Pirates Mafia III - Day Six

[Trenton Monette]

Well shit. Let’s look at what we have here. According to mafia scum wiki the bulletproof role can be town aligned or scum aligned. A big part of me believes Vincent is telling the truth here plain and simple. I’ve tried not to read too much over the mess that is Day Two but looking back at the vote count for Joshua, Vincent was the third person on him. I could see a scum reluctantly voting towards the end of a bandwagon or possibly keeping off it entirely. But not passed the start where it would be easy to kick a bandwagon off like that. On the other hand here’s what bugs me about Vincent’s hidden claim. It’s hidden so if he ever needed to use it (such as today) he could show everyone he claimed earlier in the game (as he’s done). But if he was say tracked, then he could leave the hidden claim where it is and we’d be none the wiser. How do we know the words TRACKER, BODYGUARD, VIGILANTE or INVENTOR aren’t hidden somewhere in Vincent’s many posts? How we do we know he hasn’t made various hidden claims and pulled up the one that fits his story? 

Aiden being a scum governor is something I’ve considered as well. But if I was a scum governor, and I was planning to save my scum buddy. I probably wouldn’t claim I governer. I would claim another passive role. 

This was probably going to come out sooner or later so I may as well just say it now. I am the Town Mason. Remi (was) also a town mason (RIP old friend ) and we had a masonry together. Unlike you guys who could only during the night stage. Myself and Remi were allowed to communicate during the day phase as well as the night phase. He didn’t say a lot other than he suspected a scum between Aiden, Vincent and Daniel due to the chaos they were causing on a Day One. I was glad to be parked with someone since this is my 2nd game here. So apologies if I haven’t been playing things right. But that’s all I know. Me and him were masons and sadly he was killed night 1 so no more was able to be said. 

 

[Andrew Laurent]

Wow, we've actually had EVERYONE speak already today! Some I'm not sure should count (cough, Aiden, cough) but we at least know everyone has shown up a little.

So, how do we explain another no-kill night, and who do we lynch today? It's vital we get it right. Robin, who did you protect? 

Sorry for confusing people with my wall of text - I was thinking out loud and had already written that whole thing about Vincent and the no-kills and the blocks because I wanted to throw it out and see what people thought. But I decided that would not be a good way to handle it - making accusations that I knew were false. So I put the rebuttal in that same post. 

 

[Vincent Denis]

6 hours ago, Trenton Monette said:

 How do we know the words TRACKER, BODYGUARD, VIGILANTE or INVENTOR aren’t hidden somewhere in Vincent’s many posts? How we do we know he hasn’t made various hidden claims and pulled up the one that fits his story?

 OK, you caught me there. I did hide other acrostics in the game:

On 4/24/2020 at 2:39 PM, Vincent Denis said:

Damn it all, tomorrow would fucking suck if you were to flip town. All 96 hours of the day would be filled with wall of text after wall of text from Daniel against Fabien and me, mostly me I'm sure. Nothing, in my opinion, would be worse than you flipping town. I may even vote for myself if that ends up happening because it would be nothing but misery. Everything thing I've said in this game has been true and every suspicion has been sincere. 

Let's discuss these things since we have plenty of time left. If you're town, I'm town, so that would mean either Fabien is the killer who was blocked or the killer was someone like Trenton or Peter, who haven't claimed roles and have been flying under the radar, and they targeted me. So, let me answer the concerns you listed. After I asked for specific examples of poke votes having an effect, you mentioned Day One of Pirates II. To my knowledge, poke votes didn't produce any results in that game. What effect do you think they had there? And the "proof" that I've been inconsistent isn't proof of any such thing. The point I was making was that, in the past, scum have "poke-voted" their inactive scum buddies, in order to appear active. And even if that was inconsistent (which it wasn't) one example of inconsistency doesn't add up to scummy inconsistencies. Now, your accusations in points number 3 and 4 sound more to me like Daniel, but maybe that's because I'm not seeing my own actions clearly as I truly think I'm being helpful. Daniel has questioned me a million (I've counted) times and I haven't once voted for him. Similarly, other people have questioned me and I've answered patiently, at least in my own estimation of my behavior. Maybe you are still mixing the two of us up. Everything I've done has been in the interest of weeding out the scum. Looking at your list, I don't see myself, but I'm open to advice or corroboration from anybody reading this in order to improve my communication. Last thing I want to be is what Justin is describing here. Sorry if I've truly made anyone feel this way.

