Tire 43.2 x 14 Solid, 30699;
• Tire 43.2 x 14 Offset Tread, 56898;
• Tire 13 x 24 Model Team, 2696.

Disclamer: I do not own any 30699, only two 56898 and several 2696...  ...and definitely I will not buy lego in the foreseen times....

[Jim]

Okay guys. If there are more people with tire issues, I am willing to reconsider. This contest is to keep us busy during the quarantaine, so I would hate for some people not being able to participate due to lack of tires.

 

[Jurss]

OK, but then maybe add those old style narrow and those which were on mack, no ballons. That should be enough.

[Jim]

If everyone is cool with the rules adjustment, I will make slight changes. Indeed, no balloon tires though. I do feel sorry for those of you who ordered tires or a set.

Let me know if there are any objections to adding a few tires.

 

[Thirdwigg]

I am OK with adding tire 15413 as it fits the feel of 44309 and 30699, but that’s about it for me. But I like having narrow constraints. 

Edited March 30, 2020 by Thirdwigg

[Seasider]

all ok with me @Jim we want this to be as inclusive as possible while still trying to create some commonality 

[Jundis]

Tinkering around with some mechanics in the back: Is it allowed to cover them up with 2 non-technic panels? Sadly, nothing else fits :-/ --> 4215b

[Jim]

Just now, Jundis said:

Tinkering around with some mechanics in the back: Is it allowed to cover them up with 2 non-technic panels? Sadly, nothing else fits :-/ --> 4215b

You can use some system elements. As long as it doesn't turn into a model team car.

[Nazgarot]

Tyre change sounds good. It'll add to our creativity as well.

This should lead to a good set of models for my car transporter :)

-ED-

[zux]

On 3/28/2020 at 11:01 AM, Jim said:

• Entries need to be new (never posted anywhere previously or shown at an event/LUG meeting).

Having WIP pictures posted over internet before the contest but never having model completed still count as new? 

[Jim]

16 hours ago, zux said:

Having WIP pictures posted over internet before the contest but never having model completed still count as new? 

Nope. 

16 hours ago, Nazgarot said:

Tyre change sounds good. It'll add to our creativity as well.

I am making the changes as we speak.

20 hours ago, Jurss said:

OK, but then maybe add those old style narrow and those which were on mack, no ballons. That should be enough.

This is what I am aiming at.

I have altered the rules. Let me know if I missed a tire. I can't include Tire 49.5 x 20, since they are way bigger than the others, sorry. But I will probabably do a contest like "Build any vehicle with 49.5 x 20 tires" in the future  

[1980SomethingSpaceGuy]

Thanks for the organization of this new TC, Jim, that's great!

Thanks also to have widened the choice of tires a bit. I happen to only have two 43.2 x 22 ZR, at the moment, but I think I might get 2 more.

I really don't want to be annoying, but... I have six of these 43.2 x 22 H. Are these considered balloon? Would they be acceptable?

[msk6003]

Sorry for many tire-related question.

I already start make my entry so this is for pure curiosity.

Is this combination is allowed?

This is 44309 tire(43.2x22 ZR. Include in rule) with 86652 wheel(43.2x18mm. Usually used in mobile crean and truck).

[Jim]

Okay guys, I'll tell you what.....you can use ANY tire with a max diameter or 49.5! Go nuts.
Please stick to a max of 49.5.

This is because of Corona and I like to see as many people as possible building. There will be a contest with very limited scope and tire options next time. When I start such a contest, I don't want ANY comments about it. Deal? 

Please remember; the car needs to fit the box dimensions.

PS; I'm sorry if you ordered tires, especially for this contest.

[Seasider]

So I wonder how many SUVs and off roaders we get now :)

stay sane @Jim

[Jim]

Just now, Seasider said:

So I wonder how many SUVs and off roaders we get now :)

stay sane @Jim

I don't like it either. On the one hand, I am getting tired of these questions. On the other hand, we started the contest to have fun during the quarantaine. And as a wise man once said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", so I'd rather have more people building.

By the way; 49.5 is not the diameter, right? It's the circumference?

Another comment regarding using existings builds. In a future contest I will disqualify this build, since pictures of more or less the same chassis have been posted on Flickr before the start of the contest. I will be lenient this time, but next contest will be more strict.

[Seasider]

Just now, Jim said:

I don't like it either. On the one hand, I am getting tired of these questions. On the other hand, we started the contest to have fun during the quarantaine. And as a wise man once said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", so I'd rather have more people building.

By the way; 49.5 is not the diameter, right? It's the circumference?

technic tyre dimensions are diameter and width. I’ve just checked with a rule on my build so far against the dimensions quoted on the tyres.

i think the competition as it now stands is great. Lots of WIP topics too so that’s great to see. I’m too busy working from home to do build during the week so weekends only for me. Just the occasional thought in my brain of what to do next or how to solve a problem.

 

[1gor]

@Jim it is diameter

[Jim]

Just now, I_Igor said:

@Jim it is diameter

Now I see. I was looking at the wheels that fit the 49.5 tire.