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[Yperio_Bricks]

2 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

I thought the latest episode of the Acolyte was ok. Definitely not as bad as some of the “anti-woke” cry-babies were making it out to be.

I think so too. I still could not identify the event that is breaking Star Wars It's fiction after all

Personally i am more interested in location sets than ships but it is hard to imagine one of the locations of the show as a Lego set yet. The minifigs though! Hope we'll get some of the jedi robes.

[TeddytheSpoon]

3 hours ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

I think so too. I still could not identify the event that is breaking Star Wars It's fiction after all

I could, but as usual I think it's people wilfully misinterpreting events to suit their own narrative. I'm assuming people are upset about the whole miraculous conception thing, but as you said - it's fiction, so it doesn't really matter 

I thought the episode was OK! Some fun stuff in there. I do like how quickly they're moving things along; I wasn't expecting a whole episode of flashback, let alone this early on, and I like that it gave us a good chunk of backstory all at once rather than dripfeeding it.

Edited June 13, 2024 by TeddytheSpoon

[Oky]

I thought the first two episodes were alright at best. They were honestly kinda boring, especially since they solve the murder mystery right in the first episode with a cliched trope, and I felt more invested in the faceless Mandalorian in his first episode than I have with any of these characters so far. And then I watched the third episode… boy was that cringey, and not because of anything “woke”. From the child acting to the silly chant and the Jedi being creepy predators, this was an uncomfortable watch. And Mae trying to keep her sister from leaving by killing her made no sense to me. I don’t really feel any urge to keep watching at this point, but if y’all like it, cool. 

Also, “spice cream”?! Do the people making this show not know that spice is usually a drug in Star Wars? 

I was not impressed with Tales of the Empire either, or as it should’ve been called: The mildly interesting tales of two people who happened to be allied with the Empire at one point in their lives”. Barriss’ redemption felt a bit rushed. The best part was the portrayal of Grievous as the ruthless killer and general that he is meant to be. 

[TeddytheSpoon]

5 hours ago, Oky said:

I thought the first two episodes were alright at best. They were honestly kinda boring, especially since they solve the murder mystery right in the first episode with a cliched trope, and I felt more invested in the faceless Mandalorian in his first episode than I have with any of these characters so far. And then I watched the third episode… boy was that cringey, and not because of anything “woke”. From the child acting to the silly chant and the Jedi being creepy predators, this was an uncomfortable watch. And Mae trying to keep her sister from leaving by killing her made no sense to me. I don’t really feel any urge to keep watching at this point, but if y’all like it, cool. 

Also, “spice cream”?! Do the people making this show not know that spice is usually a drug in Star Wars? 

The spice cream was a little on the nose... I agree that the Mandalorian had me hooked more immediately than this does.

Only thing I'll mention is there must be more to this flashback than is being let on. At this point I think we're meant to believe that Mae tried to kill Osha, but equally, all we actually saw was her setting fire to the book. Next thing we know, suddenly there's a massive inferno and everyone else is dead, with basically no explanation. There are gaps here that I think will be filled - I don't think this is the last time we'll hear about what happened on Brendok.

[MKJoshA]

I'm so tired of flashbacks right now. It's an overused story telling element. I too don't think the episode "broke" Star Wars. I didn't like it, but for all the reasons already mentioned here. Can we get back to the Wookie please?

[TeddytheSpoon]

Episode 4 was fine. It felt like a means to an end to get the characters all in the same place. Disappointed we didn't get to see much of Kelnacca, but Ki-Adi Mundi's cameo was fun!

[CloneCommando99]

20 minutes ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

Episode 4 was fine. It felt like a means to an end to get the characters all in the same place. Disappointed we didn't get to see much of Kelnacca, but Ki-Adi Mundi's cameo was fun!

Agreed. I don’t see how any of the Jedi will be allowed to survive the Sith Lord. RIP Jecki, Sol and Yord. They were decent characters.

[TeddytheSpoon]

19 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Agreed. I don’t see how any of the Jedi will be allowed to survive the Sith Lord. RIP Jecki, Sol and Yord. They were decent characters.

