Lego Ideas 90th Anniversary Fan Vote

[Stuartn]

1 hour ago, Fuppylodders said:

Completely see where you're coming from, and it does make sense. But also, does it not also make sense that it could be an indication that space also came second? And so it's kinda like a runner up prize while the first place gets the actual set made for it? 

I see your point, I suppose the classic space could accompany a classic set of any theme, especially as it is a 90th anniversary set primarily and the theme it represents is second, so the GWP, as you said could represent another separate classic theme.

[JintaiZ]

I think there is a great chance that Space has won. 

Yes, there was a castle contest a few weeks ago, but that is probably due to the release of the Medieval Blacksmith...

[Flak Maniak]

Given that this thread is a bit purposeless until next year when they announce the winner... Well, maybe it can be a betting thread, to bet arbitrary units of clout on which theme has won!

[ProfSrlojohn]

17 hours ago, Fuppylodders said:

As a lego set, looking at it now... What makes the essence of a Bionicle set? (ignoring the back story) if they released one now, what would make you go 'yeah, that's it, they've hit the nail on the head with that!'? 

For me, personally, it'd come down to 3 factors:
 

1) The most important, character-centric: Compared to sets of the time, and even of today, Bionicle (and it's successors, HF, Chima Ultrabuilds, etc.) was very character-centric in it's set focus. Each set was all about *that* character(s). As opposed to say.... a star-wars set of the same time. Those were focused on the vehicles/locations in question, and the characters that go with them. It's like the difference between buying a singular doll, and buying a doll-house. The doll is focused on well, the doll, it's all about that character (however a blank slate it may be), while if you buy a doll house, it's all about the structure, rather than the dolls within it. A star-wars battle pack would be a good example of a character focused set. It may come with some small vehicles or terrain, but the primary focus is on the characters themselves, and their gear. The individuals are the focus, while the gear and terrain are secondary. This is the most important one. They hit this, and any Bionicle-esque theme would do a good job in capturing that same appeal.

2) Poseability and structure: A decent level of poseability and action-figureness would go far in capturing the appeal. Obviously, constraction is gone, at least, as far as can be told, so the general vibe in the community is that something akin to the more recent Super Hero mechs would be more than acceptable. It hit's those same vibes in terms of feeling like an action-figure.



In addition, the hyper-stylization both Bionicle and Hero Factory had would also go a long ways and cemeting this factor.

3) Price, price, price: On of the biggest factors in both Bionicle and Hero Factory's success, and one of the bigger factor Bionicle G2's failure, was price. The main heroes from 2001 were 7$ a pop, making them an easy impulse buy, and meaning you can get all 6 for 42$, taxes not withstanding. It was very easy to get all 6. The most expensive set was the Manas crabs, which was 2 palette-swapped models for 90$. They were RC controlled as well, which upped the price a bit.

https://brickset.com/sets/8539-1/Manas

So the biggest set in the whole 2001 range was under 100$ Bionicle, as a whole, was a very affordable line, especially if you were a collector. Hero Factory was a similar story. G2 on the other hand, the heroes were 15$ (for the smaller ones) to 20$. Not so much of an impulse buy, and to get all 6 toa it'd run you about 105$ Comparatively expensive. Obviously, inflation and such plays in with the pricing, but it's not a drastic enough change to alter the fact that the g2 toa were *not* impulse buy sets. The main characters weren't available cheap. The sets that filled those slots? Coming in at 10$ were the protectors. A group of 6 small, (at the time) nameless, who had all the plot-role and personality of a paper bag, barring a slightly more notable role in the Protector of fire.

I think if TLG can hit these 3 points, Bionicle fans would be more than satisfied with the results (barring the usual fringe few that hate everything). Even if it's not Bionicle and rather some new theme in a similar vein.

Edited February 17, 2021 by ProfSrlojohn
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[MAB]

(1) Character centric and (2) posability LEGO can do. (3) Price  is probably a bit harder. The SH mechs are currently $10 or so aren't they? If they had a head instead of the minifigure, would Bionicle style fans buy into something like those?

A tribe of 3x Mixels were I think $15 and could be "maxed" into some nice designs but were still quite small.

 

 

[Fuppylodders]

1 hour ago, ProfSrlojohn said:

For me, personally, it'd come down to 3 factors:
 

1) The most important, character-centric: Compared to sets of the time, and even of today, Bionicle (and it's successors, HF, Chima Ultrabuilds, etc.) was very character-centric in it's set focus. Each set was all about *that* character(s). As opposed to say.... a star-wars set of the same time. Those were focused on the vehicles/locations in question, and the characters that go with them. It's like the difference between buying a singular doll, and buying a doll-house. The doll is focused on well, the doll, it's all about that character (however a blank slate it may be), while if you buy a doll house, it's all about the structure, rather than the dolls within it. A star-wars battle pack would be a good example of a character focused set. It may come with some small vehicles or terrain, but the primary focus is on the characters themselves, and their gear. The individuals are the focus, while the gear and terrain are secondary. This is the most important one. They hit this, and any Bionicle-esque theme would do a good job in capturing that same appeal.

