LEGO Star Wars 2021 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[BrickBob Studpants]

42 minutes ago, PreVizsla said:

It is valid. Pollsters can interview 1000 people to measure the views of a nation of 300+ million people, margin of sampling error 3%.

It’s not about the numbers, but the differences between people that register their collections on brickset and people that don’t. A sample needs to be somewhat representative of the population, otherwise you can’t generalise your findings. It’s a common issue when researching motivation for instance, people who participate in a survey may differ in important aspects from people that don’t, creating a sampling bias that threaten the validity of your results. Similarly, AFOLs aren’t representative of the consumers as a whole in their spending habits, which is why it’s tricky to draw any conclusions based on that data alone. It’s part of the big picture, sure, but only a small portion of it

5 minutes ago, Fuppylodders said:

Given the mistake they made, most likely not. Because if they did, they certainly wouldn't have made that mistake. 

Objection, this is mere conjecture  You can be passionate about something and still make mistakes

[Fuppylodders]

23 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Objection, this is mere conjecture  You can be passionate about something and still make mistakes

Haha, yes, it is mere conjecture! 

But, certainly believable given the circumstances! And yes, I do agree with you about making mistakes about something you're passionate about (personal experience agrees with you here) 

But, a mistake on the basic foundation of what a theme (themes) is (are) based on as a whole-is one of those daft mistakes that literally shouldn't happen because it's just absurd. 

An assumption;  the creator of the survey, had someone who had to approve it would further obfuscate the situation on how it could have happened in the first place. So either one person/team made a mistake, or, one person/team made a mistake and another (team leader?) isn't doing their job properly, or, two people (team/team leader) made the mistake. 

 

Then there's the whole bricklink program with the castle. 

Severely underestimating the customer base for that. How could they get that sooo wrong if their market research was done well? Fans knew that'd go fast. Everyone did.

How did they not? 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they know nothing. 

They clearly do. 

But they also do make mistakes, as does everyone. 

As another example, I've worked with an absurd amount of bumbling idiots that don't know what they're doing, but yet it is the work of others that glosses over their bumbling idiocy that enables them to continue. Once they don't get glossed over as they're thrust into the lead position, then bumbling idiocy prevails. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Fuppylodders

[MKJoshA]

I'm going to step in now and say we've gotten off topic. The discussion is relevant discussion. Just not on track with what we're supposed to be talking about in this thread, 2021 sets. Please feel free to continue discussing TLG's motives and moves in a different, more appropriate thread. You can find the list in my signature below

[Fuppylodders]

Apologies, I've gone and done what I dislike! 

@BrickBob Studpants

Feel free to continue in a pm :) 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Fuppylodders

[BrickBob Studpants]

Yeah, we got carried away a bit 

Let’s hope for the promised set lists to show up soon to get us back on topic!

…even though I have an inkling the discussion will revert right back to where we were depending on the contents of said list 

[The Stud]

Ideally, the new wave will have a nice balance between everything. That’s what I loved so much about the Summer 2020 wave, fans of each trilogy got a few sets, fans of The Clone Wars got two sets, Mandalorian fans got the Razor Crest and fans of the more obscure stuff even got a Galaxy’s Edge set. Of course, it’s not possible to please everybody but balanced waves are great at not alienating anybody.

And hopefully we got more info on the AT-AT soon too, as I would like to know if there’s a Veers Watch minifig as well. 

[BrickBob Studpants]

26 minutes ago, The Stud said:

Ideally, the new wave will have a nice balance between everything. That’s what I loved so much about the Summer 2020 wave, fans of each trilogy got a few sets, fans of The Clone Wars got two sets, Mandalorian fans got the Razor Crest and fans of the more obscure stuff even got a Galaxy’s Edge set. Of course, it’s not possible to please everybody but balanced waves are great at not alienating anybody.

Couldn't agree more. The more varied the line-up, the better  Let's hope then that the 1HY 2022 offerings are as far removed from the 1HY 2021 sets as possible in terms of set choices. Remakes are inevitable, but they could at least give us some interesting minifigs to make up for that, which the 1HY 2021 sets utterly failed to do. Oh, and the glorious return of the BPs of course. And please, for the sake of everything that is holy, no Snowspeeder or Landspeeder  Not sure if they're able to resist the urge though 

[PreVizsla]

35 minutes ago, The Stud said:

Ideally, the new wave will have a nice balance between everything.

Hope so, i don't want to wait till August of next year to buy something again.

