LEGO Star Wars 2021 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[BrickBob Studpants]

Of course it’s going to be a UCS set, what else could it be? MBS sets are obviously location-based 

...Wait, did people really vote for the Gunship expecting MBS levels of minifigs?  Yeah, I’ll display the huge Gunship minifig collection right next to the 20 pilots and rebel troopers we got in the UCS A-Wing and the Stormtrooper battalion that was included in the UCS TIE Fighter  

[Fuppylodders]

I voted for it because I was hoping it'd be ucs, and wanted to see how they achieved it as a ucs design. Figures, sure they'd be nice. But I love the ship itself and am more keen on seeing how they implement ucs proportions/scaling/level of details

[Agent Kallus]

Over on Instant Grandma it's been said that we'll see official pictures of the Jan 2021 wave on November the 19th.

[Redroe]

2 hours ago, Lego-Freak said:

Of course it’s going to be a UCS set, what else could it be? MBS sets are obviously location-based 

...Wait, did people really vote for the Gunship expecting MBS levels of minifigs?  Yeah, I’ll display the huge Gunship minifig collection right next to the 20 pilots and rebel troopers we got in the UCS A-Wing and the Stormtrooper battalion that was included in the UCS TIE Fighter  

I mean, I didn't vote. But we are allowed our preferences right?

The lego website says nothing about them being location based but i see it does differentiate UCS and MBS. It says interior details, play features and functions.

So, the fact they differentiate at all makes it likely that RGS leans heavily into UCS. But the RGS is almost uniquely positioned to bridge the gap a little, and I mean that because of the scale it is. It isn't an enormous capital ship that needs to be scaled down, or a starfighter hugely scaled up. The most similar UCS sets I can think of are Slave 1 which had 4 figures and the Falcon which had 8, and are as close to true figure scale as possible. 8 is as many as the system scale Gunship. The RGS can have advanced techniques but also a TON of features like opening doors, moving/firing ordnance... that are actually more difficult to achieve the larger the thing becomes.

[lego_guyon02]

22 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

Over on Instant Grandma it's been said that we'll see official pictures of the Jan 2021 wave on November the 19th.

Gotta love autocorrect in these situations  

[BrickBob Studpants]

16 minutes ago, Redroe said:

I mean, I didn't vote. But we are allowed our preferences right?

Of course you are. I was making fun of people who went in fully expecting a ton of minifigs, which is just a laughable idea  UCS sets obviously never include the amount of minifigs a regular set at the same price point would, so I don’t see why this should be the first exception. They should be glad that UCS sets include minifigs at all, which is a rather recent development

[BrickBob Studpants]

1 hour ago, Agent Kallus said:

Over on Instant Grandma it's been said that we'll see official pictures of the Jan 2021 wave on November the 19th.

Colour me sceptical since that‘s the exact same date the sets were revealed last year. I think someone‘s just guessing 

[ArrowBricks]

On 11/9/2020 at 12:53 PM, BacktoBricks said:

I’ve gone from not really caring about this wave to it giving me hope that things are really going in a positive direction for Lego SW. I’ve said it before, but 2012-14 seemed like a ‘golden age’ for LSW before the Disney era where decent builds were mixed with great minifigure lineups and both OT and PT got fair coverage. These were the years of Jabba’s palace, sailbarge, gungan sub, Palpatine’s Arrest, Republic Gunship etc. Sadly I only came out of my Dark Age in 2015 so I missed all of these.

Fast forward five years later and I was fully expecting this new X-Wing to only come with Luke and R2 which shows just how expensive the SW line has got where you expect very little for your money. I am very pleased therefore to hear the rumours of both Leia and Dodanna coming in the X-Wing. If it is true, it seems like Lego’s ‘soft reset’ of the SW line might be a very good thing.

My thinking is admittedly going to be skewed by the fact that I favour minifigures over builds when it comes to the SW line, but to me builds can always get more accurate and Lego could continue to increase their prices and produce more intricate models but this is only going to alienate most of their market; neither kids, parents or even a lot of AFOLs could keep up with the prices if they continue to increase.

