42125 Ferrari 488 GTE “AF Corse #51”

[Ngoc Nguyen]

Just now, Bartybum said:

disagree that the average Technic consumer will accept $300 for it.

What 300$ are you talking about? The MSRP of this set is 170$.

[Bartybum]

Just now, Ngoc Nguyen said:

What 300$ are you talking about? The MSRP of this set is 170$.

$300 AUD. For the record:

• Aus prices include tax
• Canadian prices don't
• CAD ~ AUD

Edited November 26, 2020 by Bartybum

[valenciaeric]

6 hours ago, Technicallism said:

WHY WHY WHY!?

Why TLG has repeated the same mistakes again & again...

How many more complaints we need to stop them releasing a sticker-crazy model.

This set is too much different on with & without sticker IMHO.

I would dont mind they make this set abit more cost factored-in with all the sticker turned  into printed part.... 

Come on Lego!

Real racing cars use stickers.

I dont see the problem, if you don´t like them don´t apply them. Using printed parts for such big logos would probably look awful (see the creator Mustang and all the problems it had with misaligned prints) and the you couldn´t reuse the parts for other builds either.

Edited November 26, 2020 by valenciaeric

[howitzer]

Yep, stickers are entirely justified here. If I were to get this model for some reason, I wouldn't apply them because I don't like stickers but I like prints even less because those make the parts almost unusable in MOCs. But the stickers are probably the most reality-accurate part of this car so nothing wrong with having lots of them.

[Gray Gear]

11 minutes ago, valenciaeric said:

Real racing cars use stickers.

I dont see the problem, if you don´t like them don´t apply them. Using printed parts for such big logos would probably look awful (see the creator Mustang and all the problems it had with misaligned prints) and the you couldn´t reuse the parts for other builds either.

I agree, but what about the Ferrari badges? Are these stickers on the real car as well? Honestly its just embarassing that you buy a licensed set and everything that is licensed can be found on the sticker sheet 

But since I only build my own MOCs I have to agree that inside the LEGO universe this is a pretty good parts pack for MOCing.

[paul_delahaye]

I can't be the only one that is not loving all these cars.  I'm kind of feeling you've seen 1 car..........it's just another car.  

yes nice to get parts in new colours, but I'm kind of done now.

 

[AVCampos]

29 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

Honestly its just embarassing that you buy a licensed set and everything that is licensed can be found on the sticker sheet 

I remember reading somewhere that it's preferable for TLG to have a licensed sticker sheet rather than a licensed part.

[Vectormatic]

12 hours ago, howitzer said:

I think one point you're missing here is that all of those pre-2000 sets brought something new to the table. 8865 had proper suspension, Ackermann steering and hideaway headlights, 8880 had synchronized gearbox and four steered and driven wheels while 8448 expanded the gearbox and introduced a widely variable exterior styling. While nostalgia is naturally a factor, all of these earlier sets were truly innovative at their time while 42096 and 42125 don't seem to have anything new to show nor do they include any tried and true but still interesting functions like any construction machinery type set would. For some reason today's car sets don't even include stuff like adjustable seats or hideaway headlights which are of course nothing to write home about but still make a set feel like every part has received a proper consideration in design. Someone somewhere said that a Technic set should be only as large as is required for the functions and no more, and if you look at these sets from this point of view, almost any entry in the TC18 small car contest was at least as good.

Indeed these cars feel really half-assed effort on TLG's part as they could've been so much more.

Agreed 100%, these car bring nothing new to the party, but honestly, these cars are the succesors to 42000, 42039 and 42077, and none of those brought anything new to the table either, 42000s pushrod suspension was cool, but it wasnt a halo car, and neither are these. The new stuff is in the GT3RS, Chiron and Sian line, although even there, there isnt much revolutionary happening. At some point all car features have been done, and going further means so many bespoke parts that you end up with those RC model kits rather then lego with generic and multifunctional blocks.

[howitzer]

1 hour ago, vectormatic said:

Agreed 100%, these car bring nothing new to the party, but honestly, these cars are the succesors to 42000, 42039 and 42077, and none of those brought anything new to the table either, 42000s pushrod suspension was cool, but it wasnt a halo car, and neither are these. The new stuff is in the GT3RS, Chiron and Sian line, although even there, there isnt much revolutionary happening. At some point all car features have been done, and going further means so many bespoke parts that you end up with those RC model kits rather then lego with generic and multifunctional blocks.

Well, GT3RS had the sequential gearbox, which Chiron improved upon with the wave selector and while both of those sets were flawed in some aspects, apparently the Sian fixed most issues. I think the wave selector is actually pretty revolutionary, but beyond that there wasn't much of notable technical features in these cars.

You're right of course in that most car features have been done over and over again and it's hard to invent anything new, at least if you don't want to continue making new parts which would mostly improve existing features instead of bringing something truly novel. The same basic problem applies to other Technic sets too, it's hard to come by anything truly novel while still keeping in mind that the sets must be marketable to wide audience.