Also October first there is a new Star Wars LEGO special on Disney + and one of the character there is someone from this year's set 

Spoiler

NI-L8 Protocol Droid from 2021 Tie Fighter

 

[AIex]

27 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

And please, for the sake of everything that is holy, no Snowspeeder or Landspeeder

honestly, despite how repetitive they have become and how much everyone memes on them, I would gladly take either of these if they finally made new, accurate cockpit windscreens for them

[Prometheus87]

23 minutes ago, AIex said:

honestly, despite how repetitive they have become and how much everyone memes on them, I would gladly take either of these if they finally made new, accurate cockpit windscreens for them

I'm surprised they haven't tried a UCS Landspeeder yet. 2 Figures - common-style Luke and C-3PO

[Utinni Utinni]

33 minutes ago, Prometheus87 said:

I'm surprised they haven't tried a UCS Landspeeder yet. 2 Figures - common-style Luke and C-3PO

Probably Qui-Gon and an TC-14. Let's be honest, all people remember from that scene is a poncho and a droid.

[Kim-Kwang-Seok]

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Couldn't agree more. The more varied the line-up, the better  Let's hope then that the 1HY 2022 offerings are as far removed from the 1HY 2021 sets as possible in terms of set choices. Remakes are inevitable, but they could at least give us some interesting minifigs to make up for that, which the 1HY 2021 sets utterly failed to do. Oh, and the glorious return of the BPs of course. And please, for the sake of everything that is holy, no Snowspeeder or Landspeeder  Not sure if they're able to resist the urge though 

Do you think designers (aka artists) really wanna do the same type of snowspeeder plus 4 new parts and some minor improvemenets again? I figure it's just what they are allowed and expected of to do: a vehicle that sells always, that has certain features and a certain elegance - therefore it must also keep this size (aka oversized and more expensive). Figures I guess are self explainatory: Luke, Luke, Luke, Han, Stormtroopers.

..it's a shame they barely do any Leia or Padme - but also there I assume there are reasons. Witth the relaunch of Harry Potter a few years ago designers had the luxury to put in a random hufflepuff student. With SW they gave us the old General guy (Dondnovo or something) from the rebellion in the X-Wing set - that's already something. Do you think this is for the general audience or already fan service for the hardcore collectors?

I think most sets just aren't for "us" which isn't also too bad. I wouldn't have money to get any rerelease

[Kit Figsto]

7 hours ago, Fuppylodders said:

Just because they're a company to make money, does not in the slightest form mean they're infallible to making big blinding mistakes now and then because their thought process just doesn't understand their own product as much as hardcore fans do, because, ultimately, you're right, they're wanting to make money so that's where their thought process lies. 

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People are the biggest cause of mistakes/errors/misunderstanding. So they can-and *will* happen. And it is also possible for a company to start getting dislocated from its *loyal* fans (not the average ones). 

Just one last point on this, you're entirely correct here and I felt I may have come off too strong in my previous comment.  I completely agree that they're capable of mistakes and I wish I'd made that more clear.  I think I just fall closer to the "Lego doesn't screw up nearly as much as people say they do" camp as opposed to the "Lego has no idea what they're doing" camp.  I think my position is that they could do a better job of appealing to the "hardcore fan" demographic when it comes to stuff like interviews or press releases, and even with some nostalgia-based sets, but they do a very good job (in general) of catering to the casual fan demographic, who, frankly, doesn't care about press releases and how a set reveal video was staged or whatever. 

Where I think the disconnect lies is that I refuse to believe that they're intentionally withholding prequel sets because (a) they either don't know that a demand exists, or (b) because of a hidden agenda against the prequels.  I'm not saying that you (or anyone on this board) are accusing Lego of doing either of those, but I have seen both of these sentiments on other parts of the internet.

Anyway, on the discussion of 2022 sets, do we know when the set list leaked last year?  It felt quite a bit later than this time, I feel like it was maybe more in September?  I know we did get a reveal of Trouble on Tatooine fairly early, shortly after the first episode of Mando S2 premiered, if I remember right.  I'm all for it if it leaks earlier, but it seemed like right around now was when we first figured out that the MBS Cantina was coming.  Hopefully at least we'll get some news on the AT-AT soon!

[BrickBob Studpants]

1 hour ago, Kim-Kwang-Seok said:

Do you think designers (aka artists) really wanna do the same type of snowspeeder plus 4 new parts and some minor improvemenets again?

No, but Land- and Snowspeeders tend to get remade in rather quick succession, even more so than other popular sets  I agree with @Alex though, I wouldn't mind too much if new windshield pieces were involved. Then again, they could release the blue Landspeeder from Mando instead 

24 minutes ago, Kit Figsto said:

Anyway, on the discussion of 2022 sets, do we know when the set list leaked last year?  It felt quite a bit later than this time, I feel like it was maybe more in September?