So scaling back models to a point where they are still perfectly acceptable for both play and display to drop the price is a good compromise. But if Lego is also going to reintroduce decent minifigure counts for the prices then that is even better. That to me would bring then back to the days of decent builds and minifigures for not extortionate prices and all they would have to do then is give the PT fair coverage in the second half of 2021 and they would be back to their sweet spot in my opinion. I’m very eager to find out what minifigures the Shuttle will be coming with because it feels like it could go either way right now, but I really want Lego to include a great lineup to confirm they really are going back to the ‘good old days’.

The only trouble is, I will now probably be buying the X-Wing when before it was an easy pass, but that just proves Lego’s new move is working.

Admins pin this post! It’s excellent. 

The Tie Fighter minifigures do sound a little disappointing granted. Hopefully Leia is new in some way for the X-Wing. 

Edited November 10, 2020 by ArrowBricks

[Redroe]

2 hours ago, Lego-Freak said:

Of course you are. I was making fun of people who went in fully expecting a ton of minifigs, which is just a laughable idea  UCS sets obviously never include the amount of minifigs a regular set at the same price point would, so I don’t see why this should be the first exception. They should be glad that UCS sets include minifigs at all, which is a rather recent development

Yes a ton is rather excessive. I would hope for/expect 8 ish. Two pilots, 6 regular clones. Maybe a commander. Cody?

[MKJoshA]

3 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

Over on Instant Grandma it's been said that we'll see official pictures of the Jan 2021 wave on November the 19th.

 

1 hour ago, Lego-Freak said:

Colour me sceptical since that‘s the exact same date the sets were revealed last year. I think someone‘s just guessing 

Yeah, the 19th is almost certainly not the correct date. More likely the 23rd.

[Kit Figsto]

6 hours ago, Lego-Freak said:

...Wait, did people really vote for the Gunship expecting MBS levels of minifigs?  Yeah, I’ll display the huge Gunship minifig collection right next to the 20 pilots and rebel troopers we got in the UCS A-Wing and the Stormtrooper battalion that was included in the UCS TIE Fighter  

You'd be surprised...

Read either the comments on the voting posts over at Ideas or comments on reddit/youtube/instagram and you've got people expecting literally every single named clone plus like twenty clones.  I think a lot of people just didn't get the fact that this set almost assuredly will not include more than, like, five figures (which is already a lot for a UCS set) and are going to be inevitably disappointed when it doesn't.  

It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Prequel fans, in general, tend to be younger and want to army build or get minifigures (see: the Ahsoka set or the 501st set selling out almost exclusively for the figures included).  UCS sets tend to be large display models without figures.  People complain about no prequel UCS sets, then if this gunship doesn't have a bunch of minifigures, I 100% guarantee that a lot of the crowd championing it (but wanting Rex, Cody, Wolffe, and 15 clones) will absolutely not buy it when it doesn't include those, thus, it sells poorly, and no more prequel UCS sets.

I feel like it would've been more plausible to just wait for a re-release of the system scale gunship (I know people don't think Lego likes the prequels, but it's been 7 years, we're going to get one eventually) which could be Clone Wars based and actually include those figures, at likely a much cheaper price (I can't see that costing much more than $140, whereas a UCS is likely at least $200).

Edited November 10, 2020 by Kit Figsto

[Balrogofmorgoth]

36 minutes ago, Kit Figsto said:

You'd be surprised...

Read either the comments on the voting posts over at Ideas or comments on reddit/youtube/instagram and you've got people expecting literally every single named clone plus like twenty clones.  I think a lot of people just didn't get the fact that this set almost assuredly will not include more than, like, five figures (which is already a lot for a UCS set) and are going to be inevitably disappointed when it doesn't.  

It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Prequel fans, in general, tend to be younger and want to army build or get minifigures (see: the Ahsoka set or the 501st set selling out almost exclusively for the figures included).  UCS sets tend to be large display models without figures.  People complain about no prequel UCS sets, then if this gunship doesn't have a bunch of minifigures, I 100% guarantee that a lot of the crowd championing it (but wanting Rex, Cody, Wolffe, and 15 clones) will absolutely not buy it when it doesn't include those, thus, it sells poorly, and no more prequel UCS sets.