Lynching you is not possible alone and I'd hardly considerate it desperate since I've voiced my suspicions of you every day of this game, consistently. I find it decidedly inconvenient that I was blocked on the same night that there was no kill since I know I'm neither a killer, nor scum. Knowing this, and finding you suspicious throughout the game, of course I was going to vote for you today. Even you've admitted that you were in the wrong place at the wrong time and didn't know you were the hammer on Joshua, so shouldn't the town be suspicious of you? Please accept my deepest apologies if you are town, especially if this is your first game. Our games are typically a lot more fun that this. Or, at least, I think they are.

It spells "Daniel is a twat and also smells like poo" but that was just a coincidence. I find the idea ludicrous that I would choose "bulletproof survivor" as one of many fake claims and put it in my first post of Day Two and that one magically fit every circumstance of my specific behavior of asking not to protected and blatantly trying to be killed. That reminds me, I also hid The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out of Its Butt in one of my posts, but I can't find it.

I did, however, twice hint at being an inventor:

On 4/13/2020 at 10:39 PM, Vincent Denis said:

Me? Innocent anonymous Vinvent Denis?  

On 4/23/2020 at 3:23 PM, Vincent Denis said:

Not the bus driver. There were actually three unsuccessful actions that weren't blocked on the first night of Pirates II. Elijah tried to give Ansel an invention, but he was dead. Ethan tried to investigate Ansel, but he was dead. He should've investigated himself, shouldn't he have?? We'll talk to Bob about that later. And yes, you targeted a ninja.

But, that was to entice the scum into killing me. In Pirates II, the inventor could invent a protective, investigative and killing action, so I figured if the scum thought that, they'd target me for the kill. Inventor would be a ridiculous thing to fake-claim as Scum unless you had the ability to invent things and give them to people. Mason can be just as hard as you have to make the extremely convenient/inconvenient claim that your Mason buddy can't confirm you as he was the first night kill in the game. I'd guffaw at the claim, but I did that to our Voyeur and our suicidal limited Vigilante with one-shot strongarm modifier. I'll leave it to others to react. Was your masonry not given the ability to recruit?

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[Trenton Monette]

11 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

 OK, you caught me there. I did hide other acrostics in the game:

It spells "Daniel is a twat and also smells like poo" but that was just a coincidence. 

Regardless of your alignment. That’s incredibly impressive and comical at the same time. Maybe the accusation was a bit far fetched. For what it’s worth I’m leaning town in you given your vote on the Joshua bandwagon I talked about earlier. 

18 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

Was your masonry not given the ability to recruit?

No. All I was told was that I was town mason and Remi was my mason buddy. We’d were allowed to set up a PM and communicate during the day and night phase.

[Andrew Laurent]

First, Vincent, that second message is a work of art. Although technically, the message doesn't have the "also" in it. You just spelled "and smells like poo" not "and also smells". But I'm being pedantic. 

Do you all know how much time I've had to spend on mafiascum wiki and other mafia sites looking up details of all these crazy roles this game? It's nuts. So in my reading on masons... that role does make sense in this game, since we're (both town and scum) restricted on communication. Having a couple townies that can day-chat would be useful, if they survived long enough to get some trust with others. However, with one dead right away, the role became pretty useless. Any chance either one of you did like the wiki suggests and breadcrumbed your partner's identity? 

[Vincent Denis]

22 minutes ago, Andrew Laurent said:

First, Vincent, that second message is a work of art. Although technically, the message doesn't have the "also" in it. You just spelled "and smells like poo" not "and also smells". But I'm being pedantic. 

Art by random coincidence. I really can't take any credit. I blame divine intervention. I actually went through every one of my posts to see if there were any more acrostics and found that one by surprise. Pretty crazy coincidence, am I right? 

22 minutes ago, Andrew Laurent said:

So in my reading on masons... that role does make sense in this game, since we're (both town and scum) restricted on communication. Having a couple townies that can day-chat would be useful, if they survived long enough to get some trust with others. However, with one dead right away, the role became pretty useless. Any chance either one of you did like the wiki suggests and breadcrumbed your partner's identity? 

