Fred Dumont Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Trenton targeting Emmett on Night Four would make sense with Peter being blocked, Robin protecting Emmett and Emmett tracking Trenton with the result of "no target." Yeah, I think Andrew lied about blocking Trenton and thought Robin's death would give them the win and the conclusion would be up, thus the swearing at the start of Day Seven. @Fred Dumont Do you think we should switch to Andrew? That would be the safest lynch in case my second possibility listed above is true. @Emmett Ware would you be willing to switch to Andrew so that Fred and I can feel safe that there will be a Day Nine? @Peter Lyon Would you be willing to vote for Andrew? If Emmett is Scum, he's either working alone or with Andrew. In that case, even if Andrew is Town, there will be a Day Nine for us to get Emmett. I don't see a scenario where you would be Scum working alone, so if Andrew flips Town, it's most likely Emmett that is the remaining Scum. *Fwooooooooooom* I honestly believe switching to Mr. Laurent is the best option. I have the feeling he is scum, and he infiltrated (or rather started)a town block.
Peter Lyon Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Vincent, I can't access your spreadsheet. You'll need to open it up publicly or post a screenshot. I don't understand why you're considering Fred only in the context of him being the last scum. We have to consider him having a teammate out there as well. Shoot, we have to consider the possibility that we're at lylo today just like we had to consider it yesterday. Backing up a bit... 4 hours ago, Andrew Laurent said: If I'm town, which I am, then I'm voting for a scum right now. Let me go over it again. I'm town. I blocked Peter last night, so he's not the scum killer. Who could be? Aiden's dead and town, so not him. Emmett? We've gotten tracking info from him. Fred we've gotten block info from. That leaves Vincent. And if Vincent is the killer, then Emmett is in on it since Emmett claims to have been blocked last night. Or Fred has to be in on it, having blocked Emmett. Emmett's being blocked is what I think is fishy. While it's clear to me that one of our blockers is lying, they're both consistent with Emmett needing to cover his tracks. He can be teammates with either blocker. I don't think Bob would let the blockers keep blocking and perform a kill if there are two scum remaining, so Emmett needed to have an excuse to not report an action. I think he was looking for an out to not have to track Fred, track Vincent instead, but since no one confirmed that change he wasn't sure what to report. Ultimately he comes in and says he was blocked so he can avoid the direct question. Why would he suddenly want to track Vincent if he hadn't had any sort of suspicion on Vincent recently? 4 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: Are you guys even going to cite this as a reason to trust Fred? Why did I have to pull this out? If Peter is telling the truth, then Fred never had the ability to kill. If Peter is Scum, he's thrown Fred in the mix of his fake results. If he's Scum, he's telling the truth about Fred, who if he's Town, would know that that "result" would be accurate. I can barely follow that sentence myself. None of my results are fake, but my action doesn't quite work like you think. It can be used only to identify scum who haven't killed and can kill. It's entirely possible Fred came up negative because he's a blocker who can't kill, or couldn't at the time. The whole point of my role, as I understand it, is that there are ways for the scum not to get caught by it. It's intentionally weaker. 1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said: 1. Fred cannot be Scum alone if Peter is Town. If Peter is Town, he got the Psychologist result of negative on Night Two, meaning Fred did not have an unused killing ability at that time. We have proof through confirmation that Fred has the ability to block, so if Peter is Town, then the result is true and Fred is unable to be a killer. Period. 2. Emmet could be a killer. For this to be true, it takes a lot of what-ifs, but I'll try to make it concise. a. Emmett is the killer and the last Scum remaining. Emmett started as Scum Tracker and after Joshua was lynched, he was in the Town Block so he could track while Trenton sat around doing nothing. In this scenario, the Scum could move their kill around and Trenton killed Jean while Emmett tracked Daniel, who he saw targeting Robin, which we all have confirmation on. The other possibility is that the Scum see their results at the same time and Emmett has been the killer the whole time, getting the tracking information from Trenton's results. This would mean Andrew did block Trenton and Emmett was able to guess the result that Aiden tracked nobody, based on Aiden repeatedly telling us that he doesn't target anyone. Having the knowledge of who has been blocked, Emmett could frame three non-Scum as killers knowing that three of them were targeted for blocks in one night. If this is the case, he could continue the gambit when Peter was thrown into the mix. Not voting for a couple of days makes it harder to analyze his votes. If Emmett is Scum alone, then we can afford to lynch Peter. If Peter flips Town, then Emmett is Scum. b. Emmett and Andrew are working together. Andrew blocked Peter to prove he was a blocker and get confirmation from Peter that he was blocked. Emmett pretended to be blocked but actually killed Aiden. This gave them the opportunity to confuse us by going after each other and putting some distance between the two of them. If this is the case, we can solve both conundrums by lynching Andrew instead of Peter. If Emmett and Andrew are working together, lynching Peter gives them the win. If we lynch Andrew and he flips Scum and the game continues, we can decipher from there who Andrew was working with by hoping that Fred blocks the right person. Why are you ignoring the chance that Fred is working with Emmett? To me, I think we need to kill Emmett and have the blockers block each other tonight. I think it's just as likely that Fred has been working with Emmett as Andrew. The common denominator for me is Emmett, not Andrew. If I need to vote for Andrew, I can, but I'm keeping my vote on Emmett for now. 10 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: If Emmett is Scum, he's either working alone or with Andrew. In that case, even if Andrew is Town, there will be a Day Nine for us to get Emmett. If Emmett is working alone then we can end this right here. If Andrew comes up town we'll be at a coin flip tomorrow and either me or Fred, whoever's left, is going to get lynched and lose us the game. You're going to lynch Fred if he's the last blocker and you'll lynch me before Emmett because you've been wanting to lynch me for ages now. I would rather go into tonight knowing we have at least one town blocker alive than a tracker. The tracker can't do anything to stop a kill and the blocker at least has a chance.
