LEGO Star Wars 2021 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[BrickBob Studpants]

6 minutes ago, macaron35 said:

do you think Lego will release the Bespin Duel outside North America ?

in the past, did they release regional sets only or did they release a set in a region first before the rest of the world later ?

No. It’s a (former) convention exclusive, there’s no way it’ll show up anywhere else  And there’s no precedent here since it’s the first time SDCC has been cancelled

[Redroe]

11 hours ago, Kim-Kwang-Seok said:

another question: do you guys and gals think Lego would updated the Mando helmet? Since it's missing the "comb" at the top and is quite minimalistic

I think the mold is fairly well perfect, all it needs is some black and silver printing for the comb. Its the plainest printing of any mando helmet so far. I can see it could have been based on concept for the first release, but they should undoubtedly have revisited it for the Razor Crest and if they don't update it for the 2021 set I will riot.

[lego_guyon02]

27 minutes ago, Redroe said:

I think the mold is fairly well perfect, all it needs is some black and silver printing for the comb. Its the plainest printing of any mando helmet so far. I can see it could have been based on concept for the first release, but they should undoubtedly have revisited it for the Razor Crest and if they don't update it for the 2021 set I will riot.

Well you know LEGO's motto: ''if it ain't accurate don't fix it''. They'll definetely just reuse the current one.

[Mandalorianknight]

1 hour ago, Redroe said:

I think the mold is fairly well perfect, all it needs is some black and silver printing for the comb. Its the plainest printing of any mando helmet so far. I can see it could have been based on concept for the first release, but they should undoubtedly have revisited it for the Razor Crest and if they don't update it for the 2021 set I will riot.

I agree, the mold is fine, it just needs printing (and to be silver instead of gunmetal)

1 hour ago, Guyon2002 said:

Well you know LEGO's motto: ''if it ain't accurate don't fix it''. They'll definetely just reuse the current one.

Depends. If there's a beskar mando I think the armor (and therefore helmet) will be silver, not the current gunmetal.

[Brikkyy13]

On 10/16/2020 at 12:43 PM, Mandalorianknight said:

same reason there's a new stormtrooper type and TIE every time there's new star wars media: merch.

This is literally the only reason for why the Jawas are grey in The Mandalorian. It’s also why the Millennium Falcon was white in Solo and why the stormtroopers were red in Episode 9. In Disney’s eyes, Star Wars is about making money first (mostly from toys), and everything else second. Sad but true, the mandalorian really is the first Disney era project to put story telling first. The fact that John Favreau had to fight to keep baby yoda off the shelves until this year is proof. 

[Redroe]

2 hours ago, Brikkyy13 said:

In Disney’s eyes, Star Wars is about making money first (mostly from toys), and everything else second. Sad but true, the mandalorian really is the first Disney era project to put story telling first.

Lucas knew what he was doing in the 70's when he took royalties from merch. Well played George. The difference, as you say, is Lucas spent his time getting a wellmade story right first. 

Disney have made a sequel trilogy that was rushed out to cash in on their investment, a prequel to ANH and a solo film (pun intended) about the best loved charachter... yes you can see their ploy pretty clearly.

This is reflected in the sets. Recolours and minor updates of Falcons, X Wings and TIEs. No wonder we afols feel like lego churn out the same stuff year on year. The creative deficit is Disney/lucasfilm's, not Lego's.

I do believe the Sequels will become very poorly represented in future waves because they just don't have the staying power of the OT or even the PT. The Mandalorian will become the flagship of SW. Season 2 will be make or break. I really hope they make.

[lego_guyon02]

3 hours ago, Brikkyy13 said:

In Disney’s eyes, Star Wars is about making money first (mostly from toys), and everything else second. 

Don't go blaming this on Disney only, Star Wars has always been like this. The only reason George didn't kill off Han Solo in RotJ is being scared that it would hurt toy sales 

[Redroe]

I have to say... unboxed my Ponda Baba today and I'm apalled by the torso print. I can't even tell what colour it's meant to be, tan or white. Research makes me think it's tan but it is by far the worst opacity print I've ever got. And this in a high end set.

Also I wonder what makes them decide whether to go with the rubbery head material or hard plastic? I was surprised by Labria being rubber and expected Ponda to be the same but no.

