Lego City 2021 Rumours, information and discussion

[Aanchir]

22 hours ago, Klaus-Dieter said:

I understand that there are many people which like the new road system. I think that kids as well as AFLOs which haven't planned or built up their city already much like it. So the expansion pack with the new road system is quite ok for me - because when you don't want or need it, you simply don't buy it.

But which I dislike is that you are forced to buy the new road system within all new bigger civilian sets. This increases the price for 5-20 Euros per set - and when you don't want or need the new roads, this is a lot of money which is then "thrown out of the window".

I get where you're coming from, but how is that really any different from the way that road baseplates used to appear in so many sets from the 70s/80s/90s? It's not as though the road pieces in sets like 6390, 6396, and 6397 didn't elevate their prices, but that hasn't stopped AFOLs here on Eurobricks from lambasting comparable town scenes, airports, and service stations from more recent years (even when they have lower prices overall and a far better price per piece after adjusting for inflation) for not including roads, runways, or driveways.

It's one of those sorts of things you can't have both ways, no matter what road system happens to be the current standard at any given time. I realize, of course, that you've personally been fine with roads and stuff NOT being included in regular sets, since you prefer the "old school" road baseplates from your childhood over the more modern ones anyhow, and already have a considerable stockpile of them. But is it really so awful for today's kids to have access to sets with playable, interconnected street scenes, just like you did at their age?

20 hours ago, Maple said:

Once again, because clearly no one is listening, it's not increasing the price at all.

The last City house I can remember was form 10 years was about the same size and $40 USD which with inflation is $47.75. So oh yeah the prices with road plates is soooo out of line. 

I'm done arguing over the FACTS of prices with people who clearly are living in a completely different reality.

I wouldn't have put this so bluntly, but I agree with this point. 60291 is a huge step up from 8403 whether you measure by the size of the house itself, the amount of furnishings and play features contained within, or the "footprint" of the complete set — and all at close to the same total price. Even if you don't care for the road baseplates, it's not like replacing the surface of the street hockey court with standard plates or a baseplate (or even just having the "goals" sit loose in front of the house) would've made a huge difference to the set's price.

The roads probably account for a bigger portion of the Skate Park's price, since it's a much smaller set in the first place, but I don't think it's a coincidence that this is the first stand-alone skate park set the City theme has had in its entire history. I mean, even as a builder who usually doesn't care too much when buildings and scenery are independent builds without a base linking them together, I feel like this would have been a much far less appealing and enjoyable set design if there were literally no surface included for the minifigs to skate on besides a few disconnected stunt ramps. It'd be like if an ice skating rink set didn't include any ice or a swimming pool set didn't include any water.

Plus, in the grand scheme of things… City is the sort of theme where a LOT of sets can feel overpriced, even without any obvious justification. Certainly, I wouldn't have expected 60306 Shopping Street to cost $80,— but then, I also wouldn't have expected 60257 Service Station to cost $50, and that one didn't even include any roads or other large/"special" components to show for it!

Personally, I feel like Shopping Street would have felt like the better value for money of those two even if it HADN'T included roads — at least it portrays a bigger, more varied, more heavily populated scene (sort of like 60233 Donut Shop Opening or 60026 Town Square, just with fewer and smaller shops and vehicles), rather than just one small shop and a couple of mid-size vehicles. Plus, Shopping Street's British and German prices feel considerably more equitable, whereas the Service Station's price seems rather steep in all three of those countries/currencies.

Edited December 22, 2020 by Aanchir

[Maple]

4 minutes ago, Aanchir said:

I wouldn't have put this so bluntly.

The roads probably account for a bigger portion of the Skate Park's price

Plus, in the grand scheme of things… City is the sort of theme where a LOT of sets can feel overpriced, even without any obvious justification. Certainly, I wouldn't have expected 60306 Shopping Street to cost $80,— but then, I also wouldn't have expected 60257 Service Station to cost $50, and that one didn't even include any roads or other large/"special" components to show for it!

It's 2020 and I'm done listening to gaslighting. 
The skate park makes no sense to me because it was supposed to be $30 but is listed as $40 so I ignore that one as one of those sets that in the USA is $40 but in Europe it's like $25. There is normally one a year.
City is overpriced and frankly these sets with the roads feel cheaper than most of the City sets we have gotten recently. 

