2020 Mindstorms set

[Lebostein]

Which motors/sensors are included? On the images I can see a distance sensor and a color sensor and 4 medium angular motors (one motor at each leg of the "thing" in the front)....

I see no touch sensors and no large angular motors....

Edited June 3, 2020 by Lebostein

[Munchkin255]

The pictures shows 6 wires connected to the hub.

Based on the pictures and what LEGO usually includes in Mindstorms sets I guess that this set will include:

2 Large motors https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=45603-1
1 Medium motor https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=45602-1
1 Distance Sensor https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=45604-1
1 Color Sensor https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=45605-1

I am a little in doubt if the last electric part is a second medium motor or a Force Sensor  (Part 45606-1).
I hope for a Force Sensor, as this would give more possibilities with regard to programming.

 

[Lyichir]

I for one am thrilled to see the grand return of teal in Technic.

This looks fun and probably a little bit more up my alley than the very education-focused Spike Prime, but I'm not sure whether it'd be worth getting for me. I got an EV3 set at a discount back in 2015 but ultimately never ended up using it much... I just don't have that much patience for programming when I don't have a specific vision in mind. I do like the improved form factor and mostly neutral colors of the motors, sensors, and hub in this set, which make me feel like I could possibly make better use of these in System or Technic MOCs... but ultimately I don't do enough of those sorts of MOCs these days anyway, so I'm not sure this would change that in any meaningful way.

[GianCann]

Stay safe @Munchkin255: It's a Force Sensor ;)

[Alitai]

Meanwhile:

I found something interesting...

https://www.lego.com/de-de/legal/notices-and-policies/compliance/battery-documentation/

All Battery for Sets: Product 45601, Product 45610 and Product 45678 finished at 19. March 2019.

but for Set Product 51515 it finished at 27. April 2020.

[GrandiJoos]

4 minutes ago, Alitai said:

Meanwhile:

I found something interesting...

https://www.lego.com/de-de/legal/notices-and-policies/compliance/battery-documentation/

All Battery for Sets: Product 45601, Product 45610 and Product 45678 finished at 19. March 2019.

but for Set Product 51515 it finished at 27. April 2020.

Nice find! But although the tests are done a year later, the battery is exactly the same type as in the Spike Prime set.

[Mr Hobbles]

Interesting find! If you look at the numbers:

45601 - SPIKE Prime Hub
45610 - SPIKE Prime Battery
45678 - SPIKE Prime Set

The battery itself is named "Battery No 2."

For 51515, the battery is named "Battery No 6."

Interestingly though the test documentation for both has the same sample number, LGOYN57, with the same statistics. So I think perhaps because the battery changed color (yellow to teal), it required to go through a new approval process and production run?

It does make me wonder what batteries 1, 3, 4, and 5 are for though! :D

[Tcm0]

1 hour ago, Mr Hobbles said:

It does make me wonder what batteries 1, 3, 4, and 5 are for though! :D

We might see that in the future - or maybe not. Did you know that Powered Up hubs are numbered? E.g. Hub no. 2 is the control+ technic hub.

[GrandiJoos]

1 hour ago, Mr Hobbles said:

 So I think perhaps because the battery changed color (yellow to teal), it required to go through a new approval process and production run?

That could very well be the reason, but if it's an internal irreplaceable battery as suggested earlier in this thread, why would they change the color and need to have it tested again?

[Mr Hobbles]

8 minutes ago, GrandiJoos said:

That could very well be the reason, but if it's an internal irreplaceable battery as suggested earlier in this thread, why would they change the color and need to have it tested again?

I don't think they did - look at the test results sheet (in Chinese) listed under both. Same battery model, and same testing date. I think they submitted the results from the first battery for the second.

I think maybe internally (and regulatory), it had to go through seperate approvals, but it was enough to submit the same test results. It'll have a different SKU internally too.

[dr_spock]

It is good to see no F (fire) in the test results column. 

 

[Coder Shah]

23 hours ago, Lebostein said:

Which motors/sensors are included? On the images I can see a distance sensor and a color sensor and 4 medium angular motors (one motor at each leg of the "thing" in the front)....

I see no touch sensors and no large angular motors....

I think you're right. 4 small motors, ultrasonic sensor and color sensor.

BTW I think the "thing" is supposed to be a robot dog, like the Boston Dynamics Spot.

 

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Coder Shah
fix grammar error and put in link to spot.

[GrandiJoos]

4 hours ago, Coder Shah said:

I think you're right. 4 small motors, ultrasonic sensor and color sensor.

BTW I think the "thing" is supposed to be a robot dog, the the Boston Dynamics Spot.

I also noticed the remote control symbol on the box. Since no physical remote is shown I guess they mean via smartphone and not a Bluetooth remote, unfortunately.

Edited June 4, 2020 by GrandiJoos

[GianCann]

17 hours ago, Lebostein said:

I see no touch sensors and no large angular motors

I'm looking better the images and you say right.

But i don't want to think that this set is lack from the Large Angular Motor and the Touch-Force Sensor.

Especially if this set is the EV3 successor...