So I guess we'll be seeing more fast cars and cranes and excavators for the years to come. As for the cars though, at this scale I'd hope to see at least a fake engine, some kind of gearbox and Ackermann steering and perhaps some minor functions like opening doors/adjustable seats/etc. These empty shell cars don't feel worthy of the Technic branding, Creator cars look much better anyway if all you care about is a pretty exterior.

[Technicallism]

4 hours ago, howitzer said:

Yep, stickers are entirely justified here. If I were to get this model for some reason, I wouldn't apply them because I don't like stickers but I like prints even less because those make the parts almost unusable in MOCs. But the stickers are probably the most reality-accurate part of this car so nothing wrong with having lots of them.

Honestly, you buy a set because you like the design you like the model, and you enjoy the building process & the display after built. I will just keep it built & display if I like because every set will be retired & every set is one & only, unless re-release by lego. Don’t understand why buy a set for MOC, if want MOC just go bricklink buy loose part.

[Gray Gear]

Just now, Technicallism said:

Don’t understand why buy a set for MOC, if want MOC just go bricklink buy loose part.

Because buying sets to increase your own parts pool should be much cheaper than buying all the pieces individually. Buying Bricks on Bricklink is expensive.

[1gor]

3 minutes ago, Gray Gear said:

Because buying sets to increase your own parts pool should be much cheaper than buying all the pieces individually. Buying Bricks on Bricklink is expensive.

Mostly the cheapest way to gain parts is to buy a whole set (you never know what next idea will cross your mind and you'll need more parts...)

[Gray Gear]

6 minutes ago, I_Igor said:

you never know what next idea will cross your mind and you'll need more parts

Exactly. And when you get a new piece that you didn't have before new ideas and solutions become possible. I often find myself ordering bricks just because they look useful or intresting, and not because I really need them right now 

Edited November 26, 2020 by Gray Gear

[keymaker]

Just now, Gray Gear said:

I often find myself ordering bricks just because they look useful or intresting, and not because I really need them right now

Same here. It seems to be some sort of "collector's thing"

[1gor]

Just now, Gray Gear said:

I often find myself ordering bricks just because they look useful or intresting, and not because I really need them right now 

I have done the same thing more than once and very often when I have new piece in my hand I got an idea how to optimise some part of my moc like axle or chassis or similar...

[Mechbuilds]

I hate how they made the headlights. Using a sticker there is just lazy. 

[Vectormatic]

2 minutes ago, Mechbuilds said:

I hate how they made the headlights. Using a sticker there is just lazy.  

The headlights look printed to me

 

And given the shape of the headlights, and how for instance, the Sian's headlights look, i think a print is the best possible thing they could have done here

[Gray Gear]

7 minutes ago, Mechbuilds said:

I hate how they made the headlights. Using a sticker there is just lazy. 

I think at least the headlights are printed, if nothing else. Doing accurate headlights is hard, I always have to spent a lot of time on the headlights when building a 1:8 car MOC. But taking the easy way out really is pretty boring.

I have deciced not to build a car before as well, because I couldn't figure out how to do the headlights. I think the "If you cant do it, dont do it" mindset is something all MOCers have to some extent. But TLG does not think that way.

Edited November 26, 2020 by Gray Gear

[howitzer]

1 hour ago, Technicallism said:

Honestly, you buy a set because you like the design you like the model, and you enjoy the building process & the display after built. I will just keep it built & display if I like because every set will be retired & every set is one & only, unless re-release by lego. Don’t understand why buy a set for MOC, if want MOC just go bricklink buy loose part.

If I buy a set, it'll always be primarily as a parts pack but I try to choose sets which are also enjoyable for their building process and include cool functions, but I'll dismantle almost all sets eventually for MOCing. As others have noted, buying parts in sets is much cheaper than from Bricklink so unless you know exactly what you want and how many of them, it's cheaper to expand your parts collection with sets. Bricklink steps into the picture when you need only a few types of pieces or pieces that are not in production or are otherwise hard/expensive to acquire from sets. For example, I bought recently from BL two C+ L motors and a new-type pneumatic switch for my excavator MOC, as those are expensive to get with sets, but on the other hand, about a year ago I bought 42096 purely as a parts pack when it happened to be available with huge discount. Nice big pile of black and white panels and some other part types which I didn't have too many previously.

[Erik Leppen]

6 hours ago, vectormatic said:

Agreed 100%, these car bring nothing new to the party, but honestly, these cars are the succesors to 42000, 42039 and 42077, and none of those brought anything new to the table either

What's interesting about 42000, 42039 and 42077 is that they're all "just" cars. No licence. The newer cars are mostly licenced replicas of real cars. The effect of this, at least in my eyes, is that the focus is shifting. Away from what defines Technic. Apparently, being "just a car" isn't working for the public, or at least, being a car with a brand name stamped on it seems to work better.

Really, I don't get why people would buy Technic for looks. If it's for the looks, System works much better. Technic is optimized for functions. I mean, sure, I drool over the Sian, but mostly from a parts and build/design perspective.