Vincent Denis Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Peter Lyon said: It can be used only to identify scum who haven't killed and can kill. I would imagine every member of the Scum team would give you a positive result. Even if they're a blocker, they'd have the ability to kill if they're the last Scum, so that should give you a positive result, right? Psychologist. Now I'm going to wrack my brain trying to figure out if Emmett and Fred could be working together as a Scum team... *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*
Emmett Ware Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 I scanned for my name, but it appeared far too often. I will address two things that stuck out. 1. Switching is idiotic. Andrew almost certainly is a blocker, scummy as it is. The fact that he didn't use it to block Peter, but me instead, and Aiden was killed, means Peter should be the target for today, with Fred blocking Andrew tonight. 2. I've established that I'm the tracker day after day, sometimes giving results first, sometimes just confirming them, but in every way I possibly can. To this day, outside the blockers, no one can even vaguely confirm their roles. Obviously no one can prove alignment, so that's a whole different issue, but I do find the idea of a scum tracker far-fetched at best. The charts are blinding to me, so good luck there. I will add, the other reason to kill Aiden and not me was the difficulty they would have had lynching him, given his ability to come back. He needed to be a night kill. 4 hours ago, Peter Lyon said: Why are you ignoring the chance that Fred is working with Emmett? Fred has followed the instructions from Andrew like a puppy. Andrew wants to blame his plan on Vincent, but if he thinks Vincent is scummy, why has he been following them? 4 hours ago, Peter Lyon said: To me, I think we need to kill Emmett and have the blockers block each other tonight. That's the most transparently scummy plan possible. Kill the only source of information we have and trust that both blockers will do what you say when it's clear that one of them is scum and the other one just follows directions from him, like last night, which resulted in the killer being free to kill Aiden. Given that blocking me framed Fred, I'll still guarantee it was Andrew who did the block. Also consider this, Andrew claims he didn't trust my switch to tracking Vincent, so he had to block me to make sure I didn't track you. There weren't many possibilities left. Who would you kill tonight? Would you even have to if you got me lynched? There can't be many of us left in the town. Your desperation is obvious. You must be so close to winning, and yet, so far.
Vincent Denis Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 43 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said: I scanned for my name, but it appeared far too often. I will address two things that stuck out. 1. Switching is idiotic. Andrew almost certainly is a blocker, scummy as it is. The fact that he didn't use it to block Peter, but me instead, and Aiden was killed, means Peter should be the target for today, with Fred blocking Andrew tonight. 2. I've established that I'm the tracker day after day, sometimes giving results first, sometimes just confirming them, but in every way I possibly can. To this day, outside the blockers, no one can even vaguely confirm their roles. Obviously no one can prove alignment, so that's a whole different issue, but I do find the idea of a scum tracker far-fetched at best. The charts are blinding to me, so good luck there. I will add, the other reason to kill Aiden and not me was the difficulty they would have had lynching him, given his ability to come back. He needed to be a night kill. *Fwomma fwomma — Well, your dismissive and stubborn attitude sucks, and your reasoning is slightly off too, at least according to Mafia Scum Wiki: Tracker —can be either alignment. We've seen it in games on EB. Tracker helps the Scum learn who has a Power Role and gives them an idea of who to kill or if the Scum have been targeted. If you believe so strongly that Andrew and Peter are Scum, then why not switch to Andrew? What's the difference if we lynch Andrew and block Peter. It's not idiotic, it's covering all of our bases. You say yourself, no one can prove alignment. 22 hours ago, Emmett Ware said: If I had tracked Fred, as you wanted, I would have seen Fred target him and run here to declare him the killer. Would you have, though? Fred admitted to targeting Aiden. You don't need a tracking result on Fred to think he killed Aiden, he admitted to targeting him. So, why would you think this? If you looked at the charts or thought about the Night Action results in whatever method works best for you, you'd see that it's very likely the Scum were trying to kill you. Add to that the fact that Andrew and Peter are both trying to make a thing out of you switching your target to me, and Peter doing it after I already showed the PM where we came up with the plan, makes it look like they wanted you to look Scummy, just by being alive and are much more likely the Scum than you. However, it's easier to see this clearly if you're not going to hold your breath over lynching Peter first. If you don't have a good reason to do so, you're making it harder for us to see things clearly by resisting switching today's lynch to Andrew. I would never unvote Peter to vote for you, so if you're Scum and that's they way you want it to go, I guess you're going to succeed. If your resistance is just a shadow of crappy behavior, fine, I guess. But it's giving me pause and I'd prefer to not have any pause and for this game to end soon...before I create another fucking spreadsheet. *Fwomma fwomma fwom, Fwomma fwom* We've got some work to do now!
