Peter Lyon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Daniel Lucas said: Robin and Emmett confirmed I was targeting him and he was blocked. I jailed Alex N1. However no confirmation from him, but the vanilla claim. Now we know he was town. Which means if he would have been not blocked he would have revealed that I'm lying by his actual role before getting lynched. But he had no role apparently while being Town. Also if I wanted to just claim the block as a scum I'd have had no intel on Alex to be sure I'm choosing a vanilla since it was N1. Emmett called this luck, but I'd call it a stupid play a scum would never do. This is all indirect information and I'm quite said I had to point these out myself, but with Vincent getting blocked the previous night it should already be enough not only to believe that I can block, but that I'm with Town. In this case why would I lie about being a jailer. I don't quite follow this. Robin and Emmett confirmed you could block. Alex was town, so if Alex had a PR, he would have likely let us know that you blocked him. Maybe not initially, but certainly before he was lynched. Why does it matter that Alex was vanilla?
Daniel Lucas Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Yes, what was the timing of this? Daniel, did you suggest tracking Justin before or after learning he would be the block target? Maybe Fred can help us confirm with timestamps from PMs? No need, because I knew of course. But what should I tell Emmett, one of my main suspects? Now at least he was able to confirm his Tracker role, while I was truly wanted him to track Justin in case he is not getting really blocked. How would I have known Fred is going to block him? All I wanted by N3 is confirmations for claims. 43 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: I would tell someone via PM who I trust. Turns out I don't trust anybody so I didn't reveal anything to anybody, least of all you. Then stop implying things you already know you won't do. Your alignment leaning on me always flips the most conveniently, always to force you not to actually say anything about you which would need at least one confirmation. This is a sneaky play and gives just as zero reason to trust anything you say. My cards are on the table since D2. All we have on you on the other hand is untouchable talk with excuses all the time. 49 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: But you only knew this after the day started. Why would you tell someone you didn't trust who you would be blocking? That was the whole reason of the coordination. To make us consistent to our supposed claims. Why would they have trusted me more? 51 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Or maybe the fact that everybody who has claimed has also claimed who they targeted, he might know that Andrew wasn't targeted by anyone else. Or if someone did know his targets, he needed to risk guessing nobody else had targeted Andrew. Risk. I don't buy this risk talk, period. There is nothing to do with theories based on scum taking risks. 1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said: There it is a third time. Currently, you're the only one pushing for more info about it. Also yes, I am pushing you to give us more information. What do you mean I'm the only one? You want votes on yourself? Or more push by other players so you can see it is not a scum fishing act? Again you Vincent, Aiden, Peter, Trenton and Fabien, you guys give us nothing. Nothing. All we know is some of you were blocked at certain times. Two of you were blocked yesterday and there was no kill. Until there is more information we can link together or confirm, I don't see any more reason to create indirect theories anymore. It is D4 and they are useless at this point. We all have questioned almost everybody and theorized about everybody as a potential scum. And you guys just sit there conveniently, talking BS about your role being more useful not revelaed. 'No shit'. All we have know is to confirm supposed actions, targets and results. I can totally see Justin as scum and that's why I wanted to see if Fred is ready to block him. Of course if they are scum together, Justin may have been totally free to do his stuff. But there was no kill and you are the only supposed protected player. This case Emmett's tracking could've tell us more. But this is not what happened. You and Fabien give us the same "we won't claim anything" talk. We all know the possibilities of you being important, however when asked about it you kind of wish-wash, saying it was never implied nor actually that important. Really. Like all roles would not negate their effect after claiming. I don't buy this anymore, it is that simple. There is absolutely no need for you to say anything, because you have nothing to give. Your suspicion of Justin is shared amongst us as well. But he has a claim at least. It has its suspicious blind spots but no contradiction. Your theories are just as useless now as any other theory. There is not enough reason not to push Fabien and you to give us something which can be actually checked. 38 minutes ago, Peter Lyon said: Why does it matter that Alex was vanilla? Why wouldn't it matter? Scum have no more intel about who is being vanilla at N1. The theory of me claiming to jail him should imply a huge risk taken by me if I'm scum. We had absolutely zero idea about what Alex is. Since he was town, we know he would have not lied. You just answered the question yourself too Peter.
Aiden Leon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Right now I'm worried scum didn't do shit last night, and now we're gonna go around lynching each and everyone of these players trying to find the blocked killer. However that's not me saying that I don't find suspicion in the blocked players, but I wonder. However maybe scum aren't allowed to not kill anyone in the night because that would kinda be a overpowered play IMO with all these blockers around?
