42125 Ferrari 488 GTE “AF Corse #51”

[Vectormatic]

1 hour ago, zux said:

I suspect 4-door vehicle's body/frame might not be as rigid as 2/3-door and have an added (pricey) complexity because of that.

 

 

I doubt that body rigidity is a factor, lego cars never get any stifness out of the a-pillars or roof, It is always this big multilayer tunnel/floorplan which adds structure to the model. IF anything, proper B-pillars connected to the roof will actually add stiffnes, and make for a much shorter "floating" length of roof to the A-pilars.

[2GodBDGlory]

15 hours ago, howitzer said:

 If I were to get this model for some reason, I wouldn't apply them because I don't like stickers but I like prints even less because those make the parts almost unusable in MOCs.

I agree, and I don't think this opinion gets heard enough.

12 hours ago, howitzer said:

You're right of course in that most car features have been done over and over again and it's hard to invent anything new, at least if you don't want to continue making new parts which would mostly improve existing features instead of bringing something truly novel. 

 

8 hours ago, Erik Leppen said:

 

• Ride height adjustment
• Rear steering that changes direction depending on low or high gear
• Simulated brakes (as in, some movement in the cabin moves things near the wheel)
• Headlights that move along with steering
• Rear wing (or other airflow-control surface) that moves along with gear change
• Some suspension advances - camber, caster, torsion bar - I don't know what the first two are for, but having them in a set would be a good opportunity to experience that
• Removeable bodywork
• Built-in jack (there was a creator set that did this)
• Actual modular design, where e.g. the gearbox, engine or suspension can be removed easily

just a few functions I can't remember being done in a set, but that exist in some real cars. It's not like there aren't any interesting functions left. or even something simple like a transverse engine or anything that breaks the "same old". Even if it were done before, things like convertible roof, moveable headlights, adjustable seats are still very welcome, because it has been a while since we saw those...

Thing is that apparently - and these sets prove this - the goal of Technic isn't to educate people about the technical workings of things anymore. Which is a shame, because there's no other theme that does this to the same extent.

Good list of interesting functions! I have personally built all of those except for the gear-controlled wing, built-in jack, and modular design. Out of these, a number of them could certainly make their way into real sets, but some of them are simply too unreliable and complicated to be used in an official set with current parts (Well, the brakes at least, if the brakes are going to be realistic, and the torsion bars would be anathema to purists {unless they made new flexy axles like the old 16L ones})

Edited November 27, 2020 by 2GodBDGlory

[JunkstyleGio]

This one by @grohl is still brilliant. Multlple functions and awesome shape! (the real Skoda Favorit is one of the most boring cars ever..) Maybe this can be a model and base-idea for a 1:8 Rally Car.

 

[Ethan0080]

For me this is a good moc parts car. I will use it and blend into Bruno's 488 to be the ultimate Le man car. 

[TechnicRCRacer]

This is a pretty sad set, was hoping for a different Ferrari. The panels just don’t work in my opinion. The new colors are great and I will just get those off Bricks and Pieces. 

[Jurss]

Just imagine, lego creates perfect car, some of forum grands build it, and realise - there is nothing to mod. No possibility to make some ultimate version. It will be really boring.

Now lego makes model for everybody - some will build it and enjoy as it is, mocers get new parts, some parts in new colors, some get possibility to play around with improvements. In fact, everybody should be happy, but not to complain.

Somebody are pretty close to wining.

[XenoRad]

Overall I have a positive opinion on this set but with a few notable exceptions.

It does look good from most angles but from others not so much. The area behind the doors is a bit busy and the wheels, while in the correct position, also look off depending on how you look at them. I think the main issue with them is not so much the size or the absence of brake calipers, but the fact that you get to see all of those chassis pieces and pins behind the wheels and they're in various colors. Seeing that from certain angles gives it an empty feeling.

 Again there's no HOG and I see the hood also doesn't open like in 42096. The A pillars are again made of soft axles which offer little rigidity so reinforcing the roof connections may need to be done if you wish to pick it up from there.

I actually like 42096, but only because I got it at a discount, had great looks (despite the proportions of the front) and I could add some features (HOG, open-able hood) with little effort. But this year we got the Charger which was a step up function wise and I was hoping that for the 1:10 or so scale cars we would start to see some of those functions as standard.

Regarding a gearbox - I would not consider it a must for this scale. It would be difficult to cram all the gears in but we could do with a simple D-N-R selector. However I would trade a gearbox for suspension for this type of cars. Track cars don't have that much suspension travel anyway, removing it here would mean the ride height and how well the wheels fill the arches could be improved, while a proper functioning gearbox would instead greatly add to the play-ability as well.

[SNIPE]

Here's something thats rackin' my brain, What parts are used for the headlights? system pieces? or are they new technic panels?

Regards, S

[Bartybum]

10 minutes ago, SNIPE said:

Here's something thats rackin' my brain, What parts are used for the headlights? system pieces? or are they new technic panels?

