lego_guyon02 Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, TOTDForever said: you would be lying to me if you looked me dead in the eye and said the doc ock and spidey in that set aren't the ps4 versions (Some elitists on here are gonna attack me for that but it is true) Haven't we already established that that subject is highly subjective? Has nothing to do with "elitists".
THELEGOBATMAN Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Scarilian said: Not necessarily a Disney+ WandaVision set. Could be CMF series later in this year, could be the Disney+ set, could even be Spider-man 3 if she shows up there as he's meant to be mentored by Doctor Strange and Wanda could be involved in that. To a lesser extent could even be a comic inspired Wanda or a polybag including her with a headpiece. We don't know exactly what CM4Sci has heard.At its core CM4Sci is only talking about Wanda retaining the head piece. CMF I unlikely, they wouldn't waste one of 12 minfigures for characters that have new series - they would just make sets for the series. The Disney+ set is exactly what it'd mean. No chance for her appearing in SM3 sets. At its core CM4Sci is talking about WandaVision version of Wanda in her new (not yet revealed) suit with a headpiece appearing in a set this year. Edited February 14, 2021 by THELEGOBATMAN
PGBQW Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 5 hours ago, cosmic said: What if we get a comic Wanda in the CMF series that introduces the headpiece which is then reused for a Wandavision set featuring her halloween costume. I’ve been dying for a comic Scarlet Witch so I think this can appease both fans That's literally making the same minifigure twice
THELEGOBATMAN Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 7 hours ago, TOTDForever said: what if what he heard was from the leakers on Instagram 😂 that would be ironic CM4Sci is as reliable as you can get - I remember him from TLBM days when he leaked a lot of info about sets (ofc it was true). 5 hours ago, cosmic said: What if we get a comic Wanda in the CMF series that introduces the headpiece which is then reused for a Wandavision set featuring her halloween costume. I’ve been dying for a comic Scarlet Witch so I think this can appease both fans. He specifically said that it would be Wanda in a new suit from WandaVision (by new I mean not a part of Westview, and not yet revealed - just teased). 4 hours ago, Scarilian said: Mentioned some potential reasons earlier, but generally the set could be either trying to sell based on the popularity of the movie OR it may have elements/pieces from the Spider-man 3 sets that they don't want revealed so early. It could be loosely connected to Spider-man 3 without being a Spider-man 3 set. Why would they do loosely tied SM3 sets... before actual SM3 sets? What sense would it make? 2 hours ago, Scarilian said: 76174 has elements from Far From Home in the form of movie accurate drones and Mysterio (Albeit comic accurate) using a new piece they introduced in the Far From Home sets. I feel that would be a set which Lego might have delayed if that was in a similar position. Chances are we won't know until we see them and even then they may have been pushed back simply because that way they can release them alongside potentially other Spider-man sets. 76174 was released nearly 2 years after FFH, not before it. 3 hours ago, Falconfan1414 said: You would be surprised Hmm, did you get to know something more about those sets
TOTDForever Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Guyon2002 said: Haven't we already established that that subject is highly subjective? Has nothing to do with "elitists". case and point lol. It isn't really subjective when the design overtly takes ques from the ps4 designs. Like it is blatantly based on those versions of the characters. They are based on the video game versions in the same way that the SE avengers sets are based on the video game versions. Both waves of sets aren't branded with the video game name specifically either, they are soft tie ins, emphasis on soft. The minifigs are where the tie ins come and not the builds obviously 3 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: CM4Sci is as reliable as you can get - I remember him from TLBM days when he leaked a lot of info about sets (ofc it was true). He specifically said that it would be Wanda in a new suit from WandaVision (by new I mean not a part of Westview, and not yet revealed - just teased). Why would they do loosely tied SM3 sets... before actual SM3 sets? What sense would it make? 76174 was released nearly 2 years after FFH, not before it. Hmm, did you get to know something more about those sets I wonder how her suit would translate in MCU's live action flare ( excluding her Halloween costume) Edited February 14, 2021 by TOTDForever