The only question I have about this claim is why wait to make the claim if your partner is dead. Why not claim on Day Two after he was killed? Once we got into the nitty-gritty of roleclaims and trying to verify each other, why not claim them? At least a PM to Emmett who seems to be verified. What's the risk of claiming when you're a lone Mason? It might've helped us clear things up earlier, or at least have more reason to believe it. 

These are honest and gentle questions. I'm leaving my mind open to the possibility of you being a Mason, Trenton. As opposed to digging into the reasons I could come up with that you're lying about it and then just stubbornly insisting that it's a lie. That didn't work out so well with Justin or Fabien. I miss them. I also miss Jean. And Remi. And Alex. Even Michael. 

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[Peter Lyon]

12 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

From doing what? Tell us your action, please?

Fair enough, it's probably late enough.  I'm the Town Psychologist.  I learn whether or not a player has an unused kill action.  I have not wanted to share that because I assume it means the scum can move the kill around, and once a player has killed they return a negative result to me.  They look just like anyone else.  It also means that if the scum picked up on the suggestion to not kill at night, then I'd have more time to try to find them.  Of course, we haven't had a scum kill for 3 nights in a row now, so whether or not they did it on purpose or have been prevented from doing so I have no idea, but it made me feel like I still had a pretty decent chance of finding someone.  When asking for clarification about my role, I was not told what would happen if a scum tried to kill but was prevented from doing so.

I never targeted Fabien.  If I had learned he had an unused kill earlier in the game, I would have found a way to make that known.  My plan was always to keep my role secret as long as possible unless I had a positive result.

My targets that I got results on for nights 1 to 3 were Justin, Fred, and Aiden.  Each of them came up negative, but as I understand my role, it can't be used to confirm townies so much as only identify scum who have yet to kill.

I was still suspicious of Justin despite my result in particular because of my role and Emmett's tracker claim.  I figured he could have been the night 1 killer and then I would have not seen him as scum.  His Voyeur claim of having targeted Jean lined up with that theory.

2 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

It spells "Daniel is a twat and also smells like poo" but that was just a coincidence. I find the idea ludicrous that I would choose "bulletproof survivor" as one of many fake claims and put it in my first post of Day Two and that one magically fit every circumstance of my specific behavior of asking not to protected and blatantly trying to be killed. That reminds me, I also hid The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out of Its Butt in one of my posts, but I can't find it.

I'm not gonna go back and re-read all those posts even if you hid "I want to make sweet love to Peter".

1 hour ago, Trenton Monette said:

For what it’s worth I’m leaning town in you given your vote on the Joshua bandwagon I talked about earlier. 

I'm not sure why you would lean town on him.  Survivor is usually a neutral role, and giving bulletproof to make it more likely to happen is not unheard of.  That's particularly true if he has to reach a certain day of the game or see that the overall numbers reach a threshold.  I believe the role claim but not the alignment.  If you believe all the role claims, we have 3 blocking and 3 protecting actions.  They can't all be town.

[Vincent Denis]

*Fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom*

13 minutes ago, Peter Lyon said:

I'm not gonna go back and re-read all those posts even if you hid "I want to make sweet love to Peter".

It's the beard  

13 minutes ago, Peter Lyon said:

I'm not sure why you would lean town on him.  Survivor is usually a neutral role, and giving bulletproof to make it more likely to happen is not unheard of.  That's particularly true if he has to reach a certain day of the game or see that the overall numbers reach a threshold.  I believe the role claim but not the alignment.  If you believe all the role claims, we have 3 blocking and 3 protecting actions.  They can't all be town.

What are you suggesting? A lynch to prove if someone is lying about being town or neutral? Not that I could blame anybody who has the same question. Think about this, though: I added the acrostic to my post specifically as the phrase "bulletproof survivor" because I needed to be sure that the role wouldn't confuse a rolecop who targeted me. That's the only reason for me to claim survivor. Oh wait, I see your point, though. Maybe I'd have done it either way, I don't know. And I did admit that I wanted to do a second one and leave the term "Survivor" out of it after getting confirmation from Bob that a rolecop wouldn't see the term "Survivor" and that probably is something I do if I were neutral ... Knowing I'm town, though, I find it interesting that your post suggests you believe that the claim is true but that I'm lying about being neutral, not that you think I'm scum. Every other player who has claimed, except Trenton, has followed it up with their suspicions of who is scum. Since you've only followed up your claim with the suspicion that I'm actually neutral makes me think you're Scum. When Justin was facing the prospect of being lynched, he accused me, and Fabien listed why every one of us might be scum. Every role has a reason to be kept secret, but I'm not sure I understand yours. Every list of potential killers would've benefited from the information you supposedly had. The information that Justin's result came back negative would've helped him a lot since your role should've told us if he had a killing action or not; the psychologist's role tells us if a player has the ability to kill so if the scum can pass the kill ability around, I'd imagine that all scum would give you a positive result.