Emmett Ware Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said: Tracker helps the Scum learn who has a Power Role and gives them an idea of who to kill or if the Scum have been targeted. But remember, this was theoretically, at least as you all led me to believe, role madness, so for a while we thought everyone had a role and then it was only Alex who didn't. I don't get any information except "targeted" which would be useless for the scum in this game, at least I don't see how it helps. It barely helps town. 1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said: Would you have, though? Fred admitted to targeting Aiden. You don't need a tracking result on Fred to think he killed Aiden, he admitted to targeting him. So, why would you think this? I'll give you that. I have been a little stubborn, mostly from frustration. Night after night I've tracked morons doing nothing obvious and had I gone with Andrew's plan (which he is now pawning off on you), it would have been my first seemingly meaningful result, and somehow that feels wrong, like a setup. It makes sense, given the situation, that hasn't changed, but your point does make it a little more confusing. Thought really, even Fred admitting to targeting Aiden might have been enough to get him killed, since we had the same situation previously with whoever it was who targeted Jean. I don't remember and I'm not looking, but I know that alone was fairly damning and he ended up lynched. Throw me tracking Fred to Aiden and would we even be discussing this now, or would he already be lynched? I still think so, and I think that would have been a mistake. 1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said: If you looked at the charts or thought about the Night Action results in whatever method works best for you, you'd see that it's very likely the Scum were trying to kill you. Add to that the fact that Andrew and Peter are both trying to make a thing out of you switching your target to me, and Peter doing it after I already showed the PM where we came up with the plan, makes it look like they wanted you to look Scummy, just by being alive and are much more likely the Scum than you. However, it's easier to see this clearly if you're not going to hold your breath over lynching Peter first. If you don't have a good reason to do so, you're making it harder for us to see things clearly by resisting switching today's lynch to Andrew. * Non game note here: I can't really look at the charts, I wasn't kidding, they blind me. I am legitimately going blind IRL and it just isn't worth it * Back to matters. Fred: If you absolutely promise to block Peter tonight, and sincerely think Andrew is the better choice for today, I'll switch. I don't think it's as smart, but I am convinced that they are the remaining scum, so that's a compromise I can accept. I really believe Andrew is a blocker, so lynching the killer makes more sense, but I can cooperate if it makes everyone more comfortable. 2 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: If your resistance is just a shadow of crappy behavior, fine, I guess. But it's giving me pause and I'd prefer to not have any pause and for this game to end soon...before I create another fucking spreadsheet. Cute. Finck. And hell no, no more spreadshits. I'll switch if Fred promises to prevent another death tonight by blocking Peter. I still don't see how that is the better plan, but I'd rather have a town in agreement than not.
Bob Posted May 12, 2020 Author Posted May 12, 2020 Vote Count: Peter Lyon - 3 (Emmett Ware, Vincent Denis, Fred Dumont) Vincent Denis - 1 (Andrew Laurent) Emmett Ware - 1 (Peter Lyon) Three votes are required to lynch. About 32 hours remain.
Bob Posted May 12, 2020 Author Posted May 12, 2020 "Alright everyone, just like we practiced." "But Vincent, we didn't practice." Fred said. "And a one, and a two, and a..." FWOOOOOOOOM HOOOONKK FLEEEEE BANG CRASH SLAM SCREECH WRRRRR "I think that went rather well." Emmett said. "Yeah!" Peter added. "We're going to need a lot more practice if we want to win the battle of the bands competition next month." Vincent sighed. About 25 hours remain in this day.