Scarilian Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: At its core CM4Sci is talking about WandaVision version of Wanda in her new (not yet revealed) suit with a headpiece appearing in a set this year. Link the source for these things. There was no mention of a new suit nor any clarification that it'd be solely related to WandaVision in what you relayed, simply that the head piece would be retained/return. This does imply it would be retained/return in the MCU future of the character though, meaning whatever they are referring to is in a movie/show based set 4 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: CMF I unlikely, they wouldn't waste one of 12 minfigures for characters that have new series - they would just make sets for the series. The Disney+ set is exactly what it'd mean. No chance for her appearing in SM3 sets. The only Disney+ set we are aware of is in August, the same time as the CMF series. I can see justification for a CMF over a set, especially when the show primarily focuses around characters that are going to show up in other shows/movies this year and next. Wanda is believed to be linked to the multiverse aspect that results in the connection between WandaVision, Doctor Strange 2 and Spider-man 3 - it's likely she appears in some form in all three, especially seeing as Spider-man is teaming up with Doctor Strange in SM3. Other than those sets/minifigure series - the only option would be something hidden such as a Disney+ set, polybag release, minfigure pack - whatever it is the context seems to be it is MCU based. 4 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: Why would they do loosely tied SM3 sets... before actual SM3 sets? What sense would it make? These sets were at one stage planned for around the release of SM3, the 4+ set was originally amongst those listed for a 1HY release and now it's moved to October. I'm trying to work with a scenario the world has not experienced with delays of films of over a year and understand Lego's justification for not selling the sets when they easily could, and the only things that would make sense are that: They are Spider-man 3 sets Sets are loosely connected to Spider-man 3, even if not released under the Spider-man 3 theme Lego want to capitalise on the release of Spider-man 3 so moved unrelated sets closer to the release date In regards to releasing prior to the film, in a pre-pandemic time with the film releasing in July we would have had a teaser trailer in December and likely our first trailer with the Superbowl, announcements, merchandise leaks, etc... so that a loosely tied SM3 set would be fine releasing in 1HY with the film releasing in July. I can see Lego delaying the SM3 sets instantly to be closer to the film, but holding off on the loosely connected sets in the hopes they would be allowed to release them. The lack of advertising and revealing aspects of the film is why I think loosely connected sets could be delayed. I guess we will have to wait and see what they are 4 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: 76174 was released nearly 2 years after FFH, not before it. That is why I specified "I feel that would be a set which Lego might have delayed if that was in a similar position" as in if that set was scheduled for release around the same time as FFH and then FFH got pushed back six months. Edited February 14, 2021 by Scarilian
wesker Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 50 minutes ago, TOTDForever said: I wonder how her suit would translate in MCU's live action flare ( excluding her Halloween costume) I've read the new costume will be fairly close to this concept art: Spoiler
THELEGOBATMAN Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Scarilian said: Link the source for these things. There was no mention of a new suit nor any clarification that it'd be solely related to WandaVision in what you relayed, simply that the head piece would be retained/return. This does imply it would be retained/return in the MCU future of the character though, meaning whatever they are referring to is in a movie/show based set I mean if you have an ability to properly read, then it's pretty obvious that he's talking about a new suit for Wanda. Also, I don't have to link anything, you got the whole conversation written down - just find it yourself if you want to see it on Twitter. 57 minutes ago, Scarilian said: The only Disney+ set we are aware of is in August, the same time as the CMF series. I can see justification for a CMF over a set, especially when the show primarily focuses around characters that are going to show up in other shows/movies this year and next. Wanda is believed to be linked to the multiverse aspect that results in the connection between WandaVision, Doctor Strange 2 and Spider-man 3 - it's likely she appears in some form in all three, especially seeing as Spider-man is teaming up with Doctor Strange in SM3. Other than those sets/minifigure series - the only option would be something hidden such as a Disney+ set, polybag release, minfigure pack - whatever it is the context seems to be it is MCU based. You really think that instead of doing sets for Disney+ series (6 of them this year, and even more next year and so on), they would waste a CMF series on this? Not likely. 57 minutes ago, Scarilian said: *something something Spider-Man 3 something something* Thsi doesn't really make sense. This movie was delayed by only 5 months - sets were supposed to release in April or May. Making a set that's loosely based on SM3 is not an option as of now, it doesn't make sense from any point of view. Edited February 14, 2021 by THELEGOBATMAN
PGBQW Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, TOTDForever said: It isn't really subjective when the design overtly takes ques from the ps4 designs. Like it is blatantly based on those versions of the characters. They are based on the video game versions in the same way that the SE avengers sets are based on the video game versions I can buy that Doc Ock sort of looks like his ps4 counterpart, but its far from being a 1:1 replica. But the Spider-Man figure is literally just a Spider-Man figure, I dont see how it resembles the ps4 version in any way.