Regards, S

I think they're red Speed Champions windshields, like this:

[JunkstyleGio]

Very nice find! Kuddo's @Bartybum

Now i can see what TLG did with this part. Its  a see-through lighting print with red coting on the sides!

I certainly can live with that!.

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by JunkstyleGio
Text added.

[J_C]

wheels are too small, tires look way too off-road, recycled rims are cheap solution, proportions are wrong, it looks great from 3/4 front angle and looks poorly from most of other angles, I do not know, I think lego is not trying hard at all lately.

[captainmib]

10 hours ago, Jurss said:

Just imagine, lego creates perfect car, some of forum grands build it, and realise - there is nothing to mod. No possibility to make some ultimate version. It will be really boring.

Now lego makes model for everybody - some will build it and enjoy as it is, mocers get new parts, some parts in new colors, some get possibility to play around with improvements. In fact, everybody should be happy, but not to complain.

Somebody are pretty close to wining.

I'm hearing this to many times, and it makes no sense.

A perfect set that would somehow also be boring? Because it can't be improved?

Lego is just making to many [TECHNIC] sets that are meh on the functional side. This Ferrari is just the next example.

The perfect set doesn't exist, but my wallet is being closed for two years now. I would probably have bought 42113...

Sets like this come with heaps of panels, which I own enough of. Other than the looks, I think this set lacks Technicality

[Zerobricks]

3 hours ago, JunkstyleGio said:

Very nice find! Kuddo's @Bartybum

Now i can see what TLG did with this part. Its  a see-through lighting print with red coting on the sides!

I certainly can live with that!.

 

That's quite brilliant and you can light it up much easier!

[Gray Gear]

2 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

you can light it up much easier!

I think the light would go though the printed red color on the entire pice as well, would probably look bad in the dark

[JunkstyleGio]

1 hour ago, J_C said:

wheels are too small, tires look way too off-road, recycled rims are cheap solution, proportions are wrong, it looks great from 3/4 front angle and looks poorly from most of other angles, I do not know, I think lego is not trying hard at all lately.

Anything positive to say?

 

 

[Zerobricks]

1 hour ago, J_C said:

wheels are too small, tires look way too off-road, recycled rims are cheap solution, proportions are wrong, it looks great from 3/4 front angle and looks poorly from most of other angles, I do not know, I think lego is not trying hard at all lately.

If it's such a failed model, why don't you show Lego and to us how to do it properly?

[JunkstyleGio]

Just now, Gray Gear said:

I think the light would go though the printed red color on the entire pice as well, would probably look bad in the dark

true but some ductape will help you there.

[Lasse D]

3 hours ago, J_C said:

wheels are too small, (...)

If you look back in the thread, you can see that the wheels are too big!

[JintaiZ]

On 11/25/2020 at 2:04 PM, lmdesigner42 said:

I feel like 42125 is slightly overpriced compared to recent sets in a similar price range. I did a little research (see below) and several other sets have better value in terms of number of pieces and functions/motorization. Even the most similar set, 42096, has a lower cost per piece. Maybe red parts cost more?

	price USD	part count	cents per piece
42125	$170.00	1677	$0.10	licensed
42113	$150.00	1636	$0.09	licensed	PU
42096	$150.00	1580	$0.09	licensed
42098	$180.00	2493	$0.07
42078	$180.00	2595	$0.07	licensed
42069	$180.00	2382	$0.08
42054	$180.00	1977	$0.09	licensed	PF

I'm pretty used to the fact that licensed supercars generally have a higher PPP than other technic sets. Compared to Bugatti Chiron and Lamborghini Sian, I think the value is acceptable here.

I can't really call it amazing value, but that won't stop me from buying it.

[Erik Leppen]

I have to say the transparent headlight piece with the red sticker is certainly an improvement over having a red piece there. Would have hoped to see some actual transparent studs behind the piece though, instead of the details on the sticker. It's nothing that can't be added though, so that might be a simple first mod.

[jshuiting]

On 11/26/2020 at 10:49 AM, paul_delahaye said:

I can't be the only one that is not loving all these cars.  I'm kind of feeling you've seen 1 car..........it's just another car.  

yes nice to get parts in new colours, but I'm kind of done now.

 

As someone who collects the arocs sized trucks, i agree. All of those brought something new to the table, but cars are just whatever, chassis with a fake engine and openable doors, woah.

Must say this isn't a good looking one either, the stickers define what it's supposed to mimick, and the shape doesn't even come close to the real deal.

[Jurss]

19 hours ago, Erik Leppen said:

with the red sticker i

It looks more like printed, as also all sides are covered in red.

[JunkstyleGio]

@Jurss I don't expect it to be printed on the side..

 

[Rudivdk]

@JunkstyleGio most ( if not all) canopy pieces with some kind of pattern on it are printed on all sides, whether these sides are concave or flat (see Star Wars sets, City Space Mission sets etc).

I've never seen TLG combine prints and stickers on one single part (correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know every set&part...) So if the sides have a pattern, it'll probably be printed as well.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Rudivdk
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[Zerobricks]

Not to mention you can't really apply stickers to parts which are curved in more than one axis.