I'm still not convinced it's a Sith to be fair. But yea, Sol had a line in the episode (which I know can't remember) which made me go "welp, he's gonna die soon"

[Agent Kallus]

12 hours ago, Swordy said:

I will go to the Aslume if and only if we get Superman sets in 2025. Or if we get a TDK Bat-Pod, which seems more likely. XP

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…this is just a LEGO forum, Swordy, this is just a LEGO forum, this is just a LEGO for— Oh, who cares! The gauntlet has been thrown down already.

The issue isn’t that the Sith should be extinct. Most everyone knows that the Sith have been in the shadows. The problem that people have is that the Sith aren’t staying in the shadows. If any word of The Sith Who Laughs gets back to the Jedi Council, it calls into question Ki-Adi’s line in TPM; not because the Sith aren’t extinct, but because the Jedi should think that they are extinct. Of course, this can all be resolved by the end if every Jedi who encounters The Sith Who Laughs dies, but I recall that this show was designed so that it could run multiple seasons, so I guess we’ll all find out.

I take issue with the Jedi’s characterization in this series. They seem to be at the point of corruption we see in TCW, not arriving to what we see in TPM. The show seems more concerned about deconstructing the Jedi Order—something the Prequels had already accomplished—than showing how a good thing can fall if good people become more concerned about image than what’s right. Master Sol and Venestra act more like Prequel Jedi than what I thought High Republic Jedi were supposed to act like.

I’ll negate all of my arguments by admitting that I only saw the first episode—and admittedly enjoyed it, but I don’t care to see the rest. I’d rather my story of Star Wars not be ruined for me. (Same reason I haven’t seen Solo and it’ll be a long time until I do.) If Darth Tenebrous or Darth Plagueis show up at the end, maybe I’lll give it a second chance, but I’m content with the novel by James Luceno for now. (Just readapt the book to a series already, Disney.)

 

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If you enjoyed the first episode I really think you should watch the rest (I do think episode 3 (the flashback episode) works best either before the others or skipped entirely), you don't need to treat it as canon if you don't want to so I don't really see how it could ruin SW for you? (if you do decide to watch it don't look at the spoiler below this until you've seen it (or not it's your call)

 

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the thing with the Sith is he only came out of the shadows to make sure his existence is still a secret, yes he is plotting behind the scenes trying to weaken the jedi (which makes perfect sense) but he only really revealed himself when he had already decided everyone around had to die because Mae was planning on telling the jedi everything (He blames Mae for exposing him to the Jedi and bringing on their own demise. “The Jedi say I can’t exist,” he says simply. “So, they see my face, they all die.”)

(yes he could have killed them in a less obviously Sith way but the rule of cool wins there).

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 this can all be resolved by the end if every Jedi who encounters The Sith Who Laughs dies

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All bar 1 have and that lone survivor is in a pretty precarious position. 

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(Despite it being a more peaceful time jedi bloodbaths like this are actually pretty common in the high republic)

 

 

 

 

Also I agree about not liking how Vernestra acts I get it's been a long time, but unless she changes her tune soon it'll feel like a character assassination of the character I knew from the books. Although with you comment about high republic v prequel jedi I will say that despite the show still being in the HR era it is closer in time to episode 1 than the HR publishing initiative.

Off-topic but I actually think superman sets in 2025 are decently likely.

Edited July 1, 2024 by Agent Kallus

[MKJoshA]

Not Yord! I liked his character. A vain Jedi is not something we usually see. I totally saw the Sith reveal coming 2 episodes ago.

[Artanis I]

I'm still a bit mixed about this show, but we'll see! Was quite sad to see Carrie-Anne Moss die right at the beginning.

It's pretty clear from early on that everyone except 1 or 2 of the girls is going to die.

 

Regarding sets, the usual TLG approach for SW TV shows is everything from the first episode, and nothing from the rest of the season... at least for a long time

[TeddytheSpoon]

Think I'm over the whole flashback thing now, too... a quarter of this series will have been (essentially) the same flashback. I like the reveals and story elements and Kelnacca being a badass, but did that need to be a whole episode?