Scarilian Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: I mean if you have an ability to properly read, then it's pretty obvious that he's talking about a new suit for Wanda. Also, I don't have to link anything, you got the whole conversation written down - just find it yourself if you want to see it on Twitter. You never specified where it could be found beyond your remark which if you are claiming is the 'whole conversation' gives absolutely no clarity that it was referring to a new suit, simply confirming the head piece returns based on what CM4Sci knows about the sets. People are not mind readers and the only things avoiding linking did was to cause three users to misunderstand and needlessly cause confusion. Providing a source is not only helpful, but needed when you give people no idea of where to find it. As for randomly directing people to Twitter now, his original account was suspended and his new account is innactive (Zero tweets) and just to be completely sure this is a bot account, this is a troll account, this is a fan account and this is random. No other CM4Sci related account is on Twitter. You can find the exact tweet from Charles Murphy here, with a potential leak from the show/movies regarding WandaVision in the comments, but zero response from CM4Sci. Not a single mention of Lego, not a single mention of CM4Sci, not a single example of the quote you provided. So once again, do you have a link to the source? Edited February 14, 2021 by Scarilian
THELEGOBATMAN Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, PGBQW said: I can buy that Doc Ock sort of looks like his ps4 counterpart, but its far from being a 1:1 replica. But the Spider-Man figure is literally just a Spider-Man figure, I dont see how it resembles the ps4 version in any way. I mean by that logic he could say that Spidey from Homecoming sets is also based on PS4 Spider-Man, as the suit appears in it. There's a difference between being based on something and using elements from something. For example last year's Iron Man or Captain America are based on SE video game. This year's Doc Ock takes elements from PS4 video game. 5 minutes ago, Scarilian said: You never specified where it could be found beyond your remark which if you are claiming is the 'whole conversation' gives absolutely no clarity that it was referring to a new suit, simply confirming the head piece returns based on what CM4Sci knows about the sets. People are not mind readers and the only things avoiding linking did was to cause three users to misunderstand and needlessly cause confusion. Providing a source is not only helpful, but needed when you give people no idea of where to find it. As for randomly directing people to Twitter now, his original account was suspended and his new account is innactive. You can find the exact tweet from Charles Murphy here, with a potential leak from the show/movies regarding WandaVision in the comments, but zero response from CM4Sci. Not a single mention of Lego, not a single mention of CM4Sci, not a single example of the quote you provided. So once again, do you have a link to the source? Jesus, why did you become such a pain in the neck recently? It's pretty obvious that he deleted this tweet after releasing that he said something he wasn't supposed to (as it's a leak), but here you go: https://www.google.com/search?lr=&hl=en-PL&as_qdr=all&q=Don't+worry+she+will+get+it+if+what+heard+about+some+LEGO+stuff+is+true+"Don't worry,+she+will+get+it+if+what+I've+heard+about+some+LEGO+stuff is true"&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPxPanyOnuAhWFjYsKHZIfAwgQBSgAegQIAhAC&biw=412&bih=718 (it doesn't say CM4Sci wrote it but it's the best you'll get). Also, yes, it's obvious that he's talking about a new suit: Charles Murphy says that after the Halloween episode, he never wants to see Wanda without the headpiece again, to which CM4Sci replies "If what I've heard about Lego is true, you won't have to". Now the only time we saw Wanda with a headpiece was the Halloween episode, but there's no way she's gonna keep it, as it was a one-and-done type of suit. That means that the only way we'd see her with that headpiece again is her getting a new upgraded suit with it. By saying that "she will get it", CM4Sci implies that he knows about a new Wanda suit that's being translated into Lego, which means at some point we'll get a new minfigure for Wanda with a new suit that has the headpiece - it's way too soon for In The Multiverse of Madness info, which means that it has to be based on WandaVision. I feel like I'm explaining something to a 4 year old kid.