[Aanchir]

16 hours ago, Maple said:

It's 2020 and I'm done listening to gaslighting. 
The skate park makes no sense to me because it was supposed to be $30 but is listed as $40 so I ignore that one as one of those sets that in the USA is $40 but in Europe it's like $25. There is normally one a year.
City is overpriced and frankly these sets with the roads feel cheaper than most of the City sets we have gotten recently. 

That's a valid perspective. I didn't mean for my comment to imply that I was judging you, just that that I agreed with your post but didn't feel quite so strongly about it myself. In hindsight, I probably could have worded that better.

You also make a very good point about price discrepancies between countries not always being particularly consistent.

[fo4saken]

 

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by fo4saken

[El Garfio]

Shopping street is expensive (even if there is 70€ in Europe)

But The Family house price is good because the last city "house" I have in mind is 60009 that was also 50€

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by El Garfio

[Maple]

7 hours ago, Aanchir said:

 I didn't mean for my comment to imply that I was judging you.

Oh I know. I'm just sick of people disregarding facts because they don't like the baseplates. Like cool you don't like them, but they don't increase the prices of the sets anymore than other sets. 60246: Police Station has less pieces, no road plates and less pieces than the Main Street set. All City sets are expensive. For the price, and piece size the new road plates haven't increased anything. City was overpriced before and overpriced now. Just now we get a City that has City and we get actual buildings that aren't banks.

[The Island Chronicles]

1 hour ago, Maple said:

I'm just sick of people disregarding facts because they don't like the baseplates.

People have a right to disagree dude. Whether we like the road baseplates or not is really just a matter of opinion - no matter how stupid the reason for disliking something sounds. Little life lesson: Its not our place to tell anyone how to feel. You do that, you'll only get resentment or resistance. I say that from experience. 

Edited December 23, 2020 by Brandon Pea

[Stuartn]

Hi everyone on Eurobricks,

Although I am only new to Eurobricks, I have been monitoring this forum for quite some time now - it is a very handy reference point to find information, especially on new sets.

I thought I would share my opinions on the new sets.

I do have to agree with the argument that the new baseplates do increase the prices of sets (they would be much cheaper otherwise), but I must also agree with the point that the new sets are no more expensive than those of past waves, nor are there any less pieces in these new sets. I personally think that they enhance the look and functionality of the new sets.

I think these new road plates are a very clever initiative from Lego. I would assume they are not attempting to enhance the actual set, hence improving sales, but to provide an incentive for consumers to purchase more of the interconnectable sets.

I understand that the inclusion of the new road plates can be very annoying for consumers, especially when they already have layouts which the traditionally baseplates, or want to purchase the buildings and not the plates. Personally I look forward to the new plates, as even one copy of the 60304 road plates set would allow me to finish my layouts 75% complete roads, which are built two bricks high above baseplates and would effortlessly combine with the new road plates. I would hope that other retailers besides Lego.com will have lower prices, as AU$32.99 seems quite high when compared to equivalent overseas prices.

I can see a lot of uses for the new road plates, as since the white lines look like they are attached to separate 2x4 tiles they can easily be repurposed for uses other than roads.

As for the great vehicles and police/fire sets, I am less impressed, but as these are not aimed at AFOLs (nor are the other sets really) I am not critical, and the great vehicles sets actually look quite nice.

My one personal wish would've been for a bus or something public-transport related - it would have made sense considering the emphasis on roads.

[Rick]

Given that the road plates are supposed to tie the town together, I'm a bit surprised that so many slope pieces instead of extra 2 x 4 tiles (to connect the sets) are provided with the sets. If you own a couple of these sets, you end up with many spare slopes quite quickly.

[koalayummies]

23 minutes ago, Rick said:

Given that the road plates are supposed to tie the town together, I'm a bit surprised that so many slope pieces instead of extra 2 x 4 tiles (to connect the sets) are provided with the sets. If you own a couple of these sets, you end up with many spare slopes quite quickly.

Dang, I hadn't thought of that; that's a great point. It makes them good as standalone sets but yeah those who get a bunch will have quite the pile.

[fo4saken]

There would be no solution for that, can you imagine to buy a set where you have, let's say 'unfinished' roads at the ends? And what about with these people who would buy just one set for their kiddo. However I totally agree, Lego could give to the sets at least 2 pieces of spare tiles, that would be good. Maybe they will release some kind of Xtra bags with road stuff as someone already mentioned here.

[AndreMW]

Actually the streets do not increase the price as much as some think. Technically design and packing are the most expensive parts of a set and once this is done adding some extra plates does not add much to the price. As mentioned above the sets do not deviate much from older sets regarding the price.

