Corrina Cow Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 40 minutes ago, Gilford Goat said: But does that make Monkey more or less likely to be scum or the trickster? That question is why I haven't voted. I kind of doubt the trickster could take that role, and no one else has claimed it, so it feels more scummy as an easy excuse for completely wasting the role, but it could have just been a really dumb choice. I just don't know. I miss Bartosz and his bucket, I think they could have provided some useful insight here. I wish I was the kind of mystic who could do seances. We end up with an astrologer, a dream interpreter and a bucket reader (seems like the setup to a joke), and no one who can reach those who have gone beyond, other than that visit from Rutherford, which was pretty useless.
Gilford Goat Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, Corrina Cow said: I miss Bartosz and his bucket, I think they could have provided some useful insight here. yeah
Parvani Poodle Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: I HAD FORGOTTEN about that. Maybe it wasn't so close to the forefront of my mind as it was to yours. Any ideas on what the unknown role might have been? My money would be on some kind of manipulative role or a strongarm maybe. I think anything life and death would have been OP, especially in view of today's catastrophe. Well try paying attention then, how do you expect us to win this game if you're forgetting important details like this one! Silly bear. My take on the unknown role, given that Scum already had a kill and a blocker, would have been a more defensive action like Mirror or Protector. What made me consider the extra Scum role was the number of deaths last night and attempting to explain them, but I agree that giving Scum an extra kill action on top of their factional kill would be difficult to justify. 15 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: YOU'RE BASING that on Gilford's claim that he was blocked by the scum on night 2? A completely unverified claim. Okay, then tell me why a Scum investigator would claim to be blocked by Scum instead of say, clearing one of their own? What were Scum trying to achieve? 15 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: I DON'T THINK it's hard to work out that one was the Flying Pumpkin (Corrina killing Hyacinth), one was the bomb from night two and one was last night's scum kill. Seems like you'd like to throw around a bit of confusion here. My list was in reply to Emeric's comment asking whether we were sure the bomb went off. My list started with the already mentioned explanations, then I ended up adding other possible explanations that occurred to me and I was surprised hadn't been considered at all. With the number of Vengeful roles available, and me thinking that Vengefuls would choose a player to kill upon their death, I was surprised no one even mentioned that. Apparently everyone knew that the role was different from the description in the Mafia book. Then there was that extra Scum role. I was being thorough. 15 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: INTERESTING THAT, having wondered about the many and various ways we could have had three deaths last night, you jump straight into thinking that Bartosz was the bomb target on night two. Thinking about it, it's reasonable that Rutherford might be killed after essentially being confirmed town yesterday, but he could just have easily been targeted by the scum on night two. Either way, it's a surprising assumtion and quite a jump in thinking, unless you already know exactly who the bomb target on night two was. You also seem mighty keen here to keep Gilford painted as an innocent victim of the scum, having survived an attempt on his life thanks to your brave intervention, and having been reportedly blocked by the evil scum on night two. Two things here. First I didn't "jump straight", there was in-thread discussion happening in between those two posts and hours in real-life. It was explained to me that Vengefuls couldn't kill anyone. I certainly didn't write down every thought process that I went through but I eventually came to the conclusion that the most likely explanation for the deaths was the one that was generally agreed upon by the active posters. Secondly, in hindsight I realize that I assumed that Bartosz was the one bombed between the two because he said he was "warned twice" and I associated that with the two nights he must have been carrying the bomb. It's probably not something the Forest God intended, but the association became fact in my mind. Weird . Funny that you should think I'm protecting Gilford, when I was actually suspicious of him on Day 1 and that's what led me to target him with the switch action the following night. I can imagine a few reasons why Scum wanted him dead... unlikely to be protected? something he said led Scum to believe he has an important role? who knows. 13 hours ago, Gilford Goat said: You know I wondered why the hell scum wanted to kill me considering they could have gotten me lynched instead. Maybe the poodle is scum, but was indeed the bus driver and targeted me to be killed, and then switched me with the Crocodile. If scum had a the bus driver then why the hell not? Hence the drama? If I'm Scum, then you must be Scum too because what's the point of "clearing" you if you're actually Town and easily lynched as you seem to think? If I'm Town, then you're Town too unless the Scum had a way to find out who I would be Driving, which is improbable. 5 hours ago, Shainen Sheepdog said: Or she just said she did. Parvani was one of the last to claim on the morning of Day 2. She could have been waiting to see how the cards fell before committing. You can't expect everyone to be around every time a new day is posted.