2 hours ago, Guyon2002 said:

Don't go blaming this on Disney only, Star Wars has always been like this. The only reason George didn't kill off Han Solo in RotJ is being scared that it would hurt toy sales 

Agreed but as I said George crafted a good story that was worth making toys of. Would killing Han right after he came out of carbonite have improved RotJ? I doubt it. There are a few ways RotJ can be improved but that ain't one of them in my humble opinion.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Redroe

[lego_guyon02]

11 minutes ago, Redroe said:

I have to say... unboxed my Ponda Baba today and I'm apalled by the torso print. I can't even tell what colour it's meant to be, tan or white. Research makes me think it's tan but it is by far the worst opacity print I've ever got. And this in a high end set.

Most of LEGO's printing has decreased in quality over the last few years, just because it's an expensive set doesn't mean the prints are of a higher quality  That said it's really sad how low LEGO's print quality has fallen over the last few years, especially something like Mercy's faceprint in the Overwatch sets was just plain unacceptable! With LEGO being as expensive as it is we should at least be able to expect the same level of print quality as advertised on the box. 

15 minutes ago, Redroe said:

Agreed but as I said George crafted a good story that was worth making toys of. Would killing Han right after he came out of carbonite have improved RotJ? I doubt it. There are a few ways RotJ can be improved but that ain't one of them in my humble opinion.

It wasn't an example of ways the story could be improved, if we we're going to discuss that we'll never stop  It's just one of the more well known examples of story decisions in Star Wars being driven by toy sales. I'm not saying Disney did everything right with Star Wars but I don't like it when people blame them for doing something that Star Wars has always done.

[TeddytheSpoon]

16 minutes ago, Redroe said:

I have to say... unboxed my Ponda Baba today and I'm apalled by the torso print. I can't even tell what colour it's meant to be, tan or white. Research makes me think it's tan but it is by far the worst opacity print I've ever got. And this in a high end set.

Also I wonder what makes them decide whether to go with the rubbery head material or hard plastic? I was surprised by Labria being rubber and expected Ponda to be the same but no.

Agreed but as I said George crafted a good story that was worth making toys of. Would killing Han right after he came out of carbonite have improved RotJ? I doubt it. There are a few ways RotJ can be improved but that ain't one of them in my humble opinion.

LEGO seems to really struggle with printing on orange for some reason. As for the rubber vs plastic, I imagine it's one of two things: either the figure has features that would be liable to snapping off easily (Labria's horns, Plo Koon's tendrils) or the rubber is easier to get into a mould to make sharper details. Purely speculating though.

Star Wars has always been about merchandising, but I don't think the Disney era has been all bad. Eckhart's Ladder did a good video on this recently where he talked about the new things in Rogue One in comparison with the sequels, and it's almost night and day. Solo and Mandalorian have some cool additions to the universe as well. I do think that Disney+ and the High Republic stuff will lead to the Mouse taking more risks with Star Wars as the financial stakes are slightly lower, which can only be a good thing.

[Redroe]

31 minutes ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

LEGO seems to really struggle with printing on orange for some reason.

Yeah we had a discussion on it recently. But the newest rebel pilot torso seems to have stronger printing than its immediate predecessor, unless i just got one from a good batch (I only have one  of the newest so can't compare). Tan-on-orange is a new one on me, but I am so disappointed to see it so bad. 

33 minutes ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

I do think that Disney+ and the High Republic stuff will lead to the Mouse taking more risks with Star Wars

They took a risk with TLJ and look what happened!

Corporate greed is directly to blame for what seems to be agreed as the failure (not commercially) of Disney's Star Wars. If they had stuck to a single trilogy, properly planned and without the backstage bloodbath over directors, and with a proper production window between films, before going onto spinoffs, we would probably be in a much happier place.

[Mandalorianknight]

8 hours ago, Brikkyy13 said:

This is literally the only reason for why the Jawas are grey in The Mandalorian. It’s also why the Millennium Falcon was white in Solo and why the stormtroopers were red in Episode 9. In Disney’s eyes, Star Wars is about making money first (mostly from toys), and everything else second. Sad but true, the mandalorian really is the first Disney era project to put story telling first. The fact that John Favreau had to fight to keep baby yoda off the shelves until this year is proof. 