But the new sets have the advantage of tying together seperate sets and wetting the appetite for the new streets, which in the end increases the play value for kids a lot.

 

The ramps are a nice Bonus. Since they never know whether someone already has a street set, including them is the safest bet. It‘s the seperator brick of the streets in its own way.

[Powered by Bricks]

It's confirmed, the set 60278 will be released in March or April or something, I saw a speed build vídeo of a new set (skatepark) and the guy who did the speed build showed the back of the instructions that only showed the police helicopter, the prisoner transport and the police boat. 

And here's the video

https://youtu.be/hKrxiWGaYqA

Edited December 23, 2020 by Powered by Bricks

[LCP]

4 hours ago, AndreMW said:

1 minute ago, Powered by Bricks said:

It's confirmed, the set 60278 will be released in March or April or something, I saw a speed build vídeo of a new set (skatepark) and the guy who did the speed build showed the back of the instructions that only showed the police helicopter, the prisoner transport and the police boat. 

And here's the video

https://youtu.be/hKrxiWGaYqA

The videos of this YouTuber are helpful to me because they are carefully assembled.

 

[The Jersey Brick Guy]

On 12/20/2020 at 2:40 PM, Maple said:

Ummm....

I was picking out sets that had the same price points. That's not cherry picking, that comparing same price points and what you get.
Throughout the 80s and 90s LEGO 'forced' you to build buildings on baseplates. That's what made Town town. City is now doing the same thing and people are having fits.

And nowadays, LEGO generally requires people to use the large 8x16 or 16x16 plates to build the buildings on. This is reported to be because kids want more options with how their buildings are displayed. If you were to remove these new roads from the sets, the price on these sets would decrease. So why not give the buyer an option between using the new roads or the old ones? Instead, LEGO is pushing the one road format, which while is their prerogative, not everyone who has establish cities will like.

 

On 12/20/2020 at 5:24 PM, Aanchir said:

I'm with @Maple on this one — it's kind of weird to act like including a road system in more than just stand-alone road packs is "forcing" people to use it, especially when road baseplates showed up in larger sets pretty frequently back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. If you really prefer the old road baseplates as the foundation of your layout, there's literally nothing preventing you from removing the road plates from the sets they appear in and using them exclusively in non-road applications like driveways, parking lots, train platforms, or bridges.

Also, I don't mean to be rude, but it's kind of grating when a lot of the most vocal complaints about the new system seem to come from people who have layouts large enough to require dozens of road baseplates. I mean, even having a collection that huge (not to mention a large enough living space for such expansive layouts) doesn't exactly make you sound like you lack the financial means of paying a higher price for road baseplates on the aftermarket if it's truly important to you. Many people's homes don't even have a spare room large enough to hold a layout that requires 40+ baseplates for its roads alone… and I say that even as a builder from a pretty wealthy background myself.

For that matter, glancing at your layout on Instagram, you clearly already use the MILS standard in your layout, meaning you clearly had no objection to raising up your modulars by more than a full brick. So do you really believe you're in a position to preach to us about what a dreadful inconvenience it is to raise your Modular Buildings by a single plate (at the "added expense" of a handful of small plates per building)?

I mean, all you'd actually actually need to do to use the new roads in your current layout, even in conjunction with the road baseplates you're currently using, is to raise them by one plate less than you've raised the rest of your layout! There's no requirement for you to "convert" your entire layout to use just one road system — after all, MILS is designed to allow builders to use road baseplates and more custom roads in the same layout!

And that's not even mentioning how much you've paid to tile over the curbsides on your road baseplates. If you're already that comfortable paying extra for large quantities of Dark Stone Grey tiles, that would appear to negate your concern about the size of the new roads — it takes far fewer tiles to increase the width of the new roads by a couple of studs on either side than add six studs' worth of extra tiles on each side of all your road baseplates.

All in all, I can understand if you don't like the style of the new roads, or if you don't like the way they're connected together. But frankly, your purported concern about the expense or amount of work it'd take to use them in a layout rings kind of hollow. And if you're going to persist treating modest costs like these like they're non-negotiable, even after you've voluntarily committed a greater expense and much more effort to raising your layout at least three times higher than the aforementioned "fix" would require, you're going to have a hard time earning your fellow builders' sympathy.

Now with your comments, I wanted to make sure my words are clear. 

