LegoCyt Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Guyon2002 said: Nothing but pancakecrocodile asked where this YouTuber got the information from, which is kinda obvious if you watch the video. Oh ok, didn’t fully understand what you meant by that, my bad!
Koolkoalas Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Guyon2002 said: Welcome to EB! It's likely that we'll get a Spinosaurus sometime soon but not because of the reason you listed as JWD will take place on the mainland, not Sorna, and the Spinosaurus from JPIII is already dead. I also wouldn't say something is ''almost fully confirmed'' just based on a theory made without insider knowledge. Wait was it confirmed to have been dead and if not then it still could appear because a teaser for dominion showed that there were people on Isla sorna it was in a teaser but it might be fake even if it is this year is the 20th anniversary of jp3 and when it was the anniversary 25 yrs for jp they did sets so i think it is a possibility
lego_guyon02 Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Koolkoalas said: Wait was it confirmed to have been dead and if not then it still could appear because a teaser for dominion showed that there were people on Isla sorna it was in a teaser but it might be fake even if it is this year is the 20th anniversary of jp3 and when it was the anniversary 25 yrs for jp they did sets so i think it is a possibility It's not on Nublar and Sorna was wiped clean, so yeah it's dead. That teaser image also didn't really mean anything beyond that Sorna will get referenced, which isn't surprising because there were a lot of complaints about Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom largely ignoring the existence of TLW and JPIII. I also wouldn't look at Jurassic Park's 25th anniversary for reference as JPIII wasn't well received and to this day is still hated by many fans of the franchise. Will we get a LEGO Spinosaurus in a future set? Probably. Will it be included in a JPIII set? Unlikely. Not to mention that Spinosaurus isn't on the list of confirmed JWD dinosaurs/creatures yet.
Koolkoalas Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Guyon2002 said: Not to mention that Spinosaurus isn't on the list of confirmed JWD dinosaurs/creatures yet. What is then ? If they were to make a spino I think luccas depiction is very cool and that should what they should try and make it like https://mobile.twitter.com/Lucca2951/status/1295024708321255424/photo/1
lego_guyon02 Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, Koolkoalas said: What is then ? If they were to make a spino I think luccas depiction is very cool and that should what they should try and make it like https://mobile.twitter.com/Lucca2951/status/1295024708321255424/photo/1 Spoiler Tyrannosaurus Rex, Velociraptor, Lystrosaurus, Nasutoceratops, Giganotosaurus, Pyroraptor, Deinonychus, Compsognathus, Stegosaurus and Dimetrodon. Apatosaurus and Therizinosaurus are sorta confirmed but not 100% yet. And regarding the JPIII Spinosaurus: only 2 dinosaurs have been officially confirmed to have come from Sorna, Olive the Brachiosaurus and an unnamed Velociraptor who was put down shortly after being transferred to Nublar. Masrani Global had operations on Sorna so if the Spinosaurus was still alive and not among the dinosaurs that perished we would've heard something about that by now unless they do some lazy retcon, which I find unlikely.
Koolkoalas Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said: Hide contents Tyrannosaurus Rex, Velociraptor, Lystrosaurus, Nasutoceratops, Giganotosaurus, Pyroraptor, Deinonychus, Compsognathus, Stegosaurus and Dimetrodon. Apatosaurus and Therizinosaurus are sorta confirmed but not 100% yet. And regarding the JPIII Spinosaurus: only 2 dinosaurs have been officially confirmed to have come from Sorna, Olive the Brachiosaurus and an unnamed Velociraptor who was put down shortly after being transferred to Nublar. Masrani Global had operations on Sorna so if the Spinosaurus was still alive and not among the dinosaurs that perished we would've heard something about that by now unless they do some lazy retcon, which I find unlikely. Yes but also it was confirmed they did have a spino on isla nublar so they might have gotten it from sorna and it’s been 20 years since we last saw a spino in a set also do you think there is a possibility for a brachiosaurus or a mosasaurs in the future Edit: another thing is (it’s not cannon I think ) that when you go to Isla sorna in jwe the spino is still alive and the game is set in like 2015-2018 Edited January 30, 2021 by Koolkoalas Missed information
Lion King Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said: Reveal hidden contents Tyrannosaurus Rex, Velociraptor, Lystrosaurus, Nasutoceratops, Giganotosaurus, Pyroraptor, Deinonychus, Compsognathus, Stegosaurus and Dimetrodon. Apatosaurus and Therizinosaurus are sorta confirmed but not 100% yet. And regarding the JPIII Spinosaurus: only 2 dinosaurs have been officially confirmed to have come from Sorna, Olive the Brachiosaurus and an unnamed Velociraptor who was put down shortly after being transferred to Nublar. Masrani Global had operations on Sorna so if the Spinosaurus was still alive and not among the dinosaurs that perished we would've heard something about that by now unless they do some lazy retcon, which I find unlikely. Spoiler So they may include Dimetrdon even it is NOT dinsoaur at al. In fact Ptersaurs and marine reptielNOT dinsoaurs at all. Honstly, I was so glad to hear Dimetrodon is kinda confirmed to be featured in Dominion. Definitley the movie will be interesting when it will comes out next year.