Last night and the night before you were blocked and there was no kill and it's possible I was the kill target on Night Three. Occam's Razor, which hasn't been applied well yet, but it's still true that the simplest explanation is that you are the Scum killer.

Vote: Peter Lyon  

Everything points to this lynch being our best bet to finally get another Scummo. The new trend in EB Mafia games seems to be that the new Town-tell is to act Scummy and the new Scum-tell is to fly under the radar. Our ability to detect Scum has been severely hindered in this game. Perhaps we're not stepping far enough back to look at the whole picture. Everyone has claimed a role at this point. Two or three of them are liars. Even our blockers and tracker could be scum at this point, though I'm leaning Town on all three of them. Refresh my memory, who was blocked last night besides Peter?

*Fwom fwomma fwom*  Late December back in '63 *Fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwom*

[Andrew Laurent]

You don't need refreshed in the memory - I hadn't said yet who I blocked. I (as agreed to by Fred and Emmett) blocked Aiden. With Fabien lynched, I didn't want to risk the governor resurrecting him, and then he'd have a chance to kill again. At that point, we all believed him scum - even I did, even through I didn't want him to be lynched. If Aiden decided to believe the vig claim (and remember, Aiden never voted for Fabien) and save him, but was wrong, then the scum-killer-Fabien would be free to kill and we would have no way to block it. 

I hadn't said, since I was hoping to see if Aiden would claim being blocked to see if he'd used his ability, but at this point, we need the info on who was blocked all in the open for analysis.

[Robin Tremblay]

I protected Emmett. 

[Andrew Laurent]

Robin, that could explain the lack of kill then - Emmett would be a logical person for the scum to try and kill. A lucky tracking of the killer would be the most condemning evidence against one of them right now. 

[Aiden Leon]

1 hour ago, Andrew Laurent said:

I hadn't said, since I was hoping to see if Aiden would claim being blocked to see if he'd used his ability, but at this point, we need the info on who was blocked all in the open for analysis.

No I still got it. Also I didn't vote for Fabien because of the bit at the end where I thought he could be vengful.

[Vincent Denis]

1 hour ago, Andrew Laurent said:

Robin, that could explain the lack of kill then - Emmett would be a logical person for the scum to try and kill. A lucky tracking of the killer would be the most condemning evidence against one of them right now. 

*Fwom fwom*

I think what Robin has been trying to tell us is that if Emmett had been the target of a killer last night, he would know and possibly we all would know. 

*Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom*

[Robin Tremblay]

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

*Fwom fwom*

I think what Robin has been trying to tell us is that if Emmett had been the target of a killer last night, he would know and possibly we all would know. 

*Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom*

That’s what I thought but Bob clarified that isn’t true. I wouldn’t know if I actually stopped someone. 

[Vincent Denis]

56 minutes ago, Robin Tremblay said:

That’s what I thought but Bob clarified that isn’t true. I wouldn’t know if I actually stopped someone. 

*Fwoooooooooooooom*

 Thanks a lot Occam's Razor! You don't apply to anything. Burn in Hell!

Let's just list everyone again.

Aiden—Governor
Andrew—Vanilljliaiszer
Emmett—Tracker
Fred—Blocker
Peter—Pscyhologist
Robin—Some sort of bonkers protective action that needs heaps of clarification
Trenton—Mason
Vincent—Bulletproof

I still say Peter and Trenton are the most likely Scum. Robin and Aiden would be next on my list. Fred would win for most diabolical Scum act in this game. Emmett and Andrew I'm leaning Town on, so if either one of them is Scum, they're doing a great job at pulling the wool over our eyes.

*Fwoooooooooooooooooooooooom*

[Peter Lyon]

8 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

What are you suggesting? A lynch to prove if someone is lying about being town or neutral?

I'm not suggesting that at all.  If I thought that then I would've voted for you.  I'm convinced you're neutral but also that we should vote for someone we think is scum.