That's not new for disney. The ewoks were made to sell toys, so was jar jar, so were many of the beloved clone variations.

3 hours ago, Redroe said:

I have to say... unboxed my Ponda Baba today and I'm apalled by the torso print. I can't even tell what colour it's meant to be, tan or white. Research makes me think it's tan but it is by far the worst opacity print I've ever got. And this in a high end set.

Also I wonder what makes them decide whether to go with the rubbery head material or hard plastic? I was surprised by Labria being rubber and expected Ponda to be the same but no.

It's if there's small, sticky-out bits like labria's horns that could easily break off if it were plastic.

2 hours ago, Redroe said:

They took a risk with TLJ and look what happened!

Corporate greed is directly to blame for what seems to be agreed as the failure (not commercially) of Disney's Star Wars. If they had stuck to a single trilogy, properly planned and without the backstage bloodbath over directors, and with a proper production window between films, before going onto spinoffs, we would probably be in a much happier place.

Actually I think TLJ's story about Luke, Rey, and Kylo was pretty good, it was just the stupid canto bight scenes.

And again, making stuff just to sell toys isn't a disney invention for star wars, it's been around since the beginning. 

[BrickBob Studpants]

According to brickfanatics, the Mandalorian set’s code name is “hero transport”. I think we all now what this means 

[Redroe]

49 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Actually I think TLJ's story about Luke, Rey, and Kylo was pretty good, it was just the stupid canto bight scenes.

And again, making stuff just to sell toys isn't a disney invention for star wars, it's been around since the beginning. 

I like the Luke story also, and Rey and Kylo's development is good. The rest of it really disappointed me. I disliked the political commentary being so to-the-fore, Finn and Poe are left without proper characters in favour of new faces like Rose and Holdo. Snoke's death was a shock moment but it would prove a narrative cul-de-sac (as TROS would prove: grandfather? Really?). Hux is rewritten from a zealot to an idiot, Phasma's part is edited into incoherence and the second act gets totally lost with really odd offbeat comedy from Del Toro.

The good moments of it are really good but the bad moments are really obvious. TROS is less good overall but at least more consistent.

And i know disney didn't start the marketing frenzy over SW, never suggested they did. What I do suggest is that they should have earned their investment back by making a quality product first and not flooding the market with undercooked content.

Ok... PT quality is questionable to say the least but at least it is a story told with conviction.

[BacktoBricks]

48 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said:

According to brickfanatics, the Mandalorian set’s code name is “hero transport”. I think we all now what this means 

A Kaadu. It's got to be. 

[jdubbs]

54 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said:

According to brickfanatics, the Mandalorian set’s code name is “hero transport”. I think we all now what this means 

Don't put too much stock in those code names. There were a few versions of the early price list circulating, with different code names assigned to different set numbers, some of which proved inaccurate. 

[Redroe]

37 minutes ago, BacktoBricks said:

A Kaadu. It's got to be. 

Kaadu vs MTT microfighter for 2022.

Been staring at Momaw Nadon for a while wondering why he doesn't look quite right. Turns out he looks 100% better with nougat arms. Dual molded legs would have been nice too.

Overall I am pleased with the fig selection in the cantina but some big misses. No arm printing on Greedo, some bleed over on some painting, not a dual molded leg in sight. And then Ponda's pink vest.

[MKJoshA]

6 hours ago, Redroe said:

I have to say... unboxed my Ponda Baba today and I'm apalled by the torso print. I can't even tell what colour it's meant to be, tan or white. Research makes me think it's tan but it is by far the worst opacity print I've ever got. And this in a high end set.

I'll gladly take him off your hands 

[T21Typhoon]

19 hours ago, Guyon2002 said:

Well you know LEGO's motto: ''if it ain't accurate don't fix it''. They'll definetely just reuse the current one.

Lego’s decisions on new moulds in this theme confuse me sometimes, like designing a new Stormtrooper helmet but not an updated P2 clone trooper one that can support the various helmet attachments which have been in circulation forever. I concur it’s unlikely we’ll see a new mould for Mando, but the beskar variant should look fantastic as long as they print it correctly and perhaps recolour the helmet and give it some updated printing. 