Gilford Goat Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Parvani Poodle said: what's the point of "clearing" you if you're actually Town and easily lynched as you seem to think? You already answered your question. 5 hours ago, Parvani Poodle said: If I'm Town, then you're Town too It made you look town.
Holbrook Horse Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 8 hours ago, Parvani Poodle said: he said he was "warned twice" and I associated that with the two nights he must have been carrying the bomb. there are no clues in the pictures
Gilford Goat Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Vote: Marlowe Monkey Monkey could maybe trickster in which case I'd rather go for someone else if others feel the same about him. Bear, cow, elephant probably town, horse feels town. Poodle was confirmed town to me up until recently. Now I'm suspicious. Lamb and/or sheepdog possibly scum.
Marlowe Monkey Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. I am NOT the trickster. I wouldn't put the elephant on my town radar just yet. You said he investigated as "not scum" in your investigation result right?
Leatrix Lamb Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 20 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: It didn't. My main thought process as I've explained, was which players were most likely to be targeted by other town roles. Before considering thaaaaaaaat, you should have thought about who was a likely taaaaaaaarget for the bomb (on night two) in the first plaaaaaaace. I think Hyacinth, unlike Rutherford for example, was someone not likely to be waaaaaaaatched. Your role claim caaaaaaame after Holbrooke said he watched Emeric aaaaaaaand Emeric claimed he beheld Hyacinth tracking Holbrooke. So, you kneeeeeeew you weren't tracked or beheld and that Hyacinth wasn't waaaaaaaaatched. You even waited for Benicia to explaaaaaiiiiin how the vengeful part of the roles wooooooorked until you claimed targeting Hyacinth. I'm inclined to think you either made uuuuuuuuup the bomb story as a justification for targeting Hyacinth or you didn't try to defuuuuuuuuse any bombs at all last night. There is also the choice of taaaaaaaargets for the watcher, beholder and tracker. Was that, as Benicia metioned earlier, intended to confiiiiiiiiiirm their actions? On 8/23/2020 at 11:28 PM, Benicia Bear said: He also said that a few investigative roles had claimed to him and he was trying to get everyone to either trap or support each other (he said both) and that if I wanted to join in then it involved the horse, the goat, and the elephant. That much seems to have been borne out. How exactly did Rutherford waaaaaaaaant you to join in? Holbrooke chosing to watch Emeric staaaaaaaaaaands out to me (and is something I asked about earlier). Is there anything we can concluuuuuuuude from this night action triangle? 14 hours ago, Gilford Goat said: But does that make Monkey more or less likely to be scum or the trickster? Bomb defuser was a role that haaaaaaaaaad to be handed out. Bartosz speeeeeeeculated a bit on whether the trickster would be able to give themselves a roooooooole, but even if they could, why would they choose boooooooooomb defuser for themselves (WIFOM aside)?
Marlowe Monkey Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Leatrix Lamb said: Your role claim caaaaaaame after Holbrooke said he watched Emeric aaaaaaaand Emeric claimed he beheld Hyacinth tracking Holbrooke. So, you kneeeeeeew you weren't tracked or beheld and that Hyacinth wasn't waaaaaaaaatched. You even waited for Benicia to explaaaaaiiiiin how the vengeful part of the roles wooooooorked until you claimed targeting Hyacinth. I'm inclined to think you either made uuuuuuuuup the bomb story as a justification for targeting Hyacinth or you didn't try to defuuuuuuuuse any bombs at all last night. As Parvani said you can't expect everyone to be around when the new day is posted. Also (without trying to give away too much) I'm in a completely different time zone to the Gods above so I'm usually asleep when the new day is being posted. IF I was scum why would I claim Bomb diffuser? It would be far easier to claim Vengeful Watcher or Investigator or even the Baby Dragon Lullaby.