Vincent Denis Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 15 hours ago, Emmett Ware said: But remember, this was theoretically, at least as you all led me to believe, role madness, so for a while we thought everyone had a role and then it was only Alex who didn't. I don't get any information except "targeted" which would be useless for the scum in this game, at least I don't see how it helps. It barely helps town. I'll give you that. I have been a little stubborn, mostly from frustration. Night after night I've tracked morons doing nothing obvious and had I gone with Andrew's plan (which he is now pawning off on you), it would have been my first seemingly meaningful result, and somehow that feels wrong, like a setup. It makes sense, given the situation, that hasn't changed, but your point does make it a little more confusing. Thought really, even Fred admitting to targeting Aiden might have been enough to get him killed, since we had the same situation previously with whoever it was who targeted Jean. I don't remember and I'm not looking, but I know that alone was fairly damning and he ended up lynched. Throw me tracking Fred to Aiden and would we even be discussing this now, or would he already be lynched? I still think so, and I think that would have been a mistake. * Non game note here: I can't really look at the charts, I wasn't kidding, they blind me. I am legitimately going blind IRL and it just isn't worth it * Back to matters. Fred: If you absolutely promise to block Peter tonight, and sincerely think Andrew is the better choice for today, I'll switch. I don't think it's as smart, but I am convinced that they are the remaining scum, so that's a compromise I can accept. I really believe Andrew is a blocker, so lynching the killer makes more sense, but I can cooperate if it makes everyone more comfortable. Cute. Finck. And hell no, no more spreadshits. I'll switch if Fred promises to prevent another death tonight by blocking Peter. I still don't see how that is the better plan, but I'd rather have a town in agreement than not. *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* Your willingness makes me feel a lot better. I'd also be willing to switch if we can get Fred here in time. Not sure it's possible to get us lined up for some reason. 24 hours seems like a short amount of time to switch the lynch. It's not crystal clear why, but it seems like we're all three in vastly different time zones or sleep schedules. I do think Andrew and Peter are both Scum so it shouldn't matter which one we start with. I just have that 20% fear that Andrew and Emmett are working together and I'll find out in the conclusion and think "I should've followed through on my instincts." But whatever at this point. These days are forever. If we lynch either one of them 24 hours from now, it will still take another 2 days to find out what happened and while I'm finally enjoying this game, the thought of it going on for that much longer is kind of grating. In the mean time, I'd hate to screw up some re-vote and end up not lynching anybody. *Fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom*
Andrew Laurent Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 20 hours ago, Emmett Ware said: I will add, the other reason to kill Aiden and not me was the difficulty they would have had lynching him, given his ability to come back. He needed to be a night kill. This is such bad logic. Yes, Aiden would have to be a night kill. But from a scum perspective, AIDEN DOESN'T NEED TO DIE. His role is virtually no threat to the scum. Yours IS. You keep claiming I blocked you. If I'm scum, why would I have done that over just killing you? Then I REALLY wouldn't have to worry about who you tracked last night. Much simpler, and your logic that killing you would have caused a "who's the scum" between Fred and I doesn't hold either. Yes, you dying last night would have caused that debate. But we're having it anyway, so killing you vs killing Aiden doesn't affect that. 20 hours ago, Emmett Ware said: Fred has followed the instructions from Andrew like a puppy. Andrew wants to blame his plan on Vincent, but if he thinks Vincent is scummy, why has he been following them? I have been discussing things with Vincent for days. I passed along his suggestion last night because at the time, I was believing his neutral claim and was trying to let someone OTHER than me pick who did what so that we WOULDN'T be having this debate today about how scummy I look. Obviously I screwed up in trusting him.
Fred Dumont Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 I see Mr. Laurent trying to save his scum game in his posts. I do see the folly of switching the vote to the supposed scum blocker(Laurent) instead of the killer, but if we have both of them in our sights, I'd just block Mr. Lyon or whoever survives the day. If we are to switch our votes... Unvote: Peter Lyon Vote: Andrew Laurent And don't worry, I'm blocking Mr. Lyon tonight.