lego_guyon02 Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Koolkoalas said: Yes but also it was confirmed they did have a spino on isla nublar so they might have gotten it from sorna and it’s been 20 years since we last saw a spino in a set also do you think there is a possibility for a brachiosaurus or a mosasaurs in the future Edit: another thing is (it’s not cannon I think ) that when you go to Isla sorna in jwe the spino is still alive and the game is set in like 2015-2018 The only Spinosaurus on Nublar is the skeleton on Mainstreet, there's an individual that was supposed to be in Fallen Kingdom but that got cut and thus isn't canon. I'll eat my shoe if we ever get a Brachiosaurus, I can see the Mosasaurus happening but I'm not counting on it. JWE isn't canon.
pancakecrocodile Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) I think if Lego made a Dimetrodon, it would use either the Velociraptor or Gallimimus jaw for the head, while everything else would be fused. It may appear in the $20 set next year...? We are months away from speculation for Dominion, so I wouldn't even try to speculate for all of the sets. Edited January 30, 2021 by pancakecrocodile Except Mosa might appear in $119.99 set
Brickwraith Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Guyon2002 said: The only Spinosaurus on Nublar is the skeleton on Mainstreet, there's an individual that was supposed to be in Fallen Kingdom but that got cut and thus isn't canon. I'll eat my shoe if we ever get a Brachiosaurus, I can see the Mosasaurus happening but I'm not counting on it. JWE isn't canon. the Spino isn't confirmed dead. The tie in material for fallen kingdom said all surviving dinos from sorna were transferred to nublar for jurassic world, also there is one paddock in between the T rex and the Indominous that very well could have been the spino. Just cause a dino hasen't been in the movies so far doesn't mean it wasn't at Jurassic world, for example, the carnotorus wasn't listed as being in the park for Jurassic world, but the it showed up in fallen kingdom and camp cretaceous. So basically, don't count it out yet. It's basically Schrodinger's Spinosaurus at the moment.
lego_guyon02 Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, Brickwraith said: the Spino isn't confirmed dead. The tie in material for fallen kingdom said all surviving dinos from sorna were transferred to nublar for jurassic world, also there is one paddock in between the T rex and the Indominous that very well could have been the spino. Just cause a dino hasen't been in the movies so far doesn't mean it wasn't at Jurassic world, for example, the carnotorus wasn't listed as being in the park for Jurassic world, but the it showed up in fallen kingdom and camp cretaceous. So basically, don't count it out yet. It's basically Schrodinger's Spinosaurus at the moment. Guess you haven't followed the viral marketing for the movies and read EoC then.
Brickwraith Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 I haven't read the book but i am very familiar with the viral marketing I just checked the wiki and it is stated that it is currently unknown what happened to the JP3 Spino, The viral marketing does not tell us exactly what every dino transferred from sorna was and from what and can gather the evolution of claire only takes place in 2004 and they haven't completed the transfer of all creatures from sorna.