Hinckley Posted August 25, 2020 Author Posted August 25, 2020 Vote tally Marlowe Monkey: 1 (Gilford Goat) Non-voters: 8 (Benicia Bear, Corrina Cow, Emeric Elephant, Holbrook Horse, Leatrix Lamb, Marlowe Monkey, Parvani Poodle, Shainen Sheepdog) With 9 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch. 25.5 hours remain in Day Four. 4 hours ago, Gilford Goat said: Vote: Marlowe Monkey
Benicia Bear Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 SHOUTY SHOUTY CAN I HAVE A BELL TO RING PLEASE? EDITOR IS CRAP AND I HAVE HAD TO TYPE ALL THIS OUT AGAIN 14 hours ago, Parvani Poodle said: Okay, then tell me why a Scum investigator would claim to be blocked by Scum instead of say, clearing one of their own? What were Scum trying to achieve? WITH the Framer and Tailor roles knocking about, and night 2 when the scum had a Godfather, an investigation result isn't worth all that much really (sorry Emeric). Somebody being blocked by the scum? Well, they couldn't possibly be scum themself could they? That might well have been what the scum were trying to achieve. That doesn't mean I think Gilford is scum necessarily, it just doesn't prove him to be town, and it sounds like you want him to look very town, so that you look town. 14 hours ago, Parvani Poodle said: With the number of Vengeful roles available, and me thinking that Vengefuls would choose a player to kill upon their death, I was surprised no one even mentioned that. Apparently everyone knew that the role was different from the description in the Mafia book. Then there was that extra Scum role. I was being thorough. ACTUALLY MOST people thought the vengeful roles worked just like you did, but that isn't the point. You claim you were being "thorough", I think you were deliberately trying to confuse people. Neither one of us can prove anything either way I guess, but I felt the need to point it out. 14 hours ago, Parvani Poodle said: Two things here. First I didn't "jump straight", there was in-thread discussion happening in between those two posts and hours in real-life. It was explained to me that Vengefuls couldn't kill anyone. I certainly didn't write down every thought process that I went through but I eventually came to the conclusion that the most likely explanation for the deaths was the one that was generally agreed upon by the active posters. Secondly, in hindsight I realize that I assumed that Bartosz was the one bombed between the two because he said he was "warned twice" and I associated that with the two nights he must have been carrying the bomb. It's probably not something the Forest God intended, but the association became fact in my mind. Weird . THIS IS THE THING, THOUGH, you were being so "thorough" with considering all possibilities around the deaths and wanting to think about them OUT LOUD, but you skipped straight to saying it was Bartosz who had died by bomb apparently because of a cryptic clue in the pictures, and I don't remember there being any prior consensus about that. It doesn't matter about the time in between, it's the jarring difference in your approach. 14 hours ago, Parvani Poodle said: Funny that you should think I'm protecting Gilford, when I was actually suspicious of him on Day 1 and that's what led me to target him with the switch action the following night. I can imagine a few reasons why Scum wanted him dead... unlikely to be protected? something he said led Scum to believe he has an important role? who knows. YOU VOTED FOR GILFORD because of his "hey, let's all claim!" caper, but that was it. You didn't exactly say much more about it, or make a great big case against him, so how are we to know how suspicious or not you were of him? Whether you claim to have been suspicious of him or not matters little in the scenario that you're scum anyway. And if you are town and you can imagine a few reasons why scum would want Gilford dead, then why divert to Caladon who you apparently thought was town? 14 hours ago, Parvani Poodle said: If I'm Scum, then you must be Scum too because what's the point of "clearing" you if you're actually Town and easily lynched as you seem to think? If I'm Town, then you're Town too unless the Scum had a way to find out who I would be Driving, which is improbable. THAT LOGIC IS NOT logical. I don't think there is an "if a is x then b is y" scenario here. At the moment I'm feeling more that you're scum and Gilford is.. not scum, and you didn't drive anything. The scum would know exactly who would be drivng whom in the scenario you're scum. 3 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: There is also the choice of taaaaaaaargets for the watcher, beholder and tracker. Was that, as Benicia metioned earlier, intended to confiiiiiiiiiirm their actions? How exactly did Rutherford waaaaaaaaant you to join in? 3 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: There is also the choice of taaaaaaaargets for the watcher, beholder and tracker. Was that, as Benicia metioned earlier, intended to confiiiiiiiiiirm their actions? How exactly did Rutherford waaaaaaaaant you to join in? Is there anything we can concluuuuuuuude from this night action triangle? Bomb defuser was a role that haaaaaaaaaad to be handed out. Bartosz speeeeeeeculated a bit on whether the trickster would be able to give themselves a roooooooole, but even if they could, why would they choose boooooooooomb defuser for themselves (WIFOM aside)? 3 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: As Parvani said you can't expect everyone to be around when the new day is posted. Also (without trying to give away too much) I'm in a completely different time zone to the Gods above so I'm usually asleep when the new day is being posted. IF I was scum why would I claim Bomb diffuser? It would be far easier to claim Vengeful Watcher or Investigator or even the Baby Dragon Lullaby. 20 hours ago, Gilford Goat said: Everyone! let's eat some mushrooms, sit around giggling, and wave our fingers around pointing at each other until we all land on one person! GETTING HIGH IS THE ANSWER!!! WE NEED MORE SHROOMS!