Peter Lyon Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 21 hours ago, Emmett Ware said: Kill the only source of information we have and trust that both blockers will do what you say when it's clear that one of them is scum and the other one just follows directions from him, like last night, which resulted in the killer being free to kill Aiden. Given that blocking me framed Fred, I'll still guarantee it was Andrew who did the block. Also consider this, Andrew claims he didn't trust my switch to tracking Vincent, so he had to block me to make sure I didn't track you. There weren't many possibilities left. You have admitted you've had no meaningful result for days now. Your tracking targets have all been people with no active night action or actions that you already knew. There's no reason to think you're still even using your tracking ability. When you're dead, the scum blocker will have to kill. It's as simple as that. The town blocker, whichever one it is, will know that the other blocker is the last scum, so their target is clear. I'll make the switch to Andrew... better him than me as it'll at least give us a shot, but I still think that Emmett is the better choice. Unvote: Emmett Ware Vote: Andrew Laurent
Vincent Denis Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* Okedokee. All the analysis isn't helping me from not freaking out that I haven't analyzed it incorrectly or perhaps from one tunnel. Yesterday was a damn long spreadsheet day, though. I'm kind of spent. Unvote: Peter Lyon Vote Andrew: Laurent I think the idea that we need to take out the killer is preposterous. If we're right and they're both Scum, Andrew would inherit the kill tonight anyway. I mean to add, "DUUUUUUUUH!" but that would be rude. *Fwomma fwom fwomma fwomma. Fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwom* 'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance *Fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom* 7 minutes ago, Peter Lyon said: I'll make the switch to Andrew... better him than me as it'll at least give us a shot, but I still think that Emmett is the better choice. Unvote: Emmett Ware Vote: Andrew Laurent Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum...but how can you justify that vote if you say you were unsuccessful. If you want to stick to that story, there's no way you should think Andrew should be lynched. *Fwomma fwom*
Emmett Ware Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, Peter Lyon said: I'll make the switch to Andrew... better him than me as it'll at least give us a shot, but I still think that Emmett is the better choice. Unvote: Emmett Ware Vote: Andrew Laurent How exactly will it "give us a shot"? Sounds more like either trying to trick people into splitting the vote at the last minute, or thinking it will sell the town blocker on the idea that they don't need to block you. But no one would be stupid enough to follow your vote, would they? 45 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Unvote: Peter Lyon Vote Andrew: Laurent Sonofa... Five minutes after someone you agree is scum changes their vote to save themselves, you follow? Without Fred's assurance he'll block Peter, and without even being sure he'll be around to make the switch in vote? That's pretty damn suspicious. Think about why they are trying to delay their own death, maybe they have one strongarm kill of their own and know they can't be blocked tonight. It's entirely possible with the way the roles have been in this game. I know you win either way if you're really neutral, but don't throw this away now... 48 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: I think the idea that we need to take out the killer is preposterous. If we're right and they're both Scum, Andrew would inherit the kill tonight anyway. I mean to add, "DUUUUUUUUH!" but that would be rude. Do you honestly think our host would stack the game so heavily in favour of the scum as to let them pass on the kill forever? It could easily be a case of some assigned roles, like the scum blocker, and some basic goons who can be assigned or inherit roles, like killer. There is no reason to assume that they'll get another night kill if we lynch the killer. There is no way mafia has changed so much in the time I've been gone as to invalidate this, I played too many games with this exact setup. 51 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum...but how can you justify that vote if you say you were unsuccessful. If you want to stick to that story, there's no way you should think Andrew should be lynched. And then you make sense again, but still leave your vote where it is. God, I hate you mafia. Wait, nevermind some of that, I missed Fred's post. Did I mention I hate mafia? Sigh. It still doesn't make as much sense this way, but fine, I agreed to this. Unvote: Peter Lyon Vote: Andrew Laurent 2 hours ago, Andrew Laurent said: I have been discussing things with Vincent for days. I passed along his suggestion last night because at the time, I was believing his neutral claim and was trying to let someone OTHER than me pick who did what so that we WOULDN'T be having this debate today about how scummy I look. Obviously I screwed up in trusting him. At least you said something this stupid to make me feel better about the switch. How exactly would letting a neutral decide the town actions make you look less scummy? All it did was give you someone to blame.
Vincent Denis Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said: Sonofa... Five minutes after someone you agree is scum changes their vote to save themselves, you follow? Without Fred's assurance he'll block Peter, and without even being sure he'll be around to make the switch in vote? I know the post doesn't have your name in it, so take a look at this, ya' dick: 1 hour ago, Fred Dumont said: I see Mr. Laurent trying to save his scum game in his posts. I do see the folly of switching the vote to the supposed scum blocker(Laurent) instead of the killer, but if we have both of them in our sights, I'd just block Mr. Lyon or whoever survives the day. If we are to switch our votes... Unvote: Peter Lyon Vote: Andrew Laurent And don't worry, I'm blocking Mr. Lyon tonight. That was before Fred or I switched. You caught up, now? Jesus... Now, go back to sleep. *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom* Fucker *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwom* Wait, tuba. I'm not done. Furthermore, I didn't "follow" Peter's vote switch. I voted while he was posting and then responded to his Scummy vote right after. That's why my post progresses the way it does with me responding to Peter after the Tuba Dance. You grumpy ass old man. 1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said: Unvote: Peter Lyon Vote Andrew: Laurent What the fuck is this? Unvote Andrew: Laurent Vote: Andrew Laurent *Fwom fwom fwomm fwom, fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* And everybody's hurts sometimes... Oh my God, *before Peter or I switched. Fucking A. All men with beards look the same to me. Why am I having so much trouble with names this game? Where's Tristan?