1) LEGO forced people to use the old road plates with those sets also, and it is their prerogative to change the system to whatever and whenever they choose. However, it doesn't mean everyone has to like and accept it with open arms. Personally, I am planning to sell the new road system pieces on bricklink that come with the few new 2021 city sets that I do plan to get. 

2) I seemed to have missed the memo that stated a person could only comment (or complain in your words), if your city was considered (by who??) to be a small layout and those of us with large layouts were not allowed to speak on the issue. As to the MILS standard, I started to switch over for a multitude of reasons, none of which concern you or my views against the new roads. But since you decided to bring this up, I started the conversion well before the rumors broke about the new roads coming with the 2021 City sets.  

3) It is none of your business as to my financial means and what I can or cannot afford or be concerned with. Frankly, it's insulting to watch you try to turn this discussion into a haves and have-not argument all the while claiming I am being preachy and my comments come off as hollow. Who do you think you are? 

4) I am not looking for any type of sympathy from anyone over the internet, especially from you. For some reason, you feel the need to quote my posts and launch into long winded replies about why you feel my opinion is wrong and yours is right. And I'm preachy?   

On 12/21/2020 at 1:21 PM, AndreMW said:

Actually you can raise buildings with little cost with foamboard or cardboard, so I do not see where thousands of dollars for raising them would come from. And that´s something which has been done during exhibitions for ages...

Streets were included in quite some sets in the pre-2000s and sets without streets is a rather recent thing. So I am quite happy to see them return.
Including the streets in new sets is quite logical, since that´s the best way to let customers experience them without them having to pay extra for the street set.

 

Raising the buildings with foam board or cardboard isn't part of the LEGO system though. You know each brick or plate is going to be a certain height and width, but those options you listed have numerous variables. As to the cost, that will vary from person to person with the size of their city. Let's use my city as an example:

My city is 291 - 32x32 baseplates currently. 
Currently, each baseplate consists of 64 4x4 plates that sit on top of a mixture of 2x2, 2x3, 2x4, 2x6 and 2x8 bricks (I buy used bulk, so it varies).
To raise them all by 1 stud, I would need to purchase 18,264 4x4 plates.
At .25 cents each (cheapest price on lego.com as of 12/23/20), I am personally looking to spend another $4,566.00!

Well over $4,500.00 that could be spent on new sets or creating new buildings for my city. To each their own however. 

 

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With that said, if anyone who feels these new roads will be awesome, you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. If you are looking to offload your current road plates, send me a Private Message, I'll be happy to negotiate a fair price for them. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!

 

[AndreMW]

The last time i checked foam- and cardboard had standard-sizes that made it quite easy to use them as stand-ins.

And maybe you calm down a bit. Your layout is a 1 in a million exception so not the standard one would normally consider when designing such sets.
Leaving the roads out of the sets would not decrease the price by much, definitely not by 20 or 15$, rather fewer, more like 10 to 5$.

Besides, the last time someone asked we got told that the old plates are not EOL. So it is to early to sing their swansong. Right now it is an assumption, nothing more, that the will be phased out.

Edited December 23, 2020 by AndreMW

[LegoManiac25]

As I look at the sets a little closer if you do not want the roads they offer you can use them as tiles as the plates the sets come with are unused. 

[The Jersey Brick Guy]

2 hours ago, AndreMW said:

The last time i checked foam- and cardboard had standard-sizes that made it quite easy to use them as stand-ins.

And maybe you calm down a bit. Your layout is a 1 in a million exception so not the standard one would normally consider when designing such sets.
Leaving the roads out of the sets would not decrease the price by much, definitely not by 20 or 15$, rather fewer, more like 10 to 5$.

Besides, the last time someone asked we got told that the old plates are not EOL. So it is to early to sing their swansong. Right now it is an assumption, nothing more, that the will be phased out.

There are different sizes of each. Again, why use a non-LEGO item? What’s next, Megablocks? I suppose it will depend if you’re a LEGO purist or not.

And calm down? Those numbers I listed are hard numbers. Each baseplates worth is $16 worth of 4x4 Plates off of LEGO.com. I’d also argue the road plates with the new skate park set represent at least $10 worth of extra cost. 
 

What is the source for the old Plates?  

[AndreMW]

Well, business calculations is not your strength, that much is clear.

[Fuppylodders]

8 hours ago, The Jersey Brick Guy said:

 

My city is 291 - 32x32 baseplates currently. 
Currently, each baseplate consists of 64 4x4 plates that sit on top of a mixture of 2x2, 2x3, 2x4, 2x6 and 2x8 bricks (I buy used bulk, so it varies).
To raise them all by 1 stud, I would need to purchase 18,264 4x4 plates.
At .25 cents each (cheapest price on lego.com as of 12/23/20), I am personally looking to spend another $4,566.00!
 