Benicia Bear Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I HATE THE EDITOR AND IT SEEMS TO HATE ME WHERE WAS I? AH YES: 4 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: There is also the choice of taaaaaaaargets for the watcher, beholder and tracker. Was that, as Benicia metioned earlier, intended to confiiiiiiiiiirm their actions? How exactly did Rutherford waaaaaaaaant you to join in? I SPOKE TO Rutherford overnight and he disclosed to me that a number of (other) investigative actions had claimed to him, and that he had urged them to confirm/trap each other. He then said that it involved the goat the horse and the elephant should I wish to join in with that... whatever it was. He knew my action was vengeful and when I said how it worked he said he understood because of his own action, implying he also had a vengeful role, as has been borne out. I was seeking a target for my posthumous action, and a suggestion I'd already been given (Emeric) was on his list too, so I didn't ask anything further. If you want more information it might be better to ask Gilford, Holbrook and Emeric. 4 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: Is there anything we can concluuuuuuuude from this night action triangle? I'M NOT SURE there is, apart from the fact they all reported roles Ruherford said they'd claimed to have. Doesn't mean they actually used them as reported. What do you think? 3 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: IF I was scum why would I claim Bomb diffuser? It would be far easier to claim Vengeful Watcher or Investigator or even the Baby Dragon Lullaby. IT IS ENTIRELY possible you were actually assigned the bomb defusor role, but ditched it in favour of killing or blocking or something. When you claimed to defuse Hyacinth, as has already been mentioned, you already knew you hadn't been tracked/beholdered and that she hadn't been watched so you could claim to have tried valiently to protect the number two scum suspect without anyone being able to disprove it with a night action result. It's a bit like Parvani claiming bus driver; safer to maybe claim you the role were actually given, for consistency's sake, but do something completely different at night. MY OVERALL opinion is that both Marlowe and Parvani are suspicious. I think they both demonstrate scum-prespective in their thought processes, or at least anti-town thought processes. I will: VOTE: MARLOWE MONKEY 20 hours ago, Gilford Goat said: Everyone! let's eat some mushrooms, sit around giggling, and wave our fingers around pointing at each other until we all land on one person! GETTING HIGH IS THE ANSWER!!! WE NEED MORE SHROOMS! At least the stupid editor got this bit right. Maybe it's too many shrooms?
Corrina Cow Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. I am NOT the trickster. I believe that, I think you're much more likely to be scum. At this point, the numbers are getting bad and as much as the trickster worries me, we don't actually know if they pose a threat to the town, but we do know that the scum are required to kill them, so for the moment, they are helping keep us balanced. I am assuming we're at 5/1/3, so lynching the trickster today and a typical scum kill tonight would put us at 4/4, which is a very bad place to be. Bottom line, we need to lynch a scum today. Your terrible choice of defuse target and attempt to defend it by misrepresenting the situation screams scum. I've wondered if it could just be the actions of a negligent townie, but I'm starting to seriously doubt it. Vote: Marlowe Monkey We need a successful investigation tonight, not more ring-around-the-rosey nonsense. That was such a waste, though Rutherford's involvement, while misguided, at least means it was done with good intent. What a mess. The situation? Yes, but I mean all those bodies on deck. Won't someone think of the babies and clean this up? They don't need to see all of that, it's horrible. And Omrom gets snacky with all that blood around. I'd like to consult with the stars, but all I see are dark clouds. I will keep pondering this, looking deep into my mind for hints. Maybe my cape can help! *wraps it tightly around her and starts to meditate*
Leatrix Lamb Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: As Parvani said you can't expect everyone to be around when the new day is posted. Also (without trying to give away too much) I'm in a completely different time zone to the Gods above so I'm usually asleep when the new day is being posted. IF I was scum why would I claim Bomb diffuser? It would be far easier to claim Vengeful Watcher or Investigator or even the Baby Dragon Lullaby. It's not about the time at which you woke up this mooooooorning, it's about your choice of taaaaaaaarget. Hyacinth was not someone I'd expect to be waaaaaaatched. Knowing that your claimed target wasn't watched only confiiiiiiirmed this and hearing that you weren't tracked or beheld means you could safely claaaaaaiiiiiiim using your action on Hyacinth. Franczeska claimed to have the baby dragon lullaby action yesterdaaaaaaaay and with 16 roles for 14 animals, you couldn't just claim aaaaaaany role (especially since you were one of the first to claim and with Rutherford's vengeful action up in the air). I don't doubt you were given the defuuuuuuser role. I doubt you had the right intentions when using it or whether you even used it at aaaaaaall. Vote: