42131 - CAT D11 Bulldozer

[nerdsforprez]

Well darn.....I was seriously considering getting this set. 

But with only one hub and for motors it is hard to justify cost versus 42100 with 2 hubs and 7 motors.  

[Nazgarot]

I was hoping for a range of movement on the blade allowing for this:

But that would require differential control of all 4 blade LAs...

Well well. Back to designing my own D11 it seems. :)

-ED-

[Bricktrain]

I think we will find out more very soon, it cant be too long now before it is officially revealed, there are lots of conflicting rumors at present

[Ngoc Nguyen]

The news that it has only 1 hub and 4 motors is disappointing. I just dont get it. TLG seems like they want to go all out and push the boundaries as far as possible with recent flagships. They already show that they can do a set with two hubs and 7 motors. 

Assuming there are certain space constraints that I don't know about, and the set has to be designed like that, the choice of motorized functions is confusing. The previous two bulldozers only have front blade lift. Now that the designer has created an additional drive train for front blade pitch, I assume TLG wants the functions to be as realistic as possible. Then the rear ripper only has 1 motorized function, with fake brick built cylinders pretending to be another function , while the ladder is motorized instead. I'd prefer a proper with two motorized function and a manual ladder.

I do hope that I was wrong then.

[Bartybum]

A gearbox and all would be really cool, and hooray to them for putting in the extra complexity.

However, that choice should be made in the name of increasing cost efficiency. If justification for a ~4K piece set being $750AUD is that it has $250 worth of electronics in it, then when you halve the amount of electronics the price really should reflect that change. Given TLC's latest 18+ pricing gimmick, (namely the Raptor) I'm really worried that there's a possibility they'll try to gaslight their customers into thinking that $750AUD is acceptable, because it just isn't. Alas, I'll reserve flipping out at them until we have more information.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Bartybum

[Ngoc Nguyen]

Comparison between this set and 42100

- 42131 has 6 motorized functions while 42100 has 7
- 42131 has 1 hub while 42100 has 2
- 42131 has 4 motors while 42100 has 7
- 42131 has 3854 pieces while 42100 has 4108 pieces
- 42131 and 42100 have the same price (450 USD and 450 EUR)

It doesn't make sense to me.

[Dylan M]

It means He never surpass 42100..? 

We will see... 

[Bartybum]

11 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

It doesn't make sense to me.

You're forgetting the all important factor here - 42131 is 18+ so that means it must be worth the money

Seriously though, if this is true then it's so insidious and morally corrupt of TLC

Edited August 22, 2021 by Bartybum

[Ngoc Nguyen]

53 minutes ago, Bartybum said:

it's so insidious and morally corrupt of TLC

It's just business as usual: sellers want to charge the highest price that the market is willing to pay.

[Bartybum]

37 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

It's just business as usual: sellers want to charge the highest price that the market is willing to pay.

Unfortunately so, but it shouldn’t be excused

[jorgeopesi]

I do not know enough about business but I think that a lower price could increase the sales but I suppose Lego knows well what is doing losing people like me.

 

 

[Bartybum]

1 hour ago, jorgeopesi said:

I do not know enough about business but I think that a lower price could increase the sales but I suppose Lego knows well what is doing losing people like me.

More sales doesn't guarantee more profit though. I think they're probably trying to see how far they can push the profit curve. Aside from the tow truck, I feel that every single large licensed set this year has fallen inline with that philosophy: the Ferrari, Senna, Jeep, Raptor, Zetros and (possibly) now the CAT.

That being said, I'm going to wait until we get more info before I judge

Edited August 22, 2021 by Bartybum

[Bricktrain]

Best just wait a bit longer for the official release, I know things have changed before but this was to be a set with 7 motors when it was first advised to retailers.

[HectorMB]

3 minutes ago, Bricktrain said:

Best just wait a bit longer for the official release, I know things have changed before but this was to be a set with 7 motors when it was first advised to retailers.

I agree on this. Best it's just to wait. 

[JaBaCaDaBra]

3 hours ago, Dylan M said:

We will see... 

They're laughing their a ss es off there in Billund reading al this whilst that mouldy king curses them for being set on the wrong track again.

Edited August 22, 2021 by JaBaCaDaBra

[jorgeopesi]

For me It is not a problem the price I am just a MOC builder I only buy interesting pieces, but It is sad that Lego wanted to be an exclusive toy.

[eric trax]

4 hours ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

Comparison between this set and 42100

- 42131 has 6 motorized functions while 42100 has 7
- 42131 has 1 hub while 42100 has 2
- 42131 has 4 motors while 42100 has 7
- 42131 has 3854 pieces while 42100 has 4108 pieces
- 42131 and 42100 have the same price (450 USD and 450 EUR)

It doesn't make sense to me.