8 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

the psychologist's role tells us if a player has the ability to kill so if the scum can pass the kill ability around, I'd imagine that all scum would give you a positive result.

No, it doesn't tell me if someone has a killing role.  It only tells me if someone has an unused kill ability.  I confirmed that and it's a big drawback to the role.  If someone has already killed, then they look just like any other player who has no ability to kill.  That's precisely why I held out sharing it.  At the start of the game, any scum could potentially give me a positive result, except the night 1 killer if they're successful.

6 hours ago, Andrew Laurent said:

Robin, that could explain the lack of kill then - Emmett would be a logical person for the scum to try and kill. A lucky tracking of the killer would be the most condemning evidence against one of them right now. 

Emmett is a logical kill choice and that could indeed explain the lack of kill last night.  I understand why anyone would think it could be me or Aiden based on the blocks, too, but it wasn't me.  Even with my night 3 result on Aiden, it could be him if he killed on either of the first two nights.  That said, I also think there's a real chance that the scum are choosing not to kill, too, as was suggested earlier.  Maybe Vincent is right and they targeted him night 3, then found the resulting confusion so helpful they're letting it play out.  A night kill would render the blocked players in the clear, and given how many PR's are known, would narrow the rest of the group down significantly.

 

I agree with Vincent that Emmett and Andrew are most likely town.  With Fred, I'm not as convinced.  Unless he and Emmett are both scum, which I don't think so, it's pretty clear that Fred is at least a blocker.  I obviously had suspicions on him early and that's why I targeted him.  Aiden and Trenton both have claims that can't easily be proven, and Robin has been odd.  He said he hasn't used his action much... the first three nights they were unsuccessful.  He claims to have targeted Emmett the last two nights, but that doesn't fit the narrative of not using his actions earlier.

[Trenton Monette]

16 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

The only question I have about this claim is why wait to make the claim if your partner is dead. Why not claim on Day Two after he was killed? Once we got into the nitty-gritty of roleclaims and trying to verify each other, why not claim them? At least a PM to Emmett who seems to be verified. What's the risk of claiming when you're a lone Mason? It might've helped us clear things up earlier, or at least have more reason to believe it. 

I apologise for not claiming earlier. Like I’m said I’m fairly new to all of this and wasn’t sure what to do when are Remi was killed. 

[Bob]

Vote Count:
Peter Lyon - 1 (VIncent Denis) 

About 35 or so hours remain in this day. With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to send someone to the firing line. 

[Vincent Denis]

7 hours ago, Peter Lyon said:

I'm not suggesting that at all.  

I know. I just needed something to talk about to fulfill your acrostic wish. 

7 hours ago, Peter Lyon said:

 I'm convinced you're neutral

Well, I'm not. It's pinging me that you say you're convinced of it. Why? I'm not convinced of anything in this game.

On 4/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Peter Lyon said:

Vincent said he was "typically" for it (very neutral)

It pings me even more since you made this comment back on Day Two. What is very neutral? Is that like extra medium?

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[Andrew Laurent]

Ordinarily I'd be pushing for a Vincent lynch after that claim of his since it is likely a 3rd party role. At this point, we don't have the luxury of that:

If Vincent is 3rd party, then we're likely at 4 town : 3 scum : 1 3rd party. 

If Vincent is town, then we're likely at 5 town : 3 scum. 

If it's the first and we don't lynch a scum, they can win tonight. Lynching the 3rd-party-vincent would be completely irrelevant and would probably give the scum the win. I'd rather have town AND vincent win than have just scum win. 

If it's the second, lynching Vincent hurts the town and lets scum win tonight as well. 

So as far as I'm concerned, lynching Vincent is off the table. It would take serious convincing that he IS scum to change my mind on that. 

 

Looking at others and trying to think of how they could be scum:

Peter/Trenton. I think a lot of us keep mentally lumping you two together. You've both been pretty quiet all game. You've both made fairly weak, unprovable claims today. You could be scum buddies. You could be just quiet (either personality, or real life busyness, or whatever). You could both be noobs. Do I risk the entire game on picking one of you to lynch? Not sure yet. Trenton has been tracked and not seen doing anything. Could have been scum choosing not to kill, or his mason claim could be legit. Peter's been blocked 2 times when there was no kill, so of the two, he's the more likely scum killer IMHO. 