Marlowe Monkey 2 minutes ago, Benicia Bear said: If you want more information it might be better to ask Gilford, Holbrook and Emeric. I'M NOT SURE there is, apart from the fact they all reported roles Ruherford said they'd claimed to have. Doesn't mean they actually used them as reported. What do you think? The question was directed at eeeeeeeeveryone and the animals involved in particulaaaaaaar. What I'm maaaaaaaaking of this? Probably not something you hadn't though of yourseeeeeeelf. If they were left completely in the dark about Rutherford's plaaaaaaans, it'd be risky for them to make up results for their aaaaaaaactions. But even if they used their action aaaaaas claimed, it doesn't mean they weren't also out and about doing something eeeeeeelse last night. Emeric saw Hyacinth target Holbrooke, but may have been doing other stuff as weeeeeeell. Hyacinth was only seen tracking Holbrooke, confirming her claim yesterdaaaaaaay (not surprising given she turned out to be an emancipator). Holbrooke was seen targeting Emeric and didn't do anything eeeeeeelse. Gilford was seen targeting Emeric, but may have been doing other things as weeeeeeell. I think it's likely Emeric and Holbrooke used their actions as claaaaaaiiiiiiimed, which of course doesn't clear them of being scum or the trickster. Gilford probably investigaaaaaaated Emeric, but I'm not prepared to simply trust that resuuuuuult. I don't know if we can trust the investigator and, as I said earlier, I think it's likely that the undisclosed role the baby dragon haters had last night was manipulative in naaaaaaature.
Marlowe Monkey Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 The scum and the trickster are probably having a field day right now. They know that I'm town and they know I'm about to be lynched. 25 minutes ago, Leatrix Lamb said: It's not about the time at which you woke up this mooooooorning, it's about your choice of taaaaaaaarget. What??!!!! You literally said in your previous post it was exactly about timings. You accused me of fabricating having the bomb diffuser role by deliberately waiting for other players to claim their roles. An accusation that is untrue. 25 minutes ago, Leatrix Lamb said: I don't doubt you were given the defuuuuuuser role. No. You did doubt that I had been given the diffuser role. You said so yourself here: 6 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: I'm inclined to think you either made uuuuuuuuup the bomb story as a justification for targeting Hyacinth or you didn't try to defuuuuuuuuse any bombs at all last night. And there's this: On 8/23/2020 at 11:52 PM, Gilford Goat said: Not in the mood for this. Investigated the Elephant. Not scum. Not to speak ill of the dead, but Raccoon wanted me to investigate the Elephant and I'm salty I didn't target someone I wanted to like lamb. We're not at any serious risk yet I don't think but I'm still fucking pissed. Hmm. Convenient. On 8/24/2020 at 3:53 AM, Shainen Sheepdog said: Did the result state they were not scum, meaning Emeric could be town or trickster? On 8/24/2020 at 4:02 AM, Gilford Goat said: Yes. A player has been investigated as "not scum" indicating they could be grown or the trickster. But no one has questioned Emeric over this. Nor has he bothered to come out an explain why this might be the case. Something rubs me up the wrong way about this. We literally have an investigation result points towards a player being the trickster and no one has said anything. Emeric, would you like to explain this? Is there any reason why Gilford has been given a "not scum" reading on you? At this point I'm torn on who to vote for. Leatrix Lamb for her backtracking or Benicia Bear for allegedly being given a role that conveniently does nothing but also for the fact that the only other player who could vouch for her (Rutherford) is dead. Both could be scum but Benicia Bear and her convenience is too suspicious for me so I'm going to Vote: Benicia Bear One other thing I wanted to add. Gilbert's wording for his result was "not scum" and it was only until he was asked did he clarify exactly what this meant. I could see the scum wanting to frame another player as the trickster OR the trickster wanting to frame another player as the trickster. Just a thought.
Gilford Goat Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: it sounds like you want him to look very town, so that you look town. Yeah this.
Gilford Goat Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, Marlowe Monkey said: We literally have an investigation result points towards a player being the trickster and no one has said anything. Uh...no. 36 minutes ago, Marlowe Monkey said: Is there any reason why Gilford has been given a "not scum" reading on you? Probably because if we find the trickster to easily shit would get boring fast and I'd be forced to post memes for my own enjoyment and to make you all suffer. Try me b*tch. 39 minutes ago, Marlowe Monkey said: Gilbert's wording for his result was "not scum" What are scum called? Baby dragon haters. Well it said he wasn't that. scum, baby dragon haters, same thing. Trying not to directly quote. You know what's up. 42 minutes ago, Marlowe Monkey said: and it was only until he was asked did he clarify exactly what this meant. Yeah well that wasn't necessary, sheepdog is just dumb. I don't undersatnd. what does Leatrix see in him. He's all looks and no brain.