2) Poseability and structure: A decent level of poseability and action-figureness would go far in capturing the appeal. Obviously, constraction is gone, at least, as far as can be told, so the general vibe in the community is that something akin to the more recent Super Hero mechs would be more than acceptable. It hit's those same vibes in terms of feeling like an action-figure.



In addition, the hyper-stylization both Bionicle and Hero Factory had would also go a long ways and cemeting this factor.

3) Price, price, price: On of the biggest factors in both Bionicle and Hero Factory's success, and one of the bigger factor Bionicle G2's failure, was price. The main heroes from 2001 were 7$ a pop, making them an easy impulse buy, and meaning you can get all 6 for 42$, taxes not withstanding. It was very easy to get all 6. The most expensive set was the Manas crabs, which was 2 palette-swapped models for 90$. They were RC controlled as well, which upped the price a bit.

https://brickset.com/sets/8539-1/Manas

So the biggest set in the whole 2001 range was under 100$ Bionicle, as a whole, was a very affordable line, especially if you were a collector. Hero Factory was a similar story. G2 on the other hand, the heroes were 15$ (for the smaller ones) to 20$. Not so much of an impulse buy, and to get all 6 toa it'd run you about 105$ Comparatively expensive. Obviously, inflation and such plays in with the pricing, but it's not a drastic enough change to alter the fact that the g2 toa were *not* impulse buy sets. The main characters weren't available cheap. The sets that filled those slots? Coming in at 10$ were the protectors. A group of 6 small, (at the time) nameless, who had all the plot-role and personality of a paper bag, barring a slightly more notable role in the Protector of fire.

I think if TLG can hit these 3 points, Bionicle fans would be more than satisfied with the results (barring the usual fringe few that hate everything). Even if it's not Bionicle and rather some new theme in a similar vein.

Appreciate the detailed response! Am trying to understand more about something I know nothing about. 

That all certainly makes sense, although I fear that the price may be a factor if they were to start up either a new wave, or for the 90th anniv. (especially the 90th anniv.) and try and create new moulds. (I'm assuming here) They'd add on a premium to cover the new moulds. I can see the draw to them though, in the previous price sense. That is certainly cheap for a whole wave! 

14 minutes ago, MAB said:

(1) Character centric and (2) posability LEGO can do. (3) Price  is probably a bit harder. The SH mechs are currently $10 or so aren't they? If they had a head instead of the minifigure, would Bionicle style fans buy into something like those?

A tribe of 3x Mixels were I think $15 and could be "maxed" into some nice designs but were still quite small.

 

 

Quite interestingly, for me, i used to love maxing the mixels into their 3x component character. I also loved how cheap they were, most definitely impulse buys, and then necessity buys once I was hooked  Yet Bionicle never hit me. I guess there is an 'inbetween' level where mixels (although not so much the later ones) is about right for me (typically a system person). 

[ProfSrlojohn]

1 hour ago, MAB said:

(1) Character centric and (2) posability LEGO can do. (3) Price  is probably a bit harder. The SH mechs are currently $10 or so aren't they? If they had a head instead of the minifigure, would Bionicle style fans buy into something like those?

A tribe of 3x Mixels were I think $15 and could be "maxed" into some nice designs but were still quite small.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Fuppylodders said:

That all certainly makes sense, although I fear that the price may be a factor if they were to start up either a new wave, or for the 90th anniv. (especially the 90th anniv.) and try and create new moulds. (I'm assuming here) They'd add on a premium to cover the new moulds. I can see the draw to them though, in the previous price sense. That is certainly cheap for a whole wave! 

I mean, 10$ is probably about right considering inflation, at least in the US. As for new molds, there would probably be about as many there were in the Nexo Knight mechs. New pieces for the weapons, some more stylized bits here and there for armor, nothing crazy. It's gonna be system, so it can be just as easy just build the armor up with system. Probably some new head and body pieces. Because it would be character focused, all the new piece budget that goes into vehicle parts and minifig parts, can go to armor weapons, etc. Price isn't a make-or-break, but it needs to be cheap enough to make it easy to just "pick one up" if you get what I mean. The protectors for example, were 10$ impulse-buy sets, but they weren't important to the plot. They didn't bring most people into the series because they had no real role in the series besides crowd fillers. (Excluding Protector of Fire, and he got like, 30 seconds more of screen time than the others so.. meh) So if they can hit that range, and make them plot relevant, it'll be fine.