Emmett Ware Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: I know the post doesn't have your name in it, so take a look at this, ya' dick: I blame EB staff, falling down on the job! It's the damn notifications. It says 2, I go up 2 posts. Oh yeah, it says 2 because I wasn't quoted. Fucking staff. 42 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Oh my God, *before Peter or I switched. Fucking A. All men with beards look the same to me. Why am I having so much trouble with names this game? Where's Tristan? I plan to make a very useful suggestion for future games, at least the anonymous ones. Every name follows a pattern where the initials are the same for that person and no one else. Examples: Albert Asshole. John Jerkface. Steve Shithead. William Wanker. Simple! These example might not be directly recommended, but you get the idea. This whole Justin Joshua Jean Leon Lyon thing is bullshit. examples. Dammit.
Vincent Denis Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said: I blame EB staff, falling down on the job! It's the damn notifications. It says 2, I go up 2 posts. Oh yeah, it says 2 because I wasn't quoted. Fucking staff. I plan to make a very useful suggestion for future games, at least the anonymous ones. Every name follows a pattern where the initials are the same for that person and no one else. Examples: Albert Asshole. John Jerkface. Steve Shithead. William Wanker. Simple! These example might not be directly recommended, but you get the idea. This whole Justin Joshua Jean Leon Lyon thing is bullshit. examples. Dammit. I love you, even though you're grumpy. And I agree about the freaking names. Sorry, Bob. Do you know how many times I had to edit my post before I hit "submit" because I had referred to Daniel as Vincent? That has nothing to do with how Bob named us. And then some people, like Fred—or Peter??, insist on referring to everyone by Mr. [insert last name] and half the time I have to check the players list again to see who the fuck he's talking about. I even referred to Peter as Paul in a PM with someone and they were like "There is no Peter!" Fuck, whatever. Mary? I don't know. Somebody. Just get who I mean by the context. Stop looking for everything to be spelled out for you. Damn lazy kids *Fwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooom* ***"There is no Paul!"
Andrew Laurent Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: I think the idea that we need to take out the killer is preposterous. If we're right and they're both Scum, Andrew would inherit the kill tonight anyway. I mean to add, "DUUUUUUUUH!" but that would be rude. *Fwomma fwom fwomma fwomma. Fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwom* 'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance *Fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom* Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum...but how can you justify that vote if you say you were unsuccessful. If you want to stick to that story, there's no way you should think Andrew should be lynched. Ah yes, the "why look for the killer, the one thing we can actually trace down via night action history" gambit. Because you know that the only logical explanation for the night kills is that YOU are the killer. Hence my vote still on you. Town, when I flip loyal tomorrow, assuming there IS a tomorrow, remember how much I've warned you that Vincent has played you us like a harp. And like a french horn. And like a piano. And Peter, well, maybe he is scum. I only know FOR SURE that he wasn't the killer last night. Therefore, I'm still keeping my vote on the ONE person I know 100% absolutely for sure MUST be scum. Mr. Tuba. Fwom, Fwom to you too. 1 hour ago, Emmett Ware said: Do you honestly think our host would stack the game so heavily in favour of the scum as to let them pass on the kill forever? It could easily be a case of some assigned roles, like the scum blocker, and some basic goons who can be assigned or inherit roles, like killer. There is no reason to assume that they'll get another night kill if we lynch the killer. There is no way mafia has changed so much in the time I've been gone as to invalidate this, I played too many games with this exact setup. Um, yeah, that's exactly how EB mafia works. The kill is the one role that the scum get to keep forever. When we lynch the killer, that ability moves on. Usually the scum get to choose who takes that ability and therefore what ability they lose. That's why I'm so adamant that we HAVE to be right in getting a scum tonight. I think we still have 2 scum left and 3 town. So we lynch wrong (aka lynching ME) and the scum get a kill tonight, and it's game over. If we no-lynch tonight and the scum get a kill, game over.