I'm not trying to pick holes or anything, I'm just wondering... How come they have to be 4x4? Can they be different sizes? 

What colour do the 4x4's have to be? Are they on show or hidden? 

Could you not get them from BrickLink used? Lots of waaay cheaper 4x4s on there compared to TLG's .25 cents each

I personally don't like the look of the new plate system yet, but I'm not quite seeing how these can look good blended in to a city so well. If they can, great. If not, well, I'm guessing it's the future they're choosing to go with so it'll be off to BrickLink or go with the flow :/

It just seems like so much extra additional plastic compared to the flat roads, I can't really see how they'd end up being cheaper/more cost effective for them. 

 

[The Jersey Brick Guy]

6 minutes ago, Fuppylodders said:

I'm not trying to pick holes or anything, I'm just wondering... How come they have to be 4x4? Can they be different sizes? 

What colour do the 4x4's have to be? Are they on show or hidden? 

Could you not get them from BrickLink used? Lots of waaay cheaper 4x4s on there compared to TLG's .25 cents each

I personally don't like the look of the new plate system yet, but I'm not quite seeing how these can look good blended in to a city so well. If they can, great. If not, well, I'm guessing it's the future they're choosing to go with so it'll be off to BrickLink or go with the flow :/

It just seems like so much extra additional plastic compared to the flat roads, I can't really see how they'd end up being cheaper/more cost effective for them. 

 

I welcome the questions, so no worries.

The 4x4's seem to be the cheapest when buying in bulk. Some are seen, others are hidden when the floor is tiled. If they are going to be seen in the city, I go with DBG, if they are going to be seen as grass, I will go with Green or Bright Green depending if it's a house, park, etc..

I do purchase them from bricklink, the price varies from time to time, right now I can get ~200 at .08 cents each, so if I am lucky enough to get that many, I would be spending just shy of $1500.00 before shipping. I used the price on pick a brick from LEGO as some people will only buy pieces from TLG direct. Something I have seen by people I follow on Instagram, is that the new roads (not studded parts) seem to be 4 studs less than the current road plates. With how large cars are nowadays, that 4 studs is a lot.

1 hour ago, AndreMW said:

Well, business calculations is not your strength, that much is clear.

Thanks for posting!

 

[Aanchir]

On 12/23/2020 at 1:27 PM, The Jersey Brick Guy said:

And nowadays, LEGO generally requires people to use the large 8x16 or 16x16 plates to build the buildings on. This is reported to be because kids want more options with how their buildings are displayed. If you were to remove these new roads from the sets, the price on these sets would decrease. So why not give the buyer an option between using the new roads or the old ones? Instead, LEGO is pushing the one road format, which while is their prerogative, not everyone who has establish cities will like.

 

Now with your comments, I wanted to make sure my words are clear. 

1) LEGO forced people to use the old road plates with those sets also, and it is their prerogative to change the system to whatever and whenever they choose. However, it doesn't mean everyone has to like and accept it with open arms. Personally, I am planning to sell the new road system pieces on bricklink that come with the few new 2021 city sets that I do plan to get.  

2) I seemed to have missed the memo that stated a person could only comment (or complain in your words), if your city was considered (by who??) to be a small layout and those of us with large layouts were not allowed to speak on the issue. As to the MILS standard, I started to switch over for a multitude of reasons, none of which concern you or my views against the new roads. But since you decided to bring this up, I started the conversion well before the rumors broke about the new roads coming with the 2021 City sets.  

3) It is none of your business as to my financial means and what I can or cannot afford or be concerned with. Frankly, it's insulting to watch you try to turn this discussion into a haves and have-not argument all the while claiming I am being preachy and my comments come off as hollow. Who do you think you are?  

4) I am not looking for any type of sympathy from anyone over the internet, especially from you. For some reason, you feel the need to quote my posts and launch into long winded replies about why you feel my opinion is wrong and yours is right. And I'm preachy?    

Raising the buildings with foam board or cardboard isn't part of the LEGO system though. You know each brick or plate is going to be a certain height and width, but those options you listed have numerous variables. As to the cost, that will vary from person to person with the size of their city. Let's use my city as an example:

My city is 291 - 32x32 baseplates currently. 
Currently, each baseplate consists of 64 4x4 plates that sit on top of a mixture of 2x2, 2x3, 2x4, 2x6 and 2x8 bricks (I buy used bulk, so it varies).
To raise them all by 1 stud, I would need to purchase 18,264 4x4 plates.
At .25 cents each (cheapest price on lego.com as of 12/23/20), I am personally looking to spend another $4,566.00!