Also, yes, the Mixels combo gimmick would be lovely. Early Bionicle put a major emphasis on alt-builds to fill in the world, and the first 3 years also had several appearances of Kaita (3 heroes or villains combined into a giant... thing), and occasionally a "Nui" (6 characters combined, though this was used... twice. In it's entirety as a concpet). It's also popular for fusions to have anywhere from 2, to as-many-charecters-as-exist involved. Though it's similar to Transformer's combiners as they need to have enough mental and purposal unity for the combination to stay stable. This focus was toned down as the series progressed which... considering the socket-breakage problems of the 2008-2010 pieces (and the minor problems even earlier) is probably for the better. They mainly stuck to alt-builds, which, unless you *really* want "random animal number 7" are completely superfluous plot-wise besides world-filling, excluding a few examples (and these were usually sold in big fancy walmart/target exclusives as themselves, rather than the component sets I.E. 8626: Irnakk, or 10204: Vezon & Kardas)

Edited February 17, 2021 by ProfSrlojohn

[Scarilian]

On 2/17/2021 at 4:04 AM, Flak Maniak said:

Given that this thread is a bit purposeless until next year when they announce the winner... Well, maybe it can be a betting thread, to bet arbitrary units of clout on which theme has won!

According to StoneWars during the interim when 55,159 users had voted in the first round, it gave us the following:

• 6,586 users (11.9%) only voted for Bionicle meaning the remaining 10,525 votes overlapped with another non-Bionicle theme/themes
• 2,557 users (4.6%) only voted Castle themes meaning the remaining 23,738 votes overlapped with another non-Castle theme/themes
• 2,457 users (4.5%) only voted Space themes meaning the remaining 20,939 votes overlapped with another non-Space theme/themes
• 311 users (0.6%) only voted Pirate themes meaning the remaining 13,616 votes overlapped with another non-Pirate theme/themes

As such we could analyse the data from the finalised first round to get a bit of a hint towards who the winner could potentially be. Would require cataloguing all users and all votes they have been made during the first round - then removing any votes that does not fall into the final four themes. This would help transition more votes from the 'overlapped' to the 'only Bionicle/Space/Castle/Pirate theme' category. At which point you'd be able to determine how much of the overlapped votes remain which would give you a rough idea of how much swing variance you'd get during the second poll.

Granted users are not guaranteed to follow pre-existing voting patterns, but it could give us a rough basis - the only question is if it is worth cataloguing 77,742 users and the votes they have made to potentially get a few months heads up on the anniversary set's theme? If anyone wants to join in making a group google document to do so I'd be willing to work on it

I feel if this was a group project:

• 7 volunteers cataloguing 77,742 users & votes
• 11,106 total users catalogued by each volunteers over the course of the project
• Project spanning over the course of 50 days
• Average input of 222.12 users results recorded per day per volunteer (1,554.84 users & votes catalogued per day)

We'd have a rough basis for the winning theme by April...

As opposed to me doing it on my own at a pace of 222.12 users a day which would take me 350 days

Though yes, most of it is going to be just speculation and/or waiting for our first hints towards the 90th anniversary 2022 set - which might not come until mid/late 2022 (Anniversary is 10th August)

Edited February 27, 2021 by Scarilian

[Kit Figsto]

The most difficult part would be determining how people voted that didn't have any of the final four on their initial ballots.  I personally voted for Adventurers, Model Team, and Rock Raiders, then went with Castle in the final vote.  My intuition tells me that the system themes likely picked up most of the voters that didn't vote for any of the finalists, since I think most Bionicle fans would've voted for it in the first place, and I think there's fewer people that are just "meh" on Bionicle - for the most part I think you sort of either like it or you never really got into it.  The biggest question for me would be, did the three system themes rob enough votes off of each other to prevent a majority and then Bionicle won?

[TheBohrokMan]

Bionicle still has a big following, I would expect a set to still be popular if it gets chosen

Interesting discussion

[MatthewRC]

I'm still hoping for Bionicle to win. Either way, we won't find out which theme won the fan vote until 2022. That is, unless leaks on the winning theme show up on Instagram.

[Lion King]

Ok, so…Fan Vote is now in the past. 

I wonder if there is any updates so far?

[MAB]

15 hours ago, DBlegonerd7 said:

Ok, so…Fan Vote is now in the past. 

I wonder if there is any updates so far?

There is nothing expected until 2022.