[MKJoshA]

1 hour ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

Think I'm over the whole flashback thing now, too... a quarter of this series will have been (essentially) the same flashback. I like the reveals and story elements and Kelnacca being a badass, but did that need to be a whole episode?

Yes! Please Star Wars, no more flashbacks. It's so over used.

[Artanis I]

At some point in time, (particularly due to popular Christopher Nolan films) it has become unwritten rule in action movies/shows that everything has to have all sorts of plot twists thrown in to keep the story from being too predictable. (Murder mysteries have alway done this.) This leads to half-stories told at the start, and then flash-backs riddled everywhere to keep you guessing until all the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are revealed. I actually find it annoying, especially when it leads to plot holes.

I didn't like the flash-backs in Andor, I thought them unnecessary. These ones are a bit tedious, but at least they serve a purpose.

This show doesn't make a lot of sense though, with the girls raised in an indoctrinated closed environment where the jedi are painted as villains. Why would one of them want to be a jedi if she was only told the propaganda against them? Where did the contrary information come from to make her think 'the jedi are good'?

[TeddytheSpoon]

On 7/12/2024 at 2:11 PM, Artanis I said:

At some point in time, (particularly due to popular Christopher Nolan films) it has become unwritten rule in action movies/shows that everything has to have all sorts of plot twists thrown in to keep the story from being too predictable. (Murder mysteries have alway done this.) This leads to half-stories told at the start, and then flash-backs riddled everywhere to keep you guessing until all the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are revealed. I actually find it annoying, especially when it leads to plot holes.

I didn't like the flash-backs in Andor, I thought them unnecessary. These ones are a bit tedious, but at least they serve a purpose.

This show doesn't make a lot of sense though, with the girls raised in an indoctrinated closed environment where the jedi are painted as villains. Why would one of them want to be a jedi if she was only told the propaganda against them? Where did the contrary information come from to make her think 'the jedi are good'?

I didn't get the sense they were indoctrinated against the Jedi, more so that they were just taught the ways of their own Force religion (which aside from the darker magical elements, doesn't seem that far removed from the Jedi). And if that one thing is all you know, but you have doubts about it, then the first different thing that comes along - particularly in such an isolated community - is always likely to have some sort of appeal. I don't find it so unusual, after all it's certainly not the first time a Star Wars character gets disillusioned with their surroundings and wants to go explore the galaxy instead.

[Alexandrina]

Bit of a tangent but I know there are plenty of Star Wars fans on these boards. I'm working on a Star Wars brickfilm at the moment (in scripting stages, nothing more) and wanted to solicit the opinions of Lego fans of Star Wars on a few elements:

- Firstly, can it work to have the classic opening crawl after the first scene? I have a banger of a cold open that I want to lead into the opening crawl, but every actual Star Wars media I can find either opens with the crawl or doesn't have one

- Also, Clone Wars fans especially, is it too out of character for Ahsoka Tano to be a member of a hypothetical Jedi Council circa 30 ABY? I'm going for 'based on but distinct to the actual canon', so I'm not concerned about whether it would fit the canon timeline or not - just whether Ahsoka's character would ever, in any timeline, return to the Order? This is in a timeline where Luke establishes a New Jedi Order fairly soon after RotJ btw

- The big one: what colour lightsaber should Mara Jade use? I've been using a pink blade for tests as magenta doesn't exist in Lego form, but pink feels like it's Jaina Solo's colour to me

As an aside, has anyone ever thought up a way of getting a convincing Saba Sebatyne minifigure? The trouble with book-only alien characters is that there tend to be few options for their heads!

[CloneCommando99]

57 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

 

- Also, Clone Wars fans especially, is it too out of character for Ahsoka Tano to be a member of a hypothetical Jedi Council circa 30 ABY? I'm going for 'based on but distinct to the actual canon', so I'm not concerned about whether it would fit the canon timeline or not - just whether Ahsoka's character would ever, in any timeline, return to the Order? This is in a timeline where Luke establishes a New Jedi Order fairly soon after RotJ btw

I wouldn’t say so. After all Luke’s order in legends was much more lenient than the one Ahsoka left.