Well over $4,500.00 that could be spent on new sets or creating new buildings for my city. To each their own however.

With that said, if anyone who feels these new roads will be awesome, you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. If you are looking to offload your current road plates, send me a Private Message, I'll be happy to negotiate a fair price for them. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!

Wow, I guess I struck a nerve there… at no point did I imply that you weren't welcome to share your opinions, no matter how big your layout is or how much of a cost burden is reasonable/unreasonable for you. But that doesn't mean anybody's obligated to take those opinions seriously. And the more you humblebrag about the massive size of your layout, the more ridiculous it is to act like the much smaller costs of this road system are suddenly a deal-breaker.

Also, did you miss the part where I mentioned that with a MILS layout like yours, you can use the new road baseplates just fine without raising up anything at all in your layout, or even swapping out any of your existing roads? After all, if all your baseplates are already raised up, all you need to do to line up the newer road elements with the height of the roads you already have is to raise them up by one plate FEWER than the rest of the parts in your layout. There's literally no reason you can't use multiple road systems together in the same layout, especially a MILS layout which is designed to cancel out the height difference between baseplates and standard plates/tiles.

Finally, your calculation of the number of plates you'd need to buy if you DID need to raise up your entire layout is WAY off, and seems to be based on the bizarre notion that to raise up a layout by one plate in height, you need to buy enough plates to for their total area to equal the area of your entire layout . You know that it's okay to have gaps in a layout's substructure as long as you keep the weight evenly distributed, right? I hope you haven't actually been building all of your MILS bases solid this entire time, because if you have, I shudder to think how much money you've already wasted on bricks that your layout didn't actually need…

[The Jersey Brick Guy]

7 hours ago, Aanchir said:

Wow, I guess I struck a nerve there… at no point did I imply that you weren't welcome to share your opinions, no matter how big your layout is or how much of a cost burden is reasonable/unreasonable for you. But that doesn't mean anybody's obligated to take those opinions seriously. And the more you humblebrag about the massive size of your layout, the more ridiculous it is to act like the much smaller costs of this road system are suddenly a deal-breaker.

Also, did you miss the part where I mentioned that with a MILS layout like yours, you can use the new road baseplates just fine without raising up anything at all in your layout, or even swapping out any of your existing roads? After all, if all your baseplates are already raised up, all you need to do to line up the newer road elements with the height of the roads you already have is to raise them up by one plate FEWER than the rest of the parts in your layout. There's literally no reason you can't use multiple road systems together in the same layout, especially a MILS layout which is designed to cancel out the height difference between baseplates and standard plates/tiles.

Finally, your calculation of the number of plates you'd need to buy if you DID need to raise up your entire layout is WAY off, and seems to be based on the bizarre notion that to raise up a layout by one plate in height, you need to buy enough plates to for their total area to equal the area of your entire layout . You know that it's okay to have gaps in a layout's substructure as long as you keep the weight evenly distributed, right? I hope you haven't actually been building all of your MILS bases solid this entire time, because if you have, I shudder to think how much money you've already wasted on bricks that your layout didn't actually need…

Not so much striking a nerve but little tolerance for those who think they are holier then thou. Its nice to know that giving a rationale of why I don’t like something is now considered humble-bragging.

I guess you have missed the fact that the new roads appear to be 4 studs shorter in width than the current roads (not counting the studs on either side, the actual road portion). So using different ones will not look right. 

Lastly, thanks for the information about how to build the substructure of my city. Is there anything you don’t know? I’ll look forward to whatever conclusion you jump to next. 

[icm]

Edit - forget I said anything. It's Christmas Eve, so Merry Christmas to all.

Edited December 25, 2020 by icm

[AndreMW]

The problem is: Your design is a very rare exception and not the rule and still you argue like many would have the same problem. We have over 100 members in our Lego club an some have really huge layouts and mountains of bricks and nearly everyone considers your layout being very extreme.

Regarding the plates: Even with really heavy buildings you could reduce the number of plates without compromising structural integrity. So this is rather a matter of personal preference and not structural necessity.

If You could stop considering your standards being universal we could have a much nicer discussion.

Edited December 25, 2020 by AndreMW