pancakecrocodile Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) Do you guys remember what Zia said about clones in FK? They can live up to 5 times as long if given proper food and treatment, and most scientists estimate a Spinosaurus's average life span to be around 70-80 years (there's no way to know for sure, but how else could a huge theropod like a Spino grow to 60 feet?) I can't believe I didn't think about this before. Edited January 30, 2021 by pancakecrocodile
Koolkoalas Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, pancakecrocodile said: Do you guys remember what Zia said about clones in FK? They can live up to 5 times as long if given proper food and treatment, and most scientists estimate a Spinosaurus's average life span to be around 70-80 years (there's no way to know for sure, but how else could a huge theropod like a Spino grow to 60 feet?) I can't believe I didn't think about this before. Exactly I know that jwe isn’t cannon but it could show that the spino could still be alive as like a teaser that the spino has survived and there is no reason that is could have died also Collin Trevorrow said that jwe is lightly cannon and the spino eats fish so it has food supplies and is Alex predator Edited January 31, 2021 by Koolkoalas
lego_guyon02 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Let's look at the information we have shall we? The Spinosaurus was illegally cloned in ignorance of the Gene Guard Act, which was established in 1997 as a reaction to the San Diego incident. The Spinosaurus' genetic structure is unstable, lowering it’s chances at long-term survival and resulting in the creature showcasing agressive, unnatural, unpredictable and territorial behaviour. The publishing of several classified InGen documents revealed that the list of illegally bred species consisted of Ankylosaurus, Ceratosaurus, Corythosaurus and Spinosaurus. The living conditions on Isla Sorna during it's abandonment (1993 - 2003) were negatively impacted by the following causes: - Many territorial disputes between species. - The island was riddled with disease (look at what happened to Isla Nublar between 2015 and 2018 and add 7 years to that). - Unnatural behaviour showcased by several species. - Poacher vessels that were spotted around the island, meaning poachers were roaming the island from time to time. Sorna lay abandoned untill late 2003 / early 2004, when Masrani Global established itself on the island and soon started an operation to transport the surviving dinosaur population to their new facilities on Isla Nublar. Isla Sorna's population of Ankylosaurusses (who were created under the same conditions as Spinosaurus) were extinct by 2004, prompting InGen to clone 6 new individuals in their labs on Nublar. Several unspecified carnivorous species were reported to have fallen back into extinction after being moved to Nublar, it is unknown wether InGen recreated these species like the Ankylosaurusses. There are only 2 dinosaurs that were explicitely specified to have been moved from Isla Sorna to Nublar in canon. An old and scarred female Brachiosaurus named Olive and a female Velociraptor who was put down after she murdered an intern. Despite not being illegally cloned this Velociraptor also showcased strange behaviour. In conclusion: there are several factors one has to take in mind when talking about the survival chances of the Spinosaurus, especially the injuries it sustained during the events of the film have to be taken into consideration. So let's now take a look at everything that would've made this individuals life post-JPIII rather difficult: - It sustained an injury to it's sail when it got hit by a plane. - It sustained (severe) burn wounds when Paul ignited the petroleum the Spinosaurus was standing in. - There are many other dinosaurs roaming the island, ones very capable of defending themselves against the Spinosaurus. - Isla Sorna is riddled with diseases. Without proper treatment it's already unlikely that the Spinosaurus would survive the eventual contamination of his burn wounds, assuming the best-case scenario happens it would leave him in a very weakened state. We know there are many carnivores left on the island and numerous herbivores that won't go down without a fight which means hunting isn't an option for this creature as it'll lose. It could instead go after other weakened dinosaurs that are an easier prey but there's a very good chance that they'll carry some kind of disease with them. One counter-argument one could make is the fact that the Spinosaurus ate fish but we don't know anything about the fish population on Sorna and how the eventual collapse of the islands ecosystem affected that. Looking at all the evidence found in canon it's highly unlikely, if not impossible, that the individual Spinosaurus seen in JPIII is still alive by 2015. The following is a theory of mine but I believe the Spinosaurus eventually paved the way for the creation of it's cousins in the Spinosauridae family: Baryonyx and Suchomimus. We know they were on display in the park in 2015 and they both have a similar genetic makeup to the Spinosaurus, not to mention that the Baryonyx was one of the specimens Doctor Wu wanted to get his hands on most in the early 2000's and Suchomimus' samples were already 75% complete by 1996. Last but not least: it's possible that Jurassic World eventually cloned a new Spinosaurus for their park but even if they did it would've perished when Mount Sibo erupted in 2018 as there was no mention of the creature on the Arcadia's shipping manifest. There is of course a possibility that we might see another Spino in Jurassic World: Dominion but that would also have to be a brand new individual created by one of the many companies who have now gotten their hands on InGens specimens (like Biosyn). Because we all know what Dr Malcolm told us at the end of Fallen Kingdom: "Genetic power has now been unleashed". drops mic 15 hours ago, pancakecrocodile said: Do you guys remember what Zia said about clones in FK? They can live up to 5 times as long if given proper food and treatment, and most scientists estimate a Spinosaurus's average life span to be around 70-80 years (there's no way to know for sure, but how else could a huge theropod like a Spino grow to 60 feet?) I can't believe I didn't think about this before. Sure but Sorna was completely abandoned between 1993 and 2003. There were recordings of territorial disputes, the island was riddled with disease, the appearance of poachers was fairly common and the ecosystem as it stood was completely disrupted by InGen's illegally cloned species. I can't read minds but I don't think anyone could possibly see such a situation as one in which the Spinosaurus would've received ''proper food and treatment''. 