59 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

- Firstly, can it work to have the classic opening crawl after the first scene? I have a banger of a cold open that I want to lead into the opening crawl, but every actual Star Wars media I can find either opens with the crawl or doesn't have one

 

Sure, it’s unprecedented but a bit of originality never hurt anyone.

Edited October 14, 2024 by CloneCommando99

[MKJoshA]

19 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

Bit of a tangent but I know there are plenty of Star Wars fans on these boards. I'm working on a Star Wars brickfilm at the moment (in scripting stages, nothing more) and wanted to solicit the opinions of Lego fans of Star Wars on a few elements:

- Firstly, can it work to have the classic opening crawl after the first scene? I have a banger of a cold open that I want to lead into the opening crawl, but every actual Star Wars media I can find either opens with the crawl or doesn't have one

- Also, Clone Wars fans especially, is it too out of character for Ahsoka Tano to be a member of a hypothetical Jedi Council circa 30 ABY? I'm going for 'based on but distinct to the actual canon', so I'm not concerned about whether it would fit the canon timeline or not - just whether Ahsoka's character would ever, in any timeline, return to the Order? This is in a timeline where Luke establishes a New Jedi Order fairly soon after RotJ btw

- The big one: what colour lightsaber should Mara Jade use? I've been using a pink blade for tests as magenta doesn't exist in Lego form, but pink feels like it's Jaina Solo's colour to me

As an aside, has anyone ever thought up a way of getting a convincing Saba Sebatyne minifigure? The trouble with book-only alien characters is that there tend to be few options for their heads!

1) I'm sure you could make a title crawl work after the opening, but to me that's not very Star Warsy

2) I agree with CloneCommando, Luke's Jedi Order would be the perfect place for someone like Ahsoka.

3) Purple. Mara's lightsaber should be purple.

[Swordy]

21 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

Bit of a tangent but I know there are plenty of Star Wars fans on these boards. I'm working on a Star Wars brickfilm at the moment (in scripting stages, nothing more) and wanted to solicit the opinions of Lego fans of Star Wars on a few elements:

- Firstly, can it work to have the classic opening crawl after the first scene? I have a banger of a cold open that I want to lead into the opening crawl, but every actual Star Wars media I can find either opens with the crawl or doesn't have one

- Also, Clone Wars fans especially, is it too out of character for Ahsoka Tano to be a member of a hypothetical Jedi Council circa 30 ABY? I'm going for 'based on but distinct to the actual canon', so I'm not concerned about whether it would fit the canon timeline or not - just whether Ahsoka's character would ever, in any timeline, return to the Order? This is in a timeline where Luke establishes a New Jedi Order fairly soon after RotJ btw

- The big one: what colour lightsaber should Mara Jade use? I've been using a pink blade for tests as magenta doesn't exist in Lego form, but pink feels like it's Jaina Solo's colour to me

As an aside, has anyone ever thought up a way of getting a convincing Saba Sebatyne minifigure? The trouble with book-only alien characters is that there tend to be few options for their heads!

To your first question, I included a prologue that was intended to release before the opening crawl in some former fanfics of mine. Since writing them, though, I’ve come to the realization that the opening crawl is, in truth, supposed to be the prologue to the story.

Think back to the opening crawl to Empire Strikes Back. An adequate prologue, if the story was told in prose, could be made of Darth Vader ordering the launch of probe droids. However, the opening crawl was opted for instead. While visually uninteresting comparably, the crawl can cover more backstory in one “scene” and thus avoid unnecessary exposition in the first scenes.

To continue using Ep. V as an example, we don’t need Vader to explain the importance of Luke Skywalker’s capture, nor do we need Han to outright tell the audience that Luke is now a commander in the Rebellion, since both are explained in the opening crawl.

If you think your idea is better, then go for it, by all means. After all, it’s YOUR story. That said, if you’re trying to emulate George’s style into your Star Wars story, then consider the above.