Vincent Denis Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Andrew Laurent said: Ah yes, the "why look for the killer, the one thing we can actually trace down via night action history" gambit. Because you know that the only logical explanation for the night kills is that YOU are the killer. Hence my vote still on you. Town, when I flip loyal tomorrow, assuming there IS a tomorrow, remember how much I've warned you that Vincent has played you us like a harp. And like a french horn. And like a piano. And Peter, well, maybe he is scum. I only know FOR SURE that he wasn't the killer last night. Therefore, I'm still keeping my vote on the ONE person I know 100% absolutely for sure MUST be scum. Mr. Tuba. Fwom, Fwom to you too. Um, yeah, that's exactly how EB mafia works. The kill is the one role that the scum get to keep forever. When we lynch the killer, that ability moves on. Usually the scum get to choose who takes that ability and therefore what ability they lose. That's why I'm so adamant that we HAVE to be right in getting a scum tonight. I think we still have 2 scum left and 3 town. So we lynch wrong (aka lynching ME) and the scum get a kill tonight, and it's game over. If we no-lynch tonight and the scum get a kill, game over. *Fwom fwomma fwom— Can I just log in as you two and play a better Scum game, please? Your line should be "What? Peter! You must be Scum if you're voting for me when you know for a fact that I blocked you!" And then improvise from there. Because if either of you were telling the truth, Peter shouldn't be voting for you and you should find it mighty suspicious that he's voting for you when he can supposedly confirm that you, indeed, blocked him and not Emmett. Remember when I PMed you about doing that gambit with Peter to try to draw him out as the killer? That was diabolically Scummy of me, huh? Remember when Peter finally got around to revealing it? And I was all like "Aha! But I sent Andrew a PM—here it is—and he can confirm that it was all a plan to get Peter to admit he was the killer!" And then you were like, "Oh yeah, that's true. I can confirm that Vincent was just trying to catch Peter as the killer." That was fun. *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*
Andrew Laurent Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Remember when I PMed you about doing that gambit with Peter to try to draw him out as the killer? That was diabolically Scummy of me, huh? Remember when Peter finally got around to revealing it? And I was all like "Aha! But I sent Andrew a PM—here it is—and he can confirm that it was all a plan to get Peter to admit he was the killer!" And then you were like, "Oh yeah, that's true. I can confirm that Vincent was just trying to catch Peter as the killer." That was fun. Oh, you mean the gambit that you said probably wouldn't work, and then had a whole PM conversation with Peter supposedly trying to catch a scummo? How does that prove either of you two as loyal? Either: A. You're scum buddies, so you could have your private chat in the scum board to plan your PMs that could be posted, or B. You're scum and he's not, in which case, SHOCK, he didn't fall for your trap.
Emmett Ware Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Andrew Laurent said: Um, yeah, that's exactly how EB mafia works. One day I should participate in an EB mafia school. For science! Honestly though, if the phrase "exactly how EB mafia works" is accurate now, mafia isn't being done right. It should never be possible to simply look up the wiki and absolutely say how things will work. At that point, it's lost all meaning.
Vincent Denis Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, Andrew Laurent said: Oh, you mean the gambit that you said probably wouldn't work, and then had a whole PM conversation with Peter supposedly trying to catch a scummo? How does that prove either of you two as loyal? Either: A. You're scum buddies, so you could have your private chat in the scum board to plan your PMs that could be posted, or B. You're scum and he's not, in which case, SHOCK, he didn't fall for your trap. *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* No, no. What I was pointing out was your lackluster backup when I said you knew I was running the gambit. It's kind of like when you PMed me on Night Four and started the conversation with "If we're right about Justin, who's next on your hit list?" Emphasis added, because then you started Day Five by saying this: On 4/26/2020 at 3:36 PM, Andrew Laurent said: Wow, double shock. I did NOT expect that. Justin's town? Well, Vincent, what'cha got to say for yourself? And Daniel? I'm not at all surprised he's town, but why would he get killed? Either Vincent is scum and trying to eliminate his main accuser at the same time as Justin flips town, or something else weird has to be going on. If Daniel and Vincent are both town, then the scum HAVE to love how much they've dominated the discussion. So I can't wrap my head around any other explanation for all this than Vincent being scum Vote: Vincent Even though you take ownership of the Justin lynch via PM, you start the Day by accusing me of being Scum since he flipped Town. We lynch Fabien and again, you think he's Scum. But you want to keep him around to keep the kill locked. Or maybe you knew he'd be a good distraction for the Town if he continued to be in the game. But you say you're convinced he's Scum, but again, he flips Town and you go after me. Again, after a night of talking strategy. I claim and offer to be lynched and you say this: On 4/30/2020 at 10:00 PM, Andrew Laurent said: We were all there with ya on Justin, and most of us were there with ya on Fabien (I didn't want to lynch him but for the entirely wrong reasons!) So, you were with me, even though you said that before and after your first post on Day Five where you were trying to suggest that Justin flipping Town meant I was Scum. Even your "Vincent and Fabien are clearly on opposite teams." I'm opposite to all teams, by the way. I'm neutral. You even tried to throw back to it at one point as if Fabien flipping Town also implicated me, somehow. But you don't say it. You do wait to see if other people will give it any momentum, because in the same post: On 4/30/2020 at 10:00 PM, Andrew Laurent said: As much as I gave Vincent some verbal hugs there, we gotta consider