I feel like it would've been more plausible to just wait for a re-release of the system scale gunship (I know people don't think Lego likes the prequels, but it's been 7 years, we're going to get one eventually) which could be Clone Wars based and actually include those figures, at likely a much cheaper price (I can't see that costing much more than $140, whereas a UCS is likely at least $200).

My tastes are spread pretty evenly between the originals and the prequels. I love them both pretty equally. It’s really frustrating when people like ONLY the originals or ONLY the prequels. Like come on, there is so much to love in both. I really want a UCS Gunship (figures or no figures) and hopefully the Nebulon B and TIE Bomber will eventually happen as well because I’d love to get those too (again, figures or no figures). If the whiny “prequel only” kids refuse to buy the Gunship because of ridiculous minifig expectations and ruin the chances of getting more prequel UCS sets, I will not be happy. Granted people also complained about Cloud City, which was honestly the perfect Cloud City set. So whiny “originals only” fans aren’t off the hook.

[Kdapt-Preacher]

4 hours ago, Lego-Freak said:

Of course you are. I was making fun of people who went in fully expecting a ton of minifigs, which is just a laughable idea  UCS sets obviously never include the amount of minifigs a regular set at the same price point would, so I don’t see why this should be the first exception. They should be glad that UCS sets include minifigs at all, which is a rather recent development

I mean, the UCS Sandcrawler had 13 minifigs. And the Republic Dropship with AT-OT, which is pretty much exactly what people are hoping this will be like, had 8. I think the people who want tons of minifigs will be disappointed, but the idea isn’t nearly as ludicrous as you make it out to be. 

[TeddytheSpoon]

Just now, Kdapt-Preacher said:

I mean, the UCS Sandcrawler had 13 minifigs. And the Republic Dropship with AT-OT, which is pretty much exactly what people are hoping this will be like, had 8. I think the people who want tons of minifigs will be disappointed, but the idea isn’t nearly as ludicrous as you make it out to be. 

That was what prompted my earlier comment about D2C sets. To me, a UCS set means a set that is not minifigure scale, comes with a stand and has maybe one or two figures to sit on said stand. While technically UCS sets are D2C be definition, I prefer to define D2C sets as large vehicle playsets, like the Sandcrawler, AT-OT and so on.

The other thing to consider is that LEGO now seems set on having a clearer definition of 'adult' (for want of a better word) sets, with the 18+ stuff being made quite separate from system scale stuff, which seems like it's going to be downscaled anyway. Obviously this could be proved wrong, and woe betide anyone who tries to apply sense to the way LEGO categorise things, so who knows. 

[Kit Figsto]

37 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said:

My tastes are spread pretty evenly between the originals and the prequels. I love them both pretty equally. It’s really frustrating when people like ONLY the originals or ONLY the prequels. Like come on, there is so much to love in both. I really want a UCS Gunship (figures or no figures) and hopefully the Nebulon B and TIE Bomber will eventually happen as well because I’d love to get those too (again, figures or no figures). If the whiny “prequel only” kids refuse to buy the Gunship because of ridiculous minifig expectations and ruin the chances of getting more prequel UCS sets, I will not be happy. Granted people also complained about Cloud City, which was honestly the perfect Cloud City set. So whiny “originals only” fans aren’t off the hook.

That's totally fair and I didn't mean to single out prequel fans since certainly fans of all movies do manage to find issue with sets, whether warranted or not (and believe me, sometimes I totally agree with the complaints, other times I think it's just people complaining for the sake of complaining).  I definitely like both the PT and OT and buy sets from both, though I do tend to skew a bit more towards the OT. 