I’m quite keen to see what the Mandalorian “Hero Ship / Transport” set entails. Figure-wise, Beskar Mando and 1 or 2 other minifigures are my guess. An updated Greef or Cara would be acceptable, but hopefully we’ll see characters not yet produced! The ITT seems like the perfect setting for this set, but I can see Lego reserving a vehicle like that for the £40-50 price point to include more Imperial troopers.

On the topic of SW being driven by merchandise, I never particularly found it to be an issue in the past mainly because of the OT / PT / TCW having such fantastic vehicle designs that you’d want a toy of, and this extends to character designs too. I found the ST to be creatively stagnant in this regard, though that’s purely subjective.

Edited October 23, 2020 by T21Typhoon

[Mandalorianknight]

4 hours ago, Lego-Freak said:

According to brickfanatics, the Mandalorian set’s code name is “hero transport”. I think we all now what this means 

Buildable greef karga moustache.

I hope we still get beskar mando, Ideally it'd be him, cara, and a scout or something.

4 hours ago, Redroe said:

I like the Luke story also, and Rey and Kylo's development is good. The rest of it really disappointed me. I disliked the political commentary being so to-the-fore, Finn and Poe are left without proper characters in favour of new faces like Rose and Holdo. Snoke's death was a shock moment but it would prove a narrative cul-de-sac (as TROS would prove: grandfather? Really?). Hux is rewritten from a zealot to an idiot, Phasma's part is edited into incoherence and the second act gets totally lost with really odd offbeat comedy from Del Toro.

The good moments of it are really good but the bad moments are really obvious. TROS is less good overall but at least more consistent.

I agree with pretty much all of this, though I do think TROS is better overall.

3 hours ago, BacktoBricks said:

A Kaadu. It's got to be. 

No, wait, it's a gonk droid that deploys smaller gonk droids.

[Redroe]

4 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

No, wait, it's a gonk droid that deploys smaller gonk droids.

I'm detecting a certain fondess towards gonk droids in your comments. 2020 has been a good year for you!

2 hours ago, MKJoshA said:

I'll gladly take him off your hands 

You will have to fight past my 501st legion to get to him. Bring it on!

I'm so happy with the figure overall but the printing kills it. Seriously. It detracts from the appearance of the whole figure.

2 hours ago, T21Typhoon said:

updated P2 clone trooper one that can support the various helmet attachments which have been in circulation forever.

I know! Those parts had been around years before they did the current P2 helmet. Totally inexplicable.

[TeddytheSpoon]

7 hours ago, Redroe said:

properly planned and without the backstage bloodbath over directors, and with a proper production window between films

This I think is the root cause of most of the things you mentioned in your later post. For all the stick they get, the prequels were spread over 8 years, were properly planned and had a single creative vision behind them. The sequels were released within four years and with two or three different directions suggested by the directors. The result is what I'm gonna call story whiplash - going one way only to be pulled in another and then back again. They should've done something similar to the Mandalorian IMO and had a Favreau or Filoni in charge of the story, and you can have whatever director you want to give the film its own schtick.

ANYWAY. I like the idea of the hero vehicle being the ITT looking thing from the second trailer. I reckon they could make it fit the $30ish price range well and you could easily have Mando, Greef, Cara and/or a scout trooper in there.

I would also like to lend my support to anything GNK related.

[Redroe]

11 minutes ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

ANYWAY. I like the idea of the hero vehicle being the ITT looking thing from the second trailer. I reckon they could make it fit the $30ish price range well and you could easily have Mando, Greef, Cara and/or a scout trooper in there.

I would also like to lend my support to anything GNK related.

If they release a UCS quadjumper with a GNK droid I'll call it a day and settle down in peace with my collection.

I'd be happy with that vehicle. It has utility in any other setting between Rebels and Mando.

[Kit Figsto]

About the Mando set, I do think given how the other sets for the wave are trending, getting 3-4 figures in a $30 set is very possible.  In the past, if it was a vehicle, I'd guess 3 tops, but I think Mando plus at least two other heroes and some sort of adversary is possible.  Curious to see more details on it.

[Makin Bacon]

Anything to get that new scout trooper in greater circulation is a win in my book