Daniel Lucas Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said: However maybe scum aren't allowed to not kill anyone in the night because that would kinda be a overpowered play IMO with all these blockers around? Interesting thought. If that is the case I think we'll never know, since it is a condition only the killer is told about. I myself don't believe a restriction like that would be the case, scum not making a kill is always an angle to play in certain situations. I can't speak for everbody of course but again this is my stand at the moment: Since there are 5 players we know nothing about except a failed attempt of anything and a blocked action from yesterday, I see no way that I'm going to vote for a claimed player this day. Most of them are confirmed with their roles and there is no information that would suggest their potential scum alignment anything more than with the un-claimed ones. Considering the claimed players, Justin and Robin are the most untraceable, since their actions can be made up very easily, especially Robin, because of the restricted protection claim, which lets him to just tell nothing exactly. He asked me who to protect and my answer was either himself or one of the claimed blockers since only we can stop a kill attempt as far as we know. It seems he chose no one. Either we take the risk and lynch such a claim or just let him be for the moment. So. You unclaimed guys are either useful assets or potential scums enjoying the convenience of secrecy, not forced by anything and anybody to be confirmed even in the tiniest manner. Trenton and Peter are practically just cherrypicking a couple of topics to repeat or ask about in an almost totally redundant way. At least in my opinion. Trenton is one of the 4 players who voted for me with Joshua (just for the record). You Aiden was quite active while I was accusing you, you had some pro-town observations, but also seemed to be biased with busting my balls while not voting for me since D1. At least in my opinion. And we have Fabien and Vincent again, the two blocked unclaimed guys. Fabien went kind of AWOL D1 and the first part of D2 which I don't like. Did not vote several times. And there is my dearest friend, Vincent. I've told everything in the previous post I currently think about him. In my opinion it is the time they get some pressure and give us something which could be checked or confirmed upon. Or you guys go and vote anybody you find suspicious, but then we're back at D3 with one less townie. Vote: Vincent Denis My reason: I want his failed N1 action attemp clarified. There are no additional known blockers out there. I think it is a huge mistake we just went past this.
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: I think Justin's target on Jean is suspicous and convenient. The Voyeur claim is a bit risky however. If Andrew was targeted by anyone else N1, we would have proof that Justin is lying. So as Emmett would say, it is either a lucky claim or the truth. Or it was the truth and Justin was really a framer. He did say he is going to target me next. I have only one problem with this. Now we see nothing harmful was done to me. If so it would've been just another blank report of me being dead. If not dead, the second most likely thing to get is maybe a block, but I could have reported it back myself. I'm not sure of this, Voyeur is not that powerful and there is a lot of narrative, but if he is the killer and I'd have ended up dead but while he getting tracked by Emmett in the meantime, this Voyeur claim would have been the perfect alibi. Justin's target is suspicious? Hell yeah, in other games I've played it's an automatic lynch, so I don't even know why you're acting as if it doesn't matter. It sucks to be Justin right now, but there's nothing to redeem him in my view. He has a suspicious voting pattern, he was one of the three blocked players last night when Scum didn't kill, and he admitted to targeting Jean on the very night he died, claiming an action that doesn't do shit to help us and that can't be easily verified. While I appreciate that you're looking to further your knowledge about PRs and that you can't live without knowing everything about everyone, I don't see how you can let Justin live with all the evidence against him. 4 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: There is absolutely no need for you to say anything, because you have nothing to give. Your suspicion of Justin is shared amongst us as well. But he has a claim at least. It has its suspicious blind spots but no contradiction. Your theories are just as useless now as any other theory. There is not enough reason not to push Fabien and you to give us something which can be actually checked. I don't see how having a claim is helping him in any way. It's not a proven claim, and by now I'd think that every Scum has prepared a claim. Voyeur isn't particularly risky, as it can't be easily verified unless someone tracks him, and what are the chances of another Townie with the same role? Moreover, we don't know if Justin was the killer on Night 1, so he could be truthful about having targeted Alex. It doesn't prove that he's not the killer now. 33 minutes ago, Aiden Leon said: However maybe scum aren't allowed to not kill anyone in the night because that would kinda be a overpowered play IMO with all these blockers around? What seems overpowered to me is Town having so many blockers.
Aiden Leon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Fabien Bellamy said: What seems overpowered to me is Town having so many blockers. Do I smell butthurt?