I do think that there seemed to be a lot of the younger crowd (like 18 and younger) voting on this, since that seems to be the main audience for some of the big LSW youtubers or reddit communities.  First off, when I was that age, I wasn't buying UCS stuff because I didn't have money, the most expensive stuff I could afford was like $100-150, and that was maybe once a year at best.  If there was a $200-250 set, I could've made it work, but that would've been likely one of the only LEGO purchases I made that entire year.  Just from what I've seen being closer to that generation than not and also from lurking in those various comment threads, it really does seem like if this set isn't minifigure-heavy, there will be a decent chunk of people that voted for it that won't buy it.  

 

 

[PreVizsla]

I voted for Gunship for 1 reason and 1 reason only and that is because it was the only prequel set,if the option was jar jar bust or sebulbas podracer i would vote for that too and most likely buy it. We need a change,we are in 10th year of ONLY original trilogy ucs sets(14 sets in a row not including other sets that include plaque). We also didnt get a single non droid prequel figure in advent calendar since 2013,0 prequel brickheadz,all prequel anniversaries ignored,0 +4 prequel sets etc. With gunship i expect Captain Rex or Commander Cody,everything else is just bonus. If i have to choose i would rather have ucs playset than display set even though i dont play with it,but i will buy it if its display too unless it comes with yellow head jedi bob. I really hope this ucs set vote and millions lego will make from AAT set will change something.

[BrickBob Studpants]

23 minutes ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

I mean, the UCS Sandcrawler had 13 minifigs. And the Republic Dropship with AT-OT, which is pretty much exactly what people are hoping this will be like, had 8. I think the people who want tons of minifigs will be disappointed, but the idea isn’t nearly as ludicrous as you make it out to be. 

The Sandcrawler and AT-OT aren‘t UCS sets though  They‘re D2C sets, but not UCS

16 minutes ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

[...] a UCS set means a set that is not minifigure scale, comes with a stand and has maybe one or two figures to sit on said stand.

Exactly.

[jdubbs]

4 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said:

The Sandcrawler and AT-OT aren‘t UCS sets though  They‘re D2C sets, but not UCS

The label on the Sandcrawler box would likely disagree with you. But thank you, as it's been a while since I've been able to punch the "Mindless UCS nomenclature debate" square on my EB Bingo card!

[BrickBob Studpants]

2 minutes ago, jdubbs said:

The label on the Sandcrawler box would likely disagree with you.

Huh... Never noticed that label on there  No wonder they introduced the MBS label afterwards

[BacktoBricks]

10 hours ago, Redroe said:

Now i think on it. Do TLG actually still differentiate between UCs and MBs or does it all come under the umbrella of 18+?

Yes Lego are still using the labels; both the box and instruction manual for 75275 A-wing for instance have Ultimate Collector Series written in the top right hand corner whilst the Mos Eisley Cantina has Master Builder Series written in that same place. Granted visually it's a subtle difference between the two when both have black box arts, but those terms are still being used by Lego.

4 hours ago, ArrowBricks said:

Admins pin this post! It’s excellent. 

Haha thank you, you're too kind. 

[Kdapt-Preacher]

11 minutes ago, Lego-Freak said:

Huh... Never noticed that label on there  No wonder they introduced the MBS label afterwards

And while the AT-OT doesn’t have the UCS label on the box, it was included on the UCS poster LEGO put out back in 2010 or so. The question of what is or isn’t UCS has been beaten to death on these forums, but the point is just that there is precedent for big, showy vehicle display sets coming with lots of figures. 

[storskogen]

I tend to believe Lego may release a set similar to the UCS Slave 1 with few selected minifigures. However, regardless from whether it will be minifig scale or a larger model, the set itself will surely be beautiful and detailed, a considerable step up from the previous play models.

[Falconfan1414]

Unless someone reposted my thing and changed it, a lot of people were asking me about when official pictures could come so I listed out the days they came last year 

[Pablo94]

New Mandalorian set is very likely to include Baby Yoda minifigure. ;) 

[ArrowBricks]

75299 Encounter on Tatooine 276 pcs. 

The Child, BESKAR Mando and a Tusken Raider are included alongside Mando’s swoop bike, a ballista and a Tusken ‘tent’. 

Where is this info? The usual fella’s over on Instagram via Promobricks. 

Edited November 10, 2020 by ArrowBricks