Benicia Bear Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 SHOUTY SHOUTY *GENERAL BEAR NOISES* 40 minutes ago, Marlowe Monkey said: Benicia Bear for allegedly being given a role that conveniently does nothing but also for the fact that the only other player who could vouch for her (Rutherford) is dead. Both could be scum but Benicia Bear and her convenience is too suspicious for me VERY NICE BUT, A lot of roles didn't really do anything, conveniently or otherwise Rutherford was not the only player I claimed to in the night Nobody else has claimed my role, so I either had that one or another not very interesting role, and I would have had to have made a good guess on the whole "vengeful" plot twist that has been confirmed by Shainen The fact you have nothing to say AT ALL about PARVANI speaks volumes. Sorry, I meant VOLUMES! 40 minutes ago, Marlowe Monkey said: A player has been investigated as "not scum" indicating they could be grown or the trickster. But no one has questioned Emeric over this. Nor has he bothered to come out an explain why this might be the case. Something rubs me up the wrong way about this. We literally have an investigation result points towards a player being the trickster and no one has said anything. Emeric, would you like to explain this? Is there any reason why Gilford has been given a "not scum" reading on you? 40 minutes ago, Marlowe Monkey said: One other thing I wanted to add. Gilbert's wording for his result was "not scum" and it was only until he was asked did he clarify exactly what this meant. I could see the scum wanting to frame another player as the trickster OR the trickster wanting to frame another player as the trickster. Just a thought. SO YOU'RE WANTING TO implicate either Emeric or Gilford. Emeric's investigation result means little right now, as I've already said, especially in the light of possible manipulation from whatever the scum's mystery role was. I don't think this implicates Gilford necessarily, but if Emeric is the trickster then current evidence suggests he doesn't have a killing role. Scum do have a killing role, and I think you're one of them. VOTE STANDS.
Emeric Elephant Posted August 26, 2020 Posted August 26, 2020 I can't believe people think I'm the trickster *cough Marlowe Monkey cough* Anyway, I'm not convinced Marlowe is town, which is why I'll vote as I will later in the post. Who am I kidding? I'm voting because we know Marlowe is scum. I think Marlowe is trying to save face, especially after looking at @Benicia Bear's post where I saw this... Quote A lot of roles didn't really do anything, conveniently or otherwise Yeah mine have been basically worthless. Vote: Marlowe Monkey
Parvani Poodle Posted August 26, 2020 Posted August 26, 2020 16 hours ago, Gilford Goat said: You already answered your question. It made you look town. Not really. Follow me. It makes me look Town only if everyone knows you're Town, but you could just as well be Scum and that would make me look Scum too. See, I'm pretty sure you're Town only because I know I'm Town, and that I know I switched you with Caladon and Caladon has been killed by Scum. From my Town perspective, you must be Town. But from anyone's else perspective, you should be an unknown quantity who happened to kill a Townie on night one. Until one of us is proven Town, that is. 7 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: WITH the Framer and Tailor roles knocking about, and night 2 when the scum had a Godfather, an investigation result isn't worth all that much really (sorry Emeric). Somebody being blocked by the scum? Well, they couldn't possibly be scum themself could they? That might well have been what the scum were trying to achieve. That doesn't mean I think Gilford is scum necessarily, it just doesn't prove him to be town, and it sounds like you want him to look very town, so that you look town. See above. I don't want him to look Town to make me look Town, because it's not the way it works. I think he's Town because I am Town and that Scum wouldn't have targeted him on Night 1. Given my night result there's no reason I should think otherwise. Ok he could also be the Trickster for that matter but at this point let's just talk about "not-Scum". 7 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: ACTUALLY MOST people thought the vengeful roles worked just like you did, but that isn't the point. You claim you were being "thorough", I think you were deliberately trying to confuse people. Neither one of us can prove anything either way I guess, but I felt the need to point it out. THIS IS THE THING, THOUGH, you were being so "thorough" with considering all possibilities around the deaths and wanting to think about them OUT LOUD, but you skipped straight to saying it was Bartosz who had died by bomb apparently because of a cryptic clue in the pictures, and I don't remember there being any prior consensus about that. It doesn't matter about the time in between, it's the jarring difference in your approach. Let's just agree to disagree then. 7 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: YOU VOTED FOR GILFORD because of his "hey, let's all claim!" caper, but that was it. You didn't exactly say much more about it, or make a great big case against him, so how are