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Fabien went kind of AWOL D1 and the first part of D2 which I don't like. Did not vote several times. Real life. I'm a health worker. Activity levels rarely have anything to do with alignments. Just now, Aiden Leon said: Do I smell butthurt? No, it's the smell of a possible Scum blocker.
Trenton Monette Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said: Why wouldn't it matter? Scum have no more intel about who is being vanilla at N1. The theory of me claiming to jail him should imply a huge risk taken by me if I'm scum. We had absolutely zero idea about what Alex is. Since he was town, we know he would have not lied. You just answered the question yourself too Peter. I don’t think anyone is saying you’re not a jailkeeper. We just don’t know if you’re a Town one. Though I think you are Town for what it’s worth.
Aiden Leon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Fabien Bellamy said: Real life. I'm a health worker. Stay safe man. o7 Just now, Fabien Bellamy said: Activity levels rarely have anything to do with alignments. However I do have to disagree with this in general. 1 minute ago, Fabien Bellamy said: No, it's the smell of a possible Scum blocker. True but then there's the last game.
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Aiden Leon said: Stay safe man. o7 Just now, Aiden Leon said: True but then there's the last game. As we've just seen with Alex, it's dangerous to assume anything based on the last game.
Trenton Monette Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fabien Bellamy said: No, it's the smell of a possible Scum blocker. The three blockers coordinated their targets last night. So if there was a scum blocker then the scum would’ve known who NOT to target in the case of Daniel (since he protects his target as well). Andrew said his role was a vanillaiser right? So technically he isn’t a blocker by definition but by function he serves the same purpose as one.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Fabien Bellamy said: Justin's target is suspicious? Hell yeah, in other games I've played it's an automatic lynch, so I don't even know why you're acting as if it doesn't matter. Because I'm not acting like it doesn't matter. It does. As I've said, from the claimed ones, Robin and Justin are the untraceable ones. Also Voyeur is a weak power role so losing Justin would not even be the end for Town. But even a Voyeur has its use in later confirmations. You guys have accused Justin for some time. I've read all of your arguments about him and they may very well be true. Only that he claimed and it can't be decided for sure. It does matter. Only that I do not know anything about you or Vincent. Vincent suggested that we should be patient about it. Well... ( ) patient about what exactly? If you want to help Fabien you may tell us anything which would even suggest why lynching a claimed player would be more beneficial than checking either Vincent or you out this day. I think the ball is in your court at the moment. 32 minutes ago, Fabien Bellamy said: I don't see how having a claim is helping him in any way. It's not a proven claim, and by now I'd think that every Scum has prepared a claim. This is a false assumption. Being prepared to claim and staying consistent about it until the very end is absolutely not the same. You are justificating of being silent with this statement.
Bob Posted April 23, 2020 Author Posted April 23, 2020 Vote Count: Justin Reynaud - 1 (Fabien Bellamy) Vincent Denis - 1 (Daniel Lucas) With 11 players, a majority of 6 is required to lynch. About 47 hours remain in this day. "What are you doing, Aiden?" Fred asked. "Fishing for my lunch." he replied. "Caught anything?" "Not yet, it's difficult to do when the line won't even reach the water."
Aiden Leon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Also @Daniel Lucas I'd love a update on your spreadsheet.
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: It does matter. Only that I do not know anything about you or Vincent. Vincent suggested that we should be patient about it. Well... ( ) patient about what exactly? If you want to help Fabien you may tell us anything which would even suggest why lynching a claimed player would be more beneficial than checking either Vincent or you out this day. I think the ball is in your court at the moment. If there's a serious attempt at lynching me, I will claim, and people will believe me. I mean, you're believing Justin and his super fishy claim! But Town will be the worse for it. So why don't we just skip all this and lynch Justin instead?
Daniel Lucas Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Fabien Bellamy said: If there's a serious attempt at lynching me, I will claim, and people will believe me. I mean, you're believing Justin and his super fishy claim! But Town will be the worse for it. So why don't we just skip all this and lynch Justin instead? Agggggain, no one says his claim is anything good or strong or not even suspicious. But still can be the truth, while what you are giving us is nothing. You just asking for empty trust. Why would we give you trust and deny it from Justin who at least said something he needs to stay consistent about. Also I'm not speaking for Town by myself. You already voted for Justin, I vote for Vincent because I want that N1 failed action explained. If the others choose to go for Justin without knowing anything about you, that's the way it is. (Fred blocked Justin N3, sorry forgot to update that) (Also missed to mark Vincent as blocked N3 by me, but he did not confirm it explicitly if I'm not mistaken)
Aiden Leon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Just to fill in the board a little, I'll say that I haven't targeted anyone at all so far so you can just put down "no action" or whatever equivalent.