hvader Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) Omg I really want a new version of Wanda! I’m happy WandaVision sets are a possibility again Edited February 14, 2021 by hvader
cosmic Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 7 hours ago, PGBQW said: That's literally making the same minifigure twice Not literally. Wandavision Scarlet has light brown hair (almost dark blonde tbh) and comics Scarlet has dark brown hair. Wanda has a tie around her neck insinuating a halloween cape in the show, her classic comic fit has no such thing and instead is wearing an actual cape. Good printing would capture those differences. I think my dream comic Scarlet Witch would be her mostly entirely red bodysuit without the red leotard and light pink leggings, but her almost armored and dark red suit from the early 2000’s (see Avengers disassembled). Anybody else think the Mad Harriet hairpiece from the DC superheroes line would work well for Polaris? Kept going back to that minidoll wondering how it could be repurposed and I think the mold would be perfect for Polaris.
TOTDForever Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, PGBQW said: I can buy that Doc Ock sort of looks like his ps4 counterpart, but its far from being a 1:1 replica. But the Spider-Man figure is literally just a Spider-Man figure, I dont see how it resembles the ps4 version in any way. the lenses, the symbol, the web pattern, it is LITERALLY the insomniac classic suit. Put them side by side and they are the exact same. Yeah it is a variation of the classic suit but every version of the classic suit isn't the same. You're choosing to ignore the small details by saying it is just another classic spidey suit.
THELEGOBATMAN Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, TOTDForever said: the lenses, the symbol, the web pattern, it is LITERALLY the insomniac classic suit. Put them side by side and they are the exact same. Yeah it is a variation of the classic suit but every version of the classic suit isn't the same. You're choosing to ignore the small details by saying it is just another classic spidey suit. I mean Insomniac's classic suit is not really special (like Homecoming or TASM 2 suits), it's just supposed to be a perfect representation of Spidey's most classic suit.