I think you're right, it was indeed a bit later last year, but that was unusually late as opposed to this year being unusually early  Set lists popping up in August has always been the norm, with a few outliers in either direction (1HY 2016 being so ridiculously early that a lot of people, myself included, completely dismissed the list at first)

 

[Brickdoctor]

To reiterate MKJoshA's post above, let's not delve into wishlists, please. Criticizing the composition of the 2021 sets is fine (although my personal impression is that it has already been beat to death in the past couple weeks), but hopes and speculation about future sets is off-topic.

I'd also like to give a friendly reminder that not everything is a conspiracy -- just because something doesn't turn out the way you wanted doesn't mean that there's some conscious and concerted effort against you in particular. There's no need to baselessly accuse EB's members or TLG's designers of some personal attack on your demographic.

[Mandalorianknight]

5 hours ago, PreVizsla said:

Also October first there is a new Star Wars LEGO special on Disney + and one of the character there is someone from this year's set 

  Reveal hidden contents

NI-L8 Protocol Droid from 2021 Tie Fighter

 

This is actually really interesting, as I had originally assumed they just slapped a name on the imperial protocol droid, but as it turns out it's the first lego-specific star wars minifigure in 7 years.

6 hours ago, The Stud said:

And hopefully we got more info on the AT-AT soon too, as I would like to know if there’s a Veers Watch minifig as well. 

putting a veers watch-ish face print on a snowtrooper is all I'm asking for!  Ofc it's never going to happen, as it's a crazy request, but imagine if they did!

5 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Couldn't agree more. The more varied the line-up, the better  Let's hope then that the 1HY 2022 offerings are as far removed from the 1HY 2021 sets as possible in terms of set choices. Remakes are inevitable, but they could at least give us some interesting minifigs to make up for that, which the 1HY 2021 sets utterly failed to do. Oh, and the glorious return of the BPs of course. And please, for the sake of everything that is holy, no Snowspeeder or Landspeeder  Not sure if they're able to resist the urge though 

I agree with almost all of this...but...don't kill me... I don't own a rebel snowspeeder anymore....

[hondohnaka]

So. Uh. Lego refunded my order. It still shows up as in warehouse on my lego.com account, but the withdrawal no longer shows up on my bank account. This is going to be interesting 

25 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I agree with almost all of this...but...don't kill me... I don't own a rebel snowspeeder anymore....

I MOCd one but tbh...yeah I wouldn't mind a new well-designed snowspeeder that isn't a 4+ set. 

[ArrowBricks]

I am assuming a set list released recently is fake? The one that has Duel on Geonosis, Silver Angel, two battle packs etc? 

[PsychoBuilder]

I’m not 100% sure it’s real, but it appears a Jar Jar brick head has leaked and it is horrifyingly creepy.

[Clone OPatra]

1 minute ago, Brickroll said:

I’m not 100% sure it’s real, but it appears a Jar Jar brick head has leaked and it is horrifyingly creepy.

That's fake too and has been around for quite a while.

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, ArrowBricks said:

I am assuming a set list released recently is fake? The one that has Duel on Geonosis, Silver Angel, two battle packs etc? 

 

9 minutes ago, Brickroll said:

I’m not 100% sure it’s real, but it appears a Jar Jar brick head has leaked and it is horrifyingly creepy.

 

both fake

[PsychoBuilder]

Okay, but I stand by the creepiness.

[kidtheboss611]

3 hours ago, Brickroll said:

I’m not 100% sure it’s real, but it appears a Jar Jar brick head has leaked and it is horrifyingly creepy.

I think that image is fake but I thought it was true that the 150 brickheadz was SW and Jar-Jar. I thought it was confirmed by the insta Lego leak accounts. 

[Brikkyy13]

3 hours ago, kidtheboss611 said:

I think that image is fake but I thought it was true that the 150 brickheadz was SW and Jar-Jar. I thought it was confirmed by the insta Lego leak accounts. 

I know MandR tried to strongarm the vote to get Jar Jar so it wouldn’t surprise me if Jar Jar is the 150th brickheadz but we just established that it’s fake. 

[BrickBob Studpants]

3 hours ago, kidtheboss611 said:

I think that image is fake but I thought it was true that the 150 brickheadz was SW and Jar-Jar. I thought it was confirmed by the insta Lego leak accounts. 

It’s SW-themed, that much is certain, because the results of the vote were officially announced. The specific character however is currently unknown, at least to my knowledge  Personally, I hope it’s Obi-Wan, since he’s the most important character that’s still missing in Brickhead form (the runner-ups being Padmé and The Senate)