we to know how suspicious or not you were of him? Whether you claim to have been suspicious of him or not matters little in the scenario that you're scum anyway. And if you are town and you can imagine a few reasons why scum would want Gilford dead, then why divert to Caladon who you apparently thought was town? I couldn't make a big case against it, because there wasn't one to be made. Don't pretend there could be a solid case against anyone on Day 1. I don't think anyone was lynched that day, right? It was my best guess on that day and night. I switched Gilford with Caladon because I thought Gilford was being scummy. I only switched gears after seeing the night results. Once I realized Gilford was probably Town, then I tried to figure out why Scum would want him dead. It's not rocket science and you're mixing random elements to try to fit your scenario but your story doesn't match what the day threads tell quite clearly. 7 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: THAT LOGIC IS NOT logical. I don't think there is an "if a is x then b is y" scenario here. At the moment I'm feeling more that you're scum and Gilford is.. not scum, and you didn't drive anything. The scum would know exactly who would be drivng whom in the scenario you're scum. You think I didn't drive? Bus Driver was a compulsory action, I couldn't not use it. So I did my best to use it according to what little evidence -- okay, basically nothing at all but hunches -- I had at the time. 7 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: MY OVERALL opinion is that both Marlowe and Parvani are suspicious. I think they both demonstrate scum-prespective in their thought processes, or at least anti-town thought processes. I will: VOTE: MARLOWE MONKEY Well who knows, perhaps even a broken scumdar may speak true once in a while. For reference: On 8/10/2020 at 4:48 PM, Benicia Bear said: I'M actually INCLINED TO believe you about the role YOU CLAIMED, as that was HOW I interpreted OMROM's response to me, but implying that OBVIOUSLY we were all going to claim and then blaming what you said on badly englishing when you SEEM TO KNOW a lot about it, well, that seems disingenuous to me. Never thought I'd vote for someone over grammar Vote: Mobley Mouse On 8/17/2020 at 10:37 AM, Benicia Bear said: I REALLY AM torn between wanting to vote for Hyacinth for her scumminess and her hippety hoppety fippety floppety, and also wanting to vote for Rutherford as there's been a good case made that he's the trickster. TO MY knowledge I've not seen the trickster try to kill anyone yet, so for now I'm going to vote for Hyacinth but I think a lynch of either would be helpful to us. If my vote is needed on Rutherfod, then I'll happily switch, but I won't be around for the very end of the day. VOTE: HYACINTH HIPPO On 8/20/2020 at 12:10 PM, Benicia Bear said: My goodness, I could vote for both of you (except I actually can't, in case anyone thinks that's a soft claim). For consistency, and because Foxy said she'd vote for her too (thanks!), I will: VOTE: HYACINTH HIPPO Which brings me to Marlowe. There may be something to the evidence brought forward today, but I find interesting that the lynch votes would pile up so smoothly... Is Marlowe truly Scum and Holbrook/Shainen are looking for a way to get him out of trouble? Is Marlowe Scum and his teammates are bussing him? Or is Marlowe Town/Trickster and Scum are just happy to help us lynching him? I'm not in any hurry to cast a vote.
Hinckley Posted August 26, 2020 Author Posted August 26, 2020 Vote tally Marlowe Monkey: 5 (Gilford Goat, Benicia Bear, Corrina Cow, Leatrix Lamb, Emeric Elephant)Benicia Bear: 1 (Marlowe Monkey) Non-voters: 3 (Holbrook Horse, Parvani Poodle, Shainen Sheepdog) With 9 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch. Currently, Marlowe Monkey will be lynched. Approximately 14 hours remain in Day Four. 9 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: VOTE: MARLOWE MONKEY 8 hours ago, Corrina Cow said: Vote: Marlowe Monkey 8 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: Vote: Marlowe Monkey 7 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: Vote: Benicia Bear 3 hours ago, Emeric Elephant said: Vote: Marlowe Monkey
Leatrix Lamb Posted August 26, 2020 Posted August 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: What??!!!! You literally said in your previous post it was exactly about timings. You accused me of fabricating having the bomb diffuser role by deliberately waiting for other players to claim their roles. An accusation that is untrue. No. You did doubt that I had been given the diffuser role. You said so yourself here: No, I don't doubt you were given the rooooooole. I said that I think you made up the stoooooooory about how you thought the bomb would wooooooork (that it would blow up everyone targeting the holder, which you immediately backtracked on without any evidence to the contraaaaaaaary, because we haven't seen claims of the holder of the bomb being targeted laaaaaaast night) to justify targeting Hyacinth instead of someone like Rutherford because he would make a good taaaaaaaarget for a watcher. 