TOTDForever Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: I mean Insomniac's classic suit is not really special (like Homecoming or TASM 2 suits), it's just supposed to be a perfect representation of Spidey's most classic suit. you're ignoring the details that make it unique. The lenses and spider symbols aren't 100% accurate to the comics. They have a sharp edge to them. The minifgure has the exact same design. The devil is in the details. It heavily respects the comics design but it is still fitting for the universe they created for this version of the character Need I mention that the lenses also resemble that of a camera aperture? The comics never illustrated that Edited February 14, 2021 by TOTDForever
Scarilian Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: He specifically said that it would be Wanda in a new suit from WandaVision (by new I mean not a part of Westview, and not yet revealed - just teased). I mean if you have an ability to properly read Jesus, why did you become such a pain in the neck recently? I feel like I'm explaining something to a 4 year old kid. I feel from the remark about context it is evident that you are connecting two seperate pieces of information based on you having knowledge that others did not at the time. I'm speculating/querying information and you have a source, could provide a link, but preferred to be dismissive and get annoyed at me wanting a source. You said it was easy, just go read it, but it had been deleted and was only accessed through a cache. How were most people here expected to find that on their own? It feels like it over complicated the situation beyond what was in any sense necessary simply by not sourcing your info - which is something that has constistently caused problems in the Marvel forums from people claiming leaks without providing a source. If any other individual made claims about a leaker, you would be requesting a source also. As for the remarks, I'm not dismissive of you, so I do not see why you are being so dismissive of me. 18 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: Charles Murphy says that after the Halloween episode, he never wants to see Wanda without the headpiece again, to which CM4Sci replies "If what I've heard about Lego is true, you won't have to". The majority were unaware of the new costume which has not been shown in trailers and hidden from most media, only via twitter character posters that needed to be combined and easily overshadowed at the time was it revealed. It's only with context of a new costume that the comment makes sense to apply to a brand new costume in entirety. As you said, it had been teased not revealed and most had not even seen the teasers. I'd argue you spoiled that aspect for myself and likely others, as otherwise with knowledge of a confirmed new costume they would have latched onto the aspect of a new costume straight from the start. Spoilers about such aspects cannot really be helped, but with no awareness of the new costume people naturally speculated on a return of the Halloween Costume. 18 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: Now the only time we saw Wanda with a headpiece was the Halloween episode, but there's no way she's gonna keep it, as it was a one-and-done type of suit. Without the context of a brand new potentially permanent costume the comment itself can be viewed as referring to the head piece returning, people who were unaware of the new costume could easily have speculated the Halloween costume return or the head piece remaining as it would make sense to pick up where the story left off given events in Episode 6 and we know from trailers that we have the potential to revisit previous episodes or styles. It could also be argued that the Halloween Episode makes the most sense to adapt into a set as it features more comic inspired outfits and given the sitcom style nature what better way to end it than a warped take on the 'clip show' premise most have. 18 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: By saying that "she will get it", CM4Sci implies that he knows about a new Wanda suit that's being translated into Lego, which means at some point we'll get a new minfigure for Wanda with a new suit that has the headpiece - it's way too soon for In The Multiverse of Madness info, which means that it has to be based on WandaVision. While I like the optimism, we don't have a set number or pricing for a potential Disney+ set releasing anytime soon (Other than the August Disney+ set). It's quite strange to have a Disney+ set we know about in August but not know about one that could be releasing in say March or 1HY if it's based on WandaVision. Unless they are referring to the August set. While Doctor Strange: MoM is too far away, I don't see how the other Disney+ shows or SM3 could be ruled out. We know Doctor Strange plays a role in SM3, so why not Wanda who is already confirmed for Doctor Strange: MoM. I just would lean more naturally to previously confirmed sets than jumping on a new one we are unaware of existing at this time.
THELEGOBATMAN Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Scarilian said: *essay about a piece of news* There's a difference between a source and a link to where that source said something - the source is CM4Sci, a reliable leaker. What part of "I don't want to ever see Wanda without her headpiece again" and "you won't have to" don't you understand? It clearly implies that she will get a new costume with the headpiece, and that's why "you won't ever have to see her without it". It's really simple. Also, stop with the Wanda appearing in SM3 sets - if it happens, I promise I'll delete this account the day the info comes out. In what other D+ shows could she appear? Falcon and Winter Soldier? Hawkeye? Give me a break.
PGBQW Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: I mean by that logic he could say that Spidey from Homecoming sets is also based on PS4 Spider-Man, as the suit appears in it. That has... Nothing to do with what I said? I think you misunderstod my point. I'm saying the Spider-Man from the recent waves is NOT based on the PS4 version. 1 hour ago, cosmic said: Good printing would capture those differences This is Lego we're talking about so good printing is out of the table
THELEGOBATMAN Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, PGBQW said: That has... Nothing to do with what I said? I think you misunderstod my point. I'm saying the Spider-Man from the recent waves is NOT based on the PS4 version. Sorry, I didn't make that clear enough. I meant that I agree with you, and that the suit is not based on PS4 suit.