2 hours ago, Koolkoalas said: Exactly I know that jwe isn’t cannon but it could show that the spino could still be alive as like a teaser that the spino has survived and there is no reason that is could have died Frontier was given some small bits of info on FK back in 2017 when the game was in development, they knew nothing about the story itself. Do you really think Universal would keep their lips sealed when it came to Fallen Kingdom, the movie this game would release alongside, but spill the beans on Dominion? And that's ignoring the fact that Dominion hadn't even been written at that point in time
Koolkoalas Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 8:59 AM, Guyon2002 said: Okay but my point is I want a spino in Lego form and it would be cool to see it in dominion
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Maybe the spino survived on sheer hatred and malice alone, like a certain formerly-bisected, tattoed, horned individual from a galaxy far, far away I’ve seen worse retcons
lego_guyon02 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, Koolkoalas said: Okay but my point is I want a spino in Lego form and it would be cool to see it in dominion Changing the point of your argument after you've lost, real mature
Koolkoalas Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said: Changing the point of your argument after you've lost, real mature Eh yeah I have the mindset of like a teen but it’s weird we have the prices for next years sets but no piece count and this years sets we have piece counts and no price it’s weird
Lion King Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) I think we goes into off-topic territory that far. Alive or dead or whatever you say, we probably would get Spinosaurus in Lego form in one way or another way, anyways. Edited January 31, 2021 by DBlegonerd7
LegoCyt Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Guyon2002 said: You do know that if they give us the spinosaurus it will be just because right? I mean your reasoning sounds cool, but I remember all those freaks complaining about Rexy being alive before JW came out in 2015 and I haven’t heard any new complains since. As I can see people would love a revisit for the spinosaurus (myself included) and they won’t think one bit about Sorna being distroyed or diseased or whatever, just the fact of how cool it is to have that specific species back.
Koolkoalas Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 So what’s the speculation for the dinos in each set?
LegoCyt Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Koolkoalas said: So what’s the speculation for the dinos in each set? If you mean rumors... none And when it comes to speculation for the 2021 wave you have like 5 pages to read through, or make your own, just please don’t share them, I think we already have had enough of those
pancakecrocodile Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Koolkoalas said: So what’s the speculation for the dinos in each set? I think it is pretty early for speculation for the Dominion sets, but if I were to guess, I'd say kinda the same pattern for FK sets: small dinosaur in $20 one (Dimetrodon), Raptor-sized dino in $30 set (Maybe Pyroraptor), Blue in $40 set, possibly new large herbivores and carnivores in the $50 sets (any not present in this year's wave, but maybe utilizing pieces. Like if there's a Parasaur this year, an Allosaur may use the same unique body), and the big bad guy in $119.99 (Giga, Spino, Mosa... we still don't know). I'm really hoping for a Mosasaurus soon, but the only presence it will make next year will be $119.99 set; I just can't see it happening otherwise. Maybe 2023 if they do one last wave? 59 minutes ago, Guyon2002 said: Changing the point of your argument after you've lost, real mature Dude, seriously, lighten up.
lego_guyon02 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, LegoCyt said: You do know that if they give us the spinosaurus it will be just because right? I mean your reasoning sounds cool, but I remember all those freaks complaining about Rexy being alive before JW came out in 2015 and I haven’t heard any new complains since. As I can see people would love a revisit for the spinosaurus (myself included) and they won’t think one bit about Sorna being distroyed or diseased or whatever, just the fact of how cool it is to have that specific species back. Spinosaurus is a bit different to Rexy as there's no way he could've possibly survived, while Rexy just received some minor injuries and that's it. Of course people would love to see the Spinosaurus again, it has always been my favorite dinosaur so I'm also one of those people, but the argument in question was specifically about the return of JPIII's Spinosaurus. 10 minutes ago, pancakecrocodile said: Dude, seriously, lighten up. Uhm, no? If you want to start an argument with someone on a certain topic you have to be prepared to see it through to the end, not just completely change your position in the matter after getting a counter argument.
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