 

To your second question, I might find it out of character for Ahsoka, personally speaking. I think Mando and Book of Boba have been rightly considerate of Ahsoka’s hesitation a Jedi Order of any kind. Although she isn’t opposed to Luke or the Jedi, I doubt she’d become an official member of a new order. She would instead assume the role of a ronin, as she has in the official Disney canon. I argue she’d still act independently of a Jedi order even if she had a cathartic moment with Anakin’s Force ghost. Just my two cents, though.

 

I always thought Mara Jade used a purple lightsaber, not too dissimilar to Mace Windu. I’m only familiar with Mara within the Legends Thrawn trilogy, though, in which she used anything but a purple lightsaber, lol.

[Alexandrina]

6 minutes ago, Swordy said:

To your first question, I included a prologue that was intended to release before the opening crawl in some former fanfics of mine. Since writing them, though, I’ve come to the realization that the opening crawl is, in truth, supposed to be the prologue to the story.

Think back to the opening crawl to Empire Strikes Back. An adequate prologue, if the story was told in prose, could be made of Darth Vader ordering the launch of probe droids. However, the opening crawl was opted for instead. While visually uninteresting comparably, the crawl can cover more backstory in one “scene” and thus avoid unnecessary exposition in the first scenes.

To continue using Ep. V as an example, we don’t need Vader to explain the importance of Luke Skywalker’s capture, nor do we need Han to outright tell the audience that Luke is now a commander in the Rebellion, since both are explained in the opening crawl.

If you think your idea is better, then go for it, by all means. After all, it’s YOUR story.

Yeah, this is why I'm hesitant to commit. The opening sequence I have in mind is Mara - in her capacity as Emperor's Hand - tracking down and killing a Jedi survivor of Order 66 who has emerged from hiding in the aftermath of the Battle of Endor, believing that the Empire is defeated and the danger passed. While I could explain this in a crawl, I think that actually showing it would not only be visually cooler but serve as an effective introduction to who Mara is at the start of the story.

8 minutes ago, Swordy said:

To your second question, I might find it out of character for Ahsoka, personally speaking. I think Mando and Book of Boba have been rightly considerate of Ahsoka’s hesitation a Jedi Order of any kind. Although she isn’t opposed to Luke or the Jedi, I doubt she’d become an official member of a new order. She would instead assume the role of a ronin, as she has in the official Disney canon. I argue she’d still act independently of a Jedi order even if she had a cathartic moment with Anakin’s Force ghost. Just my two cents, though.

I can see that. I really have latched onto her as the only real option for an immediately-recognisable Jedi who isn't Luke, who would be senior enough to be on the Council on merit. Without getting too into the weeds of the story, the idea is that Mara has been catapulted forward twenty years in time, thus never meeting and marrying Luke and therefore changing the future - but she retains her memory of who Luke is. I want another Council member who can comment on the scenario without being involved in it, and while I could use Kyle Katarn or Octa Ramis, or even an entirely made-up Jedi, Ahsoka seems like she would be a cool nod to the Disney-era canon. I wonder if she would be more receptive to an Order built with her principles in mind - to my mind, Luke would naturally seek out the only prominent former Jedi he knows of for advice, and Ahsoka would have an opportunity to fix all the things she saw as wrong with the old Jedi Order from the beginning.

I think ultimately it comes down to the writing though!! I can have Ahsoka on the Council, just as I can start with a cold open before the crawl - it's a question of whether or not I can write it well enough to carry the idea off.

[Murdoch17]

So, anybody watch Skeleton Crew yet?

[CloneCommando99]

16 minutes ago, Murdoch17 said:

So, anybody watch Skeleton Crew yet?

It’s not out until December.

[Murdoch17]

47 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

It’s not out until December.

I thought it was out starting in November? I guess I'm just ahead of myself if you're right!

[Renny The Spaceman]

When's that Detours show coming out, really excited for that, the one star wars thing I might choose to watch

[CloneCommando99]

 

7 minutes ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

When's that Detours show coming out, really excited for that, the one star wars thing I might choose to watch