PGBQW Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: Sorry, I didn't make that clear enough. I meant that I agree with you, and that the suit is not based on PS4 suit. Oh, my bad hahah. Sorry if I ended up sounding rude. ^^
THELEGOBATMAN Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, PGBQW said: Oh, my bad hahah. Sorry if I ended up sounding rude. ^^ No problem
Scarilian Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: There's a difference between a source and a link to where that source said something - the source is CM4Sci, a reliable leaker. If you are the one claiming they said it, that reliability is on you unless people can see the source for themselves. I could claim that any reliable leaker said anything, and unless I prove that then it's going to be disputed and people will require proof that the leaker actually said it. If the leaker source is public, then linking it moves the reliability to the source from the person reporting on it. That's why when I remark on a new bit of information I provide the source. 5 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: What part of "I don't want to ever see Wanda without her headpiece again" and "you won't have to" don't you understand? It clearly implies that she will get a new costume with the headpiece, and that's why "you won't ever have to see her without it". It's really simple. If his source is Lego - how would a single WandaVision Disney+ set automatically mean "you won't have to" see her "without her headpiece again". I think either she's included in more than that or she's included in the new costume in something set after WandaVision for CM4Sci to be certain of it. Otherwise she could turn up in a new costume for an episode of WandaVision and then never wear it past that point similar to how she changed costumes at the end of AoU and then wore a different one the next time we saw her, it speaks to me more of the figure being re-used in multiple sets or released in a later set based on a future property. Though I guess that's going to happen regardless as I don't see them changing the design much between WandaVision and Doctor Strange 2 unless something drastic happens 5 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: Also, stop with the Wanda appearing in SM3 sets - if it happens, I promise I'll delete this account the day the info comes out. In what other D+ shows could she appear? Falcon and Winter Soldier? Hawkeye? Give me a break. I'd prefer you not to. I'm just trying to approach this rationally and rule out options - especially seeing as the only Disney+ set we of aware of is in August. I don't want to jump on the idea of a WandaVision Disney+ set existing automatically, especially if it means a set that is not part of those we are currently aware of. With the release date of the Disney+ shows chances are that the August set would be based on the Mrs Marvel Disney+ series which is believed to be released between 'What If' and 'Hawkeye' - which would fit a rough timeframe that might warrant an August set. Admittedly that could be for any series released prior though.
cosmic Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, PGBQW said: This is Lego we're talking about so good printing is out of the table By that logic yes, Lego is notorious for skipping out on detailed printing and accuracy, so the costumes wre similiar enough that the end result would probably be the same. Except the hair would have to be a different color. What surprises me the most is we only have one rumoured Disney Plus set coming, and people are guessing it may go to Ms. Marvel over Wandavision. I really thought the non MCU sets this wave would be for the Disney Plus shows. And Wandavision of all shows, I figured they would capitalize on. In many ways I still think the untitled Avengers sets may end up being Disney Plus sets. If they’re not, it’d be interesting to see if they do loose tie ins. Like the year Suicide Squad came out we got a Deadshot and Harley Quinn set. Maybe we’ll get Disney plus heroes in sets but its not based on the show? Just theories the entirety of this years summer wave is a big mystery to me. Kind of hope we finally get a Spiderwoman thats easily accessible some time soon. I think she’s popular enough to deserve to be in every fans lego collection. And I know this isn’t a wishlist thread but I’ll finish by saying I hope we get a Squirrel Girl in this years CMF series.
Scarilian Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 1 minute ago, cosmic said: What surprises me the most is we only have one rumoured Disney Plus set coming, and people are guessing it may go to Ms. Marvel over Wandavision. I'm theorising that mostly due to release date. If it's a WandaVision set it'd make more sense to release closer to WandaVision airing. It finishes early March so it could have been a set that releases in March or maybe June... but an August release? feels like that Disney+ set is for a later series. That said, we do have the cryptic message that our current list might not be all we are getting so who knows honestly. I'm just trying to stick to a layout.
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