 

[Tcm0]

There is a slim possibility that the set contains 3 sensors and 4 motors. The ports are I/O after all.

[Coder Shah]

16 minutes ago, Tcm0 said:

There is a slim possibility that the set contains 3 sensors and 4 motors. The ports are I/O after all.

I hope you're right, but if it doesn't it's nice to know you can buy the motor and sensor separately.

https://education.lego.com/en-us/products/lego-technic-large-angular-motor/45602

https://education.lego.com/en-us/products/lego-technic-force-sensor/45606

 

4 hours ago, GrandiJoos said:

I also noticed the remote control symbol on the box. Since no physical remote is shown I guess they mean via smartphone and not a Bluetooth remote, unfortunately.

Or possibly it means it can be paired with a game controller.

[Lok24]

There are some things that are very different from EV3

- battery can only be loaded in the hub
- no other batteries can be used
- cables are shorter
- no user interface to display text or pictures
- programms on hub can only be identified via numbers (in standalone mode)

Software (as far as I understood from Spike Scratch)

- can sounds (except beep) played on the Hub?
- CompositeBlocks cannot be shown and stored seperate from main prog
- no documention within the project(like LabVIEW does)
- software buggy (freezes, has to be restarted)
- no "save" function or close without changes, every mistake ot test is saved immediately

In my opinion a real bad alternative to the EV3.

I've been around the last years on events  to let children play and program with the EV3 and the Boost set and recommend it to the families.

With my knowledge of today I would not do that with the 51515.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Lok24

[Tcm0]

2 hours ago, Coder Shah said:

I hope you're right, but if it doesn't it's nice to know you can buy the motor and sensor separately.

https://education.lego.com/en-us/products/lego-technic-large-angular-motor/45602

https://education.lego.com/en-us/products/lego-technic-force-sensor/45606

I think that the large angular motor will be available seperatly for normal customers in the future. One angular motor will be included in a technic set this summer wave if I am informed correctly (but I'm not sure if it's the large or the small one).

2 hours ago, Coder Shah said:

Or possibly it means it can be paired with a game controller.

Would be great but I doubt it. Beeing able to use game controllers with SPIKE (or powered up app) would solve so many problems.

1 hour ago, Lok24 said:

- no user interface to display text or pictures

That's not entirely true. You can use a software console with SPIKE python (which is officially supported since the last app update).

1 hour ago, Lok24 said:

- can sounds (except beep) played on the Hub?

It can be done in python (https://github.com/nutki/spike-tools see convert_sound.py) however it didn't work for me.

1 hour ago, Lok24 said:

- no documention within the project(like LabVIEW does)

You can add notes

[Lok24]

5 minutes ago, Tcm0 said:

That's not entirely true. You can use a software console with SPIKE python (which is officially supported since the last app update).

It can be done in python (https://github.com/nutki/spike-tools see convert_sound.py) however it didn't work for me.

 

Yes, but as I wrote I referred to the Scratch-Version.

6 minutes ago, Tcm0 said:

You can add notes

Yes, within the code.

But labView offers a documentation tool, where you can add pictures, videos, text, sounds, tables, building instructions and so on to document your work. And that all is part of the project.
That ist very different from a note in the code.

 

[Alitai]

新上市 = New Listing

六月 = June and not August...

Edited June 4, 2020 by Alitai

[Coder Shah]

2 hours ago, Alitai said:

新上市 = New Listing

六月 = June and not August...

Thanks. What about the text in the box with the remote control icon?

4 hours ago, Lok24 said:

- can sounds (except beep) played on the Hub?

Clicking on the sound block shows a menu that allows you to record sound but it wasn't working for me. You can see a short video clip here:

 

 

I've emailed LEGO Customer support.

4 hours ago, Lok24 said:

There are some things that are very different from EV3

- battery can only be loaded in the hub
- no other batteries can be used
 

True but I do like being able to charge the battery from my computer.

4 hours ago, Lok24 said:

- cables are shorter

Agree with you but I like the fact they're more flexible and easier to manipulate. An extension cable would be great though.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Coder Shah
added tweet showing how to record audio

[Coder Shah]

3 hours ago, Lok24 said:

- no user interface to display text or pictures
 

Do you mean on the brick? Yeah that's true but I've seen some fun things that can be done with the 5 x 5 display. It's also bright and easy to see even if the robot is some distance away. 

[Lok24]

Just now, Coder Shah said:

Do you mean on the brick?

Yes. The point is: not all models must be robots driving around.

Think about a warehouse where you can use the EV3 to display the available goods and navigate through them via the 5 buttons, i.E.

 

[Coder Shah]

3 hours ago, Lok24 said:

- software buggy (freezes, has to be restarted)

Well it's new software. Boost software also had issues initially but most of it have been resolved. I also like the fact that it's identical across platforms. Never understood why the EV3 software on computers are different from the one on tablets.

 

[Lok24]

4 minutes ago, Coder Shah said:

Well it's new software.

I don't agree. It is sold for a while for much money to schools, but how should children learn about robotic, if they can't be sure if its's their fault or a buggy software?

Just my opinion.

And it's not one software, because the Boost/Powered Up is different.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Lok24