6 hours ago, vectormatic said:

At some point all car features have been done

• Ride height adjustment
• Rear steering that changes direction depending on low or high gear
• Simulated brakes (as in, some movement in the cabin moves things near the wheel)
• Headlights that move along with steering
• Rear wing (or other airflow-control surface) that moves along with gear change
• Some suspension advances - camber, caster, torsion bar - I don't know what the first two are for, but having them in a set would be a good opportunity to experience that
• Removeable bodywork
• Built-in jack (there was a creator set that did this)
• Actual modular design, where e.g. the gearbox, engine or suspension can be removed easily

just a few functions I can't remember being done in a set, but that exist in some real cars. It's not like there aren't any interesting functions left. or even something simple like a transverse engine or anything that breaks the "same old". Even if it were done before, things like convertible roof, moveable headlights, adjustable seats are still very welcome, because it has been a while since we saw those...

Thing is that apparently - and these sets prove this - the goal of Technic isn't to educate people about the technical workings of things anymore. Which is a shame, because there's no other theme that does this to the same extent.

2 hours ago, Technicallism said:

Don’t understand why buy a set for MOC, if want MOC just go bricklink buy loose part.

One reason to buy a set for MOC is to learn techniques from it. (for excample, 42054 Claas was great for showing how a steering mode selector could be done. Seeing this happen in a set and experiencing it while building it, sparks my interest in trying similar things in other-type models.) Unfortunately, this educational aspect is diminishing because of the above-mentioned lack of novelty - and because gearboxes are nowadays made too complicated to even comprehend, without there being a particular reason for the complicatedness (42083). I stopped even trying to understand how 42110 was supposed to work, because honestly I couldn't care, with gears and axles being all over the place (probably because in a licenced set, correct external proportions seem more important than actual workings nowadays).

[Thirdwigg]

51 minutes ago, Erik Leppen said:

 

• Ride height adjustment
• Rear steering that changes direction depending on low or high gear
• Simulated brakes (as in, some movement in the cabin moves things near the wheel)
• Headlights that move along with steering
• Rear wing (or other airflow-control surface) that moves along with gear change
• Some suspension advances - camber, caster, torsion bar - I don't know what the first two are for, but having them in a set would be a good opportunity to experience that
• Removeable bodywork
• Built-in jack (there was a creator set that did this)
• Actual modular design, where e.g. the gearbox, engine or suspension can be removed easily

just a few functions I can't remember being done in a set, but that exist in some real cars. It's not like there aren't any interesting functions left. or even something simple like a transverse engine or anything that breaks the "same old". Even if it were done before, things like convertible roof, moveable headlights, adjustable seats are still very welcome, because it has been a while since we saw those...

I'm still waiting for a car with four doors.

But I think we will see your list completed, before I get a proper sedan.

[AVCampos]

Some of those functions (like the ride height adjustment, the removable bodywork, the built-in jack and the modular design) have already been implemented in the past, but admittedly not in the same model.

 

10 minutes ago, Thirdwigg said:

I'm still waiting for a car with four doors.

Four-door cars aren't usually "cool" enough to make a set. For example, as well-done and full of functionality this is, do you think kids would pester their parents to get them one if they saw it on a shelf?

[howitzer]

4 minutes ago, AVCampos said:

Some of those functions (like the ride height adjustment, the removable bodywork, the built-in jack and the modular design) have already been implemented in the past, but admittedly not in the same model.

 

Four-door cars aren't usually "cool" enough to make a set. For example, as well-done and full of functionality this is, do you think kids would pester their parents to get them one if they saw it on a shelf?

The masterpiece you linked is as great build as it gets, but unfortunately you're probably right about the cool factor, if you imagine it as a real set. On the other hand I believe some sort of SUV could have enough of cool factor to make kids pester their parents about it, and include four doors too. Hummer could be too, except it is probably too militaristic for TLG.

Maybe a non-super luxury car like Jaguar or Maserati?

[zux]

@Erik Leppen

Ride height adjustment has been part of 8297 functions, although not as fancy as it sounds.

Somewhat modular design was used in 8448 set. base body could be rebuilt into several (9, think?) models with engine having ability to be removed quickly and placed behind the seats.

And I'd love to see some new models with other functions you've mentioned.

37 minutes ago, Thirdwigg said:

I'm still waiting for a car with four doors.

But I think we will see your list completed, before I get a proper sedan.

I suspect 4-door vehicle's body/frame might not be as rigid as 2/3-door and have an added (pricey) complexity because of that.

[AVCampos]

4 minutes ago, zux said:

I suspect 4-door vehicle's body/frame might not be as rigid as 2/3-door and have an added (pricey) complexity because of that.

An example of that is the new Defender: while there are two- and four-door versions of the real car, a LEGO rendition of the four-door version wouldn't add much value to the model compared to the 42110 we ended up with (perhaps just more room for the gearbox).