if he's telling the truth. Is he the scum killer and deceiving us? Why would he be trying to get lynched, since yes, us policy lynching him is likely. What if he and Aiden are both scum. V is the killer and Aiden really IS a governor. So we waste a lynch on scum-Vincent because scum-Aiden saves him? A scum governor feels way overpowered, but is it really? We've seen enough other odd roles in this game. A scum governor really only saves the person for 1 night since they'll probably be re-lynched the next day, and then the governor the day after that. Aka, its only useful as an end of game gambit. If that's the case, would they be pulling it now? No, because that doesn't give them the win. Undoing the lynch and night killing someone at best gives them 4:3 numbers, so not a win yet. And we'd re-lynch tomorrow, and they'd probably end up losing. So scratch that whole idea. I've talked myself through to it being not realistic. Is scum-Vincent fake-claiming, hoping that with the whole day ahead he can talk his way OUT of a policy lynch (since we see how good we've been at lynching), and then not be blocked tonight so he can carry out the kill? THAT makes much more sense. And it could work out... Night 1 Emmett saw vincent do nothing. Because Joshua was the original scum killer. Day 2, Joshua is lynched and the kill moved to Vincent, who took out Jean. Nights 3, 4, and 5, no scum kills... cause Vincent was blocked. Thoughts? I would love to leave that there and get everyone's input. But I can't, because I know it's not possible quite like that. Last night we TOLD Vincent he was being blocked again, but we did not block him. So unless he was a foolish scum killer who took our word for it and didn't send in a kill attempt, he would have gotten a kill last night. So crap, that possibility probably doesn't work either. Any other scenarios in which Vincent is scum? I can't think of any more right now (it's bedtime) so for now, I'm keeping V in my town column even though I REALLY thought with how the voting went that he and Fabien HAD to be on opposite sides. You make a case against me and then admit that I wasn't blocked. Then ask if anybody else can think of any way I can be Scum. Then you continue to talk strategy with me every night and the Night Action plan. It seems to me, now, like you were trying to get me to talk about the Night Action plan so you can come back later and say "Vincent knew the Night Action plan! He manipulated it."-which you did do today. 6 hours ago, Andrew Laurent said: I have been discussing things with Vincent for days. I passed along his suggestion last night because at the time, I was believing his neutral claim and was trying to let someone OTHER than me pick who did what so that we WOULDN'T be having this debate today about how scummy I look. Obviously I screwed up in trusting him. After making several statements where you believed my Survivor claim, now suddenly I'm the Scum killer. It's like you buddy up to me at night and then accuse me at the start of each day and then drop it when nobody else follows you. In this game, anything is obviously possible, so maybe you're Town. Maybe. But I doubt it. If you are then I've been wrong about every suspicion in this game. That will make me feel sucky. But after analyzing the voting patterns, the Night Actions and your behavior, you seem really really really Scummy. And the fact that you're still not asking why Peter would vote for you when he should be able to verify your blocking claim and just digging into me being the killer, which I know I'm not, it's hard to take anything you say seriously. *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom*
Vincent Denis Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said: One day I should participate in an EB mafia school. For science! Honestly though, if the phrase "exactly how EB mafia works" is accurate now, mafia isn't being done right. It should never be possible to simply look up the wiki and absolutely say how things will work. At that point, it's lost all meaning. Please, board software, don't merge these posts and make me another massive wall of text. Please? You're off a bit on this. The earliest I can remember it being established that the Scum kill passes on, endlessly, is after Baritones 2, which was hosted by this one guy, Hinkey, or something like that. And there was this one Scum, I think his name was Chad-O, he was the last Scum in the game and Hinkey didn't let him inherit the kill. He only let him poop on people's doorsteps. And then he left a clue to the other players that Chad-O had a jar of fiber in his stuff and people still didn't get that he was the pooper and he won the game anyway by being a master manipulator. I seem to remember Chad-O stating the opposite argument that you are, right now, to Hinkey in the conclusion that the Scum kill is always passed on. For a long time, it was standard to give the last Scum a block and a kill and then people took their fiber over that one! And now we're back to the kill being inherited, no matter how many times the killer is lynched and the scum always always always have a night kill. Unless we're in Star Trek land and there are no Night Actions. I would suggest your memory is broken before I believe EB Mafia is broken. *Fwomma fwomma fwom, fwomma fwom* Pretending you've got a sliver! *Fwomma fwomma fwom, fwomma fwom, fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma*
Emmett Ware Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: And there was this one Scum I-van to believe I remember that. The host was an asshole who tried desperately to reveal that last scum and got madder and madder as the town failed to take his frequent and obvious hints. I hear the scum lost their kill to a coin flip, too. It was hilarious. I bet he's a lot better now, though. 3 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: And now we're back to the kill being inherited, no matter how many times the killer is lynched and the scum always always always have a night kill. That is honestly a horrible standard. Not only does it never reward the town for doing their job well, but it slaps them in the face by invalidating previous investigative results. Has EB Mafia really become that anti-town? Reading back, I think we're both getting old and cranky.
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