You are forgetting one more important thing. CAT license cost. It can be much more than Liebherr. Therefore, the set is cheaper.

 

29 minutes ago, jorgeopesi said:

For me It is not a problem the price I am just a MOC builder I only buy interesting pieces, but It is sad that Lego wanted to be an exclusive toy.

See the 42128 Tow-Truck. There is no license, so it's a perfect Technic set for a very good price. Unfortunately, the logos of Mercedes, Liebherr, CAT and others cost...

 

2 hours ago, Bricktrain said:

Best just wait a bit longer for the official release, I know things have changed before but this was to be a set with 7 motors when it was first advised to retailers.

Nothing will change. It has one Technic hub and four engines. You have to live with it :)

Edited August 22, 2021 by eric trax

[Bartybum]

12 minutes ago, eric trax said:

You are forgetting one more important thing. CAT license cost. It can be much more than Liebherr. Therefore, the set is cheaper.

Licensing is a fake cost so it isn't worth considering

12 minutes ago, eric trax said:

Unfortunately, the logos of Mercedes,

Didn't seem to cost much for 8110 and 42043. Those two sets were stellar

Edited August 22, 2021 by Bartybum

[Jundis]

8 minutes ago, eric trax said:

See the 42128 Tow-Truck. There is no license, so it's a perfect Technic set for a very good price. Unfortunately, the logos of Mercedes, Liebherr, CAT and others cost... 

I am really unsure, if there is that much fee for the license. The Arocs retail price was 200€ for 2800 pieces. The Volvo 250€ for 2200 pieces and control+.

How sure are you about the 1 Hub and only 4 Motors?

[Ngoc Nguyen]

13 minutes ago, eric trax said:

It has one Technic hub

Where is the hub placed and how is it accessed (turning on/off and replacing batteries)?

[eric trax]

5 minutes ago, Bartybum said:

Licensing is a fake cost so it isn't worth considering

Didn't seem to cost much for 8110 and 42043. Those two sets were stellar

3 minutes ago, Jundis said:

I am really unsure, if there is that much fee for the license. The Arocs retail price was 200€ for 2800 pieces. The Volvo 250€ for 2200 pieces and control+.

Remember gentlemens, these were the first licensed sets. Then, for example, Mercedes might not know how big the sale will be. Now that the kits with licenses are popular, their price may have increased drastically. The sale of licenses for toys is also a kind of profit for companies.

[1gor]

9 minutes ago, eric trax said:

Remember gentlemens, these were the first licensed sets. Then, for example, Mercedes might not know how big the sale will be. Now that the kits with licenses are popular, their price may have increased drastically. The sale of licenses for toys is also a kind of profit for companies.

It is called marketing  (market study is part of marketing)

[paul_delahaye]

1 hour ago, eric trax said:

Remember gentlemens, these were the first licensed sets. Then, for example, Mercedes might not know how big the sale will be. Now that the kits with licenses are popular, their price may have increased drastically. The sale of licenses for toys is also a kind of profit for companies.

Yes, I'm sure originally it was a bit of kudos for these companies to have a set made by Lego, but now I'm thinking its more for profit.  The relationship with Volvo does not appear to be so much royality based, for that brand link it seems more like Nordic companies working together.  But Merc, Bugatti, Ford, etc.  It's all profit.

 

10 hours ago, Nazgarot said:

I was hoping for a range of movement on the blade allowing for this:

But that would require differential control of all 4 blade LAs...

Well well. Back to designing my own D11 it seems. :)

-ED-

At least Lego are releasing the Ford Raptor around the same time for users to be able to recreate this scene,

Edited August 22, 2021 by paul_delahaye

[Maaboo the Witch]

6 minutes ago, paul_delahaye said:

At least Lego are releasing the Ford Raptor around the same time for users to be able to recreate this scene,

Nah, I'd use a real D11T on 42126.

[Bartybum]

2 hours ago, eric trax said:

Remember gentlemens, these were the first licensed sets. Then, for example, Mercedes might not know how big the sale will be. Now that the kits with licenses are popular, their price may have increased drastically. The sale of licenses for toys is also a kind of profit for companies.

Well yes, but if that's true then surely you realise how fake licensing costs are, no? It doesn't cost a dime for Mercedes or Volvo to sign a contract allowing TLC to release a licensed set, so there shouldn't be any extra cost passed on to the consumer.

More to the point, that's exactly why the licensing costs shouldn't be included in Ngoc's comparison between 42131 and 42100.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Bartybum