7 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: A player has been investigated as "not scum" indicating they could be grown or the trickster. But no one has questioned Emeric over this. Nor has he bothered to come out an explain why this might be the case. Something rubs me up the wrong way about this. We literally have an investigation result points towards a player being the trickster and no one has said anything. Emeric, would you like to explain this? Is there any reason why Gilford has been given a "not scum" reading on you? An investigator being told "town/not town" or "scum/not scum" is quite coooooommon, especially when there's a third party involved. That doesn't rule him out of being the triiiiiiiiickster (or a tailored baby dragon hater or their godfather for that maaaaaaaatter), but the result doesn't make it more likely that he is the trickster eeeiiiiiither. 6 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: The fact you have nothing to say AT ALL about PARVANI speaks volumes. Sorry, I meant VOLUMES! Her comments at the beginning of the daaaaaaaay suggests she knows it was Bartosz who blew up and it is rather remaaaaaaaarkable that no one seems to have an opinion about that. 1 hour ago, Parvani Poodle said: Not really. Follow me. It makes me look Town only if everyone knows you're Town, but you could just as well be Scum and that would make me look Scum too. See, I'm pretty sure you're Town only because I know I'm Town, and that I know I switched you with Caladon and Caladon has been killed by Scum. From my Town perspective, you must be Town. But from anyone's else perspective, you should be an unknown quantity who happened to kill a Townie on night one. Until one of us is proven Town, that is. This works one way, but nooooooot the other. If Gilford is a baby dragon hater, you have to be invooooooolved with your night one bus driving. However, if Gilford is an emaaaaaaaancipator, you could still be a baby dragon hater. And that's not eeeeeeeven considering one of you may be the triiiiiiickster. 8 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: The question was directed at eeeeeeeeveryone and the animals involved in particulaaaaaaar. @Emeric Elephant, @Holbrook Horse, @Gilford Goat?
Marlowe Monkey Posted August 26, 2020 Posted August 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Emeric Elephant said: IWho am I kidding? I'm voting because we know Marlowe is scum. That's a very bold statement to make. Tell me Emeric how do you "know" I am scum? You've never voiced any suspicions at me before so do you actually think I'm scum or have you just jumped on the first available bandwagon you've seen? I urge the town to look back at the post. It's going to age badly when I am lynched and flip town tomorrow.
Gilford Goat Posted August 26, 2020 Posted August 26, 2020 19 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: How exactly did Rutherford waaaaaaaaant you to join in? I told him I had another investigative role, and was looking for suggestions. He strongly suggested Elephant. I mentioned to him I was also waiting to hear back from Bulldog. Later he told me to wait if I could until he heard back from two others because he had a plan that'd only work if everyone was onboard. I told him I wouldn't be available, and that I hadn't heard back from Bulldog so I was gonna go with Elephant as he'd suggested. He said Elephant would work fine. Raccoon also said Bulldog told Hippo to track him (raccoon).
Shainen Sheepdog Posted August 26, 2020 Posted August 26, 2020 19 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: Is there anything we can concluuuuuuuude from this night action triangle? That it was all a little too convenient? Why would she have tracked Holbrook? He certainly wasn't her only suspicion yesterday. There were others looking a lot more suspicious than he was. 19 hours ago, Leatrix Lamb said: Bomb defuser was a role that haaaaaaaaaad to be handed out. Bartosz speeeeeeeculated a bit on whether the trickster would be able to give themselves a roooooooole, but even if they could, why would they choose boooooooooomb defuser for themselves (WIFOM aside)? They might want to give it to themselves if they were concerned that they had received a bomb. 18 hours ago, Marlowe Monkey said: It would be far easier to claim Vengeful Watcher or Investigator or even the Baby Dragon Lullaby. You do realise these are accounted for? 14 hours ago, Benicia Bear said: WITH the Framer and Tailor roles knocking about, and night 2 when the scum had a Godfather, an investigation result isn't worth all that much really (sorry Emeric). Somebody being blocked by the scum? Well, they couldn't possibly be scum themself could they? That might well have been what the scum were trying to achieve. That doesn't mean I think Gilford is scum necessarily, it just doesn't prove him to be town, and it sounds like you want him to look very town, so that you look town. Bolding added by me. Why bring these up? They weren't on any list until today's and so haven't come into play yet. Vote: Leatrix. I feel she has thrown a lot of things out there that are designed to create confusion, and then just latching on to whatever Benicia says to support her own position. I'm not convinced fully on Marlowe being scum and think it more likely he just made a dumb choice.
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