Aiden. You've got an odd role claim that you haven't used. Your vocal beginnings to the game could indicate a godfather hoping to be investigated... and when that never materialized, you claimed governor since that's something we can't really test. You've only been blocked once, and there was no kill that night. You COULD easily be a scum killer. If you're scum, I'm guessing godfather who inherited the kill from Joshua. Your posting level did drop after the first 2 days... 

Robin. Claims limited doctor, but has used it 3 out of 5 days. Not sure what the limits there are - x shot, or what. It's not alternating nights since you protected Emmett 2 nights in a row. That's unusual - in my experience, doctors usually can't protect the same person twice in a row. But bob doesn't follow the normal, so I don't wanna metagame that too much. Was jailed night 2 when there was a scum kill, so not the scum killer. Could be a scum protector though. If so, what if he and Emmett are scum buddies together? Both have roles that could be town or scum. Once we all started to lean town on Emmett, that gave Robin easy excuse to protect him from the vig. And now he can keep up the farce as long as the scum keep not killing to confuse us. 

Emmett. Verified tracking ability (or has a way to get tracking info from a scum buddy) He's never been blocked - so what if they're really messing with us and Emmett is the killer, not using it, and Aiden is a tracker? That seems unnecessarily complicated. More reasonable is that Emmett is scum tracker. I note that he hasn't managed to get any results that have actually helped the town kill scum. He tracked both Fred and me to verify our claims. He tracked Trenton and says he saw nothing - but what if he's lying? What if Trenton was out trying to kill that night and tried to kill Daniel, so he said Trenton did nothing to "clear him?" Let me go check who revealed first on that... nope, that doesn't work, because Emmett gave his results before Fabien claimed.

Gotta run... minor insurrection to put down (kids are fighting) be back to finish going over everyone. 

[Andrew Laurent]

I'm back... 

One I didn't examine yet (and remember, I'm looking at everyone basically assuming they're scum and seeing if that can work)

Fred: We know he can block. Is he a scum blocker? (and yes, pretty much everything I say about him applies the same to me). We really have no way of knowing. He blocked Justin once and he's been proven town, but his other block targets are not. He might be preventing kills. He might be keeping townies from using their abilities. We just don't know. 

 

After all that... assuming 3 of you are scum... My strongest town-reads are Vincent and Emmett. So that means 3 out of Peter, Trenton, Aiden, and Robin are scum. One is town. 

Honestly, I think I'm leaning scum most on

Vote: Aiden

My case above where he could be godfather seems the most plausible to me. With the way he privately claimed to Vincent (metagaming here, but everyone seems to claim to vincent... and so it could again have been hoping to get investigated/tracked/etc to be "cleared") and the way his activity levels have changed... Vincent, when did he claim to you again? Which night? 

[Fred Dumont]

I’m agreeing with Laurent on this one. I’m trusting Vincent as well, and if he’s not town he’s at worst neutral.  Aiden is a good possible scum because no kill happened that night, and he was blocked once. I’m willing to take the risk in voting for him.

Vote: Aiden

[Aiden Leon]

I feel pretty good about Vincent, Andrew, and Emmet. Robin's been strange, Fred has had his scummy bits (like his last post for example), and I forgot Trenton and Peter existed. Mason is lazy, and Pscyhologist is just weird.

5 hours ago, Andrew Laurent said:

Vincent, when did he claim to you again? Which night? 

Night four I believe. I didn't claim as much as I asked him if he'd want to be unlynched if he was lynched in the morning (day five).

I've had trouble finding ways to contribute with the past days being alot about night actions and cordinated blocks. I'm reminded me of Kotz's 24 Mafia which I fucked up so hard for town. 

However if we are in lylo, and if my town reads are good, then I'd say it'd be hard to not catch a scum. (as long it's not me )

Vote: Peter Lyon

 

[Emmett Ware]

I'm gonna ping some people here.

Let's not lynch today. I don't see how we can do it with enough certainty, we're definitely not in a good position, and I'm seriously starting to think that they can't kill anymore or someone would be dead by now.

Unless you can point out one person who absolutely hasn't previously had the opportunity to kill but could now, I'm not placing a vote. We've handed this entire thing to the scum, day after day, including our own strong-arm kill and then the resulting lynch from that.

[Vincent Denis]

*Fwomma fwomma fwom*

This will be the biggest risk I've taken thus far, but the Town deserves all the information it can get at this point and I'll make this that much easier on them.