 

[Lion King]

3 hours ago, MAB said:

There is nothing expected until 2022.

 

Obviously… 

[MatthewRC]

On 9/27/2021 at 10:01 AM, MAB said:

There is nothing expected until 2022.

 

Let’s just be patient until the time finally comes.

[Lego David]

When can we expect to finally get the results of which theme is getting the set? It has already been close to a year since the poll wrapped up. 

Can we expect the results on the 1 year anniversary of the poll, or perhaps later? 

I really don't like how silent LEGO has stayed about this. I know they wanted to make it more of a "surprise" but by the time the set finally comes out, the hype would have probably long died down, especially if the set turns out to be a disappointing choice after we've waited for it a full year. 

 

[Roebuck]

59 minutes ago, Lego David said:

When can we expect to finally get the results of which theme is getting the set? It has already been close to a year since the poll wrapped up. 

Can we expect the results on the 1 year anniversary of the poll, or perhaps later? 

I really don't like how silent LEGO has stayed about this. I know they wanted to make it more of a "surprise" but by the time the set finally comes out, the hype would have probably long died down, especially if the set turns out to be a disappointing choice after we've waited for it a full year. 

 

When the set are released or shortly before if we get a leak, however this will be a set there is easy for them to keep quiet about. My guess is 10th of August

[MAB]

8 hours ago, Lego David said:

When can we expect to finally get the results of which theme is getting the set? It has already been close to a year since the poll wrapped up. 

Can we expect the results on the 1 year anniversary of the poll, or perhaps later? 

I really don't like how silent LEGO has stayed about this. I know they wanted to make it more of a "surprise" but by the time the set finally comes out, the hype would have probably long died down, especially if the set turns out to be a disappointing choice after we've waited for it a full year. 

 

I'm glad they have been quiet. No point telling everyone which theme it is until they are ready to reveal. Otherwise it just leads to loads of uninformed speculation.

[danth]

11 hours ago, Lego David said:

I really don't like how silent LEGO has stayed about this. I know they wanted to make it more of a "surprise" but by the time the set finally comes out, the hype would have probably long died down, especially if the set turns out to be a disappointing choice after we've waited for it a full year.  

They're still deciding how to screw over Space fans, and how hard.

I think the Target plushies & puzzles are part of it. Get our hopes up, then destroy us, with the added insult of Space merch but no actual Lego sets.

[icm]

I predict the 90th anniversary set will be a group of vignettes from different themes, so there's something for everybody but there isn't a big thing for anybody.

[Merlo]

6 hours ago, icm said:

I predict the 90th anniversary set will be a group of vignettes from different themes, so there's something for everybody but there isn't a big thing for anybody.

This would truly be in the Lego of tradition of compromising and disappointing everyone :)

[Lego David]

14 hours ago, icm said:

I predict the 90th anniversary set will be a group of vignettes from different themes, so there's something for everybody but there isn't a big thing for anybody.

They already did exactly that for the 60th anniversary of the Brick, with the set 40290, lol... 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Lego David

[NoOneOfImportance]

So we now have news of a LEGO promo set for this: 

 

40567 90th Anniversary of LEGO promo 

 

Hopefully this means the set will be revealed soon...

[Alpha Draconis]

I'm really interested in seeing what theme was picked. I'm hoping for Classic Space but I think Castle is a very strong contender too. I just hope they don't mix the themes.

As big of a Bionicle fan myself I still don't think it's going to be picked - even if it got the most votes (which I don't think it did). To be completely fair, I don't think Bionicle should represent 90th anniversary set. I see that some people on Instagram don't necessarily share my opinion and might be severely disappointed when the set is revealed  

I also don't think we'll get much info on the set until the last minute, which could be a good or a bad thing, depending on how the set turns out to be

[ZEROANON00]

1 hour ago, Alpha Draconis said:

I'm really interested in seeing what theme was picked. I'm hoping for Classic Space but I think Castle is a very strong contender too. I just hope they don't mix the themes.

As big of a Bionicle fan myself I still don't think it's going to be picked - even if it got the most votes (which I don't think it did). To be completely fair, I don't think Bionicle should represent 90th anniversary set. I see that some people on Instagram don't necessarily share my opinion and might be severely disappointed when the set is revealed  

I also don't think we'll get much info on the set until the last minute, which could be a good or a bad thing, depending on how the set turns out to be

As a BIONICLE fan I have to agree. Don't get me wrong, as much as I want it to win I'm fully prepared for another theme to be picked over it, and that's okay. The fans are gonna be upset though, but it's not like those people aren't hard to please enough as is. I'll be genuinely surprised if it gets selected. Best of luck to everyone though, whatever you voted for!