Justin Reynaud Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: There it is a third time. Currently, you're the only one pushing for more info about it. Let's not forget that we can concentrate on the three players who were blocked, yes. I personally think that Justin is scum. You may have heard me mention it, repeatedly, over the first three days and also again today. But let's not forget that it's possible the scum killer was not blocked and that I was the target. This is the 2nd time you've shrugged off the idea of focusing on the 3 of us who were blocked. Ping! Why? Because this entire game your play has been about mis-direction. I pointed out yesterday (D3) that you seem to nit-pick things that don't matter. Drawing huge attention to things that are either made-up or minor. You have attacked me every day, often over things I gave clear answers to. You and Daniel both did this D1 leading to the text wall war. You have worked really hard to control the narrative all game. This is helpful if you are town because it gives us townies some focus and direction. The dangers of it if you are scum are obvious. 8 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: Or maybe the fact that everybody who has claimed has also claimed who they targeted, he might know that Andrew wasn't targeted by anyone else. Or if someone did know his targets, he needed to risk guessing nobody else had targeted Andrew. *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom* You even admit there is a lot of risk if I'm scum trying to make a false claim. If I was any kind of experienced scum player this would be a stupid move. I won't deny that I've been in the wrong place at the wrong time a lot this game. As others have pointed out, voting for Joshua D1 when it didn't matter then hammering him D2 has bad optics. Targeting Jean D2 as Voyeur has super bad optics. But if I was really scum, why would I keep trying to make myself look worse? 1 hour ago, Fabien Bellamy said: Justin's target is suspicious? Hell yeah, in other games I've played it's an automatic lynch, so I don't even know why you're acting as if it doesn't matter. It sucks to be Justin right now, but there's nothing to redeem him in my view. He has a suspicious voting pattern, he was one of the three blocked players last night when Scum didn't kill, and he admitted to targeting Jean on the very night he died, claiming an action that doesn't do shit to help us and that can't be easily verified. While I appreciate that you're looking to further your knowledge about PRs and that you can't live without knowing everything about everyone, I don't see how you can let Justin live with all the evidence against him. See my answer above. 1 hour ago, Fabien Bellamy said: What seems overpowered to me is Town having so many blockers. I think it's wise to look at the 3 people blocked, and yes I know that includes me! But I also think we need to strongly consider the 3 blockers. So easy for one of them to be scum and trying to look like they are helping the town. This should come as no surprise as I've been calling out my suspicion of him from day one, but Vincent just keeps coming back with more pings! Vote: Vincent Denis
Aiden Leon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Justin Reynaud said: why would I keep trying to make myself look worse? Haha. Are you saying you own your scummy behavior and weren't caught doing scummy things?
Vincent Denis Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* 2 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said: This is the 2nd time you've shrugged off the idea of focusing on the 3 of us who were blocked. As I stated, because someone was protected and could've been the kill target. This is the second or third time someone has suggested shrugging that off, when it is a possibility. And don't get me wrong, I think we should lynch one of the three blocked players. I'm just not audacious enough to be one of said blocked players and place a vote on one of you two because that's disrespectful and desperate. I'm in no hurry to place my vote, but take a wild guess where it might be going. 2 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said: I think it's wise to look at the 3 people blocked, and yes I know that includes me! But I also think we need to strongly consider the 3 blockers. So easy for one of them to be scum and trying to look like they are helping the town. This sounds super sincere after you suggested I was shrugging off the idea of focusing on the three players who were blocked. Nice one. 5 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said: If I was any kind of experienced scum player this would be a stupid move. But you aren't. You gave me a whole song and dance via PM last night that this is your first game. So, which is it? Do you have experience or is this your first game? *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom*
Aiden Leon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said: If I was any kind of experienced scum player this would be a stupid move. Just now, Vincent Denis said: You gave me a whole song and dance via PM last night that this is your first game. So, which is it? Do you have experience or is this your first game? Oh wow okay. That's not very townie of you to contradict yourself Justin just to state a point. And to the person you said you were a noob to.