Yeah, I'm neutral.

I lied about it mostly to try to get away with it. If I left the "Survivor" part out of the claim, I ran the risk of somebody looking at my post and finding it and saying "Hey Vincent, why do the next 8 sentences spell 'Survivor?'"

If Fabien had flipped Scum, which I fully expected, I would've pretended to have been neutralized by his death and would've pretended to believe that he was a vengeful Scum and since I was bulletproof, he'd have just turned me neutral instead of killing me since I was bulleproof. I would've pretended that was my best guess, anyway. But the intention would've been to draw out the last Scum who would hardly be able to help himself from calling me out for lying. As I was posting my claim, which I was making to explain my bulletproofiness and explain away the word "Survivor" in my acrostic post, I quoted Peter's post where he called me "very neutral." That's what sparked my initial conversation with Bob. I asked how an investigator would see me and he confirmed I would be seen as "not Imperial Soldier." So only then did I ask what a rolecop would see me as and he said what I told you that I would be seen as having no Action and not Survivor and not even bulletproof. The rest of the story scans from there. I wanted to compose an acrostic post that left out "Survivor" but I didn't get around to it before Daniel revealed his and pride really did prevent me from composing a new one after that. Ooops. Stupid pride... I went forward with the lie, because it is a lie-sorry, that I'm not neutral, not only to try and squeeze by without admitting it, but also to see if Peter's post on Day Two did mean something. Here's the post I'm referring to, for reference:

On 4/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Peter Lyon said:

Vincent said he was "typically" for it (very neutral)

I had completely forgotten about this until I was preparing my claim. I ended up deciding to leave the Survivor part in because it had the dual purpose of giving me the opportunity to try to get away with it, but also seeing how Peter (and anyone else) might react to it. I was waiting for more, but Peter seems the type to wait to see how things are going, so maybe this is the most he would ever let slip but comparing these two statements gives me the feeling that he knows that I'm neutral:

On 5/1/2020 at 1:49 PM, Peter Lyon said:

I believe the role claim but not the alignment. 

18 hours ago, Peter Lyon said:

I'm convinced you're neutral but also that we should vote for someone we think is scum.

Peter, who has made all of 24 posts, is convinced that I'm neutral. Why? And why did he choose that word on Day Two and has he been convinced of this for five days? Do the Scum have some sort of investigative Action? Did they target me on Night One with it? If so, why would Peter drop a hint in the thread to potentially connect with me? What would he get from it? If he knew I was neutral (and would therefore be Scum and the whole team would also know) would he also know I was bulletproof? Therefore, would the Scum try to target me for a night kill? On Night Three, they might have if they only knew I was neutral. That would give Daniel the confidence that he was onto something with me. I will take a sentence to say that that would be false confidence because his case was based on me knowing who the Scum were, which I didn't and still don't. That would also then give him the political capital to lynch Aiden and Emmett, the other two people he was convinced were Scum, based on learning that I wasn't Town, which if they're Town, gives the Scum a motive. While, on one hand that's asinine because me being neutral should not implicate anybody else, on the other hand it at least gives him the fuel to keep pushing on his suspicions and continue to mislead and confuse the Town, as a Townie. If they also knew I was bulletproof or Peter is a Townie who just used neutral in its common sense, well then, fuck. 

But here's a proposed solution. I've never been convinced on Aiden one way or the other, although I lean Town on him. That's the beauty of Trekkie's Aiden's game, he plays basically the same no matter what side he's on which always leaves him in the perfect position not to be night-killed as Town and not to be found if he's Scum. As I've mentioned, I'm neutral, so I find myself in a spot unable to read him. He did admit to only offering to use his action on me, if I was lynched, to piss off Daniel, which is Scummy since it would've just cause more confusing and chaotic walls of text from Daniel.

So, lynch me.

I'm not a suicidal Townie. I'm a suicidal Survivor. The other part of pretending to be Town was that Bob is the host and Bob made me a neutral Survivor so I should respect his game setup by not revealing that. That's like 10% of why I chose to lie. Sorry, Bob. I'm claiming Neutral. I fully reject the idea of a bulletproof Survivor. Again, sorry Bob, just my opinion from a mechanics standpoint. Here's what Mafia Scum has to say about Survivor. Note the part where it says, "Not many people want to play as one." True. It also says that it's slightly less than a Mafia goon as it doesn't benefit the Town. So that's something the Town needs to be aware of: you're one less number than you think. I think my existence proves that there are two Scum left, not three, although—who knows?? Maybe Bob left the number at three, but tried to give them the benefit of having a neutral in the numbers. Look what else Mafia Scum says about the existence of a Survivor: "The Survivor can't be too much of a help to the Town or else they will get killed at Night;" but I'm bulletproof so I ignored Mafia Scum's advice of how to play a Survivor: "playing as Survivor requires the player to pace themselves." Yeah, no. Being bulletproof gave me the ability to come out swinging, play as Town, and Scum-hunt. Until Daniel. Then, I was just  not playing as anything but trying to calm down a total psycho. Or, to be fair, a good person choosing to play the game like what EB-Mafia regulars would view as a psycho.

So, why lynch me? LyLo comes early with my existence, so you get a free night to learn more. One more night to block Peter, the guy convinced that I'm neutral before I admitted it and block Aiden again. This gives you one more night to discern if Aiden is a good lynch. I'm defending him again with this clarification on my claim, so it will at least show that I really don't know which side he's on. I've also defended Emmett, but you guys are all pretty sure on his alignment. I trust Andrew and Fred too, although Andrew more than Fred. Yes, I'd lose, but I hardly care anymore as long as the Town is re-directed from the chaos and confusion caused by Daniel. I win by out-living Daniel and forging ahead with the EB style of play and sticking to what we know is our way to play this game and that's good, no matter what an outsider berates us for. I can also get back to work, which I need to concentrate more on. Although, I'll probably post walls of text on the dead writeboard and still constantly refresh the day thread. That's my problem, bot yours. 

Peter was blocked for two nights in a row with there being no kill and there's reasonable circumstantial evidence to believe I was the night three kill target. If you look for investigative roles, you will find Absorber, which takes the action of anyone who targets it, or an Anti-Town variation takes the skill of anyone it targets instead of the night kill. Did they take my bulletproofiness away and then try to kill me? Mafia Wiki says the role is useful in Role Madness. Did Bob make his own variation that takes the abilities of anyone it targets? I could ruminate over what-ifs forever by searching Scum Investigative Roles, but there are ways they could've learned who I am on Night One, leading to Peter's post calling me "neutral." That's a tiny suspicion you should all take with a grain of salt as my "big brain" has gotten us absolutely nowhere. But add that to the fact that he was blocked on two nights with no kill and I surmise that he's the best lynch for today. If we mislynch and they kill, our numbers of 5:2:1 goes to 3:2:1 and we really need to get it right tomorrow. If you lynch me and block the right person, you will be at 5:2 tomorrow, with my blessing. If, for some fucked-up reason, it's 4:3:1 and you mislynch and the Scum kill, it's game over. Even if you block the right person and there's no kill, a mislynch gets the game to 3:3:1 which gives the scum the win. 

By the way, Andrew, look at game setups on Mafiawiki, the Scum always win at parity. Scum isn't going to allow a lynch of a Scum at parity and then they eventually win with a night kill, so Town always has to eliminate the Scum and Scum always has to reach parity or outnumber the Town. That's the nature of the game.

I'm neutral. Lynch me or lynch Peter. I honestly think Aiden is too much of an unknown to lynch at this stage. Aiden might be Scum! By all means, nothing has cleared him. But if he's not and you lynch him, you might lose. Lynch me and block Peter and Aiden again, I can almost guarantee you a ticket to Day Seven. Or lynch Peter and block Aiden and Trenton. (Or Robin or Fred or whoever at that point)

Before I stand myself in front of the firing squad, though, I'll also throw out there that besides Fred's seemingly Scummy follow of Andrew, let's look at where people have voted on the wagons. Peter and Trenton have opinions that they haven't followed up with votes. How often have they waited until a wagon has momentum to add their vote? They've been around and haven't voted. What are they waiting for? I've been drinking...in person  .... with friends, so I'm verbose-moreso than usual-and likely to pass out after I eat. When I have time I will follow this up because their behavior of hanging back until today's wagon gets going pings me and I want to see if they've been doing it the last couple days...or the whole game.

*Fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwomma fwomma*  It's the end of the world as we know it! *Fwom fwomma fwooooooooooooooooooooom*