Justin Reynaud Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: This sounds super sincere after you suggested I was shrugging off the idea of focusing on the three players who were blocked. Nice one. Here we go again. Taking the smallest things and trying to make them big. Really, can others not see through this? 2 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: But you aren't. You gave me a whole song and dance via PM last night that this is your first game. So, which is it? Do you have experience or is this your first game? Wouldn't you like to know? Based on your behavior and all my interactions with you I have 0 reason to trust you and every reason to think you are scum. So you can just keep trying to guess the answer. You've made it clear what you think of me. Why don't you just place your vote and be down with it? Why are you playing this pretend game of wait-and-see? Maybe because you are scum. Just now, Aiden Leon said: Oh wow okay. That's not very townie of you to contradict yourself Justin just to state a point. And to the person you said you were a noob to. You're talking like you were part of the conversation when you weren't. Unless of course Vincent and you have been sharing all PMs from the beginning since you're scum buddies. I called it Day One, I'm calling it again now. Vincent and Aiden are scum.
Aiden Leon Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Justin Reynaud said: You're talking like you were part of the conversation when you weren't. I'm speechless. Incredible. Well done sir. You have single handedly discredited all arguments against you by informing everyone that you didn't ask for their oppinion. Bravo.
Fred Dumont Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: Yes, what was the timing of this? Daniel, did you suggest tracking Justin before or after learning he would be the block target? Maybe Fred can help us confirm with timestamps from PMs? There was no discussion of Tracking Mr. Reynaud, at least not in our group message. I confirmed I would be blocking Mr. Reynaud about 20ish hours into the night.
Vincent Denis Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, Justin Reynaud said: Based on your behavior and all my interactions with you I have 0 reason to trust you and every reason to think you are scum. *fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* If you have zero reasons to trust me, why did you claim your "role" to me last night? I know you've said it's clear Daniel and I aren't on the same team but the same could be set about Emmett, Aiden, maybe Fred. Daniel has gone after them with the same energy, so then why me if you have zero reasons to trust me? Your PM was all "Gosh, I don't know if I can trust you, but here's hoping you're Town! If you are I hope I've found an ally. Here's my role, blah blah blah." You told me everything you had to offer about your supposed role. You said specifically you were "undecided" about my allegiance. Yet, in thread, I've given you nothing but pings since Day One? Not only did you say you were a n00b, you said that was the reason you've been pinging me, because you don't know how to play yet. 33 minutes ago, Justin Reynaud said: This should come as no surprise as I've been calling out my suspicion of him from day one, but Vincent just keeps coming back with more pings! Weird, I just read through all of your posts from Day One and I didn't see you mention you finding me suspicious. You seem to go after Aiden, but I didn't get a clear idea that you were suspicious of me. Perhaps you can clarify? You've mentioned you have "every reason to think" I'm scum and all these pings you've felt from my posts but that's pretty unspecific. Since you've told me you were trying to figure out how to play on EB Mafia, here's some advice; It's easier for other people to follow your suspicion if you put it out there in a specific list, like this: I'm suspicious of Justin because: The whole poke-vote thing I never believed. While he claimed to have found Joshua suspicious, he didn't point out that Joshua was wrong about (whoever they were) pushing for a no-lynch. He said he didn't think Joshua should be lynched on day two, then on day three said he'd been in favor of it. "Didn't realize" he was the hammer vote on Joshua. The PM with Daniel. Admitting to targeting Jean on Night Two and being blocked last night, when there was no kill. PMing me to claim his role after supposedly finding me the most suspicious and me detailing my suspicions about him every day of this game. Me having a conflict with Daniel throughout this game or not, I'm an odd chose to claim the role to. Again, I said this on Day Three: On 4/18/2020 at 9:57 PM, Vincent Denis said: Nothing I've learned at night has any implication towards anybody as scum yet, otherwise, I'd reveal it. Or, like Jean, I'd push for a specific lynch. Or I'd be more subtle than Jean since it got him killed. Since I was pushing for his lynch yesterday, I think Justin thought I knew something about him and PMed me to roleclaim to explain away what I might know. Sending the identical PM to Daniel is good cover since it's been discussed often in this game that you send a PM to "at least five people!!" to make sure a townie gets it. This was actually my reasoning for sending my PMs with Daniel to Aiden on Night One. So, if Justin is Scum, this is a decent mimic of what a Townie did. So, Justin, can you do that to make your suspicions of me more clear? It may make it more clear to others as well to see all the pings you've felt in one place. Thanks. *Fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwom, fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwooooooom* No colors anymore, I want them to turn black.
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